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RE: Protect College Sports Act
(10-16-2026 12:23 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 12:06 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 09:09 AM)FSBlueApocalypse Wrote:  https://www.tomahawknation.com/florida-s...sports-act

Really interesting article with FSU's chairman about the PCSA.

Accuses ACC of not giving schools the full picture and there were other ACC schools on the call that lead to FSU, Miami, Clemson, and UNC signing the 9/29 letter.

IIRC, anti-PE & super-league prohibition, conference caps, and “independence” requirements were all initially reported in late July. Specifically, after the B1G and SEC decided to support the legislation. Later in the article, it confirms that NCAA first communicated those provisions on July 31.

The FSU Board Chairman states that the ACC didn’t message those controversial provisions in late May when the FSU President confirmed initial support for PCSA. What’s unsaid is whether those provisions even existed at the time, or why no one identified/reported those provisions.

They were probably buried in the ACC vault next to the ironclad GoR.

Vault? Do you mean the leatherette satchel with the 3 digit dial code? I do love the conspiracy angle, however. Nothing like a conspiracy to make the ordinary perfunctory decisions of a business seem nefarious and those impacted to feel important for having to carry out the Herculean task of overthrowing the monolithic faceless machine of the cabal that is against them in order to preserve whatever it is they must preserve, maybe this year's fig crop. It all lends such nobility to simply being a helpless fan who doesn't know why their academic leadership is pondering a move for the future of their alma mater.
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(10-16-2026 01:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 12:23 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 12:06 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 09:09 AM)FSBlueApocalypse Wrote:  https://www.tomahawknation.com/florida-s...sports-act

Really interesting article with FSU's chairman about the PCSA.

Accuses ACC of not giving schools the full picture and there were other ACC schools on the call that lead to FSU, Miami, Clemson, and UNC signing the 9/29 letter.

IIRC, anti-PE & super-league prohibition, conference caps, and “independence” requirements were all initially reported in late July. Specifically, after the B1G and SEC decided to support the legislation. Later in the article, it confirms that NCAA first communicated those provisions on July 31.

The FSU Board Chairman states that the ACC didn’t message those controversial provisions in late May when the FSU President confirmed initial support for PCSA. What’s unsaid is whether those provisions even existed at the time, or why no one identified/reported those provisions.

They were probably buried in the ACC vault next to the ironclad GoR.

Vault? Do you mean the leatherette satchel with the 3 digit dial code? I do love the conspiracy angle, however. Nothing like a conspiracy to make the ordinary perfunctory decisions of a business seem nefarious and those impacted to feel important for having to carry out the Herculean task of overthrowing the monolithic faceless machine of the cabal that is against them in order to preserve whatever it is they must preserve, maybe this year's fig crop. It all lends such nobility to simply being a helpless fan who doesn't know why their academic leadership is pondering a move for the future of their alma mater.

If anyone ever wonders how much college sports means in the South? FSU is your answer! The whole state stops what it is doing to rally behind the cause, and that is admirable.

Fascinating how engaged the FSU BoT Chairman became once the actual language of the entire legislation was communicated in August. Senator Moody (R-FL) proposed various amendments immediately. Wa-la compromises were made by voice acclamation prior to the full Senate vote. The conference cap is increase from 19 to 20, the independence clause is reduced to three years and eliminated entirely after five years. Senators Moody even votes in favor of PCSA, which passes the Senate 77-22.

But the Senate compromises are not enough for FSU BoT Chairman. He’s clearly pushing to change the PCSA or have the House of Reps not vote on it (i.e., kill the legislation).
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(10-16-2026 03:11 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 01:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 12:23 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 12:06 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 09:09 AM)FSBlueApocalypse Wrote:  https://www.tomahawknation.com/florida-s...sports-act

Really interesting article with FSU's chairman about the PCSA.

Accuses ACC of not giving schools the full picture and there were other ACC schools on the call that lead to FSU, Miami, Clemson, and UNC signing the 9/29 letter.

IIRC, anti-PE & super-league prohibition, conference caps, and “independence” requirements were all initially reported in late July. Specifically, after the B1G and SEC decided to support the legislation. Later in the article, it confirms that NCAA first communicated those provisions on July 31.

The FSU Board Chairman states that the ACC didn’t message those controversial provisions in late May when the FSU President confirmed initial support for PCSA. What’s unsaid is whether those provisions even existed at the time, or why no one identified/reported those provisions.

They were probably buried in the ACC vault next to the ironclad GoR.

Vault? Do you mean the leatherette satchel with the 3 digit dial code? I do love the conspiracy angle, however. Nothing like a conspiracy to make the ordinary perfunctory decisions of a business seem nefarious and those impacted to feel important for having to carry out the Herculean task of overthrowing the monolithic faceless machine of the cabal that is against them in order to preserve whatever it is they must preserve, maybe this year's fig crop. It all lends such nobility to simply being a helpless fan who doesn't know why their academic leadership is pondering a move for the future of their alma mater.

If anyone ever wonders how much college sports means in the South? FSU is your answer! The whole state stops what it is doing to rally behind the cause, and that is admirable.

Fascinating how engaged the FSU BoT Chairman became once the actual language of the entire legislation was communicated in August. Senator Moody (R-FL) proposed various amendments immediately. Wa-la compromises were made by voice acclamation prior to the full Senate vote. The conference cap is increase from 19 to 20, the independence clause is reduced to three years and eliminated entirely after five years. Senators Moody even votes in favor of PCSA, which passes the Senate 77-22.

But the Senate compromises are not enough for FSU BoT Chairman. He’s clearly pushing to change the PCSA or have the House of Reps not vote on it (i.e., kill the legislation).

How endeared the Seminoles would be to the Big Ten, SEC, ACC, and Big 12 if the exemption is lost. I'm sure all of them would welcome the presence of such a school where there are extraneous voices to the president to be heard. Do they know that they should stay as far away from the House as possible because the House may kill it anyway? I wonder if their leadership has considered the fallout that they will receive by even appearing to attempt to influence the House vote. It's like a live punt where the receiving team needs to vacate the vicinity to avoid touching a ball which would then become live. Nothing good can come of it.
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(10-16-2026 01:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 12:23 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 12:06 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 09:09 AM)FSBlueApocalypse Wrote:  https://www.tomahawknation.com/florida-s...sports-act

Really interesting article with FSU's chairman about the PCSA.

Accuses ACC of not giving schools the full picture and there were other ACC schools on the call that lead to FSU, Miami, Clemson, and UNC signing the 9/29 letter.

IIRC, anti-PE & super-league prohibition, conference caps, and “independence” requirements were all initially reported in late July. Specifically, after the B1G and SEC decided to support the legislation. Later in the article, it confirms that NCAA first communicated those provisions on July 31.

The FSU Board Chairman states that the ACC didn’t message those controversial provisions in late May when the FSU President confirmed initial support for PCSA. What’s unsaid is whether those provisions even existed at the time, or why no one identified/reported those provisions.

They were probably buried in the ACC vault next to the ironclad GoR.

Vault? Do you mean the leatherette satchel with the 3 digit dial code? I do love the conspiracy angle, however. Nothing like a conspiracy to make the ordinary perfunctory decisions of a business seem nefarious and those impacted to feel important for having to carry out the Herculean task of overthrowing the monolithic faceless machine of the cabal that is against them in order to preserve whatever it is they must preserve, maybe this year's fig crop. It all lends such nobility to simply being a helpless fan who doesn't know why their academic leadership is pondering a move for the future of their alma mater.

If anyone ever wonders how much college sports means in the South? FSU is your answer! The whole state stops what it is doing to rally behind the cause, and that is admirable.

How did you know that...that...it's a letherette satchel with a 3 digit dial code???

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(10-16-2026 02:05 PM)PAW79 Wrote:  
(10-13-2026 02:58 PM)Blust3 Wrote:  
(10-13-2026 04:39 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  
(10-12-2026 08:04 PM)The Beaver Wrote:  
(10-12-2026 06:29 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Protecting a program with several non rev sports ranked yearly including right now, top 10 brand in basketball, and holds our own in football on the field, spending on roster/program, and in drawing eyeballs to tvs....

Would like to do that same autopsy into over 1/2 of the Big 10 and bottom third of SEC... TV likes UofL baseball, volleyball, and both basketball teams...I'd like to see those dollars made for tv and conference vs say PSU. Would be a fun exercise.
PSU women's volleyball has eight women's national championships, all in or after 1999 and we've got two men's as well. Go ahead, stack Louisville up next to it with your no volleyball championships in either gender. You win basketball, obviously, but our non-revenue sports literally lap yours. We're strong in ice hockey, WVB, men's wrestling, lacrosse and soccer. And when I say strong I mean the team either has or wants national championships in all of them. We're talking laughing baby vs hydrogen bomb here.

You completely missed the point....We were being targeted as being a protected entity at the expense of other schools....I pointed out that we have multiple other sports that get eyeballs and make money for tv (ESPN) such as baseball, basketball, and volleyball. I'm not sure wrestling, hockey, lacrosse, etc that you named are doing the same numbers. Not even sure I recall you all on national tv in volleyball currently.

Point is, we hold our own, make money for conference and tv partners, and don't need to be targeted as a program needing protection.

We're more than carrying our weight compared to multiple money leaches in the Big 10.

Miami, Florida State and Clemson don't have other sports or don't care for other sports. Football is everything to them. So they want to move to a true football conference like SEC or B1G.

While Clemson certainly is a football first school, the one sport that they have arguably achieved more success at is men's soccer. They have 4 national championships (tied for 4th all time among all ncaa schools) and have routinely been one of the top men's soccer programs for well over 50 years. Clemson cares very much about it's men's soccer program and the fact that the SEC does not sponsor men's soccer would be significant. However, I do agree that football trumps all else and if they were to receive an invitation to join the SEC, they would accept immediately.

Clearly, the best home for Clemson soccer is the ACC. I wonder if the others would hold a strong enough grudge to refuse to allow you guys to keep your soccer in the ACC? Probably? Kentucky and USC have their soccer in the SBC.
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(10-16-2026 03:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 03:11 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 01:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 12:23 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 12:06 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  IIRC, anti-PE & super-league prohibition, conference caps, and “independence” requirements were all initially reported in late July. Specifically, after the B1G and SEC decided to support the legislation. Later in the article, it confirms that NCAA first communicated those provisions on July 31.

The FSU Board Chairman states that the ACC didn’t message those controversial provisions in late May when the FSU President confirmed initial support for PCSA. What’s unsaid is whether those provisions even existed at the time, or why no one identified/reported those provisions.

They were probably buried in the ACC vault next to the ironclad GoR.

Vault? Do you mean the leatherette satchel with the 3 digit dial code? I do love the conspiracy angle, however. Nothing like a conspiracy to make the ordinary perfunctory decisions of a business seem nefarious and those impacted to feel important for having to carry out the Herculean task of overthrowing the monolithic faceless machine of the cabal that is against them in order to preserve whatever it is they must preserve, maybe this year's fig crop. It all lends such nobility to simply being a helpless fan who doesn't know why their academic leadership is pondering a move for the future of their alma mater.

If anyone ever wonders how much college sports means in the South? FSU is your answer! The whole state stops what it is doing to rally behind the cause, and that is admirable.

Fascinating how engaged the FSU BoT Chairman became once the actual language of the entire legislation was communicated in August. Senator Moody (R-FL) proposed various amendments immediately. Wa-la compromises were made by voice acclamation prior to the full Senate vote. The conference cap is increase from 19 to 20, the independence clause is reduced to three years and eliminated entirely after five years. Senators Moody even votes in favor of PCSA, which passes the Senate 77-22.

But the Senate compromises are not enough for FSU BoT Chairman. He’s clearly pushing to change the PCSA or have the House of Reps not vote on it (i.e., kill the legislation).

How endeared the Seminoles would be to the Big Ten, SEC, ACC, and Big 12 if the exemption is lost. I'm sure all of them would welcome the presence of such a school where there are extraneous voices to the president to be heard. Do they know that they should stay as far away from the House as possible because the House may kill it anyway? I wonder if their leadership has considered the fallout that they will receive by even appearing to attempt to influence the House vote. It's like a live punt where the receiving team needs to vacate the vicinity to avoid touching a ball which would then become live. Nothing good can come of it.

https://www.on3.com/news/conference-real...re-coming/

Brett McMurphy makes the similar point at the end of his article about realignment.
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(10-16-2026 03:43 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 02:05 PM)PAW79 Wrote:  
(10-13-2026 02:58 PM)Blust3 Wrote:  
(10-13-2026 04:39 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  
(10-12-2026 08:04 PM)The Beaver Wrote:  PSU women's volleyball has eight women's national championships, all in or after 1999 and we've got two men's as well. Go ahead, stack Louisville up next to it with your no volleyball championships in either gender. You win basketball, obviously, but our non-revenue sports literally lap yours. We're strong in ice hockey, WVB, men's wrestling, lacrosse and soccer. And when I say strong I mean the team either has or wants national championships in all of them. We're talking laughing baby vs hydrogen bomb here.

You completely missed the point....We were being targeted as being a protected entity at the expense of other schools....I pointed out that we have multiple other sports that get eyeballs and make money for tv (ESPN) such as baseball, basketball, and volleyball. I'm not sure wrestling, hockey, lacrosse, etc that you named are doing the same numbers. Not even sure I recall you all on national tv in volleyball currently.

Point is, we hold our own, make money for conference and tv partners, and don't need to be targeted as a program needing protection.

We're more than carrying our weight compared to multiple money leaches in the Big 10.

Miami, Florida State and Clemson don't have other sports or don't care for other sports. Football is everything to them. So they want to move to a true football conference like SEC or B1G.

While Clemson certainly is a football first school, the one sport that they have arguably achieved more success at is men's soccer. They have 4 national championships (tied for 4th all time among all ncaa schools) and have routinely been one of the top men's soccer programs for well over 50 years. Clemson cares very much about it's men's soccer program and the fact that the SEC does not sponsor men's soccer would be significant. However, I do agree that football trumps all else and if they were to receive an invitation to join the SEC, they would accept immediately.

Clearly, the best home for Clemson soccer is the ACC. I wonder if the others would hold a strong enough grudge to refuse to allow you guys to keep your soccer in the ACC? Probably? Kentucky and USC have their soccer in the SBC.

Soccer is a much more flat system than most other sports. While the ACC and Big Ten are probably the two "best", the Big East and Sun Belt are both perfectly acceptable conferences.
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(10-16-2026 03:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 03:11 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 01:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 12:23 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 12:06 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  IIRC, anti-PE & super-league prohibition, conference caps, and “independence” requirements were all initially reported in late July. Specifically, after the B1G and SEC decided to support the legislation. Later in the article, it confirms that NCAA first communicated those provisions on July 31.

The FSU Board Chairman states that the ACC didn’t message those controversial provisions in late May when the FSU President confirmed initial support for PCSA. What’s unsaid is whether those provisions even existed at the time, or why no one identified/reported those provisions.

They were probably buried in the ACC vault next to the ironclad GoR.

Vault? Do you mean the leatherette satchel with the 3 digit dial code? I do love the conspiracy angle, however. Nothing like a conspiracy to make the ordinary perfunctory decisions of a business seem nefarious and those impacted to feel important for having to carry out the Herculean task of overthrowing the monolithic faceless machine of the cabal that is against them in order to preserve whatever it is they must preserve, maybe this year's fig crop. It all lends such nobility to simply being a helpless fan who doesn't know why their academic leadership is pondering a move for the future of their alma mater.

If anyone ever wonders how much college sports means in the South? FSU is your answer! The whole state stops what it is doing to rally behind the cause, and that is admirable.

Fascinating how engaged the FSU BoT Chairman became once the actual language of the entire legislation was communicated in August. Senator Moody (R-FL) proposed various amendments immediately. Wa-la compromises were made by voice acclamation prior to the full Senate vote. The conference cap is increase from 19 to 20, the independence clause is reduced to three years and eliminated entirely after five years. Senators Moody even votes in favor of PCSA, which passes the Senate 77-22.

But the Senate compromises are not enough for FSU BoT Chairman. He’s clearly pushing to change the PCSA or have the House of Reps not vote on it (i.e., kill the legislation).

How endeared the Seminoles would be to the Big Ten, SEC, ACC, and Big 12 if the exemption is lost. I'm sure all of them would welcome the presence of such a school where there are extraneous voices to the president to be heard. Do they know that they should stay as far away from the House as possible because the House may kill it anyway? I wonder if their leadership has considered the fallout that they will receive by even appearing to attempt to influence the House vote. It's like a live punt where the receiving team needs to vacate the vicinity to avoid touching a ball which would then become live. Nothing good can come of it.

At this point you have to begin to wonder why any school in the Big Ten or the SEC would actually want Florida State University as a conference mate.
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(10-16-2026 09:09 AM)FSBlueApocalypse Wrote:  https://www.tomahawknation.com/florida-s...sports-act

Really interesting article with FSU's chairman about the PCSA.

Accuses ACC of not giving schools the full picture and there were other ACC schools on the call that lead to FSU, Miami, Clemson, and UNC signing the 9/29 letter.

Very interesting. The details come as no surprise to anyone familiar with the situation, but they do have a nice astringent effect on the spin that always goes around. Thank you.
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(10-16-2026 09:09 AM)FSBlueApocalypse Wrote:  https://www.tomahawknation.com/florida-s...sports-act

Really interesting article with FSU's chairman about the PCSA.

Accuses ACC of not giving schools the full picture and there were other ACC schools on the call that lead to FSU, Miami, Clemson, and UNC signing the 9/29 letter.

"Collins said the SEC and Big Ten endorsement was what got schools looking closely at the bill, “When you look at (Section) 205 and … you’re Florida State, and you just fought for the ability to leave, to be able to go somewhere regardless if you have a spot or not, the last thing you’re going to do is just turn around and have the government tell you, no, you can’t move” Collins said."

Florida State always had the ability to leave, the school just didn't like the terms.
FSU's lawsuit didn't win the ability to leave, but the compromise settlement gave the school a better defined path on much more favorable terms and left ESPN's GOR contracts untested in the courts.

The above paragraph exposes the entire article as nothing more than pure spin and 04-bs
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(10-17-2026 09:20 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 09:09 AM)FSBlueApocalypse Wrote:  https://www.tomahawknation.com/florida-s...sports-act

Really interesting article with FSU's chairman about the PCSA.

Accuses ACC of not giving schools the full picture and there were other ACC schools on the call that lead to FSU, Miami, Clemson, and UNC signing the 9/29 letter.

"Collins said the SEC and Big Ten endorsement was what got schools looking closely at the bill, “When you look at (Section) 205 and … you’re Florida State, and you just fought for the ability to leave, to be able to go somewhere regardless if you have a spot or not, the last thing you’re going to do is just turn around and have the government tell you, no, you can’t move” Collins said."

Florida State always had the ability to leave, the school just didn't like the terms.
FSU's lawsuit didn't win the ability to leave, but the compromise settlement gave the school a better defined path on much more favorable terms and left ESPN's GOR contracts untested in the courts.

The above paragraph exposes the entire article as nothing more than pure spin and 04-bs

Yeah, they could leave... but the ACC retained their media rights in full for a decade. Thats like saying you don't have to stay on the train, you could always jump off of it.
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(10-16-2026 10:41 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 03:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 03:11 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 01:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 12:23 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  They were probably buried in the ACC vault next to the ironclad GoR.

Vault? Do you mean the leatherette satchel with the 3 digit dial code? I do love the conspiracy angle, however. Nothing like a conspiracy to make the ordinary perfunctory decisions of a business seem nefarious and those impacted to feel important for having to carry out the Herculean task of overthrowing the monolithic faceless machine of the cabal that is against them in order to preserve whatever it is they must preserve, maybe this year's fig crop. It all lends such nobility to simply being a helpless fan who doesn't know why their academic leadership is pondering a move for the future of their alma mater.

If anyone ever wonders how much college sports means in the South? FSU is your answer! The whole state stops what it is doing to rally behind the cause, and that is admirable.

Fascinating how engaged the FSU BoT Chairman became once the actual language of the entire legislation was communicated in August. Senator Moody (R-FL) proposed various amendments immediately. Wa-la compromises were made by voice acclamation prior to the full Senate vote. The conference cap is increase from 19 to 20, the independence clause is reduced to three years and eliminated entirely after five years. Senators Moody even votes in favor of PCSA, which passes the Senate 77-22.

But the Senate compromises are not enough for FSU BoT Chairman. He’s clearly pushing to change the PCSA or have the House of Reps not vote on it (i.e., kill the legislation).

How endeared the Seminoles would be to the Big Ten, SEC, ACC, and Big 12 if the exemption is lost. I'm sure all of them would welcome the presence of such a school where there are extraneous voices to the president to be heard. Do they know that they should stay as far away from the House as possible because the House may kill it anyway? I wonder if their leadership has considered the fallout that they will receive by even appearing to attempt to influence the House vote. It's like a live punt where the receiving team needs to vacate the vicinity to avoid touching a ball which would then become live. Nothing good can come of it.

At this point you have to begin to wonder why any school in the Big Ten or the SEC would actually want Florida State University as a conference mate.

Based on history, money is the only thing that matters and those sorts of quotes are just hot air.
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(10-17-2026 03:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 10:41 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 03:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 03:11 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(10-16-2026 01:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Vault? Do you mean the leatherette satchel with the 3 digit dial code? I do love the conspiracy angle, however. Nothing like a conspiracy to make the ordinary perfunctory decisions of a business seem nefarious and those impacted to feel important for having to carry out the Herculean task of overthrowing the monolithic faceless machine of the cabal that is against them in order to preserve whatever it is they must preserve, maybe this year's fig crop. It all lends such nobility to simply being a helpless fan who doesn't know why their academic leadership is pondering a move for the future of their alma mater.

If anyone ever wonders how much college sports means in the South? FSU is your answer! The whole state stops what it is doing to rally behind the cause, and that is admirable.

Fascinating how engaged the FSU BoT Chairman became once the actual language of the entire legislation was communicated in August. Senator Moody (R-FL) proposed various amendments immediately. Wa-la compromises were made by voice acclamation prior to the full Senate vote. The conference cap is increase from 19 to 20, the independence clause is reduced to three years and eliminated entirely after five years. Senators Moody even votes in favor of PCSA, which passes the Senate 77-22.

But the Senate compromises are not enough for FSU BoT Chairman. He’s clearly pushing to change the PCSA or have the House of Reps not vote on it (i.e., kill the legislation).

How endeared the Seminoles would be to the Big Ten, SEC, ACC, and Big 12 if the exemption is lost. I'm sure all of them would welcome the presence of such a school where there are extraneous voices to the president to be heard. Do they know that they should stay as far away from the House as possible because the House may kill it anyway? I wonder if their leadership has considered the fallout that they will receive by even appearing to attempt to influence the House vote. It's like a live punt where the receiving team needs to vacate the vicinity to avoid touching a ball which would then become live. Nothing good can come of it.

At this point you have to begin to wonder why any school in the Big Ten or the SEC would actually want Florida State University as a conference mate.

Based on history, money is the only thing that matters and those sorts of quotes are just hot air.

Well, based upon money Florida State would be 12th in a 17 member SEC. That's the reality here Bullet, and it is why since Clemson would be lower and North Carolina and Virginia even lower and all of them lower than Miami. What's more is FSU's crowds are fair weather as are Miami's. North Carolina and Clemson's crowds are the same win or lose. Don't know about Virginia. FSU adds a fraction of 35% of the Florida college sports market when you account for about a 70% overlap with Florida's market reach.

FSU is not a slam dunk period for the SEC. They declined an invitation in 1991, the sued the ACC something every conference took note of, and they don't deliver that wonderful money you are speaking about. They do deliver a reasonable viewership, but so too does Miami and Clemson. Only one of them matches or exceeds the SEC's average attendance, Clemson. They are all well below the mean or average total revenue production.

In that world Bullet the SEC looks for what can be added that it doesn't already have more of and with better numbers. That's market reach which Virginia and North Carolina combined deliver a fresh 20 million to the SEC, and which FSU with it's average viewership unduplicated by the Gators would be an additional 9 million and Miami's about 7 million. Clemson gives us 2.5 million.

This is why many are saying the SEC's pick would be North Carolina and Virginia which do add to the SEC academically, in terms of average basketball attendance and as hot TV products for hoops. Miami at least adds viewership in part of the state of Florida where the Gators have a presence but not nearly as strong as Miami's.

I say all of this to let you know that anything which adds to NET negatives for FSU only hurts their chances because the money isn't floating our boat. Notre Dame would. So any additions from the ACC need to improve the SEC in an area where we need improvement. We don't need any school which places in our bottom third in revenue generation, or only in our middle in wins.

The money for the SEC from any ACC additions will be found in new markets and additional market reach and in strengthening our weaknesses, hoops revenue and academic profile. FSU may one day attain AAU status but likely will have to wait for a few to drop out of ACC in order to get in and then there are a few with better credentials ahead of them hoping to get in and Nebraska hoping to get in again.
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(10-17-2026 04:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well, based upon money Florida State would be 12th in a 17 member SEC.

That doesn't pass the smell test to me. The five worse would be, what, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, MSU, Ole Miss and South Carolina? I think FSU, as a full member, would easily be worth more than Missouri, Auburn or Kentucky too, at least. And that is assuming they stay mediocre while a team like Oklahoma stays good. Not a slam dunk by any means but not clearly lower half either.
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(10-17-2026 04:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well, based upon money Florida State would be 12th in a 17 member SEC.

That doesn't pass the smell test to me. The five worse would be, what, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, MSU, Ole Miss and South Carolina? I think FSU, as a full member, would easily be worth more than Missouri, Auburn or Kentucky too, at least. And that is assuming they stay mediocre while a team like Oklahoma stays good. Not a slam dunk by any means but not clearly lower half either.

You don't need a smell test Beaver. The data is posted in the P4 subforum. FSU's revenue last year was 20th nationally. Kentucky's was 18th and Arkansas's 22nd in the nation. Adjust them for the media difference and they are 8th in the SEC, but that is 8th out of 17. That's not a magnificent addition from a magnificent 7 school. The simple truth is that other schools add more and since those being considered would all be from the ACC (except maybe Kansas) they all would receive the same adjustment, and still possess the same advantages they have now, AAU top 20 academic rankings (higher for Duke a bit lower for Miami) and would still deliver much larger new markets than the share of the Florida market FSU delivered to the SEC.
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(10-17-2026 05:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Adjust them for the media difference and they are 8th in the SEC, but that is 8th out of 17.

Well that's what you implied, that they'd be 12th out of 17 in a 17 team SEC. The media contract is the biggest part of an FBS team's revenue, you have to factor it in.
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(10-17-2026 05:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Adjust them for the media difference and they are 8th in the SEC, but that is 8th out of 17.

Well that's what you implied, that they'd be 12th out of 17 in a 17 team SEC. The media contract is the biggest part of an FBS team's revenue, you have to factor it in.

The point is that they don't add without our having to equalize their pay and then they are in the middle. Nothing compelling about it. And since all of the other candidates are from the ACC it doesn't change that equation an iota's worth leaving UNC and UVa to add better markets, with better academics and with more value added in the Winter. It leaves Miami adding more in revenue potential, and Duke remains an interesting component for Winter, Academics, and making the broader deal happen. I replied to Bullet who said it was the money. Well, if the money is just at our average, it's not about money, is it? If it is about other considerations, then it isn't about money. And in other considerations there are others who deliver more. It's like I've told the board before, if a candidate doesn't add to your strength, then you select candidates that strengthen your weaknesses.
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(10-17-2026 05:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-17-2026 05:21 PM)The Beaver Wrote:  
(10-17-2026 05:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Adjust them for the media difference and they are 8th in the SEC, but that is 8th out of 17.

Well that's what you implied, that they'd be 12th out of 17 in a 17 team SEC. The media contract is the biggest part of an FBS team's revenue, you have to factor it in.

The point is that they don't add without our having to equalize their pay and then they are in the middle. Nothing compelling about it. And since all of the other candidates are from the ACC it doesn't change that equation an iota's worth leaving UNC and UVa to add better markets, with better academics and with more value added in the Winter. It leaves Miami adding more in revenue potential, and Duke remains an interesting component for Winter, Academics, and making the broader deal happen. I replied to Bullet who said it was the money. Well, if the money is just at our average, it's not about money, is it? If it is about other considerations, then it isn't about money. And in other considerations there are others who deliver more. It's like I've told the board before, if a candidate doesn't add to your strength, then you select candidates that strengthen your weaknesses.
Well Virginia at least would be even lower than FSU on that valuation chart. UNC too, potentially. It really depends on if basketball monetization or football performance change. If neither do then they're another Missouri or South Carolina (or Kentucky.)
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(10-17-2026 05:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-17-2026 05:21 PM)The Beaver Wrote:  
(10-17-2026 05:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Adjust them for the media difference and they are 8th in the SEC, but that is 8th out of 17.

Well that's what you implied, that they'd be 12th out of 17 in a 17 team SEC. The media contract is the biggest part of an FBS team's revenue, you have to factor it in.

The point is that they don't add without our having to equalize their pay and then they are in the middle. Nothing compelling about it. And since all of the other candidates are from the ACC it doesn't change that equation an iota's worth leaving UNC and UVa to add better markets, with better academics and with more value added in the Winter. It leaves Miami adding more in revenue potential, and Duke remains an interesting component for Winter, Academics, and making the broader deal happen. I replied to Bullet who said it was the money. Well, if the money is just at our average, it's not about money, is it? If it is about other considerations, then it isn't about money. And in other considerations there are others who deliver more. It's like I've told the board before, if a candidate doesn't add to your strength, then you select candidates that strengthen your weaknesses.

TV ratings add money. FSU is the best in the ACC and above half the SEC. You don't gain by adding schools who deduct from your football value. We aren't in the conference network era anymore. That's a declining revenue source.

When they start crunching the numbers, FSU will definitely among the next two added to the SEC.
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(10-17-2026 05:50 PM)The Beaver Wrote:  
(10-17-2026 05:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-17-2026 05:21 PM)The Beaver Wrote:  
(10-17-2026 05:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Adjust them for the media difference and they are 8th in the SEC, but that is 8th out of 17.

Well that's what you implied, that they'd be 12th out of 17 in a 17 team SEC. The media contract is the biggest part of an FBS team's revenue, you have to factor it in.

The point is that they don't add without our having to equalize their pay and then they are in the middle. Nothing compelling about it. And since all of the other candidates are from the ACC it doesn't change that equation an iota's worth leaving UNC and UVa to add better markets, with better academics and with more value added in the Winter. It leaves Miami adding more in revenue potential, and Duke remains an interesting component for Winter, Academics, and making the broader deal happen. I replied to Bullet who said it was the money. Well, if the money is just at our average, it's not about money, is it? If it is about other considerations, then it isn't about money. And in other considerations there are others who deliver more. It's like I've told the board before, if a candidate doesn't add to your strength, then you select candidates that strengthen your weaknesses.
Well Virginia at least would be even lower than FSU on that valuation chart. UNC too, potentially. It really depends on if basketball monetization or football performance change. If neither do then they're another Missouri or South Carolina (or Kentucky.)
No! It depends upon what the SEC presidents want. It depends upon what ESPN wants to do. And it doesn't depend upon anything else at all, except for the complicity of the applicants. Outside of the Big Ten there is only one compelling addition to be made, and they aren't joining either of us. If ESPN believes that they can make more money from UNC and UVa in the SEC and use those slots to make the ACC more money with a couple of more football additions, then that's what happens. The SECN picks up revenue for the new states and ESPN pays the additions pro rata. The same thing happens if the move is to 20 with Duke or Kansas and Miami.
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