Strong would never be the head coach of UF. Too many politics involved. They would probably look at Kelly, Petrino, Tuberville, Patterson, Leach, or the OBC.

Does Stoops have any relations with UND?

(11-17-2009 01:29 PM)SO#1 Wrote:  I wonder if Brian Kelly can make a demand type of schedule he willing to play to be a HC at ND. They can recruit most kids around the country but unlike other major program they don’t host MAC teams and/or FCS teams. It’s very hard to be a HC at ND when TV demanded that type schedule. They can experiment with this for a few more years with another coach then they need to decide, with the changing landscape of college where every college team can be see every day of the week on ESPN, where they need to go all-sport or semi (6 games). HA – HA, I broke the rule.

I hope he stay at Cincinnati until they expand their stadium. It’s too bad if he leave when he just started. There is no guarantee success look at Colorado and Michigan State. He still has a better chance playing in championship game where he is than ND unless he can do something difference with the schedule.

ND will host a MAC school for the 1st time in its history next year when Western Michigan comes to South Bend.

(11-17-2009 03:22 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  

(11-17-2009 01:29 PM)SO#1 Wrote:  I wonder if Brian Kelly can make a demand type of schedule he willing to play to be a HC at ND. They can recruit most kids around the country but unlike other major program they don’t host MAC teams and/or FCS teams. It’s very hard to be a HC at ND when TV demanded that type schedule. They can experiment with this for a few more years with another coach then they need to decide, with the changing landscape of college where every college team can be see every day of the week on ESPN, where they need to go all-sport or semi (6 games). HA – HA, I broke the rule.

I hope he stay at Cincinnati until they expand their stadium. It’s too bad if he leave when he just started. There is no guarantee success look at Colorado and Michigan State. He still has a better chance playing in championship game where he is than ND unless he can do something difference with the schedule.

ND will host a MAC school for the 1st time in its history next year when Western Michigan comes to South Bend.

You could also say that ND's schedule this year was less challenging than UC's. Sure, it had some big names on it, but many of those opponents have not had very good seasons.

(11-17-2009 03:27 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2009 03:22 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  

(11-17-2009 01:29 PM)SO#1 Wrote:  I wonder if Brian Kelly can make a demand type of schedule he willing to play to be a HC at ND. They can recruit most kids around the country but unlike other major program they don’t host MAC teams and/or FCS teams. It’s very hard to be a HC at ND when TV demanded that type schedule. They can experiment with this for a few more years with another coach then they need to decide, with the changing landscape of college where every college team can be see every day of the week on ESPN, where they need to go all-sport or semi (6 games). HA – HA, I broke the rule.

I hope he stay at Cincinnati until they expand their stadium. It’s too bad if he leave when he just started. There is no guarantee success look at Colorado and Michigan State. He still has a better chance playing in championship game where he is than ND unless he can do something difference with the schedule.

ND will host a MAC school for the 1st time in its history next year when Western Michigan comes to South Bend.

You could also say that ND's schedule this year was less challenging than UC's. Sure, it had some big names on it, but many of those opponents have not had very good seasons.

Sagarin has Notre Dame's SOS as 20 while UC's sits at 65.

(11-17-2009 03:22 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  

(11-17-2009 01:29 PM)SO#1 Wrote:  I wonder if Brian Kelly can make a demand type of schedule he willing to play to be a HC at ND. They can recruit most kids around the country but unlike other major program they don’t host MAC teams and/or FCS teams. It’s very hard to be a HC at ND when TV demanded that type schedule. They can experiment with this for a few more years with another coach then they need to decide, with the changing landscape of college where every college team can be see every day of the week on ESPN, where they need to go all-sport or semi (6 games). HA – HA, I broke the rule.

I hope he stay at Cincinnati until they expand their stadium. It’s too bad if he leave when he just started. There is no guarantee success look at Colorado and Michigan State. He still has a better chance playing in championship game where he is than ND unless he can do something difference with the schedule.

ND will host a MAC school for the 1st time in its history next year when Western Michigan comes to South Bend.

Yeah, ND's schedule has been significantly downgraded. They'll be playing only 7 BCS schools next season. You can't blame them when a power school on their schedule like Michigan goes through hard times, but having 5 non-BCS teams in a year is something completely within their control and ridiculous.

(11-17-2009 02:51 PM)claytonbigsby Wrote:  Strong would never be the head coach of UF. Too many politics involved. They would probably look at Kelly, Petrino, Tuberville, Patterson, Leach, or the OBC.

Never is a strong word, considering how often things described as 'never' actually happen. Pardon the pun, but Strong would be a very STRONG candidate at Florida for the same political pressure you suggested.

Short of Strong, I would see Bob Stoops as another potential candidate. He was on Florida's short list to replace SOS, and Stoops has never hidden his fondness of his time in Gainesville.

I'm not sure if Kelly's style would work too well at Florida or how he would handle the scrutiny at UF, which has perhaps the marquee football job in the state, college or pro. I like Kelly's straight shooter style, but that may not work too well in the SEC.

(11-17-2009 03:50 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-17-2009 03:22 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  

(11-17-2009 01:29 PM)SO#1 Wrote:  I wonder if Brian Kelly can make a demand type of schedule he willing to play to be a HC at ND. They can recruit most kids around the country but unlike other major program they don’t host MAC teams and/or FCS teams. It’s very hard to be a HC at ND when TV demanded that type schedule. They can experiment with this for a few more years with another coach then they need to decide, with the changing landscape of college where every college team can be see every day of the week on ESPN, where they need to go all-sport or semi (6 games). HA – HA, I broke the rule.

I hope he stay at Cincinnati until they expand their stadium. It’s too bad if he leave when he just started. There is no guarantee success look at Colorado and Michigan State. He still has a better chance playing in championship game where he is than ND unless he can do something difference with the schedule.

ND will host a MAC school for the 1st time in its history next year when Western Michigan comes to South Bend.

Yeah, ND's schedule has been significantly downgraded. They'll be playing only 7 BCS schools next season. You can't blame them when a power school on their schedule like Michigan goes through hard times, but having 5 non-BCS teams in a year is something completely within their control and ridiculous.

Michigan maybe down but Stanford takes their place. And when Michigan is back, does that mean they going with 6 or 7 non-BCS teams?

Is this something they intended to do every year like Florida and Texas?
Or simply a change in pace

You have to wonder, if NBC think that this is the way ND going forward with their future schedules would they renewal their contract or maybe lower? Stay tune 2015

(11-17-2009 03:37 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(11-17-2009 03:27 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2009 03:22 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  

(11-17-2009 01:29 PM)SO#1 Wrote:  I wonder if Brian Kelly can make a demand type of schedule he willing to play to be a HC at ND. They can recruit most kids around the country but unlike other major program they don’t host MAC teams and/or FCS teams. It’s very hard to be a HC at ND when TV demanded that type schedule. They can experiment with this for a few more years with another coach then they need to decide, with the changing landscape of college where every college team can be see every day of the week on ESPN, where they need to go all-sport or semi (6 games). HA – HA, I broke the rule.

I hope he stay at Cincinnati until they expand their stadium. It’s too bad if he leave when he just started. There is no guarantee success look at Colorado and Michigan State. He still has a better chance playing in championship game where he is than ND unless he can do something difference with the schedule.

ND will host a MAC school for the 1st time in its history next year when Western Michigan comes to South Bend.

You could also say that ND's schedule this year was less challenging than UC's. Sure, it had some big names on it, but many of those opponents have not had very good seasons.

Sagarin has Notre Dame's SOS as 20 while UC's sits at 65.

You can use Sagarin, I'll use my own eyes. Besides, wasn't Sagarin the one that had Austin Peay as the number one basketball team in the nation a few years ago? We know how that worked out.

(11-17-2009 11:50 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-17-2009 11:37 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  All of these guys have huge egos. Throw enough money and they'll likely get whichever candidate they want.

I agree. While getting offered a massive isn't a guarantee that a coach will leave, it's certainly extremely important. Brian Kelly has a massive ego - he actually called out his own athletic department with respect to its physical facilities. I haven't seen very many, if any, coaches ever be that forthright - usually, it's the old song and dance of "we absolutely have the resources to compete in our conference and against the Big Ten and SEC." The fan base of every college team that has some success will drink the Kool-Aid where they firmly believe that the coach will never leave for greener pastures when rumors come to fruition. That coach will talk about "quality of life", "we're building something special" and "my family loves it here". By January, that coach will be at a press conference in a place like Ann Arbor, South Bend or Gainesville talking about how he "couldn't pass up the opportunity to be a part of such a rich tradition". I'm not saying that Kelly is going to leave, but don't be so naive to buy any talk about "building something special" - that line has been used hundreds of times by coaches with rumors swirling around them and virtually all of them have left.

You guys seem convinced that he is leaving, and you get upset when people give you a reason why he won't leave. But there could easily be a million reasons why he WON'T leave. From having restrictions when it comes to getting players into Notre Dame, unrealistic expectations, a schedule you can't control as coach, etc. At Notre Dame there isn't a conference, so if you don't go to the BCS every year you're going to get heat on you. And if you're coaching at Notre Dame it goes from "Kelly's legacy" to the "Notre Dame legacy". I'm not naive, I just don't fall into the same category of thinking every coach is going to hop and skip to Notre Dame or Michigan. Especially when they're already coaching a national title contender.

I can see Meyer being lured w/ the idea of finally bringing ND back to prominence. As others have mentioned, he doesn't have alot more to accomplish at Florida. Will he win the national title every year? How long before 9-3/8-4/10-2/9-3 seasons start happening, and maybe another title at some point, but - - will he ever be able to equal the success he's already had? With Tebow graduating and another shot at a title likely, AND an opening at ND likely to come on its heels (and who knows when that opportunity might arise again), I can see that it could at least be possible for Meyer to make the move.

(11-17-2009 04:31 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  You guys seem convinced that he is leaving, and you get upset when people give you a reason why he won't leave. But there could easily be a million reasons why he WON'T leave. From having restrictions when it comes to getting players into Notre Dame, unrealistic expectations, a schedule you can't control as coach, etc. At Notre Dame there isn't a conference, so if you don't go to the BCS every year you're going to get heat on you. And if you're coaching at Notre Dame it goes from "Kelly's legacy" to the "Notre Dame legacy". I'm not naive, I just don't fall into the same category of thinking every coach is going to hop and skip to Notre Dame or Michigan. Especially when they're already coaching a national title contender.

I'm not convinced that he's leaving, but I just simply don't trust anything that a coach says about his current job ever. Coaches always say the right things about how much they are building something special and that their families love it and then it goes out the window in the offseason. It's no different than a politician reflexively talking about how he cares about America's children no matter what the issue might be. DickRod was coaching a national contender that was his OWN alma mater with sold out games, great facilities and a renowned traveling fan base yet he STILL skipped town. If that's not reason enough to be extremely skeptical and take every threat of a power school nabbing a coach seriously, then I don't know what is. If it's not another college, it could very well be the pros that have a siren call. Look at what Bobby Petrino did to Louisville. Look at the list of schools that Nick Saban has left in his path. They all left schools that were legit national title contenders with tons of financial resources and could've had lifetime jobs to cement their "legacies" but took the higher paydays either at more high profile schools or the pros.

Objectively speaking, I just think that if there's a lot of interest in Kelly (and there almost certainly will be), then UC is in a worse position than WVU was with respect to DickRod and Louisville was with respect to Petrino when you take into account the fan bases, financial resources and facilities. DickRod and Petrino both left arguably stronger overall situations. It may very well be the case that Kelly has emotional ties to UC that are beyond what other coaches have had for their schools, but it's hard for me to think that any bond could've been greater than what DickRod had with WVU. That was the equivalent of watching Art Modell move the original Browns out of Cleveland - if they could leave their hometown with such a rabid fan base for a stadium situation, then any team could leave any town anywhere if they didn't get their way. Coaching situations are even more fluid.

(11-17-2009 12:48 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Kelly is a more realistic choice. But if I were him, I'd stay at UC. If he goes to Notre Dame, he'll just be another in a long line of good coaches, if you discount the last couple of hires, while at UC he is THE MAN. If he stays in Cincinnati, his name will live forever in Bearcat lore. That won't be the case in South Bend...

If i was Kelly, i'd stay at UC too, IF they committed to some serious upgrades in facilities and gave me a very nice raise. Not as much as ND would offer, but ballpark.

You can't expect anyone to turn down $millions.

(11-17-2009 04:26 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-17-2009 03:37 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(11-17-2009 03:27 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2009 03:22 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  

(11-17-2009 01:29 PM)SO#1 Wrote:  I wonder if Brian Kelly can make a demand type of schedule he willing to play to be a HC at ND. They can recruit most kids around the country but unlike other major program they don’t host MAC teams and/or FCS teams. It’s very hard to be a HC at ND when TV demanded that type schedule. They can experiment with this for a few more years with another coach then they need to decide, with the changing landscape of college where every college team can be see every day of the week on ESPN, where they need to go all-sport or semi (6 games). HA – HA, I broke the rule.

I hope he stay at Cincinnati until they expand their stadium. It’s too bad if he leave when he just started. There is no guarantee success look at Colorado and Michigan State. He still has a better chance playing in championship game where he is than ND unless he can do something difference with the schedule.

ND will host a MAC school for the 1st time in its history next year when Western Michigan comes to South Bend.

You could also say that ND's schedule this year was less challenging than UC's. Sure, it had some big names on it, but many of those opponents have not had very good seasons.

Sagarin has Notre Dame's SOS as 20 while UC's sits at 65.

You can use Sagarin, I'll use my own eyes. Besides, wasn't Sagarin the one that had Austin Peay as the number one basketball team in the nation a few years ago? We know how that worked out.

Yeah, 'cause you're so unbiased and everything. I don't see garbage like Miami OH and SEMO on Notre Dame's schedule. But I'm sure to a homer like you Cincinnati plays the toughest schedule in the nation.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4663651

I have a hard time believing that Rodriguez wouldn't be given at least one more season.

(11-17-2009 07:23 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I have a hard time believing that Rodriguez wouldn't be given at least one more season.

Yes. Even though he's been historically awful (by UM standards) for 2 years, it's still just 2 years. I expect he'll be back next year.

I don't expect him back. There is no documentation to prove or disprove the NCAA allegations, and those documents are mandated by the NCAA. That's a violation of NCAA rules. It also gives Michigan an out on his contract for just cause - without any further payments on his contract...

(11-17-2009 05:16 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  Yeah, 'cause you're so unbiased and everything. I don't see garbage like Miami OH and SEMO on Notre Dame's schedule. But I'm sure to a homer like you Cincinnati plays the toughest schedule in the nation.

Someone inform Mike that UC's SOS actually dropped one spot after beating WVU last week. That should brighten his day.

(11-17-2009 07:23 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I have a hard time believing that Rodriguez wouldn't be given at least one more season.

not keeping logs on practices and failing to due proper paperwork iaw ncaa guuidlines is a serious violation and dick rods contract states that he can be terminated for being a thug, i think he's done baby.

michigan unlike ndame had their sh!t together when they hired dick rod.
if he beats ohio state he may get probation for almost insubordination, anything less he done baby.

if i were a betting man i'd say he done at michigan, maybe notre dame will pick em up lolllllllll.:domokun: