(07-05-2011 08:20 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-04-2011 09:31 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(07-04-2011 09:25 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I don't think of Rahm Emanuel as a "far left socialist". I think of him as a typical urban-liberal Democrat, which is to the right of "far-left socialism" (and to the right of Barack Obama, too), but much to the left of (for lack of a better term) "Blue Dog-ism". If some Tea Party-types have expressed approval of some of his decisions as Mayor, it is probably because they expected him to be as bad as Obama himself.

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As to Rick Perry:

1. Craving attention and wanting to undermine the candidacy of Mitt Romney are not mutually-exclusive traits.

2. If the local media in Austin -- including the alternatives, not just the American-Statesman -- actually thinks Rick Perry is a familiar face in the gay-bar scene, or is a closeted homo, or anything similar to that, I do not believe they would just sit on that information month after month, year after year (Perry has held statewide office in Texas continually for more than 20 years). But if Perry really is in that position, it would be incredibly reckless and stupid for him to try and run for president.

He is. I have personally seen him multiple times at Rain down in the Austin Warehouse district. I would assume that the Statesman and the Austin Chronicle know about him since most of the gay scene in Austin does.

I find this pretty hard to believe. If a Republican governor is out trolling gay bars, someone would be on it like a pitbull on a poodle. It's just too big a story.

To believe that would be to believe that Perry has some leverage over the Austin media that defies belief. This ain't Kennedy and the Mayflower Hotel. This is the 21st century, where every jackleg on the street has a smart phone and a youtube account.

you can believe what you want. Doesn't bother me either way.

(07-05-2011 08:45 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:20 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-04-2011 09:31 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(07-04-2011 09:25 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I don't think of Rahm Emanuel as a "far left socialist". I think of him as a typical urban-liberal Democrat, which is to the right of "far-left socialism" (and to the right of Barack Obama, too), but much to the left of (for lack of a better term) "Blue Dog-ism". If some Tea Party-types have expressed approval of some of his decisions as Mayor, it is probably because they expected him to be as bad as Obama himself.

....................

As to Rick Perry:

1. Craving attention and wanting to undermine the candidacy of Mitt Romney are not mutually-exclusive traits.

2. If the local media in Austin -- including the alternatives, not just the American-Statesman -- actually thinks Rick Perry is a familiar face in the gay-bar scene, or is a closeted homo, or anything similar to that, I do not believe they would just sit on that information month after month, year after year (Perry has held statewide office in Texas continually for more than 20 years). But if Perry really is in that position, it would be incredibly reckless and stupid for him to try and run for president.

He is. I have personally seen him multiple times at Rain down in the Austin Warehouse district. I would assume that the Statesman and the Austin Chronicle know about him since most of the gay scene in Austin does.

I find this pretty hard to believe. If a Republican governor is out trolling gay bars, someone would be on it like a pitbull on a poodle. It's just too big a story.

To believe that would be to believe that Perry has some leverage over the Austin media that defies belief. This ain't Kennedy and the Mayflower Hotel. This is the 21st century, where every jackleg on the street has a smart phone and a youtube account.

you can believe what you want. Doesn't bother me either way.

I'm not busting your chops. I'm just saying that, to this disinterested observer, this is pretty out there. I'll go further and say that if our chairs were reversed, you wouldn't believe me, either.

Understand though, that my disbelief isn't that Perry could be up to shenanigans, but that it could be so widely known, and still kept under wraps for a long time.

(07-05-2011 08:49 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:45 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:20 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-04-2011 09:31 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(07-04-2011 09:25 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I don't think of Rahm Emanuel as a "far left socialist". I think of him as a typical urban-liberal Democrat, which is to the right of "far-left socialism" (and to the right of Barack Obama, too), but much to the left of (for lack of a better term) "Blue Dog-ism". If some Tea Party-types have expressed approval of some of his decisions as Mayor, it is probably because they expected him to be as bad as Obama himself.

....................

As to Rick Perry:

1. Craving attention and wanting to undermine the candidacy of Mitt Romney are not mutually-exclusive traits.

2. If the local media in Austin -- including the alternatives, not just the American-Statesman -- actually thinks Rick Perry is a familiar face in the gay-bar scene, or is a closeted homo, or anything similar to that, I do not believe they would just sit on that information month after month, year after year (Perry has held statewide office in Texas continually for more than 20 years). But if Perry really is in that position, it would be incredibly reckless and stupid for him to try and run for president.

He is. I have personally seen him multiple times at Rain down in the Austin Warehouse district. I would assume that the Statesman and the Austin Chronicle know about him since most of the gay scene in Austin does.

I find this pretty hard to believe. If a Republican governor is out trolling gay bars, someone would be on it like a pitbull on a poodle. It's just too big a story.

To believe that would be to believe that Perry has some leverage over the Austin media that defies belief. This ain't Kennedy and the Mayflower Hotel. This is the 21st century, where every jackleg on the street has a smart phone and a youtube account.

you can believe what you want. Doesn't bother me either way.

I'm not busting your chops. I'm just saying that, to this disinterested observer, this is pretty out there. I'll go further and say that if our chairs were reversed, you wouldn't believe me, either.

probably not. Even to us that that have seen these things or heard the rumors, it makes no sense. It makes even less sense that he is flirting with a presidential run.

Note that this is all at the rumor stage. But the rumors are pretty persistent. It is a very, very strange story if true. I've heard the rumors from sources that I trust, and I still don't know whether I believe them or not. But the rumors are out there, and they are persistent. Is there fire under all the smoke? Who knows?

(07-05-2011 08:49 AM)Smaug Wrote:  my disbelief isn't that Perry could be up to shenanigans, but that it could be so widely known, and still kept under wraps for a long time.

+1

What's the deal with Newt? Is it his ego that has everyone avoiding him? Or does he want to run on positions that are unlikely to get him elected (regardless of whether or not they make sense), thus no one wants to campaign for him?

Newt seems to want to have a life and run at the same time. That hasn't been done in 40 years or more. No one is taking that approach seriously.

Some of his stances are a bit odd as well.

That said, a Hillary/Newt ticket would be unstoppable.

(07-05-2011 08:20 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-04-2011 09:31 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(07-04-2011 09:25 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I don't think of Rahm Emanuel as a "far left socialist". I think of him as a typical urban-liberal Democrat, which is to the right of "far-left socialism" (and to the right of Barack Obama, too), but much to the left of (for lack of a better term) "Blue Dog-ism". If some Tea Party-types have expressed approval of some of his decisions as Mayor, it is probably because they expected him to be as bad as Obama himself.

....................

As to Rick Perry:

1. Craving attention and wanting to undermine the candidacy of Mitt Romney are not mutually-exclusive traits.

2. If the local media in Austin -- including the alternatives, not just the American-Statesman -- actually thinks Rick Perry is a familiar face in the gay-bar scene, or is a closeted homo, or anything similar to that, I do not believe they would just sit on that information month after month, year after year (Perry has held statewide office in Texas continually for more than 20 years). But if Perry really is in that position, it would be incredibly reckless and stupid for him to try and run for president.

He is. I have personally seen him multiple times at Rain down in the Austin Warehouse district. I would assume that the Statesman and the Austin Chronicle know about him since most of the gay scene in Austin does.

I find this pretty hard to believe. If a Republican governor is out trolling gay bars, someone would be on it like a pitbull on a poodle. It's just too big a story.

To believe that would be to believe that Perry has some leverage over the Austin media that defies belief. This ain't Kennedy and the Mayflower Hotel. This is the 21st century, where every jackleg on the street has a smart phone and a youtube account.

Don't underestimate his Bilderberg buddies.

(07-05-2011 11:04 AM)Claw Wrote:  Newt seems to want to have a life and run at the same time. That hasn't been done in 40 years or more. No one is taking that approach seriously.

Some of his stances are a bit odd as well.

That said, a Hillary/Newt ticket would be unstoppable.

It's a shame, really, how it is now. Personally, I just want to know someone's stance on the issues. I don't expect them to show up on my front doorstep and shake my hand. But that's just me.

(07-05-2011 11:25 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:20 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-04-2011 09:31 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(07-04-2011 09:25 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I don't think of Rahm Emanuel as a "far left socialist". I think of him as a typical urban-liberal Democrat, which is to the right of "far-left socialism" (and to the right of Barack Obama, too), but much to the left of (for lack of a better term) "Blue Dog-ism". If some Tea Party-types have expressed approval of some of his decisions as Mayor, it is probably because they expected him to be as bad as Obama himself.

....................

As to Rick Perry:

1. Craving attention and wanting to undermine the candidacy of Mitt Romney are not mutually-exclusive traits.

2. If the local media in Austin -- including the alternatives, not just the American-Statesman -- actually thinks Rick Perry is a familiar face in the gay-bar scene, or is a closeted homo, or anything similar to that, I do not believe they would just sit on that information month after month, year after year (Perry has held statewide office in Texas continually for more than 20 years). But if Perry really is in that position, it would be incredibly reckless and stupid for him to try and run for president.

He is. I have personally seen him multiple times at Rain down in the Austin Warehouse district. I would assume that the Statesman and the Austin Chronicle know about him since most of the gay scene in Austin does.

I find this pretty hard to believe. If a Republican governor is out trolling gay bars, someone would be on it like a pitbull on a poodle. It's just too big a story.

To believe that would be to believe that Perry has some leverage over the Austin media that defies belief. This ain't Kennedy and the Mayflower Hotel. This is the 21st century, where every jackleg on the street has a smart phone and a youtube account.

Don't underestimate his Bilderberg buddies.

You can't put a stopper in the Internet bottle. This thread is proof.

(07-05-2011 11:27 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 11:25 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:20 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-04-2011 09:31 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(07-04-2011 09:25 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I don't think of Rahm Emanuel as a "far left socialist". I think of him as a typical urban-liberal Democrat, which is to the right of "far-left socialism" (and to the right of Barack Obama, too), but much to the left of (for lack of a better term) "Blue Dog-ism". If some Tea Party-types have expressed approval of some of his decisions as Mayor, it is probably because they expected him to be as bad as Obama himself.

....................

As to Rick Perry:

1. Craving attention and wanting to undermine the candidacy of Mitt Romney are not mutually-exclusive traits.

2. If the local media in Austin -- including the alternatives, not just the American-Statesman -- actually thinks Rick Perry is a familiar face in the gay-bar scene, or is a closeted homo, or anything similar to that, I do not believe they would just sit on that information month after month, year after year (Perry has held statewide office in Texas continually for more than 20 years). But if Perry really is in that position, it would be incredibly reckless and stupid for him to try and run for president.

He is. I have personally seen him multiple times at Rain down in the Austin Warehouse district. I would assume that the Statesman and the Austin Chronicle know about him since most of the gay scene in Austin does.

I find this pretty hard to believe. If a Republican governor is out trolling gay bars, someone would be on it like a pitbull on a poodle. It's just too big a story.

To believe that would be to believe that Perry has some leverage over the Austin media that defies belief. This ain't Kennedy and the Mayflower Hotel. This is the 21st century, where every jackleg on the street has a smart phone and a youtube account.

Don't underestimate his Bilderberg buddies.

You can't put a stopper in the Internet bottle. This thread is proof.

There's a big difference between a rumor on an internet message board and video/photographic proof.