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RE: PCSA and the ACC
(10-11-2026 09:05 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  When we are talking a P2 who in the ACC should be apart of it? For that kind of $ you have to deliver more than just a market, you have to deliver ratings as well. Totaling the ratings numbers from the ACC Ratings Tracker thread from last season & adding this seasons numbers, this is our ratings standing. Clearly there are only 4 or 5 that deliver both. Most of the rest would be quality members of a P3 or Mid 1, whichever you prefer to call it.

ACC Rating Rankings 2025-26 Total
1 Miami 46.355M
2 FSU 41.65M
3 Clemson 38.587M
4 GT 31.299M
5 NC 25.376M
6 Pitt 17.829M
7 Louisville 16.426M
8 Virginia Tech 14.704M
9 Virginia 13.07M
10 Syracuse 12.827M
11 Stanford 11.23M
12 NC State 10.808M
13 SMU 10.797M
14 Cal 8.827M
15 Wake Forest 8.803M
16 Duke 6.804M
17 BC 5.962M

FSU may be the public face of an ACC separation but I find it hard to believe they are the only ones working behind the scenes. There are no bad guys here, these schools are looking out for themselves & it’s business. I wish Louisville was one of the ones working behind the scenes. Frankly, I think we deserve to be there over Purdue, Vandy & such. I’m hoping this works out for everyone.

04-cheers to that!
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RE: PCSA and the ACC
(10-11-2026 01:51 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  
(10-11-2026 09:05 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  When we are talking a P2 who in the ACC should be apart of it? For that kind of $ you have to deliver more than just a market, you have to deliver ratings as well. Totaling the ratings numbers from the ACC Ratings Tracker thread from last season & adding this seasons numbers, this is our ratings standing. Clearly there are only 4 or 5 that deliver both. Most of the rest would be quality members of a P3 or Mid 1, whichever you prefer to call it.

ACC Rating Rankings 2025-26 Total
1 Miami 46.355M
2 FSU 41.65M
3 Clemson 38.587M
4 GT 31.299M
5 NC 25.376M
6 Pitt 17.829M
7 Louisville 16.426M
8 Virginia Tech 14.704M
9 Virginia 13.07M
10 Syracuse 12.827M
11 Stanford 11.23M
12 NC State 10.808M
13 SMU 10.797M
14 Cal 8.827M
15 Wake Forest 8.803M
16 Duke 6.804M
17 BC 5.962M

FSU may be the public face of an ACC separation but I find it hard to believe they are the only ones working behind the scenes. There are no bad guys here, these schools are looking out for themselves & it’s business. I wish Louisville was one of the ones working behind the scenes. Frankly, I think we deserve to be there over Purdue, Vandy & such. I’m hoping this works out for everyone.

04-cheers to that!

Yep, this deserves credence.
Academia, as well.
Who votes?
Presidents.
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RE: PCSA and the ACC
(10-11-2026 09:05 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  When we are talking a P2 who in the ACC should be apart of it? For that kind of $ you have to deliver more than just a market, you have to deliver ratings as well. Totaling the ratings numbers from the ACC Ratings Tracker thread from last season & adding this seasons numbers, this is our ratings standing. Clearly there are only 4 or 5 that deliver both. Most of the rest would be quality members of a P3 or Mid 1, whichever you prefer to call it.

ACC Rating Rankings 2025-26 Total
1 Miami 46.355M
2 FSU 41.65M
3 Clemson 38.587M
4 GT 31.299M
5 NC 25.376M
6 Pitt 17.829M
7 Louisville 16.426M
8 Virginia Tech 14.704M
9 Virginia 13.07M
10 Syracuse 12.827M
11 Stanford 11.23M
12 NC State 10.808M
13 SMU 10.797M
14 Cal 8.827M
15 Wake Forest 8.803M
16 Duke 6.804M
17 BC 5.962M

FSU may be the public face of an ACC separation but I find it hard to believe they are the only ones working behind the scenes. There are no bad guys here, these schools are looking out for themselves & it’s business. I wish Louisville was one of the ones working behind the scenes. Frankly, I think we deserve to be there over Purdue, Vandy & such. I’m hoping this works out for everyone.

Any school added to the B1G or SEC will improve ratings. I am not sure that's the most important factor, but surely it is one factor.
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RE: PCSA and the ACC
(10-11-2026 05:07 PM)OrangemanRich Wrote:  
(10-11-2026 01:51 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  
(10-11-2026 09:05 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  When we are talking a P2 who in the ACC should be apart of it? For that kind of $ you have to deliver more than just a market, you have to deliver ratings as well. Totaling the ratings numbers from the ACC Ratings Tracker thread from last season & adding this seasons numbers, this is our ratings standing. Clearly there are only 4 or 5 that deliver both. Most of the rest would be quality members of a P3 or Mid 1, whichever you prefer to call it.

ACC Rating Rankings 2025-26 Total
1 Miami 46.355M
2 FSU 41.65M
3 Clemson 38.587M
4 GT 31.299M
5 NC 25.376M
6 Pitt 17.829M
7 Louisville 16.426M
8 Virginia Tech 14.704M
9 Virginia 13.07M
10 Syracuse 12.827M
11 Stanford 11.23M
12 NC State 10.808M
13 SMU 10.797M
14 Cal 8.827M
15 Wake Forest 8.803M
16 Duke 6.804M
17 BC 5.962M

FSU may be the public face of an ACC separation but I find it hard to believe they are the only ones working behind the scenes. There are no bad guys here, these schools are looking out for themselves & it’s business. I wish Louisville was one of the ones working behind the scenes. Frankly, I think we deserve to be there over Purdue, Vandy & such. I’m hoping this works out for everyone.

04-cheers to that!

Yep, this deserves credence.
Academia, as well.
Who votes?
Presidents.

We do know at least four schools are working very much in front of the scenes, and their proposal would enable ten spots at P2 level.
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I keep coming back to the idea the four ACC schools are over-asking in order to get the purgatory period totally removed. I just don't see the need to increase the cap for FSU and Miami. However, Carolina may want to increase the cap in order to move to the B1G. The SEC has plenty of room with a 20-school cap. That said, any school would benefit from the limbo period being totally eliminated.

Regardless, I keep being told a Blue Wave is on the horizon and that doesn't really bode well for this bill as is. I could see the Dems shutting it down after elections in order to alter a bunch of language once they bolster their ranks.
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(10-11-2026 12:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(10-11-2026 09:05 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  When we are talking a P2 who in the ACC should be apart of it? For that kind of $ you have to deliver more than just a market, you have to deliver ratings as well. Totaling the ratings numbers from the ACC Ratings Tracker thread from last season & adding this seasons numbers, this is our ratings standing. Clearly there are only 4 or 5 that deliver both. Most of the rest would be quality members of a P3 or Mid 1, whichever you prefer to call it.

ACC Rating Rankings 2025-26 Total
1 Miami 46.355M
2 FSU 41.65M
3 Clemson 38.587M
4 GT 31.299M
5 NC 25.376M
6 Pitt 17.829M
7 Louisville 16.426M
8 Virginia Tech 14.704M
9 Virginia 13.07M
10 Syracuse 12.827M
11 Stanford 11.23M
12 NC State 10.808M
13 SMU 10.797M
14 Cal 8.827M
15 Wake Forest 8.803M
16 Duke 6.804M
17 BC 5.962M

FSU may be the public face of an ACC separation but I find it hard to believe they are the only ones working behind the scenes. There are no bad guys here, these schools are looking out for themselves & it’s business. I wish Louisville was one of the ones working behind the scenes. Frankly, I think we deserve to be there over Purdue, Vandy & such. I’m hoping this works out for everyone.

To get a more complete picture, you'd have to add in basketball tv numbers as well (which are hard to come by, but ESPN definitely has at their disposal).

add the postseason number ...
Miami drew 80M during astounding run ...

PLUS SIZE
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(10-12-2026 08:17 AM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  I keep coming back to the idea the four ACC schools are over-asking in order to get the purgatory period totally removed. I just don't see the need to increase the cap for FSU and Miami. However, Carolina may want to increase the cap in order to move to the B1G. The SEC has plenty of room with a 20-school cap. That said, any school would benefit from the limbo period being totally eliminated.

Regardless, I keep being told a Blue Wave is on the horizon and that doesn't really bode well for this bill as is. I could see the Dems shutting it down after elections in order to alter a bunch of language once they bolster their ranks.

I could see that.
Miami, FSU, Clemson and GT to the SEC to close off their footprint.

Carolina and UVa to the B1G.


SEC pod:
Clemson
South Carolina
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami

B1G pod:
Penn State
Rutgers
Maryland
UVa
Carolina

May not work out, but it does solve some divisional alignments for both conferences.
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(10-12-2026 11:25 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(10-12-2026 08:17 AM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  I keep coming back to the idea the four ACC schools are over-asking in order to get the purgatory period totally removed. I just don't see the need to increase the cap for FSU and Miami. However, Carolina may want to increase the cap in order to move to the B1G. The SEC has plenty of room with a 20-school cap. That said, any school would benefit from the limbo period being totally eliminated.

Regardless, I keep being told a Blue Wave is on the horizon and that doesn't really bode well for this bill as is. I could see the Dems shutting it down after elections in order to alter a bunch of language once they bolster their ranks.

I could see that.
Miami, FSU, Clemson and GT to the SEC to close off their footprint.

Carolina and UVa to the B1G.


SEC pod:
Clemson
South Carolina
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami

B1G pod:
Penn State
Rutgers
Maryland
UVa
Carolina

May not work out, but it does solve some divisional alignments for both conferences.

The SEC does nothing for Miami's national aspirations and the B1G needs another marquee football brand.
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Here’s an antitrust expert opinion against the PCSA. It states the argument in layman terms.

https://defector.com/an-antitrust-expert...sports-act
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(10-16-2026 07:07 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Here’s an antitrust expert opinion against the PCSA. It states the argument in layman terms.

https://defector.com/an-antitrust-expert...sports-act

They aren't classified as employees by the university. Therefore, they don't earn a salary nor is there a salary cap. They also don't have the right to collectively bargain if they aren't employees.

All of those laws are applicable to employees who've filled out a W4. It's essentially like saying when I was a teenager I had the federal right to bargain for my allowance lol. I was not an employee of my parents, but I was granted benefits and revenue sharing if I performed my role. That's just about what the student athlete classification comes down to, and trust me, they're doing just fine.

The student athletes are, however, independent contractors when it comes to unrestricted 3rd party NIL. That's where they have their employment rights. I feel like all of them should be required to take classes that prepare them, and actually the PCSA is providing a ton of free resources to them.
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(10-16-2026 08:17 AM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 07:07 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Here’s an antitrust expert opinion against the PCSA. It states the argument in layman terms.

https://defector.com/an-antitrust-expert...sports-act

They aren't classified as employees by the university. Therefore, they don't earn a salary nor is there a salary cap. They also don't have the right to collectively bargain if they aren't employees.

All of those laws are applicable to employees who've filled out a W4. It's essentially like saying when I was a teenager I had the federal right to bargain for my allowance lol. I was not an employee of my parents, but I was granted benefits and revenue sharing if I performed my role. That's just about what the student athlete classification comes down to, and trust me, they're doing just fine.

The student athletes are, however, independent contractors when it comes to unrestricted 3rd party NIL. That's where they have their employment rights. I feel like all of them should be required to take classes that prepare them, and actually the PCSA is providing a ton of free resources to them.


The article I posted covers not only that but the motivation behind the PCSA, including the political motivations. Concerning your point I think this part of the article interesting.

From the article:

What way is there to interpret the attempted passing of this law as anything other than management trying to snuff out labor's bargaining power? Because if the NCAA wanted this stuff, they could still bargain it with the athletes. There's no reason it has to be done through Congress.

That's my interpretation. Now, at this precise moment, there are no college athletes that have been recognized as a bargaining unit. So at this precise moment, collective bargaining cannot take place. However, there are a number of ways in which college athletes presumably could create bargaining units. Those who claim that it's not possible are primarily relying on the fact that not all college athletes play at private universities. Some are at public schools, and the purported argument that college athletes cannot unionize is that certain athletes who are at the public schools would purportedly be employees, if at all, of a public school, and then not subject to National Labor Relations Act. I believe this argument is grandly overstated for a number of reasons.

First, while I believe it's disingenuous to claim that all college athletes meet the definition of employee, at least the revenue-generating college athletes, which consist of a limited number of college athletes and a limited number of sports that bring in revenue, seem to meet the dictionary definition of being an employee. Now, if certain college athletes meet the definition of employee, the question is whether the National Labor Relations Board could or would assert jurisdiction over them for purposes of creating a bargaining unit. With respect to athletes and revenue-generating sports at private schools, there does not seem to be much of a problem at all.

There are a number of ways that seem to clearly get around the issue that would allow for creation of a multi-employer bargaining unit by conference by sport. One that I've suggested in articles I've co-authored with John Holden and Michael McCann is this notion that college athletes are actually jointly employed, not only by their individual school but also by the conference, which broadcasts the games on television, and at the same time exercises a substantial amount of control over the athlete. This is a very pertinent point because if such a relationship exists, then even the athletes who are at public universities such as the University of Michigan and Ohio State University also have an employer in the conference, which is private, and that would create jurisdiction with the National Labor Relations Board under the National Labor Relations Act. So that is one way to address the issue. It also was addressed in a very similar light in a footnote to an advisory opinion that had been written by Jennifer Abruzzo of the National Labor Relations Board, who was General Counsel under the Biden administration. So it's not just three professors coming up with this ad hoc theory. The General Counsel of the previous president's National Labor Relations Board cited it, and a number of other professors cited it as well.
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Ross Dellenger, Pete Thamel & Steven Godfrey discuss the pushback on conference membership caps. They also consider how a 24-team playoff affects the equation.

They suggest that even if PCSA legislation passes in its current form, with caps and indie waiting requirement intact:

1. Clemson, Florida State, Miami, UNC could declare football independence
2. The four can make a scheduling agreement with each other + Notre Dame
3. Everyone in the group has a good shot at qualifying for the playoffs

“What is that if not a Super League?”

It could certainly be the beginning of one.

Video
https://sports.yahoo.com/video/could-a-c...28072.html
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Note that each can each get out by paying a $75M exit fee if they can bring at least one, maybe two, additional schools to form a single-sport consortium.

Other sports would remain in the ACC.

(10-22-2026 04:44 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Ross Dellenger, Pete Thamel & Steven Godfrey discuss the pushback on conference membership caps. They also consider how a 24-team playoff affects the equation.

They suggest that even if PCSA legislation passes in its current form, with caps and indie waiting requirement intact:

1. Clemson, Florida State, Miami, UNC could declare football independence
2. The four can make a scheduling agreement with each other + Notre Dame
3. Everyone in the group has a good shot at qualifying for the playoffs

“What is that if not a Super League?”

It could certainly be the beginning of one.

Video
https://sports.yahoo.com/video/could-a-c...28072.html
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(10-22-2026 04:50 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Note that each can each get out by paying a $75M exit fee if they can bring at least one, maybe two, additional schools to form a single-sport consortium.

Other sports would remain in the ACC.

(10-22-2026 04:44 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Ross Dellenger, Pete Thamel & Steven Godfrey discuss the pushback on conference membership caps. They also consider how a 24-team playoff affects the equation.

They suggest that even if PCSA legislation passes in its current form, with caps and indie waiting requirement intact:

1. Clemson, Florida State, Miami, UNC could declare football independence
2. The four can make a scheduling agreement with each other + Notre Dame
3. Everyone in the group has a good shot at qualifying for the playoffs

“What is that if not a Super League?”

It could certainly be the beginning of one.

Video
https://sports.yahoo.com/video/could-a-c...28072.html

I don’t see how that makes more money. At best, that is an interim “independent” status while they’re waiting on an invitation to another conference.
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(10-22-2026 05:55 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(10-22-2026 04:50 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Note that each can each get out by paying a $75M exit fee if they can bring at least one, maybe two, additional schools to form a single-sport consortium.

Other sports would remain in the ACC.

(10-22-2026 04:44 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Ross Dellenger, Pete Thamel & Steven Godfrey discuss the pushback on conference membership caps. They also consider how a 24-team playoff affects the equation.

They suggest that even if PCSA legislation passes in its current form, with caps and indie waiting requirement intact:

1. Clemson, Florida State, Miami, UNC could declare football independence
2. The four can make a scheduling agreement with each other + Notre Dame
3. Everyone in the group has a good shot at qualifying for the playoffs

“What is that if not a Super League?”

It could certainly be the beginning of one.

Video
https://sports.yahoo.com/video/could-a-c...28072.html

I don’t see how that makes more money. At best, that is an interim “independent” status while they’re waiting on an invitation to another conference.

Much depends on the contracts the schools make. Media deal, CFP... private capital?
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(10-22-2026 05:55 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(10-22-2026 04:50 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Note that each can each get out by paying a $75M exit fee if they can bring at least one, maybe two, additional schools to form a single-sport consortium.

Other sports would remain in the ACC.

(10-22-2026 04:44 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Ross Dellenger, Pete Thamel & Steven Godfrey discuss the pushback on conference membership caps. They also consider how a 24-team playoff affects the equation.

They suggest that even if PCSA legislation passes in its current form, with caps and indie waiting requirement intact:

1. Clemson, Florida State, Miami, UNC could declare football independence
2. The four can make a scheduling agreement with each other + Notre Dame
3. Everyone in the group has a good shot at qualifying for the playoffs

“What is that if not a Super League?”

It could certainly be the beginning of one.

Video
https://sports.yahoo.com/video/could-a-c...28072.html

I don’t see how that makes more money. At best, that is an interim “independent” status while they’re waiting on an invitation to another conference.

Are you sure they wouldn't make more money? Here are the average TV numbers of the top 6 vs the bottom 11:

1 Miami 46.355
2 FSU 41.65
3 Clemson 38.587
4 GT 31.299
5 NC 25.376
6 Pitt 17.829
33.516 million

7 Louisville 16.426
8 Va Tech 14.704
9 Virginia 13.07
10 Syracuse 12.827
11 Stanford 11.23
12 NC State 10.808
13 SMU 10.797
14 Cal 8.827
15 Wake 8.803
16 Duke 6.804
17 BC 5.962
10.932 million

Triple the viewership... yeah, that's worth more TV$$$!
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I wonder if this now puts the 6+ team withdraw to 1 sport land comes into hyper focus now...since the PCSA would have all but blocked that path from happening....yet certain number of ACC schools still need to find a resolution for our football programs.
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(11-04-2026 10:57 AM)green Wrote:  

https://x.com/flasportsbuzz/status/2117979188279804411

GOOD MOURNING

It benefits no one except lawyers and agents.
More blood for the leeches!
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(11-04-2026 02:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-04-2026 10:57 AM)green Wrote:  

https://x.com/flasportsbuzz/status/2117979188279804411

GOOD MOURNING

It benefits no one except lawyers and agents.
More blood for the leeches!

You know Mark, the House of Representatives is made up almost exclusively of lawyers. They have a strong habit of voting in things that increase revenue for their tribe. In this case however if they do nothing it does the same thing because of the rulings on the other cases.
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