(08-24-2026 05:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-24-2026 02:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Mumbling? No, I'm speaking very clearly. I'm talking about Hastings, Michigan and Barry County.

Speaking of which, have you ever been there? I have multiple times and will be again this Saturday.

Hastings is small city in rural Michigan with a population of around 7,500 people. Almost 99% of them are US citizens as of 2024, where none of the households reported speaking a non-English language at home as their primary shared language.
https://datausa.io/profile/geo/hastings-mi

Barry County has a population of around 63k. Just over 98% of them are US citizens as of 2024, and again, reports no households speaking a non-English language as their primary shared language.
https://datausa.io/profile/geo/barry-county-mi

In the 2024 election, trump got over 66% of the vote.
https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/elec...rry-county

But please go on about how they're being forced to add non-citizens to their voting rolls by that meanie SOS, Jocelyn Benson, and that they apparently have no way of finding them and have to let them all vote...seemingly...for democrats.

I'm talking about the whole state of Michigan, try and keep up.

"non-citizens are being placed on the voter rolls at the Secretary of State level"

Yeah...and...your alleged proof of this is a rightwing rag talking about a couple right wing nut jobs in the place I'm talking about.

And asking for additional assistance in verifying citizenship is not the same as claiming noncitizens are being added to the Qualified Voter File (QVF) without local knowledge.

And I found the following nugget on a website when looking into this further. Wise words you should probably heed after your Germany server USA deaths debacle.

Quote:Read with caution - this story is only being covered by one news source that has a ‘low factuality’ rating, which means the outlet has a history of poor reporting practices. Learn more about factuality ratings here.

(08-25-2026 06:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2026 05:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-24-2026 02:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Mumbling? No, I'm speaking very clearly. I'm talking about Hastings, Michigan and Barry County.

Speaking of which, have you ever been there? I have multiple times and will be again this Saturday.

Hastings is small city in rural Michigan with a population of around 7,500 people. Almost 99% of them are US citizens as of 2024, where none of the households reported speaking a non-English language at home as their primary shared language.
https://datausa.io/profile/geo/hastings-mi

Barry County has a population of around 63k. Just over 98% of them are US citizens as of 2024, and again, reports no households speaking a non-English language as their primary shared language.
https://datausa.io/profile/geo/barry-county-mi

In the 2024 election, trump got over 66% of the vote.
https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/elec...rry-county

But please go on about how they're being forced to add non-citizens to their voting rolls by that meanie SOS, Jocelyn Benson, and that they apparently have no way of finding them and have to let them all vote...seemingly...for democrats.

I'm talking about the whole state of Michigan, try and keep up.

"non-citizens are being placed on the voter rolls at the Secretary of State level"

Yeah...and...your alleged proof of this is a rightwing rag talking about a couple right wing nut jobs in the place I'm talking about.

And asking for additional assistance in verifying citizenship is not the same as claiming noncitizens are being added to the Qualified Voter File (QVF) without local knowledge.

And I found the following nugget on a website when looking into this further. Wise words you should probably heed after your Germany server USA deaths debacle.

Quote:Read with caution - this story is only being covered by one news source that has a ‘low factuality’ rating, which means the outlet has a history of poor reporting practices. Learn more about factuality ratings here.

Wouldn't it just be easier for you to say "I don't care"

Here's another little nugget for you to chew on.

Democrat canvassers vote to keep Citizens Only Voting initiative off November ballot
Americans for Citizen Voting Chairman Paul Jacob:

'You can't cheat the people of Michigan and get away with it'

Lansing—Democratic members of the Michigan Board of State Canvassers voted Monday against certifying the Americans for Citizen Voting initiative, leaving the proposed constitutional amendment to require proof of citizenship off the November ballot after a contentious debate.

The four-member board deadlocked 2-2, with Republican members Chair Richard Houskamp and Paul Cordes voting to certify the petition and Democratic members Vice Chair Mary Ellen Gurewitz and Heather Cummings voting against certification. Since the Board has four members in order to have a petition certified there must be at least three members who vote for it.

The initiative needed 629 valid signatures in the state’s random sample to receive a recommendation for certification. Bureau of Elections staff determined that 626 of the 1,000 signatures reviewed in the sample were valid, putting the petition below the required threshold.

Americans for Citizen Voting challenged the findings and submitted sworn affidavits from petition signers whose signatures had been rejected by election officials. Organizers argued the affidavits demonstrated that several signatures the state had deemed invalid were actually signed by registered voters.

The organization presented testimony from a notary who had notarized affidavits submitted by petition signers. The board reviewed 20 affidavits during the proceedings, with five becoming central to the final decision.

Rest of the story,
https://www.themidwesterner.news/2026/08...er-ballot/

(08-25-2026 11:06 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-25-2026 06:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2026 05:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-24-2026 02:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Mumbling? No, I'm speaking very clearly. I'm talking about Hastings, Michigan and Barry County.

Speaking of which, have you ever been there? I have multiple times and will be again this Saturday.

Hastings is small city in rural Michigan with a population of around 7,500 people. Almost 99% of them are US citizens as of 2024, where none of the households reported speaking a non-English language at home as their primary shared language.
https://datausa.io/profile/geo/hastings-mi

Barry County has a population of around 63k. Just over 98% of them are US citizens as of 2024, and again, reports no households speaking a non-English language as their primary shared language.
https://datausa.io/profile/geo/barry-county-mi

In the 2024 election, trump got over 66% of the vote.
https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/elec...rry-county

But please go on about how they're being forced to add non-citizens to their voting rolls by that meanie SOS, Jocelyn Benson, and that they apparently have no way of finding them and have to let them all vote...seemingly...for democrats.

I'm talking about the whole state of Michigan, try and keep up.

"non-citizens are being placed on the voter rolls at the Secretary of State level"

Yeah...and...your alleged proof of this is a rightwing rag talking about a couple right wing nut jobs in the place I'm talking about.

And asking for additional assistance in verifying citizenship is not the same as claiming noncitizens are being added to the Qualified Voter File (QVF) without local knowledge.

And I found the following nugget on a website when looking into this further. Wise words you should probably heed after your Germany server USA deaths debacle.

Quote:Read with caution - this story is only being covered by one news source that has a ‘low factuality’ rating, which means the outlet has a history of poor reporting practices. Learn more about factuality ratings here.

Wouldn't it just be easier for you to say "I don't care"

Here's another little nugget for you to chew on.

Democrat canvassers vote to keep Citizens Only Voting initiative off November ballot
Americans for Citizen Voting Chairman Paul Jacob:

'You can't cheat the people of Michigan and get away with it'

Lansing—Democratic members of the Michigan Board of State Canvassers voted Monday against certifying the Americans for Citizen Voting initiative, leaving the proposed constitutional amendment to require proof of citizenship off the November ballot after a contentious debate.

The four-member board deadlocked 2-2, with Republican members Chair Richard Houskamp and Paul Cordes voting to certify the petition and Democratic members Vice Chair Mary Ellen Gurewitz and Heather Cummings voting against certification. Since the Board has four members in order to have a petition certified there must be at least three members who vote for it.

The initiative needed 629 valid signatures in the state’s random sample to receive a recommendation for certification. Bureau of Elections staff determined that 626 of the 1,000 signatures reviewed in the sample were valid, putting the petition below the required threshold.

Americans for Citizen Voting challenged the findings and submitted sworn affidavits from petition signers whose signatures had been rejected by election officials. Organizers argued the affidavits demonstrated that several signatures the state had deemed invalid were actually signed by registered voters.

The organization presented testimony from a notary who had notarized affidavits submitted by petition signers. The board reviewed 20 affidavits during the proceedings, with five becoming central to the final decision.

Rest of the story,
https://www.themidwesterner.news/2026/08...er-ballot/

No, because that's a logical fallacy on your part. I care greatly about getting any noncitizens off the voter rolls. But I also understand that it's not the problem your side is telling you it is, so that you don't trust the outcome of elections your side loses.

I'm just asking for actual proof and evidence...not a right with rag reporting on an anonymous tip made to a right-wing not job local sheriff.

And yeah...that measure won't be on the ballot. But it was a dumb measure anyway that would not have passed even if it made the ballot. It would lead to a ridiculous burden being placed on countless voters for a problem...again...that just doesn't exist to be honest.

A review in Michigan in 2024 of 7.2 million active voter registrations found just 15 credible apparent noncitizen voters.

(08-25-2026 01:45 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-25-2026 11:06 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-25-2026 06:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2026 05:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-24-2026 02:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Mumbling? No, I'm speaking very clearly. I'm talking about Hastings, Michigan and Barry County.

Speaking of which, have you ever been there? I have multiple times and will be again this Saturday.

Hastings is small city in rural Michigan with a population of around 7,500 people. Almost 99% of them are US citizens as of 2024, where none of the households reported speaking a non-English language at home as their primary shared language.
https://datausa.io/profile/geo/hastings-mi

Barry County has a population of around 63k. Just over 98% of them are US citizens as of 2024, and again, reports no households speaking a non-English language as their primary shared language.
https://datausa.io/profile/geo/barry-county-mi

In the 2024 election, trump got over 66% of the vote.
https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/elec...rry-county

But please go on about how they're being forced to add non-citizens to their voting rolls by that meanie SOS, Jocelyn Benson, and that they apparently have no way of finding them and have to let them all vote...seemingly...for democrats.

I'm talking about the whole state of Michigan, try and keep up.

"non-citizens are being placed on the voter rolls at the Secretary of State level"

Yeah...and...your alleged proof of this is a rightwing rag talking about a couple right wing nut jobs in the place I'm talking about.

And asking for additional assistance in verifying citizenship is not the same as claiming noncitizens are being added to the Qualified Voter File (QVF) without local knowledge.

And I found the following nugget on a website when looking into this further. Wise words you should probably heed after your Germany server USA deaths debacle.

Quote:Read with caution - this story is only being covered by one news source that has a ‘low factuality’ rating, which means the outlet has a history of poor reporting practices. Learn more about factuality ratings here.

Wouldn't it just be easier for you to say "I don't care"

Here's another little nugget for you to chew on.

Democrat canvassers vote to keep Citizens Only Voting initiative off November ballot
Americans for Citizen Voting Chairman Paul Jacob:

'You can't cheat the people of Michigan and get away with it'

Lansing—Democratic members of the Michigan Board of State Canvassers voted Monday against certifying the Americans for Citizen Voting initiative, leaving the proposed constitutional amendment to require proof of citizenship off the November ballot after a contentious debate.

The four-member board deadlocked 2-2, with Republican members Chair Richard Houskamp and Paul Cordes voting to certify the petition and Democratic members Vice Chair Mary Ellen Gurewitz and Heather Cummings voting against certification. Since the Board has four members in order to have a petition certified there must be at least three members who vote for it.

The initiative needed 629 valid signatures in the state’s random sample to receive a recommendation for certification. Bureau of Elections staff determined that 626 of the 1,000 signatures reviewed in the sample were valid, putting the petition below the required threshold.

Americans for Citizen Voting challenged the findings and submitted sworn affidavits from petition signers whose signatures had been rejected by election officials. Organizers argued the affidavits demonstrated that several signatures the state had deemed invalid were actually signed by registered voters.

The organization presented testimony from a notary who had notarized affidavits submitted by petition signers. The board reviewed 20 affidavits during the proceedings, with five becoming central to the final decision.

Rest of the story,
https://www.themidwesterner.news/2026/08...er-ballot/

No, because that's a logical fallacy on your part. I care greatly about getting any noncitizens off the voter rolls. But I also understand that it's not the problem your side is telling you it is, so that you don't trust the outcome of elections your side loses.

I'm just asking for actual proof and evidence...not a right with rag reporting on an anonymous tip made to a right-wing not job local sheriff.

And yeah...that measure won't be on the ballot. But it was a dumb measure anyway that would not have passed even if it made the ballot. It would lead to a ridiculous burden being placed on countless voters for a problem...again...that just doesn't exist to be honest.

A review in Michigan in 2024 of 7.2 million active voter registrations found just 15 credible apparent noncitizen voters.

Can you demonstrate for the class which part of his statement is a logical fallacy? Additionally, if you could please expand on exactly what kind of logical fallacy he's guilty of, I would appreciate it. I'll hang up and listen now.

You guys are on a roll today, but your buttholes must be sore. A couple of you are pulling crap out of your butts while apparently expecting to go unchallenged.

Try harder.

(08-25-2026 04:56 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-25-2026 01:45 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-25-2026 11:06 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-25-2026 06:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2026 05:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  I'm talking about the whole state of Michigan, try and keep up.

"non-citizens are being placed on the voter rolls at the Secretary of State level"

Yeah...and...your alleged proof of this is a rightwing rag talking about a couple right wing nut jobs in the place I'm talking about.

And asking for additional assistance in verifying citizenship is not the same as claiming noncitizens are being added to the Qualified Voter File (QVF) without local knowledge.

And I found the following nugget on a website when looking into this further. Wise words you should probably heed after your Germany server USA deaths debacle.

Quote:Read with caution - this story is only being covered by one news source that has a ‘low factuality’ rating, which means the outlet has a history of poor reporting practices. Learn more about factuality ratings here.

Wouldn't it just be easier for you to say "I don't care"

Here's another little nugget for you to chew on.

Democrat canvassers vote to keep Citizens Only Voting initiative off November ballot
Americans for Citizen Voting Chairman Paul Jacob:

'You can't cheat the people of Michigan and get away with it'

Lansing—Democratic members of the Michigan Board of State Canvassers voted Monday against certifying the Americans for Citizen Voting initiative, leaving the proposed constitutional amendment to require proof of citizenship off the November ballot after a contentious debate.

The four-member board deadlocked 2-2, with Republican members Chair Richard Houskamp and Paul Cordes voting to certify the petition and Democratic members Vice Chair Mary Ellen Gurewitz and Heather Cummings voting against certification. Since the Board has four members in order to have a petition certified there must be at least three members who vote for it.

The initiative needed 629 valid signatures in the state’s random sample to receive a recommendation for certification. Bureau of Elections staff determined that 626 of the 1,000 signatures reviewed in the sample were valid, putting the petition below the required threshold.

Americans for Citizen Voting challenged the findings and submitted sworn affidavits from petition signers whose signatures had been rejected by election officials. Organizers argued the affidavits demonstrated that several signatures the state had deemed invalid were actually signed by registered voters.

The organization presented testimony from a notary who had notarized affidavits submitted by petition signers. The board reviewed 20 affidavits during the proceedings, with five becoming central to the final decision.

Rest of the story,
https://www.themidwesterner.news/2026/08...er-ballot/

No, because that's a logical fallacy on your part. I care greatly about getting any noncitizens off the voter rolls. But I also understand that it's not the problem your side is telling you it is, so that you don't trust the outcome of elections your side loses.

I'm just asking for actual proof and evidence...not a right with rag reporting on an anonymous tip made to a right-wing not job local sheriff.

And yeah...that measure won't be on the ballot. But it was a dumb measure anyway that would not have passed even if it made the ballot. It would lead to a ridiculous burden being placed on countless voters for a problem...again...that just doesn't exist to be honest.

A review in Michigan in 2024 of 7.2 million active voter registrations found just 15 credible apparent noncitizen voters.

Can you demonstrate for the class which part of his statement is a logical fallacy? Additionally, if you could please expand on exactly what kind of logical fallacy he's guilty of, I would appreciate it. I'll hang up and listen now.

I must have submitted this after tommie had left work. Am I the only one who finds it odd that tommie only posts from work on his employer's dime?

Nope.

(08-25-2026 04:56 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-25-2026 01:45 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-25-2026 11:06 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-25-2026 06:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2026 05:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  I'm talking about the whole state of Michigan, try and keep up.

"non-citizens are being placed on the voter rolls at the Secretary of State level"

Yeah...and...your alleged proof of this is a rightwing rag talking about a couple right wing nut jobs in the place I'm talking about.

And asking for additional assistance in verifying citizenship is not the same as claiming noncitizens are being added to the Qualified Voter File (QVF) without local knowledge.

And I found the following nugget on a website when looking into this further. Wise words you should probably heed after your Germany server USA deaths debacle.

Quote:Read with caution - this story is only being covered by one news source that has a ‘low factuality’ rating, which means the outlet has a history of poor reporting practices. Learn more about factuality ratings here.

Wouldn't it just be easier for you to say "I don't care"

Here's another little nugget for you to chew on.

Democrat canvassers vote to keep Citizens Only Voting initiative off November ballot
Americans for Citizen Voting Chairman Paul Jacob:

'You can't cheat the people of Michigan and get away with it'

Lansing—Democratic members of the Michigan Board of State Canvassers voted Monday against certifying the Americans for Citizen Voting initiative, leaving the proposed constitutional amendment to require proof of citizenship off the November ballot after a contentious debate.

The four-member board deadlocked 2-2, with Republican members Chair Richard Houskamp and Paul Cordes voting to certify the petition and Democratic members Vice Chair Mary Ellen Gurewitz and Heather Cummings voting against certification. Since the Board has four members in order to have a petition certified there must be at least three members who vote for it.

The initiative needed 629 valid signatures in the state’s random sample to receive a recommendation for certification. Bureau of Elections staff determined that 626 of the 1,000 signatures reviewed in the sample were valid, putting the petition below the required threshold.

Americans for Citizen Voting challenged the findings and submitted sworn affidavits from petition signers whose signatures had been rejected by election officials. Organizers argued the affidavits demonstrated that several signatures the state had deemed invalid were actually signed by registered voters.

The organization presented testimony from a notary who had notarized affidavits submitted by petition signers. The board reviewed 20 affidavits during the proceedings, with five becoming central to the final decision.

Rest of the story,
https://www.themidwesterner.news/2026/08...er-ballot/

No, because that's a logical fallacy on your part. I care greatly about getting any noncitizens off the voter rolls. But I also understand that it's not the problem your side is telling you it is, so that you don't trust the outcome of elections your side loses.

I'm just asking for actual proof and evidence...not a right with rag reporting on an anonymous tip made to a right-wing not job local sheriff.

And yeah...that measure won't be on the ballot. But it was a dumb measure anyway that would not have passed even if it made the ballot. It would lead to a ridiculous burden being placed on countless voters for a problem...again...that just doesn't exist to be honest.

A review in Michigan in 2024 of 7.2 million active voter registrations found just 15 credible apparent noncitizen voters.

Can you demonstrate for the class which part of his statement is a logical fallacy? Additionally, if you could please expand on exactly what kind of logical fallacy he's guilty of, I would appreciate it. I'll hang up and listen now.

False dilemma/False dichotomy and/or Straw man. Either works.

The first is assuming there are only two possibilities. Either you fully support a topic or your do not care about it at all. A person can care about a topic and still criticize its flaws.

The later is misrepresenting my position and attempting to make it easier to dismiss.

"I must have submitted this after tommie had left work. Am I the only one who finds it odd that tommie only posts from work on his employer's dime?" tb4e

Schiff, I've been saying this for years now. I have maintained that he is being paid to post here, he is a paid propagandist because the things that he defends sometimes border on the insane and because the orders have to come from someone above him, you know like the Left Stream Media does it. He has never negated my claims.

(08-26-2026 05:24 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-25-2026 04:56 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-25-2026 01:45 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-25-2026 11:06 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-25-2026 06:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yeah...and...your alleged proof of this is a rightwing rag talking about a couple right wing nut jobs in the place I'm talking about.

And asking for additional assistance in verifying citizenship is not the same as claiming noncitizens are being added to the Qualified Voter File (QVF) without local knowledge.

And I found the following nugget on a website when looking into this further. Wise words you should probably heed after your Germany server USA deaths debacle.

Wouldn't it just be easier for you to say "I don't care"

Here's another little nugget for you to chew on.

Democrat canvassers vote to keep Citizens Only Voting initiative off November ballot
Americans for Citizen Voting Chairman Paul Jacob:

'You can't cheat the people of Michigan and get away with it'

Lansing—Democratic members of the Michigan Board of State Canvassers voted Monday against certifying the Americans for Citizen Voting initiative, leaving the proposed constitutional amendment to require proof of citizenship off the November ballot after a contentious debate.

The four-member board deadlocked 2-2, with Republican members Chair Richard Houskamp and Paul Cordes voting to certify the petition and Democratic members Vice Chair Mary Ellen Gurewitz and Heather Cummings voting against certification. Since the Board has four members in order to have a petition certified there must be at least three members who vote for it.

The initiative needed 629 valid signatures in the state’s random sample to receive a recommendation for certification. Bureau of Elections staff determined that 626 of the 1,000 signatures reviewed in the sample were valid, putting the petition below the required threshold.

Americans for Citizen Voting challenged the findings and submitted sworn affidavits from petition signers whose signatures had been rejected by election officials. Organizers argued the affidavits demonstrated that several signatures the state had deemed invalid were actually signed by registered voters.

The organization presented testimony from a notary who had notarized affidavits submitted by petition signers. The board reviewed 20 affidavits during the proceedings, with five becoming central to the final decision.

Rest of the story,
https://www.themidwesterner.news/2026/08...er-ballot/

No, because that's a logical fallacy on your part. I care greatly about getting any noncitizens off the voter rolls. But I also understand that it's not the problem your side is telling you it is, so that you don't trust the outcome of elections your side loses.

I'm just asking for actual proof and evidence...not a right with rag reporting on an anonymous tip made to a right-wing not job local sheriff.

And yeah...that measure won't be on the ballot. But it was a dumb measure anyway that would not have passed even if it made the ballot. It would lead to a ridiculous burden being placed on countless voters for a problem...again...that just doesn't exist to be honest.

A review in Michigan in 2024 of 7.2 million active voter registrations found just 15 credible apparent noncitizen voters.

Can you demonstrate for the class which part of his statement is a logical fallacy? Additionally, if you could please expand on exactly what kind of logical fallacy he's guilty of, I would appreciate it. I'll hang up and listen now.

I must have submitted this after tommie had left work. Am I the only one who finds it odd that tommie only posts from work on his employer's dime?

It might just be when the library closes.

(08-26-2026 03:20 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(08-26-2026 05:24 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I must have submitted this after tommie had left work. Am I the only one who finds it odd that tommie only posts from work on his employer's dime?

It might just be when the library closes.

His parents come from home from work and their basement is not insulated....

(08-26-2026 03:11 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  "I must have submitted this after tommie had left work. Am I the only one who finds it odd that tommie only posts from work on his employer's dime?" tb4e

Schiff, I've been saying this for years now. I have maintained that he is being paid to post here, he is a paid propagandist because the things that he defends sometimes border on the insane and because the orders have to come from someone above him, you know like the Left Stream Media does it. He has never negated my claims.

I hope you're kidding, because it is absolutely insane to believe anyone would pay someone to post on this obscure-ass board.

(08-26-2026 05:24 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-25-2026 04:56 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-25-2026 01:45 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-25-2026 11:06 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-25-2026 06:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yeah...and...your alleged proof of this is a rightwing rag talking about a couple right wing nut jobs in the place I'm talking about.

And asking for additional assistance in verifying citizenship is not the same as claiming noncitizens are being added to the Qualified Voter File (QVF) without local knowledge.

And I found the following nugget on a website when looking into this further. Wise words you should probably heed after your Germany server USA deaths debacle.

Wouldn't it just be easier for you to say "I don't care"

Here's another little nugget for you to chew on.

Democrat canvassers vote to keep Citizens Only Voting initiative off November ballot
Americans for Citizen Voting Chairman Paul Jacob:

'You can't cheat the people of Michigan and get away with it'

Lansing—Democratic members of the Michigan Board of State Canvassers voted Monday against certifying the Americans for Citizen Voting initiative, leaving the proposed constitutional amendment to require proof of citizenship off the November ballot after a contentious debate.

The four-member board deadlocked 2-2, with Republican members Chair Richard Houskamp and Paul Cordes voting to certify the petition and Democratic members Vice Chair Mary Ellen Gurewitz and Heather Cummings voting against certification. Since the Board has four members in order to have a petition certified there must be at least three members who vote for it.

The initiative needed 629 valid signatures in the state’s random sample to receive a recommendation for certification. Bureau of Elections staff determined that 626 of the 1,000 signatures reviewed in the sample were valid, putting the petition below the required threshold.

Americans for Citizen Voting challenged the findings and submitted sworn affidavits from petition signers whose signatures had been rejected by election officials. Organizers argued the affidavits demonstrated that several signatures the state had deemed invalid were actually signed by registered voters.

The organization presented testimony from a notary who had notarized affidavits submitted by petition signers. The board reviewed 20 affidavits during the proceedings, with five becoming central to the final decision.

Rest of the story,
https://www.themidwesterner.news/2026/08...er-ballot/

No, because that's a logical fallacy on your part. I care greatly about getting any noncitizens off the voter rolls. But I also understand that it's not the problem your side is telling you it is, so that you don't trust the outcome of elections your side loses.

I'm just asking for actual proof and evidence...not a right with rag reporting on an anonymous tip made to a right-wing not job local sheriff.

And yeah...that measure won't be on the ballot. But it was a dumb measure anyway that would not have passed even if it made the ballot. It would lead to a ridiculous burden being placed on countless voters for a problem...again...that just doesn't exist to be honest.

A review in Michigan in 2024 of 7.2 million active voter registrations found just 15 credible apparent noncitizen voters.

Can you demonstrate for the class which part of his statement is a logical fallacy? Additionally, if you could please expand on exactly what kind of logical fallacy he's guilty of, I would appreciate it. I'll hang up and listen now.

I must have submitted this after tommie had left work. Am I the only one who finds it odd that tommie only posts from work on his employer's dime?

I post during work hours but I am a salaried employee who is given lots of flexibility. As long as I am working the requisite number of hours and getting quality work done ... I'm good with my employer. Tom might have a similar situation, TB4E.

(08-27-2026 12:20 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I post during work hours but I am a salaried employee who is given lots of flexibility. As long as I am working the requisite number of hours and getting quality work done ... I'm good with my employer. Tom might have a similar situation, TB4E.

I think you misunderstood. Lots of us post during work. Tommie Bois ONLY posts during work.

(08-27-2026 12:20 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(08-26-2026 05:24 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-25-2026 04:56 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-25-2026 01:45 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-25-2026 11:06 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Wouldn't it just be easier for you to say "I don't care"

Here's another little nugget for you to chew on.

Democrat canvassers vote to keep Citizens Only Voting initiative off November ballot
Americans for Citizen Voting Chairman Paul Jacob:

'You can't cheat the people of Michigan and get away with it'

Lansing—Democratic members of the Michigan Board of State Canvassers voted Monday against certifying the Americans for Citizen Voting initiative, leaving the proposed constitutional amendment to require proof of citizenship off the November ballot after a contentious debate.

The four-member board deadlocked 2-2, with Republican members Chair Richard Houskamp and Paul Cordes voting to certify the petition and Democratic members Vice Chair Mary Ellen Gurewitz and Heather Cummings voting against certification. Since the Board has four members in order to have a petition certified there must be at least three members who vote for it.

The initiative needed 629 valid signatures in the state’s random sample to receive a recommendation for certification. Bureau of Elections staff determined that 626 of the 1,000 signatures reviewed in the sample were valid, putting the petition below the required threshold.

Americans for Citizen Voting challenged the findings and submitted sworn affidavits from petition signers whose signatures had been rejected by election officials. Organizers argued the affidavits demonstrated that several signatures the state had deemed invalid were actually signed by registered voters.

The organization presented testimony from a notary who had notarized affidavits submitted by petition signers. The board reviewed 20 affidavits during the proceedings, with five becoming central to the final decision.

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No, because that's a logical fallacy on your part. I care greatly about getting any noncitizens off the voter rolls. But I also understand that it's not the problem your side is telling you it is, so that you don't trust the outcome of elections your side loses.

I'm just asking for actual proof and evidence...not a right with rag reporting on an anonymous tip made to a right-wing not job local sheriff.

And yeah...that measure won't be on the ballot. But it was a dumb measure anyway that would not have passed even if it made the ballot. It would lead to a ridiculous burden being placed on countless voters for a problem...again...that just doesn't exist to be honest.

A review in Michigan in 2024 of 7.2 million active voter registrations found just 15 credible apparent noncitizen voters.

Can you demonstrate for the class which part of his statement is a logical fallacy? Additionally, if you could please expand on exactly what kind of logical fallacy he's guilty of, I would appreciate it. I'll hang up and listen now.

I must have submitted this after tommie had left work. Am I the only one who finds it odd that tommie only posts from work on his employer's dime?

I post during work hours but I am a salaried employee who is given lots of flexibility. As long as I am working the requisite number of hours and getting quality work done ... I'm good with my employer. Tom might have a similar situation, TB4E.

It's the E X A C T same scenario for me.

Additionally, these yokels have no clue what my daily work day entails. Parts of my job involve significant periods of down time while other computer operations, etc. are running. Some of them can take upwards of an hour or more.

But I'm sure they were all model employees who never took a second of personal time away from their job while on the clock.

(08-27-2026 11:27 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(08-26-2026 03:11 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  "I must have submitted this after tommie had left work. Am I the only one who finds it odd that tommie only posts from work on his employer's dime?" tb4e

Schiff, I've been saying this for years now. I have maintained that he is being paid to post here, he is a paid propagandist because the things that he defends sometimes border on the insane and because the orders have to come from someone above him, you know like the Left Stream Media does it. He has never negated my claims.

I hope you're kidding, because it is absolutely insane to believe anyone would pay someone to post on this obscure-ass board.

Oh...I don't know...folks like George Soros like to waste money in hopes of influencing like 12 random people from completely separate parts of the country!

(08-27-2026 12:42 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2026 12:20 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I post during work hours but I am a salaried employee who is given lots of flexibility. As long as I am working the requisite number of hours and getting quality work done ... I'm good with my employer. Tom might have a similar situation, TB4E.

I think you misunderstood. Lots of us post during work. Tommie Bois ONLY posts during work.

Wow...you got me.

If you feel the need to be on this site at most all hours of the day and weekend, you might might just need some life coaching.

(08-27-2026 12:42 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(08-27-2026 12:20 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I post during work hours but I am a salaried employee who is given lots of flexibility. As long as I am working the requisite number of hours and getting quality work done ... I'm good with my employer. Tom might have a similar situation, TB4E.

I think you misunderstood. Lots of us post during work. Tommie Bois ONLY posts during work.

Some people misunderstand the key word "only"

Internet service in his mom’s basement is hit and miss…

(08-27-2026 02:20 PM)450bench Wrote:  Internet service in his mom’s basement is hit and miss…

As are the synapses in your brain.