Does this guy have a family?

(11-09-2009 03:47 PM)GGniner Wrote:  

(11-09-2009 01:27 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  You can't really differentiate between radical and everyday muslims. If you kick them out you will be putting some honest people out of a job and out of the country.

In WW2 you could have a hard time distinguishing between Nazi's and regular Germans.

Look as Islamist praise the Fort Hood Shooting on the streets of NYC

People like this should be arrested, put on trial, and executed.

**** Islam.

Time for political correctness to be destroyed, before it destroys us all.

(11-09-2009 01:26 PM)I45owl Wrote:  How do you think declaring "war on <insert-meaningless-adjective> Islam" could possibly be productive? Whatever adjective you use there, over a Billion Muslims will disregard it and look at it (rightly) as an attack on their faith.

Aren't we already defending ourselves against their faith? How come they can't see our point of view? Why are we always the ones backing down and apologizing?

I think there will be massive "house cleaning" at Army CID over this. There will be finger pointing between Army CID and the FBI, with the FBI saying "He is an Army Officer, we gave them the data, so its the Army's problem" and the FBI will win, simply because it has more clout in Congress.

Fort Hood suspect was under FBI probe in 2008

WASHINGTON — The FBI and the Army last year investigated contacts between a Yemen-based militant Islamist prayer leader and the Army psychiatrist accused of last week’s deadly shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas, but they dropped the case after concluding that he didn’t pose a terrorist threat, a senior federal law enforcement official said Monday.

The disclosure on Monday that Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan communicated with an imam who had ties to Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers was sure to raise the question of whether U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies had information that, if properly shared and investigated, might have helped to prevent the attack.

Even before that disclosure, lawmakers were calling for inquiries into whether the Army, the FBI and the U.S. intelligence community missed warning signs about Hasan’s increasing radicalization in the months before last Thursday’s killing spree.

“I think the very fact that you’ve got a major in the U.S. Army contacting this guy (a radical imam), or attempting to contact him, would raise some red flags,” said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee. Hoekstra said his office has been contacted by U.S. officials involved in the case who believe that “the system just broke down.”

The federal law enforcement official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the case is ongoing, said that all the facts are not yet known because the FBI and Army are poring over numerous e-mails sent by Hasan to Awlaki and other Islamist figures.

But he said that the information known to authorities at the time did not in any way suggest that Hasan was growing violent or that he was involved in “any terrorist planning or plotting.”

“I don’t know if it will greatly affect our assessment of the case, what motivated him. It remains to be seen whether this means anything or not,” said the federal official, adding that authorities still believe Hasan acted alone when firing a minutes-long spray of bullets that killed 13 people and injured another 29.

The official said that Hasan did not appear to have known Awlaki in person, except perhaps in passing, even though the militant prayer leader was the imam at a Virginia mosque that Hasan attended in 2001.

The mosque drew the attention of the FBI at the time, and later the Sept. 11 commission, because of Awlaki’s connection to at least two of the Sept. 11 hijackers, who may have followed him from a mosque in San Diego to the Dar al-Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church, Va., in early 2001.

Awlaki, a U.S. citizen, left the United States in 2002 and is believed to be in Yemen and actively supporting the Islamist jihad, or holy war against the West, through his Web site.

Several U.S. officials said U.S. intelligence agencies first intercepted communications between Hasan and Awlaki starting in late 2008 as a result of another investigation, and that the information was given to one U.S.-based multi-agency Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTFF) and then to another one based at the Washington Field Office because of Hasan’s assignment at the Walter Reed medical center.

The Washington task force, which included FBI agents and Army criminal investigative personnel, launched a probe and determined that Hasan was contacting the radical cleric — who has ties to other al-Qaida-affiliated individuals — “within the context of the doctor’s position and what he was doing at the time, conducting research ... on the issues of Muslims in the military and the effects of war in Muslim countries.”

Talk about the biggesty CYA Statement of all time

The federal official said Hasan had “reached out to Awlaki several times before he got a response,” and that there was little in the correspondence to raise serious red flags.

But Hoekstra expressed frustration with the handling of the intelligence on Hasan, saying that authorities underestimated the significance of the material they had obtained.

Awlaki’s responses to Hasan were regarded by U.S. authorities as “relatively innocuous,” Hoekstra said. Even so, the lawmaker said, the communications should have triggered a serious response “regardless of the content.”

Authorities appear to have been looking for evidence of direction from overseas or communication involving a developing plot, Hoekstra said. “They’re looking for somebody to say, ‘Go,’ “ Hoekstra said.

“But I don’t think that’s the kind of organization (al-Qaida) is trying to set up. They’re more in the world of: ‘If you see an opportunity, take advantage of it, and you don’t have to get it approved at headquarters.’ “

The federal official defended the bureau’s handling of the matter. “The process worked,” the official said. “It was evaluated by one JTTF and sent to another JTTF based on what information they had at the time. More investigation was done, and ultimately a judgment was made that” it did not merit further investigation.

Authorities continue to pore over Hasan’s e-mails and other information to see who else he contacted and whether authorities dropped the ball by not continuing to investigate Hasan.

“If we find in his e-mails that he reached out to all kinds of other people for input,” that assessment could change, said the official. “We just don’t have the full context yet.”

Hasan appears to have surfaced on U.S. surveillance inadvertently. The National Security Agency eavesdrops on electronic communications around the world, and routinely monitors the e-mails and calls of figures such as Awlaki.

The emerging details are likely to draw parallels with intelligence breakdowns that preceded the Sept. 11 attacks, when the CIA, NSA, FBI and other agencies failed to recognize or share information that may have helped uncover the plot.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metr...12102.html

Also, we can't forget this scumbag...

Ali Abdul Saoud Mohamed, (Ali Abdelsoud Mohammed) also known as Ali Mohammed (علي محمد) (born June 3, 1952) (sometimes called "al-Amriki", the American) is a militant who fits the profile of a double agent, according to Larry Johnson (former deputy chief of counter-terrorism at the US State Department).

Mohamed worked for the CIA, and US special forces, at different times during the 1980s and 1990s. In the same period, he also co-operated with Egyptian Islamic Jihad and al-Qaeda.

In the 1980s Mohamed trained anti-Soviet fighters en route to Afghanistan. FBI special agent Jack Cloonan called him "bin Laden's first trainer". Mohamed was charged with the August 7, 1998 bombings of the United States' embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. In October 2000, he pleaded guilty to five counts of conspiracy to kill nationals of the United States and officers or employees of the U.S. government on account of their official duties, to murder and kidnap, and to destroy U.S. property.

Mohamed has been described as "Six-foot one, 200 pounds, and exceptionally fit, ... a martial artist and skilled linguist who spoke fluent English, French, and Hebrew in addition to his native Arabic. He was disciplined, clever, and gregarious, with a marked facility for making friends."

Mohamed was a major in the Egyptian army's military intelligence unit, until being discharged for suspected fundamentalism in 1984. A member of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ), he is reported to have been given the task of penetrating American intelligence by EIJ leader Ayman Zawahiri. He was not successful in that but did succeed in enlisting in the U.S. Army and using U.S. military information to train al-Qaeda and other Muslim militants, and write al-Qaeda's multivolume terrorist training guide.


In 1984 Mohamed offered his services to the CIA in Cairo station and was stationed in Hamburg Germany. There he "entered a mosque associated with Hezbollah and immediately told the Iranian cleric in charge that he was an American spy assigned to infiltrate the community." The mosque had already been penetrated and his announcement was passed on to the CIA, which, according to Lawrence Wright, "terminated Mohamed" and "sent out cables labeling him highly untrustworthy." By this "time, however, Mohamed was already in California on a visa-waiver program that was sponsored by the agency itself, one designed to shield valuable assets or those who have performed important services for the country."

In America he married an American woman from Santa Clara, California after a 6 week courtship and became a U.S. citizen. He enlisted in the U.S. Army and managed to get stationed at the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School at Fort Bragg, North Carolina until 1989. "His awed superiors found him 'beyond reproach' and 'consistently accomplished'."

According to Cooperative Research, Mohamed was a Drill sergeant at Fort Bragg, and was hired to teach courses on Arabic culture at the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center.

In 1988 Mohamed informed his superior officers in the U.S. Army that he was taking some leave time to fight Soviets in Afghanistan. "A month later, he returned, boasting that he had killed two Soviet soldiers and giving away as souvenirs what he claimed were their uniform belts."

Mohamed's commanding officer, Lt. Col. Robert Anderson, said he wrote detailed reports aimed at getting Army intelligence to investigate Mohamed — and have him court-martialed — but the reports were ignored.

"I think you or I would have a better chance of winning Powerball, than an Egyptian major in the unit that assassinated Sadat would have getting a visa, getting to California ... getting into the Army and getting assigned to a Special Forces unit," he said. "That just doesn't happen."

It was equally unthinkable that an ordinary American GI would go unpunished after fighting in a foreign war, he said.

Anderson said all this convinced him that Mohamed was "sponsored" by a U.S. intelligence service. "I assumed the CIA," he said.

Mohamed also took maps and training manuals off base to downsize and copy at Kinko's and used them to write al-Qaeda's multivolume terrorist training guide that became playbook. On weekends he commuted to Brooklyn and Jersey city, where he trained Muslim militants in military tactics. Among them were members of al-Jihad, including el-Sayyid Nosair, a fellow Egyptian who would kill Rabbi Meir Kahane, the Jewish extremist, in 1990.

Mohamed also conducted clandestine military and demolition training through the Al Kifah Refugee Center. While in the United States, he helped train a number of jihadis, like El Sayyid Nosair (who killed Rabbi Meir Kahane, head of the militant, terror linked Jewish Defense League in New York City) and Mahmud Abouhalima, who assisted Ramzi Yousef in his 1993 attack on the World Trade Center. Mohamed associated with clerics like Abdel-Rahman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Mohamed

(11-09-2009 10:15 AM)GGniner Wrote:  Given what we know about Hasan, how many more are possibly in the Military and what do we do about it?

Declare war on radical(Orthodox) Islam? Internment domestically? Stop all Immigration from Islamic Countries and clamp down on borders(knowing political consequences domestically)? Risk major oil shortages and trade blockades... causing Global Depression, paticularly when we can't tap into more of our own oil? What to do with CAIR........lots of questions here. My guess is we keep dancing around the obvious questions with rhetoric which makes many of us squirm("Religion of Peace"), etc., and pick and choose enemies that empower the Jihadist forces abroad(Taliban, Saddam, Iran...) while ignoring those forces that exist Domestically(certain Mosque, CAIR, and the ideology of Orthodox Islam itself).

Now, given the rampant Relativism in our humanist Culture the larger question is how and are we past the point of no return? How do you win if you can't call a Spade a Spade?

Seems to me they have us by the short hairs, ironically when we have lots of Material strength we have a major shortage of Immaterial Strength.

We should kill any and all Muslims in the military. After that, we need to round up all Muslims in this country and put them in concentration camps. Then we nuke Mecca as well as the rest of the Middle East. We need to make this a Crusade! Jesus or bust!

Signed, GGniner.

(11-09-2009 11:28 AM)I45owl Wrote:  Simple - outlaw religion. Shut down all places of worship. Problem solved.

I would LOVE to see that tried in Texass.

(11-09-2009 11:33 AM)Paul M Wrote:  This murdering SOB frequented nudie bars. Was he Orthodox or not? I say watch 'em all.

You are one really screwed up man.

(11-09-2009 11:53 AM)GGniner Wrote:  any Muslim can read Surahs 9:5, 9:29, and 9:111 plus the Sahih Bukhari and come to the same conclusions Muhammad did:

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/...2.sbt.html

Quote:Volume 4, Book 52, Number 50:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, “A single endeavor (of fighting) in Allah’s Cause in the forenoon or in the afternoon is better than the world and whatever is in it.”

Muhammad did such things and advocated the same for his followers. Muhammad is the Muslim par excellence. He wasn’t some peaceful guy like Jesus.

Followers of the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world are not, by definition, going to act like followers of a guy who claimed that “paradise is found under the shade of swords.” At least, if they do, they’re doing it in spite of what they’re taught. Muslims are simply characterized by violence against unbelievers because that is how their religion has spread for over 1000 years.

(11-09-2009 12:44 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(11-09-2009 11:28 AM)I45owl Wrote:  Simple - outlaw Islam. Shut down all Mosques and increase the numbers of Christian churches. Problem solved.

Yep...that works. Take away Liberties of all because of the Islamic murderers.

Come to think of it. I should have fixed his post. I will do it now.

(11-09-2009 09:19 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(11-09-2009 03:47 PM)GGniner Wrote:  

(11-09-2009 01:27 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  You can't really differentiate between radical and everyday muslims. If you kick them out you will be putting some honest people out of a job and out of the country.

In WW2 you could have a hard time distinguishing between Nazi's and regular Germans.

Look as Islamist praise the Fort Hood Shooting on the streets of NYC

People like this should be arrested, put on trial, and executed.

**** Islam.

Time for political correctness to be destroyed, before it destroys us all.

Sad. Very sad.

All of these questions wouldn't be as necessary if the US didn't restrict some free speech over others.

(11-09-2009 11:17 AM)GGniner Wrote:  

(11-09-2009 10:41 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Real easy to screen people.

Part of your Security Clearance involves your religious beliefs. The Air Force investigated an enlisted man because he was a White Supremacist and attended the "church" set up by the Aryan Nation.

They threw his ass right out of the Air Force.

If you go to a church, temple, mosque, etc that preaches hate, you get tossed out of the military. Easy as that.

Its Politically Correct to locate and remove Aryan Nation members. Not so much the "Religion of Peace" and other minority groups.

The larger problem is identifying the Orthodox Muslims from the less serious, non-Orthodox Muslims.

Either way, when we are basically at war with the teachings in both the Quran and Hadith, and the "Prophet" himself, letting members of that religion in our Armed Forces is risky, as is our Immigration policy.

That is very true. Also the orthodox guys, imo, have a difficult time dating, getting married, and living within a secular culture. When they get outside of their orthodox zip code they struggle and get real angry.

(11-10-2009 08:52 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  All of these questions wouldn't be as necessary if the US didn't restrict some free speech over others.

What do you mean by this?

Freedom of speech at work or a sign of possible trouble we'll ignore in the name of political correctness?

(11-10-2009 03:42 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(11-09-2009 12:44 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(11-09-2009 11:28 AM)I45owl Wrote:  Simple - outlaw Islam. Shut down all Mosques and increase the numbers of Christian churches. Problem solved.

Yep...that works. Take away Liberties of all because of the Islamic murderers.

Come to think of it. I should have fixed his post. I will do it now.

We need a Gestapo in this country so we know what Americans are doing. We need to spy on each other more. Too much freedom in this country. I turn people in to the authorities when I think they are dangerous. It's the negredation of America.

(11-10-2009 06:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Freedom of speech at work or a sign of possible trouble we'll ignore in the name of political correctness?

I think this guy should be worried...

(11-10-2009 07:37 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(11-10-2009 06:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Freedom of speech at work or a sign of possible trouble we'll ignore in the name of political correctness?

I think this guy should be worried...

How much is OJ paying a Prison Gang to avoid becoming someone's wife?

(11-10-2009 07:39 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  How much is OJ paying a Prison Gang to avoid becoming someone's wife?

Dude was a porn star. My guess is that it's either like 1001 Arabian Nights in there or ...