(10-30-2026 04:48 AM)HD76 Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 11:08 PM)Goronic Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 09:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 11:58 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 11:58 AM)polkhigh Wrote:  Ohio and Delaware to East and Missouri State to West. It'll happen.

That's a lot of schools.

Kinda. But if Marshall or App left and ULM dropped football, suddenly it makes more sense.

I highly doubt Marshall and App State go anywhere. Let’s get the money right for the SunBelt and stay here. The SBC was doing fantastic before JMU was here, we were great when they were here, and we’ll be amazing after they’ve gone. I’m good right here! Good programs and rivalries right now. We can play ECU once in a while and I’m good. Playing Charlotte is a waste of time and excites no one from App.

Folks aren't looking at the revenues, branding and upside of what is left and what's out there available.

First, no one available can replace JMU. With there budget, revenues, and branding after their playoff get, they are head and shoulders above the rest of the conference. So, anyone we add will reduce value and thus reduce our product portfolio.

Only ODU can come close to what JMU spends, followed by App ST, Marshall and Coastal. These are also the top brands and value in the conference and unfortunately all are currently trending down in their athletics.

Only Liberty would add value at the top of the conference and the only programs that would add upside are LU and Delaware.

Granted, my comments are speculative due to the ambiguous searches of how schools report budget and revenues, as well as branding, market share and projected upside, based on P4 pressure and competition.

But the point is, no one is going to improve their conference share with an add. Only a deduct, a split or a conference move will fatten the wallets' of what's left. Sad, because I love this conference but I believe many of us are going to be forced to widen the revenue deficit or become more uncompetitive than we already are in FBS

Ohio is better than UD imho

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(10-30-2026 05:43 AM)polkhigh Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 04:48 AM)HD76 Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 11:08 PM)Goronic Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 09:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 11:58 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  That's a lot of schools.

Kinda. But if Marshall or App left and ULM dropped football, suddenly it makes more sense.

I highly doubt Marshall and App State go anywhere. Let’s get the money right for the SunBelt and stay here. The SBC was doing fantastic before JMU was here, we were great when they were here, and we’ll be amazing after they’ve gone. I’m good right here! Good programs and rivalries right now. We can play ECU once in a while and I’m good. Playing Charlotte is a waste of time and excites no one from App.

Folks aren't looking at the revenues, branding and upside of what is left and what's out there available.

First, no one available can replace JMU. With there budget, revenues, and branding after their playoff get, they are head and shoulders above the rest of the conference. So, anyone we add will reduce value and thus reduce our product portfolio.

Only ODU can come close to what JMU spends, followed by App ST, Marshall and Coastal. These are also the top brands and value in the conference and unfortunately all are currently trending down in their athletics.

Only Liberty would add value at the top of the conference and the only programs that would add upside are LU and Delaware.

Granted, my comments are speculative due to the ambiguous searches of how schools report budget and revenues, as well as branding, market share and projected upside, based on P4 pressure and competition.

But the point is, no one is going to improve their conference share with an add. Only a deduct, a split or a conference move will fatten the wallets' of what's left. Sad, because I love this conference but I believe many of us are going to be forced to widen the revenue deficit or become more uncompetitive than we already are in FBS

CUSA and the PAC were supposed to go away (P4/G4). A CUSA consisting of Kennesaw, Sam Houston, WKU, MTSU, Jax State, FIU (I had to Google who's in it) has zero value. I know it sounds dickish but it is what it is. We get cut-throat and take Delaware, Missouri State, and Liberty. A flagship, a state school, and a well off religious private. Ohio is also the cornerstone of the MAC. If ULM drops and the SBC grabs those four the MAC takes a hit and CUSA is for the most part sunk. SEC didn't care about what havoc they caused the Big12. The B1G and Big12 showed the PAC no mercy. Do what you gotta do.

You're overestimating the impact here. It certainly doesn't help the MAC or CUSA to take any of their teams.

But they'd both just keep on keeping on. Even the relative impact isn't what you're saying. That these schools aren't UT or USC has been granted. But I'd add that they're not even close to being the G6 version of UT or USC.

(10-30-2026 07:04 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 05:43 AM)polkhigh Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 04:48 AM)HD76 Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 11:08 PM)Goronic Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 09:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Kinda. But if Marshall or App left and ULM dropped football, suddenly it makes more sense.

I highly doubt Marshall and App State go anywhere. Let’s get the money right for the SunBelt and stay here. The SBC was doing fantastic before JMU was here, we were great when they were here, and we’ll be amazing after they’ve gone. I’m good right here! Good programs and rivalries right now. We can play ECU once in a while and I’m good. Playing Charlotte is a waste of time and excites no one from App.

Folks aren't looking at the revenues, branding and upside of what is left and what's out there available.

First, no one available can replace JMU. With there budget, revenues, and branding after their playoff get, they are head and shoulders above the rest of the conference. So, anyone we add will reduce value and thus reduce our product portfolio.

Only ODU can come close to what JMU spends, followed by App ST, Marshall and Coastal. These are also the top brands and value in the conference and unfortunately all are currently trending down in their athletics.

Only Liberty would add value at the top of the conference and the only programs that would add upside are LU and Delaware.

Granted, my comments are speculative due to the ambiguous searches of how schools report budget and revenues, as well as branding, market share and projected upside, based on P4 pressure and competition.

But the point is, no one is going to improve their conference share with an add. Only a deduct, a split or a conference move will fatten the wallets' of what's left. Sad, because I love this conference but I believe many of us are going to be forced to widen the revenue deficit or become more uncompetitive than we already are in FBS

CUSA and the PAC were supposed to go away (P4/G4). A CUSA consisting of Kennesaw, Sam Houston, WKU, MTSU, Jax State, FIU (I had to Google who's in it) has zero value. I know it sounds dickish but it is what it is. We get cut-throat and take Delaware, Missouri State, and Liberty. A flagship, a state school, and a well off religious private. Ohio is also the cornerstone of the MAC. If ULM drops and the SBC grabs those four the MAC takes a hit and CUSA is for the most part sunk. SEC didn't care about what havoc they caused the Big12. The B1G and Big12 showed the PAC no mercy. Do what you gotta do.

You're overestimating the impact here. It certainly doesn't help the MAC or CUSA to take any of their teams.

But they'd both just keep on keeping on. Even the relative impact isn't what you're saying. That these schools aren't UT or USC has been granted. But I'd add that they're not even close to being the G6 version of UT or USC.

Remember the WAC?
MWC revenue shot pretty high up.

(10-29-2026 09:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 11:58 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 11:58 AM)polkhigh Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 08:55 AM)Ed Harley Wrote:  I have it on good authority that the SBC has had discussions at the highest level with Missouri State. All indications are that MoSt would accept if the invitation comes. My guess is that the SBC would be taking 3 teams if this were to occur.

Ohio and Delaware to East and Missouri State to West. It'll happen.

That's a lot of schools.

Kinda. But if Marshall or App left and ULM dropped football, suddenly it makes more sense.

If Marshall left, adding Ohio and Delaware would make LESS sense. Ohio is a really small stretch of the current borders to get a program with a lot of history that would likely be better if they weren't relegated to weeknight games. Without Marshall already right there though, we'd be better off pulling a school more centralized.

(10-29-2026 10:14 PM)debragga Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 06:20 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 06:10 PM)hannibalDawg Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 06:00 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 09:57 AM)hannibalDawg Wrote:  Tech and SoMiss would be primary rival, that would leave ULm and ULl to face off.

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B….. please SMH. USM isn’t yall biggest rival, it’s not even close. They are your 3rd at best.

Which FBS team is our 2nd? ULm is only 44, 12-13 less than SoMiss

And, the SoMiss Rivalry has a cool unique name (Rivalry in Dixie)

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Did you cancel a bowl game to not play USM? Do you do everything in your sphere of influence to denigrate ULM or UL? Those are your rivals, USM is who yall aspire to be, even in their down years.

I’m confused, who’s denigrating Louisville?

Sorry, as I see what you are doing, but they are UofL.

(10-30-2026 09:03 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 10:14 PM)debragga Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 06:20 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 06:10 PM)hannibalDawg Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 06:00 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  B….. please SMH. USM isn’t yall biggest rival, it’s not even close. They are your 3rd at best.

Which FBS team is our 2nd? ULm is only 44, 12-13 less than SoMiss

And, the SoMiss Rivalry has a cool unique name (Rivalry in Dixie)

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Did you cancel a bowl game to not play USM? Do you do everything in your sphere of influence to denigrate ULM or UL? Those are your rivals, USM is who yall aspire to be, even in their down years.

I’m confused, who’s denigrating Louisville?

Sorry, as I see what you are doing, but they are UofL.

The Monroe chaps are UL, so they should know who to label as UL. ULL has too many L's to leave off their city name

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(10-30-2026 09:08 AM)hannibalDawg Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 09:03 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 10:14 PM)debragga Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 06:20 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 06:10 PM)hannibalDawg Wrote:  Which FBS team is our 2nd? ULm is only 44, 12-13 less than SoMiss

And, the SoMiss Rivalry has a cool unique name (Rivalry in Dixie)

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Did you cancel a bowl game to not play USM? Do you do everything in your sphere of influence to denigrate ULM or UL? Those are your rivals, USM is who yall aspire to be, even in their down years.

I’m confused, who’s denigrating Louisville?

Sorry, as I see what you are doing, but they are UofL.

The Monroe chaps are UL, so they should know who to label as UL. ULL has too many L's to leave off their city name

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When making fun of UL, the appropriate form is U-LA-La.

(10-30-2026 09:11 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 09:08 AM)hannibalDawg Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 09:03 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 10:14 PM)debragga Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 06:20 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  Did you cancel a bowl game to not play USM? Do you do everything in your sphere of influence to denigrate ULM or UL? Those are your rivals, USM is who yall aspire to be, even in their down years.

I’m confused, who’s denigrating Louisville?

Sorry, as I see what you are doing, but they are UofL.

The Monroe chaps are UL, so they should know who to label as UL. ULL has too many L's to leave off their city name

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When making fun of UL, the appropriate form is U-LA-La.

We usually just call them Warchickens when we make fun of UL

(10-28-2026 01:41 PM)polkhigh Wrote:  Going to 16 with Ohio, Delaware, and Missouri State adds 19.3 million more people to our footprint.

I actually like those 3. Adds to the footprint but not to a crazy extent. High ceilings.

(10-30-2026 09:31 AM)Eagleditka Wrote:  

(10-28-2026 01:41 PM)polkhigh Wrote:  Going to 16 with Ohio, Delaware, and Missouri State adds 19.3 million more people to our footprint.

I actually like those 3. Adds to the footprint but not to a crazy extent. High ceilings.

Geography-wise, that would make both the East and West happy.

I mean if we are waiting on App State and Marshall to commit for long enough to add some of these teams then what does that commitment look like? Also it's crazy Marshall voted yes in favor of the increased exit fee though they seemed for active in wanting to leave than even App State unless their AD just said what he said because their fans were so vocal on Twitter.

(10-30-2026 07:52 AM)polkhigh Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 07:04 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 05:43 AM)polkhigh Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 04:48 AM)HD76 Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 11:08 PM)Goronic Wrote:  I highly doubt Marshall and App State go anywhere. Let’s get the money right for the SunBelt and stay here. The SBC was doing fantastic before JMU was here, we were great when they were here, and we’ll be amazing after they’ve gone. I’m good right here! Good programs and rivalries right now. We can play ECU once in a while and I’m good. Playing Charlotte is a waste of time and excites no one from App.

Folks aren't looking at the revenues, branding and upside of what is left and what's out there available.

First, no one available can replace JMU. With there budget, revenues, and branding after their playoff get, they are head and shoulders above the rest of the conference. So, anyone we add will reduce value and thus reduce our product portfolio.

Only ODU can come close to what JMU spends, followed by App ST, Marshall and Coastal. These are also the top brands and value in the conference and unfortunately all are currently trending down in their athletics.

Only Liberty would add value at the top of the conference and the only programs that would add upside are LU and Delaware.

Granted, my comments are speculative due to the ambiguous searches of how schools report budget and revenues, as well as branding, market share and projected upside, based on P4 pressure and competition.

But the point is, no one is going to improve their conference share with an add. Only a deduct, a split or a conference move will fatten the wallets' of what's left. Sad, because I love this conference but I believe many of us are going to be forced to widen the revenue deficit or become more uncompetitive than we already are in FBS

CUSA and the PAC were supposed to go away (P4/G4). A CUSA consisting of Kennesaw, Sam Houston, WKU, MTSU, Jax State, FIU (I had to Google who's in it) has zero value. I know it sounds dickish but it is what it is. We get cut-throat and take Delaware, Missouri State, and Liberty. A flagship, a state school, and a well off religious private. Ohio is also the cornerstone of the MAC. If ULM drops and the SBC grabs those four the MAC takes a hit and CUSA is for the most part sunk. SEC didn't care about what havoc they caused the Big12. The B1G and Big12 showed the PAC no mercy. Do what you gotta do.

You're overestimating the impact here. It certainly doesn't help the MAC or CUSA to take any of their teams.

But they'd both just keep on keeping on. Even the relative impact isn't what you're saying. That these schools aren't UT or USC has been granted. But I'd add that they're not even close to being the G6 version of UT or USC.

Remember the WAC?
MWC revenue shot pretty high up.

Neither the MAC nor CUSA is going to drop football after losing one school.

(10-30-2026 12:41 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  I mean if we are waiting on App State and Marshall to commit for long enough to add some of these teams then what does that commitment look like? Also it's crazy Marshall voted yes in favor of the increased exit fee though they seemed for active in wanting to leave than even App State unless their AD just said what he said because their fans were so vocal on Twitter.

No way that is what the league is waiting for. How would they even confirm someone's long term plans? Are they going to tell Keith Gill that they don't plan to be here?

That's like telling your job you are looking at other jobs while still being heavily involved in the long term decision making.

(10-30-2026 01:27 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 12:41 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  I mean if we are waiting on App State and Marshall to commit for long enough to add some of these teams then what does that commitment look like? Also it's crazy Marshall voted yes in favor of the increased exit fee though they seemed for active in wanting to leave than even App State unless their AD just said what he said because their fans were so vocal on Twitter.

No way that is what the league is waiting for. How would they even confirm someone's long term plans? Are they going to tell Keith Gill that they don't plan to be here?

That's like telling your job you are looking at other jobs while still being heavily involved in the long term decision making.

Marshall is not leaving we have no money to do so !

(10-30-2026 12:49 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 07:52 AM)polkhigh Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 07:04 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 05:43 AM)polkhigh Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 04:48 AM)HD76 Wrote:  Folks aren't looking at the revenues, branding and upside of what is left and what's out there available.

First, no one available can replace JMU. With there budget, revenues, and branding after their playoff get, they are head and shoulders above the rest of the conference. So, anyone we add will reduce value and thus reduce our product portfolio.

Only ODU can come close to what JMU spends, followed by App ST, Marshall and Coastal. These are also the top brands and value in the conference and unfortunately all are currently trending down in their athletics.

Only Liberty would add value at the top of the conference and the only programs that would add upside are LU and Delaware.

Granted, my comments are speculative due to the ambiguous searches of how schools report budget and revenues, as well as branding, market share and projected upside, based on P4 pressure and competition.

But the point is, no one is going to improve their conference share with an add. Only a deduct, a split or a conference move will fatten the wallets' of what's left. Sad, because I love this conference but I believe many of us are going to be forced to widen the revenue deficit or become more uncompetitive than we already are in FBS

CUSA and the PAC were supposed to go away (P4/G4). A CUSA consisting of Kennesaw, Sam Houston, WKU, MTSU, Jax State, FIU (I had to Google who's in it) has zero value. I know it sounds dickish but it is what it is. We get cut-throat and take Delaware, Missouri State, and Liberty. A flagship, a state school, and a well off religious private. Ohio is also the cornerstone of the MAC. If ULM drops and the SBC grabs those four the MAC takes a hit and CUSA is for the most part sunk. SEC didn't care about what havoc they caused the Big12. The B1G and Big12 showed the PAC no mercy. Do what you gotta do.

You're overestimating the impact here. It certainly doesn't help the MAC or CUSA to take any of their teams.

But they'd both just keep on keeping on. Even the relative impact isn't what you're saying. That these schools aren't UT or USC has been granted. But I'd add that they're not even close to being the G6 version of UT or USC.

Remember the WAC?
MWC revenue shot pretty high up.

Neither the MAC nor CUSA is going to drop football after losing one school.

SBC schools were getting $500k a year from TV contracts. Some things changed and now I believe its $2m a year. Is it possible to duplicate that growth? If so, doing what others or our own conference did in the past makes sense to me. (Not the part with the AAC adding Rice, NTSU, FAU, UAB, and who ever else no one thinks of though.)

(10-30-2026 10:51 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 09:31 AM)Eagleditka Wrote:  

(10-28-2026 01:41 PM)polkhigh Wrote:  Going to 16 with Ohio, Delaware, and Missouri State adds 19.3 million more people to our footprint.

I actually like those 3. Adds to the footprint but not to a crazy extent. High ceilings.

Geography-wise, that would make both the East and West happy.

It works.

(10-28-2026 04:19 PM)polkhigh Wrote:  

(10-28-2026 02:44 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(10-28-2026 01:52 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-28-2026 01:41 PM)polkhigh Wrote:  Going to 16 with Ohio, Delaware, and Missouri State adds 19.3 million more people to our footprint.

But probably subtracts net dollars from each of our budgets.

Unless you think our media deal goes up per school and we earn extra tournament credits (as a result of these additions) and that each division saves enough on travel.

Which I'm skeptical of. I mean, it's possible. Any of that is possible. But it's not very likely.

Yeah, the only way I see adding 3 schools working is if the SBC is willing to follow the MAC and play 9 conference games (would remain divisional with 7 division opponents and 2 cross-division opponents). I think Ohio and MIssouri St. would be solid additions with the 16th spot going to WKU or Delaware (I think WKU would have more interest in my opinion). All 3 add new states with only Delaware really expanding the footprint significantly if added.

In regards to another post I seen here about the loss of CCGs, I would be open to an idea for FB scheduling as a replacement for CCGs to have everyone play their 7 divisional opponents (or 6 if remaining at 14 teams and/or 8 conference games) and pairing off the top 2 teams in each division against each other as well as 3-4, 5-6, and 7-8 (or 5-7) for the crossover games (1 division hosts 1 week, the other division hosts the other week). That guarantees the top teams play each other and provides a fair way to crown a conference champion on the field as the top 4 teams (top 2 in each division) will have played each other in the event of a tie. This may also help with SOS metrics to boost the champion try to get into the CFP.

UD enrollment: 24,564
WKU enrollment: 15,920

UD athletic budget: $37.5m
WKU athletic budget: $30m

UD endowment: $1.965b
WKU endowment: $305m

Delaware pop: 1,059,952
Bowling green, KY pop: 79,505

One is the state flagship the other is a very distant 3rd fiddle. I watched WKU get belted at home by Delaware in an empty stadium with only the marching band to witness last night.

FYI, According to Knight Newhouse report, Delaware's 2025 athletic budget was $69,556,084

https://knightnewhousedata.org/fcs/university-delaware

(10-30-2026 09:02 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 09:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 11:58 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 11:58 AM)polkhigh Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 08:55 AM)Ed Harley Wrote:  I have it on good authority that the SBC has had discussions at the highest level with Missouri State. All indications are that MoSt would accept if the invitation comes. My guess is that the SBC would be taking 3 teams if this were to occur.

Ohio and Delaware to East and Missouri State to West. It'll happen.

That's a lot of schools.

Kinda. But if Marshall or App left and ULM dropped football, suddenly it makes more sense.

If Marshall left, adding Ohio and Delaware would make LESS sense. Ohio is a really small stretch of the current borders to get a program with a lot of history that would likely be better if they weren't relegated to weeknight games. Without Marshall already right there though, we'd be better off pulling a school more centralized.

Delaware was a JMU add. Marshall is nowhere near Delaware. I’d replace them with Lib. Coincidentally, JMU was the biggest obstacle to adding Liberty. JMU is gone. We don’t need to placate them. Take the team that actually adds value to our athletics. This is getting stupid.

(10-30-2026 05:38 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 09:02 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 09:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 11:58 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 11:58 AM)polkhigh Wrote:  Ohio and Delaware to East and Missouri State to West. It'll happen.

That's a lot of schools.

Kinda. But if Marshall or App left and ULM dropped football, suddenly it makes more sense.

If Marshall left, adding Ohio and Delaware would make LESS sense. Ohio is a really small stretch of the current borders to get a program with a lot of history that would likely be better if they weren't relegated to weeknight games. Without Marshall already right there though, we'd be better off pulling a school more centralized.

Delaware was a JMU add. Marshall is nowhere near Delaware. I’d replace them with Lib. Coincidentally, JMU was the biggest obstacle to adding Liberty. JMU is gone. We don’t need to placate them. Take the team that actually adds value to our athletics. This is getting stupid.

If Delaware was added they would be like the 2nd closest school to Marshall after App State. They'd be a buss trip for ODU. Idk why people keep thinking Delaware is up in the north east.

(10-30-2026 10:05 PM)polkhigh Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 05:38 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 09:02 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 09:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 11:58 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  That's a lot of schools.

Kinda. But if Marshall or App left and ULM dropped football, suddenly it makes more sense.

If Marshall left, adding Ohio and Delaware would make LESS sense. Ohio is a really small stretch of the current borders to get a program with a lot of history that would likely be better if they weren't relegated to weeknight games. Without Marshall already right there though, we'd be better off pulling a school more centralized.

Delaware was a JMU add. Marshall is nowhere near Delaware. I’d replace them with Lib. Coincidentally, JMU was the biggest obstacle to adding Liberty. JMU is gone. We don’t need to placate them. Take the team that actually adds value to our athletics. This is getting stupid.

If Delaware was added they would be like the 2nd closest school to Marshall after App State. They'd be a buss trip for ODU. Idk why people keep thinking Delaware is up in the north east.

It’s in the Mid-Atlantic, which is in the northeast. It’s not in New England, that would be absurd, but it’s still stretching the footprint even more for no good reason