(10-09-2026 02:47 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 02:39 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 01:59 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  4 to SEC
2 to Big 10
6 to Big 12

ACC dissolves by those 12 leaving at same time....GOR exit fee goes away

But obviously you would see a 12 team unified front and not 4 for that.

The 6 going to the Big 12 (assuming that would ever happen) would be fools to go along with that scheme. Why not collect their share of the exit fees from the first 6 teams, THEN go? (Of course, that doesn't match the Big XII fanboy fever dream).

Whatever the first group of 6 pay to leave ACC is what the next 6 of us would pay...its a wash, dissolvement moves all of this along quicker....Dissolvement also opens up the rights of the ACCN as it stands for ESPN could take it over to the Big 12, with the earlier new contract deal arriving over there vs waiting for ACC. ESPN needs either dissolvement or GOR expired to fully own the channel.

No that’s only if it’s bottomed out $75m to equal the same fees. What makes you even believe the B1G and SEC have six schools in mind? And then ordering them up at the same time? And then the Monster getting a deal that supports six more schools? It’s fantasy.

(10-09-2026 03:36 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  ....
What makes you even believe the B1G and SEC have six schools in mind? And then ordering them up at the same time?
....

A request by four schools to raise the conference membership cap to 22 could be taken as evidentiary support for this much of the hypothesis.

That makes room for 10 new members in those leagues. Upcoming CFP overhauls may already offer incentive enough to expand with multiple schools in one go.

I see no evidence to support a suggestion that ACC members would be interested in conference dissolution or in mass migration to the Monster 12, but I’m open to persuasion.

The exit fee “wash” is an interesting idea.

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(10-09-2026 03:57 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 03:36 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  ....
What makes you even believe the B1G and SEC have six schools in mind? And then ordering them up at the same time?
....

A request by four schools to raise the conference membership cap to 22 could be taken as evidentiary support for this much of the hypothesis.

That makes room for 10 new members in those leagues. Upcoming CFP overhauls may already offer incentive enough to expand with multiple schools in one go.

I see no evidence to support a suggestion that ACC members would be interested in conference dissolution or in mass migration to the Monster 12, but I’m open to persuasion.

The exit fee “wash” is an interesting idea.

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Wouldn't it be actual evidence if they just went ahead and dissolved now? Or a few years ago before ESPN picked up the option? Or they didn't sue FSU and Clemson? Or they didn't vote to expand? Or they didn't support the PCSA and caps in the first place?

What about the actual statements by the B1G and SEC? Is that evidence they don't want to expand? What about the notion the Fantabulous 4 want to start a PE conference? Could that indicate they understand where they sit with the B1G and SEC?

Nah, YoRmArk Iz a ShArk

(10-09-2026 02:47 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 02:39 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 01:59 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  4 to SEC
2 to Big 10
6 to Big 12

ACC dissolves by those 12 leaving at same time....GOR exit fee goes away

But obviously you would see a 12 team unified front and not 4 for that.

The 6 going to the Big 12 (assuming that would ever happen) would be fools to go along with that scheme. Why not collect their share of the exit fees from the first 6 teams, THEN go? (Of course, that doesn't match the Big XII fanboy fever dream).

Whatever the first group of 6 pay to leave ACC is what the next 6 of us would pay...its a wash, dissolvement moves all of this along quicker....Dissolvement also opens up the rights of the ACCN as it stands for ESPN could take it over to the Big 12, with the earlier new contract deal arriving over there vs waiting for ACC. ESPN needs either dissolvement or GOR expired to fully own the channel.

If the 2nd group waits, the first group could pay up to 1/2 of their exit fees. Consider:

1st 6 pay $75M each = $450M; divide that by the remaining 12 schools = $37.5M each

Now, 2nd group still pays $75M but can apply their $37.5M to it, leaving them having to pay a net of $75M - $37.5M = $37.5M net cost per school.

The 6 ACC schools left behind would end up with $37.5M each from the 1st group and $75M from the 2nd group = $112.5M each (or they could use some/all of that to rebuild the ACC).

(10-09-2026 03:57 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 03:36 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  ....
What makes you even believe the B1G and SEC have six schools in mind? And then ordering them up at the same time?
....

A request by four schools to raise the conference membership cap to 22 could be taken as evidentiary support for this much of the hypothesis.

That makes room for 10 new members in those leagues. Upcoming CFP overhauls may already offer incentive enough to expand with multiple schools in one go.

I see no evidence to support a suggestion that ACC members would be interested in conference dissolution or in mass migration to the Monster 12, but I’m open to persuasion.

The exit fee “wash” is an interesting idea.

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That is just one way to interpret this. There are two others:

1. They want the cap at 22 so that all four can go to the Big Ten.

2. They want 22 so that all four PLUS 2 other schools not mentioned can join them in the SEC (maybe NC State and Va Tech?).

(10-09-2026 06:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 03:57 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 03:36 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  ....
What makes you even believe the B1G and SEC have six schools in mind? And then ordering them up at the same time?
....

A request by four schools to raise the conference membership cap to 22 could be taken as evidentiary support for this much of the hypothesis.

That makes room for 10 new members in those leagues. Upcoming CFP overhauls may already offer incentive enough to expand with multiple schools in one go.

I see no evidence to support a suggestion that ACC members would be interested in conference dissolution or in mass migration to the Monster 12, but I’m open to persuasion.

The exit fee “wash” is an interesting idea.

__

That is just one way to interpret this. There are two others:

1. They want the cap at 22 so that all four can go to the Big Ten.

2. They want 22 so that all four PLUS 2 other schools not mentioned can join them in the SEC (maybe NC State and Va Tech?).

3. They have been in discussion with PE and there are 18 schools amongst the other A4 conferences that are ideal for a P1.

(10-09-2026 06:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 03:57 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 03:36 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  ....
What makes you even believe the B1G and SEC have six schools in mind? And then ordering them up at the same time?
....

A request by four schools to raise the conference membership cap to 22 could be taken as evidentiary support for this much of the hypothesis.

That makes room for 10 new members in those leagues. Upcoming CFP overhauls may already offer incentive enough to expand with multiple schools in one go.

I see no evidence to support a suggestion that ACC members would be interested in conference dissolution or in mass migration to the Monster 12, but I’m open to persuasion.

The exit fee “wash” is an interesting idea.

That is just one way to interpret this. There are two others:

1. They want the cap at 22 so that all four can go to the Big Ten.

2. They want 22 so that all four PLUS 2 other schools not mentioned can join them in the SEC (maybe NC State and Va Tech?).

Yes indeed. Very plausible. A couple of variants:

1a. These four have two leagues talking to them. Raising the cap preserves the strong negotiating position while...

2a. Opening more destination spots for other ACC teams, however things go.

(10-09-2026 09:25 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  3. They have been in discussion with PE and there are 18 schools amongst the other A4 conferences that are ideal for a P1.

That would be wild if ACC schools jump-started the Exodus.

Like the ambush from that other ‘raptor nobody noticed was there.

(10-09-2026 09:43 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 09:25 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  3. They have been in discussion with PE and there are 18 schools amongst the other A4 conferences that are ideal for a P1.

That would be wild if ACC schools jump-started the Exodus.

Like the ambush from that other ‘raptor nobody noticed was there.

“Clever girl”

That’s what I’ve been trying to say but apparently not being clear enough.

The ACC 4 are top 15/20 brands and if PE is in their ear, then they have reason to push this if the B1G and SEC aren’t expanding.

(10-09-2026 03:57 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 03:36 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  ....
What makes you even believe the B1G and SEC have six schools in mind? And then ordering them up at the same time?
....

A request by four schools to raise the conference membership cap to 22 could be taken as evidentiary support for this much of the hypothesis.

That makes room for 10 new members in those leagues. Upcoming CFP overhauls may already offer incentive enough to expand with multiple schools in one go.

I see no evidence to support a suggestion that ACC members would be interested in conference dissolution or in mass migration to the Monster 12, but I’m open to persuasion.

The exit fee “wash” is an interesting idea.

__

ACC is a better brand name than Big 12. If the two conferences merge, the preferred name should be ACC for the merged conference.

(10-09-2026 10:23 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 09:43 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 09:25 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  3. They have been in discussion with PE and there are 18 schools amongst the other A4 conferences that are ideal for a P1.

That would be wild if ACC schools jump-started the Exodus.

Like the ambush from that other ‘raptor nobody noticed was there.

“Clever girl”

That’s what I’ve been trying to say but apparently not being clear enough.

The ACC 4 are top 15/20 brands and if PE is in their ear, then they have reason to push this if the B1G and SEC aren’t expanding.

It would be a daring play. One for the ages.

If correct, let the record show you called it first.

(If incorrect, let the record still show you called it first. lol)

The PE request is puzzling. Everyone thought PE was yesterday’s news. Then the request popped up in the House. Whatever brought that on, the card isn’t showing face up.

(10-09-2026 09:25 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 06:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 03:57 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 03:36 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  ....
What makes you even believe the B1G and SEC have six schools in mind? And then ordering them up at the same time?
....

A request by four schools to raise the conference membership cap to 22 could be taken as evidentiary support for this much of the hypothesis.

That makes room for 10 new members in those leagues. Upcoming CFP overhauls may already offer incentive enough to expand with multiple schools in one go.

I see no evidence to support a suggestion that ACC members would be interested in conference dissolution or in mass migration to the Monster 12, but I’m open to persuasion.

The exit fee “wash” is an interesting idea.

__

That is just one way to interpret this. There are two others:

1. They want the cap at 22 so that all four can go to the Big Ten.

2. They want 22 so that all four PLUS 2 other schools not mentioned can join them in the SEC (maybe NC State and Va Tech?).

3. They have been in discussion with PE and there are 18 schools amongst the other A4 conferences that are ideal for a P1.

I stepped away yesterday to head to the game last night...deleted a couple of rushed nonsense posts so I wouldn't get flamed anymore...because I do want to keep this a sensible discussion...

So, can I point out this is both intriguing to hear about and possibly just as dreamlandish as my over the top 12 leave the ACC at once idea? Why would a P1 of 22 schools even happen? Are we saying Texas, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, Bama, etc are leaving their posts to join a P1...Is this the English Premiere League for college football people are clamoring for, and leave rest of the schools behind?

I could see the P2 Super League with 40-48 happen and park rest of the sports in regional conferences well before a P1 of 22 happens....I need more info on this, or its fantsyful idea like a mass movement into a P3 all at once.

Playing catch up on the conference realignment board from last couple of days....I guess I'm misreading this 22 indy conference idea...its not for 6 ACCs and Bama, Texas, etc P1...its the temporary 3 year waiting period league...made up of 6+ from ACC heading to SEC and Big 10, and some non P4 friends?

(10-09-2026 06:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 02:47 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 02:39 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 01:59 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  4 to SEC
2 to Big 10
6 to Big 12

ACC dissolves by those 12 leaving at same time....GOR exit fee goes away

But obviously you would see a 12 team unified front and not 4 for that.

The 6 going to the Big 12 (assuming that would ever happen) would be fools to go along with that scheme. Why not collect their share of the exit fees from the first 6 teams, THEN go? (Of course, that doesn't match the Big XII fanboy fever dream).

Whatever the first group of 6 pay to leave ACC is what the next 6 of us would pay...its a wash, dissolvement moves all of this along quicker....Dissolvement also opens up the rights of the ACCN as it stands for ESPN could take it over to the Big 12, with the earlier new contract deal arriving over there vs waiting for ACC. ESPN needs either dissolvement or GOR expired to fully own the channel.

If the 2nd group waits, the first group could pay up to 1/2 of their exit fees. Consider:

1st 6 pay $75M each = $450M; divide that by the remaining 12 schools = $37.5M each

Now, 2nd group still pays $75M but can apply their $37.5M to it, leaving them having to pay a net of $75M - $37.5M = $37.5M net cost per school.

The 6 ACC schools left behind would end up with $37.5M each from the 1st group and $75M from the 2nd group = $112.5M each (or they could use some/all of that to rebuild the ACC).

Yes, this is the more likely plan for us in the 2nd group, and I think UofL and VT are probably both in that together.. EDIT: Well, VT might have a better shot at SEC than I'm really entertaining.... We collect our checks from first group, then hear out 2-3 ideas for our next home....1 being stay put in the rebuilt ACC. Some schools like BC stay put and build a treasure chest off of the exit fees.

(10-09-2026 09:25 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 06:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 03:57 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 03:36 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  ....
What makes you even believe the B1G and SEC have six schools in mind? And then ordering them up at the same time?
....

A request by four schools to raise the conference membership cap to 22 could be taken as evidentiary support for this much of the hypothesis.

That makes room for 10 new members in those leagues. Upcoming CFP overhauls may already offer incentive enough to expand with multiple schools in one go.

I see no evidence to support a suggestion that ACC members would be interested in conference dissolution or in mass migration to the Monster 12, but I’m open to persuasion.

The exit fee “wash” is an interesting idea.

__

That is just one way to interpret this. There are two others:

1. They want the cap at 22 so that all four can go to the Big Ten.

2. They want 22 so that all four PLUS 2 other schools not mentioned can join them in the SEC (maybe NC State and Va Tech?).

3. They have been in discussion with PE and there are 18 schools amongst the other A4 conferences that are ideal for a P1.

4. They simply want the 22 as insurance in case the current ACC+ESPN Plan A fails. The current case to beat is the ACC as the P3 with disproportionate revenue for media brands…that provides for acceptable homes national title contenders including partial ND. The larger the cap, the easier it is for brands to leverage media companies for an invitation to a desired destination.

(10-09-2026 09:35 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 06:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 03:57 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 03:36 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  ....
What makes you even believe the B1G and SEC have six schools in mind? And then ordering them up at the same time?
....

A request by four schools to raise the conference membership cap to 22 could be taken as evidentiary support for this much of the hypothesis.

That makes room for 10 new members in those leagues. Upcoming CFP overhauls may already offer incentive enough to expand with multiple schools in one go.

I see no evidence to support a suggestion that ACC members would be interested in conference dissolution or in mass migration to the Monster 12, but I’m open to persuasion.

The exit fee “wash” is an interesting idea.

That is just one way to interpret this. There are two others:

1. They want the cap at 22 so that all four can go to the Big Ten.

2. They want 22 so that all four PLUS 2 other schools not mentioned can join them in the SEC (maybe NC State and Va Tech?).

Yes indeed. Very plausible. A couple of variants:

1a. These four have two leagues talking to them. Raising the cap preserves the strong negotiating position while...

2a. Opening more destination spots for other ACC teams, however things go.

h/t (hat tip) flugaur ...
I've alluded to this scenario ...

NC State
UNC
Va Tech
UVA
FSU
Clemson

Miami
GT
ND
Stanford

SKIT SKAT HOW 'BOUT THAT

(10-10-2026 07:15 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 09:25 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 06:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 03:57 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 03:36 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  ....
What makes you even believe the B1G and SEC have six schools in mind? And then ordering them up at the same time?
....

A request by four schools to raise the conference membership cap to 22 could be taken as evidentiary support for this much of the hypothesis.

That makes room for 10 new members in those leagues. Upcoming CFP overhauls may already offer incentive enough to expand with multiple schools in one go.

I see no evidence to support a suggestion that ACC members would be interested in conference dissolution or in mass migration to the Monster 12, but I’m open to persuasion.

The exit fee “wash” is an interesting idea.

__

That is just one way to interpret this. There are two others:

1. They want the cap at 22 so that all four can go to the Big Ten.

2. They want 22 so that all four PLUS 2 other schools not mentioned can join them in the SEC (maybe NC State and Va Tech?).

3. They have been in discussion with PE and there are 18 schools amongst the other A4 conferences that are ideal for a P1.

4. They simply want the 22 as insurance in case the current ACC+ESPN Plan A fails. The current case to beat is the ACC as the P3 with disproportionate revenue for media brands…that provides for acceptable homes national title contenders including partial ND. The larger the cap, the easier it is for brands to leverage media companies for an invitation to a desired destination.

I could see something like that. You turn #4 into the top G conference. That would create 5 spots in the ACC. Kansas plus 1 to the SEC to reconnect rivalries & bolster basketball. Who’s the plus 1? Perhaps 2 ACC schools, bringing Kansas & WV to the ACC with the 4C? Would the SEC consider Kansas & Arizona? There are options in this scenario.

(10-10-2026 07:15 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 09:25 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 06:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 03:57 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 03:36 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  ....
What makes you even believe the B1G and SEC have six schools in mind? And then ordering them up at the same time?
....

A request by four schools to raise the conference membership cap to 22 could be taken as evidentiary support for this much of the hypothesis.

That makes room for 10 new members in those leagues. Upcoming CFP overhauls may already offer incentive enough to expand with multiple schools in one go.

I see no evidence to support a suggestion that ACC members would be interested in conference dissolution or in mass migration to the Monster 12, but I’m open to persuasion.

The exit fee “wash” is an interesting idea.

__

That is just one way to interpret this. There are two others:

1. They want the cap at 22 so that all four can go to the Big Ten.

2. They want 22 so that all four PLUS 2 other schools not mentioned can join them in the SEC (maybe NC State and Va Tech?).

3. They have been in discussion with PE and there are 18 schools amongst the other A4 conferences that are ideal for a P1.

4. They simply want the 22 as insurance in case the current ACC+ESPN Plan A fails. The current case to beat is the ACC as the P3 with disproportionate revenue for media brands…that provides for acceptable homes national title contenders including partial ND. The larger the cap, the easier it is for brands to leverage media companies for an invitation to a desired destination.

FORGET THAT! I'm for making it POSSIBLE to leave, but NOT EASY or LIKELY.

Heard that FSU has an annual Board of Regents away game trip, and last night was this years. For FSU fans, obviously the Norvell watch, but I wonder(maybe hope) that there were some meetings with UofL brass while here too on the bigger broader landscape of things.

(10-10-2026 04:57 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 09:25 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 06:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 03:57 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(10-09-2026 03:36 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  ....
What makes you even believe the B1G and SEC have six schools in mind? And then ordering them up at the same time?
....

A request by four schools to raise the conference membership cap to 22 could be taken as evidentiary support for this much of the hypothesis.

That makes room for 10 new members in those leagues. Upcoming CFP overhauls may already offer incentive enough to expand with multiple schools in one go.

I see no evidence to support a suggestion that ACC members would be interested in conference dissolution or in mass migration to the Monster 12, but I’m open to persuasion.

The exit fee “wash” is an interesting idea.

__

That is just one way to interpret this. There are two others:

1. They want the cap at 22 so that all four can go to the Big Ten.

2. They want 22 so that all four PLUS 2 other schools not mentioned can join them in the SEC (maybe NC State and Va Tech?).

3. They have been in discussion with PE and there are 18 schools amongst the other A4 conferences that are ideal for a P1.

I stepped away yesterday to head to the game last night...deleted a couple of rushed nonsense posts so I wouldn't get flamed anymore...because I do want to keep this a sensible discussion...

So, can I point out this is both intriguing to hear about and possibly just as dreamlandish as my over the top 12 leave the ACC at once idea? Why would a P1 of 22 schools even happen? Are we saying Texas, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, Bama, etc are leaving their posts to join a P1...Is this the English Premiere League for college football people are clamoring for, and leave rest of the schools behind?

I could see the P2 Super League with 40-48 happen and park rest of the sports in regional conferences well before a P1 of 22 happens....I need more info on this, or its fantsyful idea like a mass movement into a P3 all at once.

The key difference is I am talking about the outlawing of PE bundling being dropped from the PCSA—which some schools have put back on the table.

PE bundling was specifically not wanted by the B1G and SEC because it would be the mechanism to fund a P1.

Your scenario becomes realistic if the outlawing of PE bundling is dropped from the PCSA as well, because it’s essentially the only way a fell swoop could work. An outside entity funding everything at once