Since this involves a BE coach i'm posting this here. Please don't make this an expansion thread because the majority of ND threads become one.

There was a rumor that the decision on Weis has already happened and he is done and the Pitt game was the deciding factor. The 3 possible replacements are Bob Stoops, Brian Kelly and Urban Myer. I'm thinking it'll be Stoops.

(11-17-2009 11:21 AM)animus Wrote:  Since this involves a BE coach i'm posting this here. Please don't make this an expansion thread because the majority of ND threads become one.

There was a rumor that the decision on Weis has already happened and he is done and the Pitt game was the deciding factor. The 3 possible replacements are Bob Stoops, Brian Kelly and Urban Myer. I'm thinking it'll be Stoops.

Stoops makes the most sense. I just think Kelly isn't the type who needs to fill his ego. he has it good at UC for the moment... smart man stays at that position unless of ocurse the $$$ is so good you just can't turn an offer down.

All of these guys have huge egos. Throw enough money and they'll likely get whichever candidate they want.

Word is ND is ready to throw $5,000,000 plus at Brian Kelly and Urban Myer. Word is that Richy Rod is also gone at Michigan at the end of the season. Look for them to throw a lot of money Jim Harbaugh's way.

(11-17-2009 11:37 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  All of these guys have huge egos. Throw enough money and they'll likely get whichever candidate they want.

I agree. While getting offered a massive isn't a guarantee that a coach will leave, it's certainly extremely important. Brian Kelly has a massive ego - he actually called out his own athletic department with respect to its physical facilities. I haven't seen very many, if any, coaches ever be that forthright - usually, it's the old song and dance of "we absolutely have the resources to compete in our conference and against the Big Ten and SEC." The fan base of every college team that has some success will drink the Kool-Aid where they firmly believe that the coach will never leave for greener pastures when rumors come to fruition. That coach will talk about "quality of life", "we're building something special" and "my family loves it here". By January, that coach will be at a press conference in a place like Ann Arbor, South Bend or Gainesville talking about how he "couldn't pass up the opportunity to be a part of such a rich tradition". I'm not saying that Kelly is going to leave, but don't be so naive to buy any talk about "building something special" - that line has been used hundreds of times by coaches with rumors swirling around them and virtually all of them have left.

(11-17-2009 11:28 AM)pitt83 Wrote:  

(11-17-2009 11:21 AM)animus Wrote:  Since this involves a BE coach i'm posting this here. Please don't make this an expansion thread because the majority of ND threads become one.

There was a rumor that the decision on Weis has already happened and he is done and the Pitt game was the deciding factor. The 3 possible replacements are Bob Stoops, Brian Kelly and Urban Myer. I'm thinking it'll be Stoops.

Stoops makes the most sense. I just think Kelly isn't the type who needs to fill his ego. he has it good at UC for the moment... smart man stays at that position unless of ocurse the $$$ is so good you just can't turn an offer down.

Stoops is unlikely to leave one blue-chip program for another. That almost never happens.

Unfortunately, "hot" Big East coaches do tend to leave for perceived greener pastures with traditional powers.

If God told me that either Kelly or Stoops ends up at Notre Dame and to guess which, i'm 90% confident the answer is Kelly.

(11-17-2009 11:21 AM)animus Wrote:  Since this involves a BE coach i'm posting this here. Please don't make this an expansion thread because the majority of ND threads become one.

There was a rumor that the decision on Weis has already happened and he is done and the Pitt game was the deciding factor. The 3 possible replacements are Bob Stoops, Brian Kelly and Urban Myer. I'm thinking it'll be Stoops.

Throw Pat Fitzgerald into the mix, maybe Ferentz.

(11-17-2009 11:50 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I agree. While getting offered a massive isn't a guarantee that a coach will leave, it's certainly extremely important. Brian Kelly has a massive ego

Maybe so, but the flipside is that you don't have to have a massive ego to want $5 million. Even a tiny ego is likely to find that extremely attractive.

(11-17-2009 11:21 AM)animus Wrote:  There was a rumor that the decision on Weis has already happened and he is done and the Pitt game was the deciding factor. The 3 possible replacements are Bob Stoops, Brian Kelly and Urban Myer. I'm thinking it'll be Stoops.

To be honest, I can't see Stoops or Myer leaving their respctive schools. Oklahoma is a top tier football school in terms of prestige plus one has to consider Stoops' contract:

"Football coach Bob Stoops had his contract extended through the 2015 season and will make $3.675 million this coming season. His new contract includes an annual raise of $250,000, a $700,000 stay bonus each July and an additional one-time $800,000 bonus in 2011. If Stoops remains through all seven years, he will make more than $4 million a year in the final five years of the contract and make nearly $5 million in the the 2011 season."1

(11-17-2009 11:53 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-17-2009 11:28 AM)pitt83 Wrote:  

(11-17-2009 11:21 AM)animus Wrote:  Since this involves a BE coach i'm posting this here. Please don't make this an expansion thread because the majority of ND threads become one.

There was a rumor that the decision on Weis has already happened and he is done and the Pitt game was the deciding factor. The 3 possible replacements are Bob Stoops, Brian Kelly and Urban Myer. I'm thinking it'll be Stoops.

Stoops makes the most sense. I just think Kelly isn't the type who needs to fill his ego. he has it good at UC for the moment... smart man stays at that position unless of ocurse the $$$ is so good you just can't turn an offer down.

Stoops is unlikely to leave one blue-chip program for another. That almost never happens.

Unfortunately, "hot" Big East coaches do tend to leave for perceived greener pastures with traditional powers.

If God told me that either Kelly or Stoops ends up at Notre Dame and to guess which, i'm 90% confident the answer is Kelly.

Yeah, I don't get how Bob Stoops is supposed to be more likely to leave than Brian Kelly. Objectively speaking, you're comparing a massive flagship school that is a legit marquee national program and draws 80,000 to a spring game versus a school that isn't a flagship with a stadium that seats less than 40,000 and whose coach has openly called for better facilities. I know that Cincy fans justifiably love Kelly and want to believe that his heart is somehow tied to that school no matter who else is calling, but realistically speaking, Oklahoma and Florida are in much better position to retain their respective coaches by any standard.

I never thought DickRod would leave West Virginia, but the lure of a program like Michigan is unbelievably intoxicating to any coach that isn't at one of those power schools (and I would consider Oklahoma and Florida to be legit power schools already). If DickRod could leave his alma mater that was in legitimate contention for national championships on a regular basis, then anyone could leave. No successful program outside of that handful of power progremas is safe from being poached by a flashier name.

(11-17-2009 12:01 PM)UofL07 Wrote:  

(11-17-2009 11:21 AM)animus Wrote:  There was a rumor that the decision on Weis has already happened and he is done and the Pitt game was the deciding factor. The 3 possible replacements are Bob Stoops, Brian Kelly and Urban Myer. I'm thinking it'll be Stoops.

To be honest, I can't see Stoops or Myer leaving their respctive schools. Oklahoma is a top tier football school in terms of prestige plus one has to consider Stoops' contract:

"Football coach Bob Stoops had his contract extended through the 2015 season and will make $3.675 million this coming season. His new contract includes an annual raise of $250,000, a $700,000 stay bonus each July and an additional one-time $800,000 bonus in 2011. If Stoops remains through all seven years, he will make more than $4 million a year in the final five years of the contract and make nearly $5 million in the the 2011 season."1

Myer, like Stoops, is also already at a top tier school and has access to virtually any recruit he wants in the most fertile recruiting grounds in the country (he doesn't even have to leave the state). Myer's salary is 4 million a year and let's also remember that Florida's pockets are as deep as if not deeper than Notre Dame's.

Out of the three, Kelly would be the most realistic choice to leave. UC football is not as prestigious as ND and Kelly would likely make at least double his salary. If (and that is a big if because I think ND will have a large list of coaches) ND comes calling, I don't see Kelly turning down the offer. Hopefully he doesn't get the offer to begin with.

(11-17-2009 12:10 PM)UofL07 Wrote:  Myer, like Stoops, is also already at a top tier school and has access to virtually any recruit he wants in the most fertile recruiting grounds in the country (he doesn't even have to leave the state). Myer's salary is 4 million a year and let's also remember that Florida's pockets are as deep as if not deeper than Notre Dame's.

Out of the three, Kelly would be the most realistic choice to leave. UC football is not as prestigious as ND and Kelly would likely make at least double his salary. If (and that is a big if because I think ND will have a large list of coaches) ND comes calling, I don't see Kelly turning down the offer. Hopefully he doesn't get the offer to begin with.

Yes, Meyer turned ND down 5 years ago in favor of Florida, and given what he's been able to do at Florida, there's no reason to think he won't turn them down again. Even if ND throws obscene money at him, UF can match that dollar for dollar.

Regarding leaving one top tier program for another, although its a different sport, look at Roy Williams move from Kansas to UNC. That move was slightly different because UNC was home to Williams.

I'm glad ND seems to have an unlimited supply of money to throw at football coaches. Heaven knows (pun intended) they have wasted their fare share of it the last couple of decades.

(11-17-2009 12:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes, Meyer turned ND down 5 years ago in favor of Florida, and given what he's been able to do at Florida, there's no reason to think he won't turn them down again. Even if ND throws obscene money at him, UF can match that dollar for dollar.

I agree with you on this one. There is no way Notre Dame will convince Urban Meyer to leave the Gators. He's in the best conference, playing top ranked teams every year, and is guaranteed a shot at a national championship every year. Recruiting kids to come to Florida is easier than getting them to come to South Bend, and all the talent in the world is within a short radius of Gainesville. What can the Irish offer him to top what the Gators can offer? Nothing, not even money. Florida has as much money as Notre Dame, and I'm sure they'll match any offer presented...

He's have to rebuild Notre Dame to get them to national respectability again, while the Gators are already one of the best teams in the nation every year. Meyer's chances of leaving Gainesville are ZERO...

Kelly is a more realistic choice. But if I were him, I'd stay at UC. If he goes to Notre Dame, he'll just be another in a long line of good coaches, if you discount the last couple of hires, while at UC he is THE MAN. If he stays in Cincinnati, his name will live forever in Bearcat lore. That won't be the case in South Bend...

I think Stoops is the best choice here. But since I have no influence at Notre Dame, I doubt they'll agree with my opinion...

Word is that Urban Meyer wanted Notre Dame admissions staff to allow ten partial qualifiers into school per year. They said no and that was the main reason he declined that position.

(11-17-2009 12:17 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  I'm glad ND seems to have an unlimited supply of money to throw at football coaches. Heaven knows (pun intended) they have wasted their fare share of it the last couple of decades.

Well, if you have the option to sign a guy that never was a head coach in college football before to a long extension after beating the spread against USC in 2005 (but not actually winning the game), you always have to make that deal.

Of course, from a prospective coach's perspective, ND is the only place in the country where you can parlay beating the spread against USC in 2005 (but not actually winning the game) into that type of contract extension, a book deal, a couple of BCS bowl bids and a fawning interview on 60 Minutes. That certainly makes ND a special place... stupid considering its resources, maybe, but still special. Think of the riches that await for the ND coach that actually manages to beat USC.

(11-17-2009 12:53 PM)MemphisTger Wrote:  Word is that Urban Meyer wanted Notre Dame admissions staff to allow ten partial qualifiers into school per year. They said no and that was the main reason he declined that position.

Considering there's no such thing as a partial qualifier, that seems unlikely. He definitely did want the admission policies loosened, but to put that sort of number on it is inaccurate.

Anyway, here are the reasons that Stoops or Meyer go to ND:

Stoops - OU fans are getting restless and he risks getting Tubervilled if they don't quickly reload and frankly win an NC. Too many near misses and embarrassments (e.g. Boise State; last year in the NC game) piling up. ND gives him a fresh start and if he feels the talent is there and coaching is the problem, then he has a chance to win quickly.

Meyer - Notre Dame is his dream job; he's said as much. He has already won two titles at UF; he has nothing left to prove there. If he truly loves Notre Dame and wants to see them restored to prominence, then he'll leave and go do it.

I wonder if Brian Kelly can make a demand type of schedule he willing to play to be a HC at ND. They can recruit most kids around the country but unlike other major program they don’t host MAC teams and/or FCS teams. It’s very hard to be a HC at ND when TV demanded that type schedule. They can experiment with this for a few more years with another coach then they need to decide, with the changing landscape of college where every college team can be see every day of the week on ESPN, where they need to go all-sport or semi (6 games). HA – HA, I broke the rule.

I hope he stay at Cincinnati until they expand their stadium. It’s too bad if he leave when he just started. There is no guarantee success look at Colorado and Michigan State. He still has a better chance playing in championship game where he is than ND unless he can do something difference with the schedule.

So if Meyer goes to Notre Dame, is UF pressured to hire from within and go with Charlie Strong? I have no way of knowing if Strong would be a good or bad coach, but I would see him being the strong media favorite to succeed Meyer. If that happens that changes the dynamic of the post season coaching carousel and means that Kelly stays in UC.

It wouldn't surprise me if Meyer goes to ND b/c there is nothing left to prove at Florida. If he can bring ND back to prominence it would mean more than just being a great coach at Florida. National appeal vs regional success. His ego is big enough to want a piece of that action...