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RochesterFalcon Wrote:It could be that liberals read.
Shall I bring up "Slander" by Ann Coulter, "Let Freedom Ring" by Sean Hannity, "The No Spin Zone" by Bill O'Reilly, or any other books? Has that prick Moore EVER been #1?
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RochesterFalcon Wrote:If every metropolitan area in America gave like Salt Lake City, it would still be drops in a bucket compared with the savagery people like you want to inflict on our nation's social welfare system.
This is NOT a damn Welfare State and a welfare system is unconstitutional!!! The government doesn't make money, I make money and they take it from me and give it to a bunch of lazy-******, non-producers that the world would be better off without.



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Quote:This is NOT a damn Welfare State

Who says?

Quote:and a welfare system is unconstitutional!!!

Remind me not to hire you if I ever get into a legal scrape.

Quote:The government doesn't make money, I make money and they take it from me and give it to a bunch of lazy-******, non-producers that the world would be better off without.

Yeah... like your grandmother?



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RochesterFalcon Wrote:Yeah... like your grandmother?
I don't believe in Social Security EITHER! I believe we should pay for the ones already retired, but I will gladly give up ALL I have paid in to get out of this socialist plan. I don't NEED the damn government planning my future. ....yes, it's unconstitutional.
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If you can't make it in this great country, its your fault. If you can't find a job, MOVE. If you want nice things, don't do drugs, have kids and expect us, meaning people that bust our asses to work and pay taxes, to pay for your way. I drive through Baltimore and see lots of healthy men and boys doing nothing but hanging out on the corners and furthering their downward spiral. A spiral brought on by the mis-placed efforts of well meaning Liberals. You guys make me sick.
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So you are saying his grandmother should get a job?
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RochesterFalcon Wrote:So you are saying his grandmother should get a job?
My grandmother makes more than I do with her retirement account. Trust me, she doesn't need the little bit from Social Security.
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Social Security should be an option not a mandate.Why should i want the government to take my money now so they can give a small portion of it back after i retire.For those who want to participate in the program so be it.For those of us that dont shouldnt have to pay in to this toilet called Social Security.
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Jesus H. This thread was started 6 years ago and the same arguments exist today.
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http://www.breakpoint.org/listingarticle.asp?ID=11082

BreakPoint Commentaries
The Peril of Disregarding the Past
By Chuck Colson
2/16/2009

Liberalism and Conservatism


In a recent New York Times column, David Brooks told a story that perfectly captured the divide between what I call “traditional conservatism” and liberalism—“liberalism,” which historically is a good term, but has been perverted.

He quoted a report by a Harvard faculty committee, which read, “The aim of a liberal education . . . is to unsettle presumptions, to defamiliarize the familiar . . . [and] to disorient young people and to help them to find ways to reorient themselves . . .”

The report helps us understand why higher education has been corrupted, and why we are producing a generation of barbarians.

The language Brooks quotes goes far beyond teaching critical thinking or even encouraging students to, as the old bumper sticker used to say, “question authority.”

As Brooks rightly argues, the report describes “an entire way of living.” In this way of living, “individuals should . . . be skeptical of preexisting arrangements . . . break free from the way they were raised . . . [and] discover their own values.”

This disregard for the past seems even natural in our day because, as Brooks notes, our cultural norms exalt the individual over the institution—so much so that appeals to things such as institutional memory are regarded as primitive.

Thus, we are increasingly unable to understand ideas such as those expressed by former Chicago Cub Ryne Sandberg at his induction into Baseball’s Hall of Fame. He spoke of the respect due the game, his teammates, opponents, and, most of all, those who had played the game before him.

If this brings to mind the biblical phrase “the great cloud of witnesses,” it should. What Brooks wrote about institutions is in accord with Christian ideas about the role and importance of tradition.

One of the best exponents of this was G.K. Chesterton. In his book Orthodoxy, he wrote, “Tradition means giving a vote to most obscure of all classes, our ancestors.” And he wrote that “tradition asks us not to neglect a good man's opinion, even if he is our father.”

It’s not only respect for tradition that’s involved here—it’s prudence. These institutions and arrangements have helped to preserve the moral order, which is our first duty to maintain. They have been shaped by people who took into account the world as it is—filled with fallen human beings—instead of an imaginary utopia filled with perfectible people.

This respect is why true conservatism is a disposition, not an ideology. It doesn’t seek to reinvent man and his world—its concerns are about what T.S. Eliot called the “permanent things.”

In contrast, perverted modern liberalism, which includes many who call themselves “conservatives,” is about innovation, breaking from the past, upsetting the established order, and maximizing individual autonomy.

But this is precisely the worldview that has brought us to the economic crisis we face today. People of all stripes—bankers, bureaucrats, and John and Jane Q. Public—all cast off those stuffy old virtues like thrift, avoiding debt, delaying gratification, and they “reoriented” themselves and all of us into a global recession.

Whoever said worldview doesn’t matter?
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I'm for social security because those people worked for the benefit. I to see too many people on the corners doing nothing. Poverty is a ***** boys. I've had the pleasure of living in inner city Cleveland for the last year. Put my wallet in my front pocket and walk two blocks twice a week. I have no ill will towards the poor but they need motivation to escape their lot in life. I can't stand the fact that Democrats are lumped in with the dead beats who won't get a job. Reb paints with a broad brush always has. He totally ignores the N.E. whose population has the highest I.Q. and vote overwhelmingly blue. With the exception of Vanderbilt and Rice I can't think of an academic institution in the south that is respected for it's academics. It is what it is.
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(02-16-2009 09:38 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I'm for social security because those people worked for the benefit. I to see too many people on the corners doing nothing. Poverty is a ***** boys. I've had the pleasure of living in inner city Cleveland for the last year. Put my wallet in my front pocket and walk two blocks twice a week. I have no ill will towards the poor but they need motivation to escape their lot in life. I can't stand the fact that Democrats are lumped in with the dead beats who won't get a job. Reb paints with a broad brush always has. He totally ignores the N.E. whose population has the highest I.Q. and vote overwhelmingly blue. With the exception of Vanderbilt and Rice I can't think of an academic institution in the south that is respected for it's academics. It is what it is.

UVa, Duke, Tulane, UNC, Wake Forest.

As for high IQs voting blue, do you think conflict of interest comes into play? How many of these people work for the gov't?

You think people need to be motivated to get off the street...but you support policies that take away motivation? Where's the high IQ in that?
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(04-30-2003 11:07 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
bigolhawg Wrote:I could get on here and defend liberalism, but I can already tell its a lost cause. You fellas have the answers for all questions, and obviously {SNIP}
Basically, he's saying he can't reply with any facts.....just rhetoric that can be negated with any damn websearch out there.


Liberals should hate the Internet.

.... AND talk radio. They cannot hide anywhere, anything ... any more !
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(02-16-2009 09:59 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 09:38 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I'm for social security because those people worked for the benefit. I to see too many people on the corners doing nothing. Poverty is a ***** boys. I've had the pleasure of living in inner city Cleveland for the last year. Put my wallet in my front pocket and walk two blocks twice a week. I have no ill will towards the poor but they need motivation to escape their lot in life. I can't stand the fact that Democrats are lumped in with the dead beats who won't get a job. Reb paints with a broad brush always has. He totally ignores the N.E. whose population has the highest I.Q. and vote overwhelmingly blue. With the exception of Vanderbilt and Rice I can't think of an academic institution in the south that is respected for it's academics. It is what it is.

UVa, Duke, Tulane, UNC, Wake Forest.

As for high IQs voting blue, do you think conflict of interest comes into play? How many of these people work for the gov't?

You think people need to be motivated to get off the street...but you support policies that take away motivation? Where's the high IQ in that?

They are privileged and therefore feel GUILT for all their advantages. Hence they pander to those that they feel guilt about. The two extremes of economic positions.

Those that can do. Those that can't teach ... sorta and so on and so on and so on. Being a bit simplistic here, but it's the damn truth. :muttering:
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The MAN in my signature is a bootstraps kind of man. Read his story, if you don't know about him There is a link in the signature. USE IT.

He sure as hell got the attention of the Senate with his take on the auto industry debacle. It's a whole new ball game as a result.
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(02-16-2009 09:38 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I'm for social security because those people worked for the benefit. I to see too many people on the corners doing nothing. Poverty is a ***** boys. I've had the pleasure of living in inner city Cleveland for the last year. Put my wallet in my front pocket and walk two blocks twice a week. I have no ill will towards the poor but they need motivation to escape their lot in life. I can't stand the fact that Democrats are lumped in with the dead beats who won't get a job. Reb paints with a broad brush always has. He totally ignores the N.E. whose population has the highest I.Q. and vote overwhelmingly blue. With the exception of Vanderbilt and Rice I can't think of an academic institution in the south that is respected for it's academics. It is what it is.

Want to motivate them?....End the welfare state and let private charity take care of those in real need.

Add Davidson, Emory,The Citadel,VMI,George Mason to Torch's list.
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(02-16-2009 10:25 AM)tigertom Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 09:59 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 09:38 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I'm for social security because those people worked for the benefit. I to see too many people on the corners doing nothing. Poverty is a ***** boys. I've had the pleasure of living in inner city Cleveland for the last year. Put my wallet in my front pocket and walk two blocks twice a week. I have no ill will towards the poor but they need motivation to escape their lot in life. I can't stand the fact that Democrats are lumped in with the dead beats who won't get a job. Reb paints with a broad brush always has. He totally ignores the N.E. whose population has the highest I.Q. and vote overwhelmingly blue. With the exception of Vanderbilt and Rice I can't think of an academic institution in the south that is respected for it's academics. It is what it is.

UVa, Duke, Tulane, UNC, Wake Forest.

As for high IQs voting blue, do you think conflict of interest comes into play? How many of these people work for the gov't?

You think people need to be motivated to get off the street...but you support policies that take away motivation? Where's the high IQ in that?

They are privileged and therefore feel GUILT for all their advantages. Hence they pander to those that they feel guilt about. The two extremes of economic positions.

Those that can do. Those that can't teach ... sorta and so on and so on and so on. Being a bit simplistic here, but it's the damn truth. :muttering:

There is a lot of truth in that.

There's another piece similar to the guilt, and that's just a lack of appreciation for what came before. The priveleged middle class, who can go to college and pursue things like journalism, social work, etc, has no idea of what challenges went into building the society they critique.

They don't work hard, so they can't figure out why anyone else should be expected to work hard.
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(02-16-2009 10:48 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 10:25 AM)tigertom Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 09:59 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 09:38 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I'm for social security because those people worked for the benefit. I to see too many people on the corners doing nothing. Poverty is a ***** boys. I've had the pleasure of living in inner city Cleveland for the last year. Put my wallet in my front pocket and walk two blocks twice a week. I have no ill will towards the poor but they need motivation to escape their lot in life. I can't stand the fact that Democrats are lumped in with the dead beats who won't get a job. Reb paints with a broad brush always has. He totally ignores the N.E. whose population has the highest I.Q. and vote overwhelmingly blue. With the exception of Vanderbilt and Rice I can't think of an academic institution in the south that is respected for it's academics. It is what it is.

UVa, Duke, Tulane, UNC, Wake Forest.

As for high IQs voting blue, do you think conflict of interest comes into play? How many of these people work for the gov't?

You think people need to be motivated to get off the street...but you support policies that take away motivation? Where's the high IQ in that?

They are privileged and therefore feel GUILT for all their advantages. Hence they pander to those that they feel guilt about. The two extremes of economic positions.

Those that can do. Those that can't teach ... sorta and so on and so on and so on. Being a bit simplistic here, but it's the damn truth. :muttering:

There is a lot of truth in that.

There's another piece similar to the guilt, and that's just a lack of appreciation for what came before. The priveleged middle class, who can go to college and pursue things like journalism, social work, etc, has no idea of what challenges went into building the society they critique.

They don't work hard, so they can't figure out why anyone else should be expected to work hard.

So you have to be liberal to go into journalism? Might want to tell that to Robert McCormick
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(02-16-2009 11:00 AM)niuhuskie84 Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 10:48 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 10:25 AM)tigertom Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 09:59 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(02-16-2009 09:38 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I'm for social security because those people worked for the benefit. I to see too many people on the corners doing nothing. Poverty is a ***** boys. I've had the pleasure of living in inner city Cleveland for the last year. Put my wallet in my front pocket and walk two blocks twice a week. I have no ill will towards the poor but they need motivation to escape their lot in life. I can't stand the fact that Democrats are lumped in with the dead beats who won't get a job. Reb paints with a broad brush always has. He totally ignores the N.E. whose population has the highest I.Q. and vote overwhelmingly blue. With the exception of Vanderbilt and Rice I can't think of an academic institution in the south that is respected for it's academics. It is what it is.

UVa, Duke, Tulane, UNC, Wake Forest.

As for high IQs voting blue, do you think conflict of interest comes into play? How many of these people work for the gov't?

You think people need to be motivated to get off the street...but you support policies that take away motivation? Where's the high IQ in that?

They are privileged and therefore feel GUILT for all their advantages. Hence they pander to those that they feel guilt about. The two extremes of economic positions.

Those that can do. Those that can't teach ... sorta and so on and so on and so on. Being a bit simplistic here, but it's the damn truth. :muttering:

There is a lot of truth in that.

There's another piece similar to the guilt, and that's just a lack of appreciation for what came before. The priveleged middle class, who can go to college and pursue things like journalism, social work, etc, has no idea of what challenges went into building the society they critique.

They don't work hard, so they can't figure out why anyone else should be expected to work hard.

So you have to be liberal to go into journalism? Might want to tell that to Robert McCormick

What is the political persuasion of the vast majority of people in journalism?

Or do you need to add a stupid comment just to feel a part of things?
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(02-16-2009 09:38 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I'm for social security because those people worked for the benefit. I to see too many people on the corners doing nothing. Poverty is a ***** boys. I've had the pleasure of living in inner city Cleveland for the last year. Put my wallet in my front pocket and walk two blocks twice a week. I have no ill will towards the poor but they need motivation to escape their lot in life. I can't stand the fact that Democrats are lumped in with the dead beats who won't get a job. Reb paints with a broad brush always has. He totally ignores the N.E. whose population has the highest I.Q. and vote overwhelmingly blue. With the exception of Vanderbilt and Rice I can't think of an academic institution in the south that is respected for it's academics. It is what it is.

Not trying to pick on you Mach... I just pulled your post out because though we disagree on many issues, you carry on intelligent banter.

There are MANY more "good" schools in the south than those two... but you must remember how much younger these other states are than New England. You must also remember who settled these states. It wasn't generally the upper crust of New England. Most Universities were established with the goal of educating those around them... and for many schools in the south and west, that meant farmers/ranchers etc... not businessmen. You must also remember that the south frequently sent its finest to the north for education, because thats where the schools were. It is why Vandy and Rice were built.

Interestingly, if you think about how immigrants typically came to this country... New England's public education system was never forced to educate its immigrants in their native tongue. Sure, a school in or near "little Italy" might have many Italian speaking teachers who helped their students, but it was mandated that the students learn English, not the other way around.

I'd also argue that while some people suffer from the guilt of success, others have an inclusive nature... I'm wealthy, why can't everyone be? Socialism sounds GREAT on paper, and many wealthy people (especially those that didn't actually earn it themselves) don't value the labor that it took to get them where they are. No offense intended to anyone in particular, but do we honestly believe that our sports and movie figures EARN millions of dollars for their work? I think Yao Ming works very hard on the court and has a myriad of responsibilities... but I've seen single moms who work much harder for much less... and isn't that what all this taxation is about?? Tax those who don't (in our own personal minds) deserve it??
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