(06-05-2011 08:29 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 08:12 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  All scientific theories are rock solid guys. They've been peer reviewed and tested MANY MANY times over. Just google scientific theories that have been disproven. Guys this isn't that hard.

You can warp the mind of a child, regrettably, but you have no power here.

It is not possible to warp an already warped mind.

GTS, I hate these religious discussions. It will end nowhere as all the other discussions do. BUT

What makes you think that the theory of evolution is not "impressive mental gymnastics" of itself.
So with your "rock solid irrefutable" evidence, you answer in Evolutionary terms one question, five little words. Five words that have provided the mental gymnastics of man for centuries. Five words, one question. Thousands of years of knoledge. Ready.

How did the universe begin?

This could be mpressive mental gymnastics like you've never seen.

(06-05-2011 09:04 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  GTS, I hate these religious discussions. It will end nowhere as all the other discussions do. BUT

What makes you think that the theory of evolution is not "impressive mental gymnastics" of itself.
So with your "rock solid irrefutable" evidence, you answer in Evolutionary terms one question, five little words. Five words that have provided the mental gymnastics of man for centuries. Five words, one question. Thousands of years of knoledge. Ready.

How did the universe begin?

This could be mpressive mental gymnastics like you've never seen.

I am guessing you are liiking for the answer "God". If that is the case, then I will ask you, "Who or what created God"?

(06-05-2011 09:23 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 09:04 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  GTS, I hate these religious discussions. It will end nowhere as all the other discussions do. BUT

What makes you think that the theory of evolution is not "impressive mental gymnastics" of itself.
So with your "rock solid irrefutable" evidence, you answer in Evolutionary terms one question, five little words. Five words that have provided the mental gymnastics of man for centuries. Five words, one question. Thousands of years of knoledge. Ready.

How did the universe begin?

This could be mpressive mental gymnastics like you've never seen.

I am guessing you are liiking for the answer "God". If that is the case, then I will ask you, "Who or what created God"?

"liiking for the answer"? I'm not going to even think about how pathetic you are. Go.

(06-05-2011 09:41 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 09:23 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 09:04 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  GTS, I hate these religious discussions. It will end nowhere as all the other discussions do. BUT

What makes you think that the theory of evolution is not "impressive mental gymnastics" of itself.
So with your "rock solid irrefutable" evidence, you answer in Evolutionary terms one question, five little words. Five words that have provided the mental gymnastics of man for centuries. Five words, one question. Thousands of years of knoledge. Ready.

How did the universe begin?

This could be mpressive mental gymnastics like you've never seen.

I am guessing you are liiking for the answer "God". If that is the case, then I will ask you, "Who or what created God"?

"liiking for the answer"? I'm not going to even think about how pathetic you are. Go.

I noticed you went for the typing error(sorry, I am not wearing my glasses) instead of answering the question.

(06-05-2011 09:52 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 09:41 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 09:23 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 09:04 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  GTS, I hate these religious discussions. It will end nowhere as all the other discussions do. BUT

What makes you think that the theory of evolution is not "impressive mental gymnastics" of itself.
So with your "rock solid irrefutable" evidence, you answer in Evolutionary terms one question, five little words. Five words that have provided the mental gymnastics of man for centuries. Five words, one question. Thousands of years of knoledge. Ready.

How did the universe begin?

This could be mpressive mental gymnastics like you've never seen.

I am guessing you are liiking for the answer "God". If that is the case, then I will ask you, "Who or what created God"?

"liiking for the answer"? I'm not going to even think about how pathetic you are. Go.

I noticed you went for the typing error(sorry, I am not wearing my glasses) instead of answering the question.

I noticed you went for asking another question instead of answering the question.

Paul, I think he answered God. THEN he asked, Who or What created God?

(06-05-2011 10:55 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  Paul, I think he answered God. THEN he asked, Who or What created God?

More or less but the way I worded it, he can spin it to mean something else.

You said "I am guessing you are looking for the answer "God"". I didn't take it that your answer was God. Not trying to spin. Is it your answer that you believe it was God who created the universe?

(06-05-2011 04:39 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 02:46 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 11:49 AM)RobertN Wrote:  You should move to one of the Confederate states. You would like it down there with the rest of the fundamentalist Christian types.

Btw, I think it is funny when you fundamentalist Christians bash the Taliban for their fundamentalist Muslim ways of life(things like how they dress, customs etc. not including the violence).

The fact you would compare a fundamentalist Christian in this nation with the Taliban shows just how detached from reality you are.

Can you edumacate me on the difference? I said there is a violence difference(at least currently) so don't go there.

1) I don't seek a special tax on non believers
2) I don't seek laws making unbelief hard and conversion away from Christianity a capital offense
3) I don't think women should get shot in soccer stadiums for learning to read
4) I don't think music or movies should be banned, even the ones I find distasteful
5) I don't think there should be restrictions on people of an (or no) faith building places to meet

Do I need to continue?

(06-05-2011 09:04 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  GTS, I hate these religious discussions. It will end nowhere as all the other discussions do. BUT

What makes you think that the theory of evolution is not "impressive mental gymnastics" of itself.
So with your "rock solid irrefutable" evidence, you answer in Evolutionary terms one question, five little words. Five words that have provided the mental gymnastics of man for centuries. Five words, one question. Thousands of years of knoledge. Ready.

How did the universe begin?

This could be mpressive mental gymnastics like you've never seen.

Big bang. This is proven through the Doppler Shift and background radiation levels. I'm sure your follow up to that is ... well what was before the big bang? To which I'll ask the appropriate side question: what God created your God? And what God created the God that created your God?

GTS wonder who won the debate

On 3 October 2007, John Lennox, Professor of Mathematics at Oxford University, publicly debated Richard Dawkins at the University of Alabama at Birmingham in Birmingham, Alabama on Dawkins' views as expressed in The God Delusion, and their validity over and against the Christian faith.[45][46][47] "The God Delusion Debate" marked Dawkins' first visit to the Old South and the first significant discussion on this issue in the "Bible Belt".[48] The event was sold out, and the Wall Street Journal called it "a revelation: in Alabama, a civil debate over God's existence."[49][50] Dawkins debated Lennox for the second time at the Oxford University Museum of Natural History in October 2008. The debate was titled "Has Science Buried God?", in which Dawkins said that, while he would not accept it, a reasonably respectable case could be made for "a deistic god, a sort of god of the physicist, a god of somebody like Paul Davies, who devised the laws of physics, god the mathematician, god who put together the cosmos in the first place and then sat back and watched everything happen".[

here it is in it's entirerity

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...901640650#

(06-06-2011 12:16 AM)wild bill Wrote:  GTS wonder who won the debate

On 3 October 2007, John Lennox, Professor of Mathematics at Oxford University, publicly debated Richard Dawkins at the University of Alabama at Birmingham in Birmingham, Alabama on Dawkins' views as expressed in The God Delusion, and their validity over and against the Christian faith.[45][46][47] "The God Delusion Debate" marked Dawkins' first visit to the Old South and the first significant discussion on this issue in the "Bible Belt".[48] The event was sold out, and the Wall Street Journal called it "a revelation: in Alabama, a civil debate over God's existence."[49][50] Dawkins debated Lennox for the second time at the Oxford University Museum of Natural History in October 2008. The debate was titled "Has Science Buried God?", in which Dawkins said that, while he would not accept it, a reasonably respectable case could be made for "a deistic god, a sort of god of the physicist, a god of somebody like Paul Davies, who devised the laws of physics, god the mathematician, god who put together the cosmos in the first place and then sat back and watched everything happen".[

And I hope you realize such a God would be light years away from the organized religion practiced by most people. The above describes Deism, and I use to be deist until I read The God Delusion. Dawkins and myself are de facto atheists. He covers this point of view in detail for probably 20-30 pages in the book.

Here's the transcripts of the David Quinn v Dawkins debate. Dawkins got owned. I surely hope you haven't damned your soul over an idiot like Dawkins, I like you as a poster and I'm sure you're a fine man but I'm surprised as smart as you are you fell for something as empty as anything Richard Dawkins would spew.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1727564/posts

(06-06-2011 12:39 AM)wild bill Wrote:  Here's the transcripts of the David Quinn v Dawkins debate. Dawkins got owned. I surely hope you haven't damned your soul over an idiot like Dawkins, I like you as a poster and I'm sure you're a fine man but I'm surprised as smart as you are you fell for something as empty as anything Richard Dawkins would spew.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1727564/posts

Well let's dig deeper shall we? Do you accept the hands off God as presented by Quinn in that debate?

Do you practice organized religion? Attend a church, listen to priests, have a book you consider to be the word of God, ... any of the usual stuffs?

If you answered yes to both ... how in the hell do you reconcile that enormous chasm between the two?

(06-05-2011 11:49 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 11:03 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 10:52 AM)Smaug Wrote:  As a Christian, I honestly don't get the disconnect between Evolution and Scripture.

Genesis says, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."

Now, suppose it said, "In the beginning, God baked a cake."

It doesn't say, "In the beginning, God took two eggs, a cup of milk, etc."

To say that God created man from the dust of the earth doesn't sound all that different (to me, at least) than the idea that two atoms bound together to form a molecule. Then some molecules linked together to form an amino acid, which then built a protein, and so on.

Science doesn't contradict God. It can't. In places where it appears to, we just don't understand how how it confirms God.

Am I on an island here, or does that make sense to anyone else?

While I don't believe in Evolution it is in no way a cornerstone of my faith. It does, however, open up some serious theological questions about predetermination.

You should move to one of the Confederate states. You would like it down there with the rest of the fundamentalist Christian types.

Btw, I think it is funny when you fundamentalist Christians bash the Taliban for their fundamentalist Muslim ways of life(things like how they dress, customs etc. not including the violence).

You know nothing about the South if you think that fundamentalist Christians are the majority.

(06-05-2011 10:16 AM)TOGC Wrote:  

(06-04-2011 10:08 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  To his credit, Ron Paul also doesn't try to force a religious worldview on me by forcing the teaching of "evolution" in schools, etc.

That's science, not religion.

If you can't tell the difference, you're excluded from the rest of the conversation.

Hmmm...until the entire process can be proven from No life to single cell life to multi-cellular life to humans, there is a huge aspect of faith involved. If you can't see that, then you are excluded from the rest of the conversation.

GTS I see no problem with the way Quinn painted God, no I don't go to church, I own a Bible that I don't read enough, I don't listen to priests although I occasionally will watch Jim Hagee, I do pray to Jesus the Son of God. All of this is irrelevant to the debate though. Quinn landblased Dawkins, owned him. Dawkins is infantile in his debate and is running the entire time from Quinn.

I'm an very open minded person and I don't have all the answers, but I want to seek knowledge and I am is a very good listener. I like to hear what people have to say regardless of what they are, and if it makes sense to me I might be willing to go along with it. After checking up on Dawkins and listening to him actually have to answer for his claims the guy is just another atheist on a soapbox against religion. If you want to do your thing then by all means do it, but don't try to pass your "religion is a delusion" claims with that pompous, atheist attitude like Dawkins has.

(06-06-2011 01:50 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-06-2011 12:39 AM)wild bill Wrote:  Here's the transcripts of the David Quinn v Dawkins debate. Dawkins got owned. I surely hope you haven't damned your soul over an idiot like Dawkins, I like you as a poster and I'm sure you're a fine man but I'm surprised as smart as you are you fell for something as empty as anything Richard Dawkins would spew.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1727564/posts

Well let's dig deeper shall we? Do you accept the hands off God as presented by Quinn in that debate?

Do you practice organized religion? Attend a church, listen to priests, have a book you consider to be the word of God, ... any of the usual stuffs?

If you answered yes to both ... how in the hell do you reconcile that enormous chasm between the two?

I have equal dislike for Christians and Atheists who constantly(and obnoxiously) want me to buy into their belief systems.