(08-14-2011 04:46 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 04:43 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 04:32 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 03:51 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  For the record the Cracker Barrel incident happened in 1991... ancient history. I checked to see if anything more recent, nothing, at least using google. Funny thing, a general comment about service at a Cracker Barrel in MD got a Gay Agenda response, "This is the same company that fires Gay Employees" that response had nothing to do with the service problem.

For the record I ate at Cracker Barrel a few weeks ago and it was clear our waiter was gay. At least to anyone whose gaydar wasn't functioning on batteries about to go dead.

and....One of the best employees in my local WM is openly gay and is loved by everyone in the community because he is so friendly and helpful. My mom will always go to his register to check out because of his polite and cordial manner. He also does not throw your damn groceries around like he is packing rocks. That sh!t pisses Seniors off like hell.

He was a terrific waiter. I didn't put that to say he was bad at his job, just that Cracker Barrel doesn't appear to be discriminating as some on here want to have you believe.

Cracker Barrel would probably take exception if he said Hi, I'm (name) I'll be your Openly Gay server today. If he does his job and doesn't start flamming about it, no one will probably care.

When our FSO and second in command, a lesbian and retired warrant officer, retires, my company may very well be engulfed into our parent company. There is literally no one in the office that can do the job she does, and build the contacts and experience she has in a short amount of time. It would take years. She's a subject matter expert for the entire Dep't of Defense and works her ass off on getting us new contracts. The woman is a f'n genius.

As for the civil union issue, I have no problem with it if the government is going to refuse to get out of our personal lives and realize we're not their serfs and don't need their permission.

(08-14-2011 01:44 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 12:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 08:43 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 08:26 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 12:13 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Tom loses all cred with this assertion. You simply can not fire anyone without serious repercussions for anything other than job performance. I have been a supervisor for over 25 years and have fired easily over a hundred employees. Even in NC...which is a right to work state...you MUST have evidence of poor work performance to fire someone. You can do it ..but...you risk getting hauled in front of the EOC. Take my word for it...YOU BETTER HAVE YOUR SH!T TOGETHER if you are dragged before the EOC for a hearing. I have....and it is not fun.

Not only law, but there would be such protests if someone were fired for being gay the business involved would have to offer some type of "peace offering" to the gay community.

Maybe Tom is referring to Cracker Barrel or Chic-fil-a both of which have evangelical roots. To those businesses if they are willing to give up income from gay patrons it is their choice. But even these companies don't fire people for being gay, it's when the flames start to burn and a gay employee wants to make a political statement, more or less, again pushing the GAY AGENDA, they may be fired because the flaming GAY AGENDA is definitely not in keeping with these companies image.

On a side note...I have supervised several non hetero males in the last 25 years of work. I have never had a problem surface out of any of them and they were some of the best employees I ever had. I have an 100% male workforce and to my knowledge none of them ever had any problem with these guys either. I'm sure there has been instances all over the country of mistreatment of gays in the workplace...but...I bet they are not as widespread as Tom would lead us to believe. Most companies have policies against harassment in workplace. To do otherwise is foolish in our litigious paradigm. Tom's complaints about discrimination in the workplace really do not hold water. There are laws on the books to address this everywhere.

2 of the largest three companies in the USA discriminate against Gay persons. They are ExxonMobil and WalMart.

How? By not offering same sex couples benefits?

By not paying a Gay employee the same in wages and benefits as a straight worker doing the exact same work. Benefits ARE part of a compensation package.

ExxonMobil actually REMOVED employment protections from their policies and has been fighting shareholder attempts to reinstate it. And cancelled domestic partnership benefits for Gays.

(08-14-2011 03:40 PM)Paul M Wrote:  His whole shtick is that they don't give benefits to a man's boyfriend thus, not equal pay to a married man. Of course he should be comparing single men of straight or gay orientation. They are treated equally as neither get benefits for their girlfriends/boyfriends.

Its not a schtick...Its EQUAL COMPENSATION for EQUAL WORK.

(08-14-2011 04:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  By not paying a Gay employee the same in wages and benefits as a straight worker doing the exact same work. Benefits ARE part of a compensation package.

ExxonMobil actually REMOVED employment protections from their policies and has been fighting shareholder attempts to reinstate it. And cancelled domestic partnership benefits for Gays.

Is there any proof of either of these assertions?

(08-14-2011 12:28 PM)Rebel Wrote:  BTW, I don't live in Augusta. I live in Evans. There is a difference.

Ok..please let me know about the legislative protections that Gay people have in Evans Georgia against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. You may quote Federal, State, County or Municipal Legislation.

I think that you'll find that your prior assertion that it is ILLEGAL to fire someone because they are Gay is not correct.

A straight worker doesn't get benefits for his girlfriend. He gets the same pay as a gay doing the exact same work. EQUAL COMPENSATION for EQUAL WORK.

(08-14-2011 04:57 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 04:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  By not paying a Gay employee the same in wages and benefits as a straight worker doing the exact same work. Benefits ARE part of a compensation package.

ExxonMobil actually REMOVED employment protections from their policies and has been fighting shareholder attempts to reinstate it. And cancelled domestic partnership benefits for Gays.

Is there any proof of either of these assertions?

http://jaysays.com/2010/05/exxonmobil/ Here's one. Just stick ExxonMobil and Gay in the Google. You'll get hundreds of articles about ExxonMobil's discrimination against Gay persons.

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/11/07/16449

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries...gays_N.htm

Here's a recent case of discrimination from the public sector. http://www.towleroad.com/2010/10/jail-op...e-a-f.html (In this case, the state USED the absence of any non-discrimination laws covering sexual orientation to quash a lawsuit - in other words the state said...we can fire employees for being Gay).

There are similar cases pending in Collin County Texas.

And this is just the overt discrimination. How about the Fortune 500 company that allots 80% of their executive level recruits at "Universities" where Gay persons cannot be students?

(08-14-2011 05:01 PM)Paul M Wrote:  A straight worker doesn't get benefits for his girlfriend. He gets the same pay as a gay doing the exact same work. EQUAL COMPENSATION for EQUAL WORK.

So if that company decides to call a Gay man's husband their "boyfriend" is not discrimination in your eyes? Your argument only works if the Gay couple CAN get married to each other and retrieve those benefits.

You realize that you are arguing for unequal compensation for equal work.

(08-14-2011 04:51 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 04:46 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 04:43 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 04:32 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 03:51 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  For the record the Cracker Barrel incident happened in 1991... ancient history. I checked to see if anything more recent, nothing, at least using google. Funny thing, a general comment about service at a Cracker Barrel in MD got a Gay Agenda response, "This is the same company that fires Gay Employees" that response had nothing to do with the service problem.

For the record I ate at Cracker Barrel a few weeks ago and it was clear our waiter was gay. At least to anyone whose gaydar wasn't functioning on batteries about to go dead.

and....One of the best employees in my local WM is openly gay and is loved by everyone in the community because he is so friendly and helpful. My mom will always go to his register to check out because of his polite and cordial manner. He also does not throw your damn groceries around like he is packing rocks. That sh!t pisses Seniors off like hell.

He was a terrific waiter. I didn't put that to say he was bad at his job, just that Cracker Barrel doesn't appear to be discriminating as some on here want to have you believe.

Cracker Barrel would probably take exception if he said Hi, I'm (name) I'll be your Openly Gay server today. If he does his job and doesn't start flamming about it, no one will probably care.

Cracker Barrel was forced by its' shareholders to implement non-discrimination policies after 2005. The fired employee has never been compensated by hateful bigots at Cracker Barrel.

(08-14-2011 04:58 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 12:28 PM)Rebel Wrote:  BTW, I don't live in Augusta. I live in Evans. There is a difference.

Ok..please let me know about the legislative protections that Gay people have in Evans Georgia against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. You may quote Federal, State, County or Municipal Legislation.

I think that you'll find that your prior assertion that it is ILLEGAL to fire someone because they are Gay is not correct.

You aren't special.

(08-14-2011 05:14 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 05:01 PM)Paul M Wrote:  A straight worker doesn't get benefits for his girlfriend. He gets the same pay as a gay doing the exact same work. EQUAL COMPENSATION for EQUAL WORK.

So if that company decides to call a Gay man's husband their "boyfriend" is not discrimination in your eyes? Your argument only works if the Gay couple CAN get married to each other and retrieve those benefits.

You realize that you are arguing for unequal compensation for equal work.

I don't care about equal pay for equal work. An employer can, or should be able to, pay any employee whatever he chooses. Two companies can pay different wages for the same work. One company itself should be able to pay depending on time on job, experience, any number of criteria they so choose.

(08-14-2011 05:16 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 04:51 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 04:46 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 04:43 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-14-2011 04:32 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  For the record I ate at Cracker Barrel a few weeks ago and it was clear our waiter was gay. At least to anyone whose gaydar wasn't functioning on batteries about to go dead.

and....One of the best employees in my local WM is openly gay and is loved by everyone in the community because he is so friendly and helpful. My mom will always go to his register to check out because of his polite and cordial manner. He also does not throw your damn groceries around like he is packing rocks. That sh!t pisses Seniors off like hell.

He was a terrific waiter. I didn't put that to say he was bad at his job, just that Cracker Barrel doesn't appear to be discriminating as some on here want to have you believe.

Cracker Barrel would probably take exception if he said Hi, I'm (name) I'll be your Openly Gay server today. If he does his job and doesn't start flamming about it, no one will probably care.

Cracker Barrel was forced by its' shareholders to implement non-discrimination policies after 2005. The fired employee has never been compensated by hateful bigots at Cracker Barrel.

Interesting, Homosexuals that embrace the GAY AGENDA despise evangelicals but this open hatred is called open-minded, progressive, free thinker. Evangelicals or anyone for that matter who does not give 100% support to the GAY AGENDA is a bigot.

Go to San Fran. See how you're treated by the liberals there as a conservative. Would I be protected, Tom?

Somehow I doubt it.

Texas is a right to work state. Employers don't need to state a reason for cutting someone loose. Just as you don't have to give a reason why you are quitting. With larger co. HR dept. Has the final oversight. What's the beef here?

(08-14-2011 05:27 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Go to San Fran. See how you're treated by the liberals there as a conservative. Would I be protected, Tom?

Somehow I doubt it.

Tom doesn't mention lots of companies ban religious activities and have a PINK CROSS groups that identify group leaders (with pink crosses in their office) that gays can report any behavior especially religious that is offensive. Employees that have complaints against them can either take sensitivity training (re-education) or be fired. Many companies have employee afinity groups including GLTG which have a PRIDE MONTH. No Christian pride month at any publicly traded company I know of. So why one for Gay Lesbian and Transgendered?

Also a North Carolina company took discipline against an employee for sending a co-worker, and personal friend, out on medical leave an e-mail from their office e-mail saying they were sorry to hear about their illness and would be praying for them. Said company found the e-mail using their security software that filters for key words. Nice eh?

Just a bunch of queens who want to be placed on a pedestal. "Treat us special, because we are".

Being gay means you're in a protected class, being straight gets you nothing. Nah, I'm not discriminated against.

(08-14-2011 05:53 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Being gay means you're in a protected class, being straight gets you nothing. Nah, I'm not discriminated against.

I've said it before and I'll say it again there is NO such thing as a Hate Crime, ONLY a crime. It is a crime to Kill, beat to a bloody pulp, or otherwise harm any individual. If a jurisdiction has a pattern of failing to convict then a mandatory change of venue for all similar cases should be required for a period of time. Hate Crimes laws ignores the Double Jeopardy law and gives the protected classes two opportunities to exact "justice".

Are hate crimes laws applied objectively? Ask Reginald Denny the WHITE truck driver beaten by the angry mob in LA.

(08-14-2011 05:53 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Being gay means you're in a protected class, being straight gets you nothing. Nah, I'm not discriminated against.

Sexual orientation isn't a federally protected class. In some areas and socially, sure it is. People will largely rise up against an employer for discriminating based upon orientation.

Also, "gay" isn't a proper noun, Tom. Stop capitalizing it.