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RE: Ron Paul quoting the Bible? In other news...GTS searches for new hero...
(06-06-2011 11:36 AM)wild bill Wrote: GTS I see no problem with the way Quinn painted God, no I don't go to church, I own a Bible that I don't read enough, I don't listen to priests although I occasionally will watch Jim Hagee, I do pray to Jesus the Son of God. All of this is irrelevant to the debate though. Quinn landblased Dawkins, owned him. Dawkins is infantile in his debate and is running the entire time from Quinn.
I'm an very open minded person and I don't have all the answers, but I want to seek knowledge and I am is a very good listener. I like to hear what people have to say regardless of what they are, and if it makes sense to me I might be willing to go along with it. After checking up on Dawkins and listening to him actually have to answer for his claims the guy is just another atheist on a soapbox against religion. If you want to do your thing then by all means do it, but don't try to pass your "religion is a delusion" claims with that pompous, atheist attitude like Dawkins has.
Well ... you're endorsing a hands off God yet you're praying to Jesus. First off... how would you know it's Jesus if it were a hands off God? Secondly ... why bother even praying in the first place if it's a hands off God?
(06-06-2011 11:54 AM)wild bill Wrote: This came from the wiki page of "The God Delusion." I'm also aware the difference's of Deism and Christianity.
GTS I think you're wired to accept claims by the fringe, Roger Dawkins is a fringe atheist with asinine claims who uses faith as his only proof to his atheism, and faith, in anything, is much more closer to the same faith in religions than you would want to accept, and although I agree with 80% of what Ron Paul says and I support a majority of his claims he's seen as a loon, neocon, that lives on the fringe of political reality by the media, and you're the biggest Ron Paul supporter on this board, and that's partly why I read your posts because I enjoy your Ron Paul debates vs the libtards on this board, but that just goes to show I've hit the nail on the head and there's nothing anyone is going to say or do to change your mind because that's how you're wired which isn't a bad thing and it's prolly made you a successful person in life.
You should really read the book. I think you would be shocked to find it does make some reasonable arguments. Dawkins points out, and I agree, than God's non-existence cannot be proven 100% for sure. However, it is so unlikely as to warrant the assumption that one does not exist. The analogy he uses is the celestial tea pot. Could there be a tea pot just on the other side of Mars, in geostationary orbit so that the Earth never sees it? Yes. Can you prove there isn't one there? No. Do you think there's a tea pot there despite this? No.
And actually, I like to consider myself one of the most open minded people around. You don't discover Austrian Economics or Dawkins in our sh*tty educational system, that's for sure. You only find them if you go looking for answers, or know somebody who already found them. If God wants to convince me of his existence, he should provide me evidence. A booming voice in the sky ... something. Anything.
But back to the original view of God which you endorse ... I have qualms with the implications of a hands off Deist God. So it's an all knowning all seeing all powerful flawless super being. Ok. Take a look around the planet. Death, disease, crime, torture, poverty, murder, corruption, famine, drought, volcanoes, tornadoes, hurricanes, genocide, suicide, war, Obama, Dubya, The Backstreet Boys, the University of Georgia..... if this is God's work I'm not impressed. This is not the results I'd expect from an omnipotent being. This is what I'd expect out of a government program. This is what moved me away from Deism (along with Dawkin's book). If there is a Deist God, it's a sick and sadistic one unworthy of my worship.
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