(06-21-2011 11:59 AM)CountryRedHawk Wrote: Blazer, have you ever worked for a us air carrier? Or any other air carrier? I'm pretty sure Stanley meant actual airline employee(background checks) and aircraft safety. Like maintenance, etc.
And you'd get worn out after 8 hours of whiny passengers who are pissed about their 200 dollar ticket being too much.... Their flight is 30 minutes delayed due to weather, etc. People treat airline employees like dirt. They don't get paid much, and then you wanna trash talk them? I'd venture you were one of the passengers I hated at my gate.
I believe I covered them in the "lousy customer service at ridiculously high prices" portion of my post. I also believe LS mentioned "customs" by name.
Too bad airlines are so heavily unionized that they don't have much of an incentive to deliver good service, and so heavily regulated that it makes it almost impossible to deliver it anyways.
(06-20-2011 05:17 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: A. This will raise the cost of food.
B. This will generate another large bureaucracy that will expand and grow.
C. This will not make food safer.
A - Debatable.
B - Undoubtable.
C - Incorrect.
Government can not keep you safe. Never has...Never will. I would trust Walmart and McDonalds to provide me food safety before ANY bureaucracy. Walmart/McDonalds can not afford to poison me. There is no incentive for excellence or punishment for failure when it comes to government bureaucracies.
+1
Smaug and LS illustrate one of the biggest problem with regulation. It causes people to put blind faith in the regulatory agency, automatically assuming it will make things better. Smaug and LS are already completely on board, without even the slightest of evidence to suggest this might improve food safety. You have to wonder how many times people can get burned and still continue to do so. When it fails, the blame will naturally be put on having enough regulatory authority, and the bureaucracy expands even further.
Heh, whatever. Eat the imported food not being inspected by anyone, and I'll say a prayer for your lower GI.
Hey Smaug, like oysters?
Quote:University of Arizona researchers who studied oysters from so-called certified-safe beds discovered that 9 percent were contaminated with Salmonella bacteria. Still hungry? "We found E. coli in 100 percent of Gulf Coast locations, and in high amounts," says Lynn Joens, Ph.D., the study author.
Quote:The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that 200,000 Americans contract food poisoning every day. But Philip Tierno, Ph.D., a microbiologist at New York University medical center and author of The Secret Life of Germs, believes the actual number is closer to 800,000.
And in 4 of 5 of food poisoning cases, the attack happens at home—right (on the plate) under your nose.
"Everyone in this country will have at least one incident of sickness this year attributable to a foodborne virus, bacteria, or toxin," Tierno told Men’s Health.
(06-21-2011 01:21 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote: Hey Smaug, like oysters?
Not particularly, no.
Well, I'm betting you like at least a few of the domestic foods on that list that commonly have E. coli or something similar, making your "imported foods not being inspected by anyone" argument null.
(06-21-2011 02:02 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote: Hey blazer. That's why I don't eat sausage. Makes me sick... (now spend the rest of the say thinking about that.)
Meanwhile, the cow you'll be eating for dinner soon is standing in manure up to its waist, being injected with hormones, unnaturally being fed grain, and is prepping for an ammonia bath.
I can't wait for Lord Stanley and others to tell us how much safer this will make us.
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(07-19-2011 10:44 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote: I can't wait for Lord Stanley and others to tell us how much safer this will make us.
Cool story bro. Can you tell me a little bit more about myself?
Stay on target Blazer..... you've gone out on a weak limb to make a rather strange general claim that the USA should not work to ensure a safe and steady supply of foods and that because the government wants to work at overseas locations to monitor the supply, and this is bad for those countries and you feel bad for them.
But now you're just being a hack and looking for a fight. The disagreements in this thread were to food safety, not cell phone applications and heart monitors.
Remember this - you are always fully welcome to eat whatever you want - go to the farm and pick your own grass fed organic bison to slaughter. Do it with no government "overseer" for all I care.
Ensuring the safety of the national food supply is an important and necessary function of the Government. I say again from my post below:
food safety regulation is one of those things that work so well we've forgotten just how badly we need it, and what it was like before we had it. The regulations and the laws exist precisely because of statistical outcomes.
(07-19-2011 02:11 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: The disagreements in this thread were to food safety, not cell phone applications and heart monitors.
My main argument was that the FDA is spiraling out of control.
Quote:Remember this - you are always fully welcome to eat whatever you want
That's not even close to being true, in any context.
Quote:- go to the farm and pick your own grass fed organic bison to slaughter. Do it with no government "overseer" for all I care.
Maybe...for the time being. Then again, yesterday I wouldn't have thought the FDA could regulate the apps on my smartphone.
Quote:Ensuring the safety of the national food supply is an important and necessary function of the Government. I say again from my post below:
food safety regulation is one of those things that work so well we've forgotten just how badly we need it, and what it was like before we had it. The regulations and the laws exist precisely because of statistical outcomes.
Based on what?!?!? Obesity, cancer, and heart disease rates? Oops.
Yeah, the FDA simply wanting more power has absolutely nothing to do with it. We certainly can trust former Monsanto, ConAgra, etc. execs that run the FDA to put our health and well-being before their buddies' profits.
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(07-19-2011 03:07 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote: We certainly can trust former Monsanto, ConAgra, etc. execs that run the FDA to put our health and well-being before their buddies' profits.
First you tell me I should blindly trust industry, and now you tell me I shouldn't.
Pick a lane.
(This post was last modified: 07-19-2011 08:01 PM by Smaug.)
(07-19-2011 03:07 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote: We certainly can trust former Monsanto, ConAgra, etc. execs that run the FDA to put our health and well-being before their buddies' profits.
First you tell me I should blindly trust industry, and now you tell me I shouldn't.
Pick a lane.
Where exactly did I tell you to blindly trust anyone?
(07-19-2011 03:07 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote: We certainly can trust former Monsanto, ConAgra, etc. execs that run the FDA to put our health and well-being before their buddies' profits.
First you tell me I should blindly trust industry, and now you tell me I shouldn't.
Pick a lane.
Where exactly did I tell you to blindly trust anyone?
That wasn't a direct quote. More in keeping with the "the industry will police itself" mantra.
Meanwhile, the cow you'll be eating for dinner soon is standing in manure up to its waist, being injected with hormones, unnaturally being fed grain, and is prepping for an ammonia bath.
I can't wait for Lord Stanley and others to tell us how much safer this will make us.
This is great news because I was getting worried there would be a part of my life the goernment wasn't controlling. Good to know they're still batting 1000
(07-19-2011 03:07 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote: We certainly can trust former Monsanto, ConAgra, etc. execs that run the FDA to put our health and well-being before their buddies' profits.
First you tell me I should blindly trust industry, and now you tell me I shouldn't.
Pick a lane.
Where exactly did I tell you to blindly trust anyone?
That wasn't a direct quote. More in keeping with the "the industry will police itself" mantra.
Not quite the same when the corporation(s) co-opt the regulatory agency that's supposed to be keeping them in line, now is it?
This cancer video is just the tip of the iceberg. If most Americans know what went on in that agency, they would be appalled. Pharmaceutical companies are all about creating customers for life. They don't want to cure disease, they want to treat symptoms - for the rest of your life. These companies and their lobbyists have been for the past decade dumping all kinds of regs on nutritional supplement makers, trying to drive them out of business and attempting to use the FDA to make them illegal.
This whole issue of the FDA is a thorny one. Regulators need to really understand the business they are responsible to regulate. That makes it problematic to find people that understand that industry. Most are former scientists or execs with the big Pharma companies.
Same with Agriculture. The big Ag companies are putting all kinds of crap into our food. I get so angry listening to idiots talk about our population becoming obese and never once even LOOKING to see what is in our food nowdays that wasn't there 60 years ago. They think that people are stupid and lazy, not that big Ag has been putting lots of crap into our food and that the most vulnerable people (the poor) can only afford foods that will make them fat.
I'd love to see a major study done on what changes have occurred in the processed food industry over the past decades. I'd also like to see if there is a statistical correlation to rising obesity rates.
Has anybody noticed that soy is being put into all kinds of foods? While some misguided so called nutritionists and health nuts claim it is good for you, soy contains powerful hormones that mimic the effects of estrogen. You wonder why has there been an onslaught of erectile dysfunction pills, viagra, etc. over the past decade? Between the estrogen in the water from birth control pills and the estrogen mimic soy we consume, it has thrown our hormone levels all out of whack. Yet, only a few alternative doctors have been sounding the alarm and the AMA wants them silenced - even to the point of yanking their medical licenses. Might hurt the profits of some of their good friends.
On balance, some of these Federal agencies do as much harm as they do good. Yet, I'm not for abolishing the FDA, just a major reform.
RE: FDA going global 
