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FDA going global - BlazerFan11 - 06-20-2011 01:55 PM
http://health.usnews.com/health-news/managing-your-healthcare/policy/articles/2011/06/20/fda-to-step-up-inspections-of-imported-products
Quote:The FDA said it's also expanding its food-safety efforts under the FDA Food Safety
Modernization Act (FSMA). There will be new inspection mandates, including one to inspect more than 19,000 foreign-food facilities by the year 2016.
That should be cheap. Clearly, we need to make sure the food being produced in other countries is just as good as the food we produce here, since we are such a healthy, weight-conscious society with low rates of cancer and heart disease.
RE: FDA going global - Lord Stanley - 06-20-2011 02:05 PM
Well, one German organic farm has killed twice as many people as the Fukushima nuclear disaster and the Gulf Oil spill combined.
/heh
RE: FDA going global - Smaug - 06-20-2011 02:41 PM
Eh, if you're going to sell consumables in the US, it doesn't bother me that someone's given it the once-over.
RE: FDA going global - BlazerFan11 - 06-20-2011 02:48 PM
(06-20-2011 02:41 PM)Smaug Wrote: Eh, if you're going to sell consumables in the US, it doesn't bother me that someone's given it the once-over.
That's an oversimplification if I've ever seen one. Giving something "the once over" is much different than mandating that food processing plants in sovereign nations comply with your standards. The interview that I heard said that (paraphrasing) "the U.S. border should be the final checkpoint for food safety." So, basically, they'll be commandeering foreign businesses and forcing their compliance, or putting them out of business by locking them out of the U.S. food market (ironically, the same thing leftists demonize Wal-Mart for supposedly doing to small businesses).
RE: FDA going global - Smaug - 06-20-2011 03:06 PM
Okay, you're right.
What's a little e coli, anyway? Caveat emptor, right?
RE: FDA going global - BlazerFan11 - 06-20-2011 03:34 PM
(06-20-2011 03:06 PM)Smaug Wrote: Okay, you're right.
What's a little e coli, anyway? Caveat emptor, right?
That's the same logic TSA and Patriot Act supporters use.
RE: FDA going global - Lord Stanley - 06-20-2011 04:28 PM
Food concerns are quietly bubbling to the surface across the globe.
At this point in USA history (big picture) I'd say that wordwide food safety, pricing and agriculture in general should be given as much importance as the TSA and the Patriot Act.....
(I am speaking in general terms here, I don't want to have to write a dissertation defending every exception to the general understanding that food safety is a requirement in the modern world.)
RE: FDA going global - Smaug - 06-20-2011 04:29 PM
(06-20-2011 03:34 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:(06-20-2011 03:06 PM)Smaug Wrote: Okay, you're right.
What's a little e coli, anyway? Caveat emptor, right?
That's the same logic TSA and Patriot Act supporters use.
Flying is an option. Eating isn't.
RE: FDA going global - RaiderATO - 06-20-2011 04:41 PM
If we're going to be the world's police, we might as well be the world's food police too.
RE: FDA going global - BlazerFan11 - 06-20-2011 04:47 PM
(06-20-2011 04:29 PM)Smaug Wrote:(06-20-2011 03:34 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:(06-20-2011 03:06 PM)Smaug Wrote: Okay, you're right.
What's a little e coli, anyway? Caveat emptor, right?
That's the same logic TSA and Patriot Act supporters use.
Flying is an option. Eating isn't.
Eating imported foods is. You can always grow your own food.
RE: FDA going global - Smaug - 06-20-2011 04:50 PM
(06-20-2011 04:47 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:(06-20-2011 04:29 PM)Smaug Wrote:(06-20-2011 03:34 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:(06-20-2011 03:06 PM)Smaug Wrote: Okay, you're right.
What's a little e coli, anyway? Caveat emptor, right?
That's the same logic TSA and Patriot Act supporters use.
Flying is an option. Eating isn't.
Eating imported foods is. You can always grow your own food.
Heh, okay.
Will you be following suit, or will you be trusting foreign companies to not kill you?
RE: FDA going global - Lord Stanley - 06-20-2011 05:00 PM
(06-20-2011 04:41 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote: If we're going to be the world's police, we might as well be the world's food police too.
You have no idea how well that would be received by the world's poor and malnurished.
Add supporting genetically modified grains, and global food supplies would quickly stabilize (exclusive of some giant enviromental cataclysm.)
In addition, send tankers of DDT, mosquito nets and some sort of water purification system and a hell of a lot of world could concentrate on things beyond daily survival.
RE: FDA going global - BlazerFan11 - 06-20-2011 05:05 PM
(06-20-2011 04:50 PM)Smaug Wrote:(06-20-2011 04:47 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:(06-20-2011 04:29 PM)Smaug Wrote:(06-20-2011 03:34 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:(06-20-2011 03:06 PM)Smaug Wrote: Okay, you're right.
What's a little e coli, anyway? Caveat emptor, right?
That's the same logic TSA and Patriot Act supporters use.
Flying is an option. Eating isn't.
Eating imported foods is. You can always grow your own food.
Heh, okay.
Will you be following suit, or will you be trusting foreign companies to not kill you?
I'd trust foreign companies over the FDA (made up mainly of former execs of giant food corporations like Monsanto), who allow their former employers to keep their livestock in stomach deep piles of their own excrement or inject all kinds of hormones and antibiotics into our food.
It's just more corporatism. These regulations will push out more foreign competition and allow the U.S. based mega-corporations to gain an even larger market share.
Watch Food, Inc. and then tell me how much faith you have in the FDA.
RE: FDA going global - BlazerFan11 - 06-20-2011 05:06 PM
(06-20-2011 05:00 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:(06-20-2011 04:41 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote: If we're going to be the world's police, we might as well be the world's food police too.
You have no idea how well that would be received by the world's poor and malnurished.
Yeah, then maybe the rest of the world could become morbidly obese and die from cancer or heart disease like us. AMURICA!
RE: FDA going global - Smaug - 06-20-2011 05:12 PM
(06-20-2011 05:05 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:(06-20-2011 04:50 PM)Smaug Wrote:(06-20-2011 04:47 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:(06-20-2011 04:29 PM)Smaug Wrote:(06-20-2011 03:34 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:
That's the same logic TSA and Patriot Act supporters use.
Flying is an option. Eating isn't.
Eating imported foods is. You can always grow your own food.
Heh, okay.
Will you be following suit, or will you be trusting foreign companies to not kill you?
I'd trust foreign companies over the FDA (made up mainly of former execs of giant food corporations like Monsanto), who allow their former employers to keep their livestock in stomach deep piles of their own excrement or inject all kinds of hormones and antibiotics into our food.
It's just more corporatism. These regulations will push out more foreign competition and allow the U.S. based mega-corporations to gain an even larger market share.
Watch Food, Inc. and then tell me how much faith you have in the FDA.
With all due respect, and without getting into a bona fides pissing contest, I'll trust my experiences with the FDA more than yours.
I'm a fairly libertarian guy with a slight rightward lean, but you've lost me on this.
RE: FDA going global - Fo Shizzle - 06-20-2011 05:17 PM
A. This will raise the cost of food.
B. This will generate another large bureaucracy that will expand and grow.
C. This will not make food safer.
I would bet my next paycheck that there is a congressman representing big agriculture behind this. This stinks of political influence.
RE: FDA going global - Lord Stanley - 06-20-2011 05:20 PM
(06-20-2011 05:06 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:(06-20-2011 05:00 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:(06-20-2011 04:41 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote: If we're going to be the world's police, we might as well be the world's food police too.
You have no idea how well that would be received by the world's poor and malnurished.
Yeah, then maybe the rest of the world could become morbidly obese and die from cancer or heart disease like us. AMURICA!
That's a remarkable non-sequitor.
Having a safe source of food isn't equal to Mt. Dew and Big Macs. More like access to stores of grains, rices and hopefully vegetables.
RE: FDA going global - Lord Stanley - 06-20-2011 05:29 PM
(06-20-2011 05:17 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: A. This will raise the cost of food.
B. This will generate another large bureaucracy that will expand and grow.
C. This will not make food safer.
A - Debatable.
B - Undoubtable.
C - Incorrect.
RE: FDA going global - Fo Shizzle - 06-20-2011 05:35 PM
(06-20-2011 05:29 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:(06-20-2011 05:17 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: A. This will raise the cost of food.
B. This will generate another large bureaucracy that will expand and grow.
C. This will not make food safer.
A - Debatable.
B - Undoubtable.
C - Incorrect.
Government can not keep you safe. Never has...Never will. I would trust Walmart and McDonalds to provide me food safety before ANY bureaucracy. Walmart/McDonalds can not afford to poison me. There is no incentive for excellence or punishment for failure when it comes to government bureaucracies.
RE: FDA going global - Smaug - 06-20-2011 05:41 PM
(06-20-2011 05:35 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:(06-20-2011 05:29 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:(06-20-2011 05:17 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: A. This will raise the cost of food.
B. This will generate another large bureaucracy that will expand and grow.
C. This will not make food safer.
A - Debatable.
B - Undoubtable.
C - Incorrect.
Government can not keep you safe. Never has...Never will. I would trust Walmart and McDonalds to provide me food safety before ANY bureaucracy. Walmart/McDonalds can not afford to poison me. There is no incentive for excellence or punishment for failure when it comes to government bureaucracies.
Ever read Upton Sinclair's The Jungle?
Yeah, I know he was a socialist, but his accounts were real.