(06-01-2026 04:37 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Dem’s were happy with $5 plus per gallon gas under Biden. Their carping now is understandable. They will not be happy until gas prices sky rocket to Biden’s peak.

That's because they want to get rid of ownership of gas powered cars, and force everyone to drive electric vehicles, or force them onto public transportation.

(06-01-2026 08:03 PM)titanpredatorgrizzlie Wrote:  

(06-01-2026 04:37 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Dem’s were happy with $5 plus per gallon gas under Biden. Their carping now is understandable. They will not be happy until gas prices sky rocket to Biden’s peak.

That's because they want to get rid of ownership of gas powered cars, and force everyone to drive electric vehicles, or force them onto public transportation.

Except for rich and powerful Dem's, of course, like multi-millionaire three home owning and private jet flying Bernie Sanders.

(06-01-2026 09:18 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-01-2026 08:03 PM)titanpredatorgrizzlie Wrote:  

(06-01-2026 04:37 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Dem’s were happy with $5 plus per gallon gas under Biden. Their carping now is understandable. They will not be happy until gas prices sky rocket to Biden’s peak.

That's because they want to get rid of ownership of gas powered cars, and force everyone to drive electric vehicles, or force them onto public transportation.

Except for rich and powerful Dem's, of course, like multi-millionaire three home owning and private jet flying Bernie Sanders.

And the Obama's buying ocean front property in Martha's Vineyard while lecturing the right wing serfs and wenches about climate change.

(06-01-2026 03:26 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(06-01-2026 03:19 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-01-2026 02:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Are we winning yet, guys?

Biden* released about 260million barrels from the SpR.

Trump has released about 50million.

The reason we approaching the Biden* lows is because Biden* released so much oil that it damaged the tanks and little was replenished.

I don’t know how many Biden released, but Trump is releasing 172M barrels.

https://www.energy.gov/articles/united-s...um-reserve

There's also NO credible consensus that any of the draw downs under Biden did any further damage to the SPR caves. Umabla is just making **** up and/or believing right wing propaganda.

The SPR caves were built nearly 50 years ago and were designed to last about 25 years. Hence the obvious need for repairs and maintenance.

Additionally, his "quick release did damage" legend doesn't even hold water. Biden released 180 million barrels over 6 months...or around 180 days (1 million per day). trumps plan will release 172 million barrels a day over 120 days ( 1.43 million per day).

#MathIsHard

(06-01-2026 03:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  And Trump will sell this oil high, and then replenishh when the price has dropped like a rock. Something else Biden* couldnt do, because the price of oil never really went down under Biden*.

Wrong, again, dumb***.

trump isn't selling the oil from the SPR like occurred under the Biden administration. And I'll remind you once again that those sales under Biden were mandated by congress mostly under bills signed when trump was in office.

Anyway, the trump plan is a loan and return structure. Companies borrow oil and return it later with additional barrels. They're not selling it on the market.

(06-02-2026 07:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2026 03:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  And Trump will sell this oil high, and then replenishh when the price has dropped like a rock. Something else Biden* couldnt do, because the price of oil never really went down under Biden*.

Wrong, again, dumb***.

trump isn't selling the oil from the SPR like occurred under the Biden administration. And I'll remind you once again that those sales under Biden were mandated by congress mostly under bills signed when trump was in office.

Anyway, the trump plan is a loan and return structure. Companies borrow oil and return it later with additional barrels. They're not selling it on the market.

Tom, EVERYTHING you have been saying forever and above is just made up and not true. Congress during the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION approved a release of ONLY 26 million bbls of oil to sell during the Biden Administration and his DOE try to fight it. This was AFTER the release of 180 million bbls that was released to help lower prices. Again, when are you going to realize your "information" is bogus?
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/...023-02-13/
"The U.S. Department of Energy had considered cancelling the fiscal year 2023 sale of the 26 million barrels after the Biden administration last year sold a record 180 million barrels from the reserve. But such a cancellation would have required Congress to act.

Monday's announced sale will likely temporarily push the reserve below its current level of about 372 million barrels, its lowest level since 1983.
The DOE said bids on the oil are due on Feb. 28 and that the oil would be delivered from April 1 to June 30.
The administration sold the 180 million barrels of oil to combat fuel prices that had risen on Russia's war on Ukraine and as global consumers emerged from the COVID-19 pandemic."
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-enviro...l-reserve/


"On Monday, the Energy Department advised that it would sell 26 million barrels from the oil reserve this year — a sale that was required by a 2015 budget law. "

Oh. Also, gas is below $3.30 a gallon in God's Country. Yes, winning is good. And this is also, the so called "Summer Blend". It got near 100 yesterday here.
https://www.gasbuddy.com/home?search=395...l&maxAge=0

(06-02-2026 08:22 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Oh. Also, gas is below $3.30 a gallon in God's Country. Yes, winning is good. And this is also, the so called "Summer Blend". It got near 100 yesterday here.
https://www.gasbuddy.com/home?search=395...l&maxAge=0

I don't know where you're at but in El Paso it's only getting to 90 degrees or less without the humidity. I'm liking this Commiefornia type weather, I hope it stays the whole summer.

(06-02-2026 10:20 AM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(06-02-2026 08:22 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Oh. Also, gas is below $3.30 a gallon in God's Country. Yes, winning is good. And this is also, the so called "Summer Blend". It got near 100 yesterday here.
https://www.gasbuddy.com/home?search=395...l&maxAge=0

I don't know where you're at but in El Paso it's only getting to 90 degrees or less without the humidity. I'm liking this Commiefornia type weather, I hope it stays the whole summer.

MS Gulf Coast. My thermometer read 95 yesterday, and humid. It's summer time. Started late this year.

(06-02-2026 08:18 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-02-2026 07:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2026 03:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  And Trump will sell this oil high, and then replenishh when the price has dropped like a rock. Something else Biden* couldnt do, because the price of oil never really went down under Biden*.

Wrong, again, dumb***.

trump isn't selling the oil from the SPR like occurred under the Biden administration. And I'll remind you once again that those sales under Biden were mandated by congress mostly under bills signed when trump was in office.

Anyway, the trump plan is a loan and return structure. Companies borrow oil and return it later with additional barrels. They're not selling it on the market.

Tom, EVERYTHING you have been saying forever and above is just made up and not true. Congress during the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION approved a release of ONLY 26 million bbls of oil to sell during the Biden Administration and his DOE try to fight it. This was AFTER the release of 180 million bbls that was released to help lower prices. Again, when are you going to realize your "information" is bogus?
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/...023-02-13/
"The U.S. Department of Energy had considered cancelling the fiscal year 2023 sale of the 26 million barrels after the Biden administration last year sold a record 180 million barrels from the reserve. But such a cancellation would have required Congress to act.

Monday's announced sale will likely temporarily push the reserve below its current level of about 372 million barrels, its lowest level since 1983.
The DOE said bids on the oil are due on Feb. 28 and that the oil would be delivered from April 1 to June 30.
The administration sold the 180 million barrels of oil to combat fuel prices that had risen on Russia's war on Ukraine and as global consumers emerged from the COVID-19 pandemic."
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-enviro...l-reserve/


"On Monday, the Energy Department advised that it would sell 26 million barrels from the oil reserve this year — a sale that was required by a 2015 budget law. "

Quote:Depleting the Reserve: Mandated Sales and Emergency Drawdowns
Over the last decade, Congress has increasingly used the SPR not as a strategic asset, but as a type of budget gimmick to “pay for” higher spending. The revenues from these sales are recorded in the federal budget as “offsetting receipts,” essentially treated as negative spending to make new outlays appear deficit-neutral. Since 2015, more than 350 million barrels have been authorized for sale by Congress from FY2017 to FY2031. These include:

- 58 million barrels under the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015

- 66 million barrels under the Fixing America’s Surface Transportation Act (FAST) Act (2016)

- 35 million barrels under the 21st Century Cures Act (2016)

- 7 million barrels under the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (2017)

- 100 million barrels under the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2018

- 15 million barrels under the America’s Water Infrastructure Act (2018)

Rather than reflecting strategic energy goals, Congress implemented these drawdowns in the above laws for the purposes of achieving budgetary offsets for new spending.

Politics Drained the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, Reforms Can Refill It Without Soaking Taxpayers

The first three, totaling 159 million barrels were signed while Obama was president, but they were bills passed with with bipartisan support. The last three totaling 125 million barrels were signed under trump.

So, I was wrong in stating that the majority were signed by trump when only half of them were. And yes, more barrels were authorized to be sold under laws signed by Obama.

But my point was that the sales of the SPR under Biden were mandated by Congress. He tried to take credit for the sales claiming he was lowering gas prices by selling the SPR when he was just following prior laws...and I called him out on that back then.

It’s been muggy here the last few days. My neighbor moved here from Buffalo. He doesn’t do well with the heat, but t-storms terrify him. Every time we get a storm he starts texting me asking if I think we will have a tornado. Super nice guy but a Yankee so he is kinda odd. We had a snapping turtle in the yard between our houses a week or so ago. He called me and I wasn’t home. Told him to grab it and take to the woods out behind the house. When I got home about 45 mins later, he was standing there having a stare down with the turtle. I told him if we were coon asses in Louisana, we could the thing and eat it. His eyes got real big and he said “are you serious?? People eat these things?”. I picked it up and carried it out to the woods and let it go. Haven’t seen it since

(06-02-2026 10:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-02-2026 08:18 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-02-2026 07:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2026 03:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  And Trump will sell this oil high, and then replenishh when the price has dropped like a rock. Something else Biden* couldnt do, because the price of oil never really went down under Biden*.

Wrong, again, dumb***.

trump isn't selling the oil from the SPR like occurred under the Biden administration. And I'll remind you once again that those sales under Biden were mandated by congress mostly under bills signed when trump was in office.

Anyway, the trump plan is a loan and return structure. Companies borrow oil and return it later with additional barrels. They're not selling it on the market.

Tom, EVERYTHING you have been saying forever and above is just made up and not true. Congress during the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION approved a release of ONLY 26 million bbls of oil to sell during the Biden Administration and his DOE try to fight it. This was AFTER the release of 180 million bbls that was released to help lower prices. Again, when are you going to realize your "information" is bogus?
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/...023-02-13/
"The U.S. Department of Energy had considered cancelling the fiscal year 2023 sale of the 26 million barrels after the Biden administration last year sold a record 180 million barrels from the reserve. But such a cancellation would have required Congress to act.

Monday's announced sale will likely temporarily push the reserve below its current level of about 372 million barrels, its lowest level since 1983.
The DOE said bids on the oil are due on Feb. 28 and that the oil would be delivered from April 1 to June 30.
The administration sold the 180 million barrels of oil to combat fuel prices that had risen on Russia's war on Ukraine and as global consumers emerged from the COVID-19 pandemic."
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-enviro...l-reserve/


"On Monday, the Energy Department advised that it would sell 26 million barrels from the oil reserve this year — a sale that was required by a 2015 budget law. "

Quote:Depleting the Reserve: Mandated Sales and Emergency Drawdowns
Over the last decade, Congress has increasingly used the SPR not as a strategic asset, but as a type of budget gimmick to “pay for” higher spending. The revenues from these sales are recorded in the federal budget as “offsetting receipts,” essentially treated as negative spending to make new outlays appear deficit-neutral. Since 2015, more than 350 million barrels have been authorized for sale by Congress from FY2017 to FY2031. These include:

- 58 million barrels under the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015

- 66 million barrels under the Fixing America’s Surface Transportation Act (FAST) Act (2016)

- 35 million barrels under the 21st Century Cures Act (2016)

- 7 million barrels under the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (2017)

- 100 million barrels under the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2018

- 15 million barrels under the America’s Water Infrastructure Act (2018)

Rather than reflecting strategic energy goals, Congress implemented these drawdowns in the above laws for the purposes of achieving budgetary offsets for new spending.

Politics Drained the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, Reforms Can Refill It Without Soaking Taxpayers

The first three, totaling 159 million barrels were signed while Obama was president, but they were bills passed with with bipartisan support. The last three totaling 125 million barrels were signed under trump.

So, I was wrong in stating that the majority were signed by trump when only half of them were. And yes, more barrels were authorized to be sold under laws signed by Obama.

But my point was that the sales of the SPR under Biden were mandated by Congress. He tried to take credit for the sales claiming he was lowering gas prices by selling the SPR when he was just following prior laws...and I called him out on that back then.

Your source for releasing from the SPR is misleading at best. I looked at a few of those "laws" that required releases. I could only find one (Bipartisan Act of 2018) that applied to 2022 signed by Trump. It required 30,000,000 bbls to be released over the course of fiscal years 2022-2025. The other 70million are to be released in years 2026 and 2027, which Trump has so far. Another I reviewed quickly (Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017) required 7,000,000 bbls to be released in years 2026 & 2027. And then another bill (America's Water Infrastructure Act of 2018) required a release of 5,000,000 bbls to be released in fiscal year 2028. The only one of the laws listed on your link that applied to the Biden Administration was the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015. It required 5 million to be released in 2021, 8 million released in 2022, 10 million in 2023 and 10 million in 2024. So, actually Trump had NOTHING to do with the high prices of oil or SPR releases in 2022 because it was done to lower gas prices. And the less than 20 million that was "required by law" over the course of one year that was required to be sold in 2022 had zero effect. Real easy to check those laws. Just open the .pdf and search for 'petroleum'. Your facts are again bogus.

The Strait of Hormuz is very busy now. Also, kinda funny what the Jersey Devil has listed as its crew.
https://www.marinetraffic.org/HORMUZ-STR...ic-tracker

(06-02-2026 03:28 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  So, actually Trump had NOTHING to do with the high prices of oil or SPR releases in 2022 because it was done to lower gas prices...

Well, he had a **** TON to do with the high price at the pump in 2022 due to his deal with OPEC from 2020 that cut production for 2 years...bigly...into 2022. That huge reduction in production, coming on the heels of coming out of Covid was the biggest driver of the record high gas prices we saw under Biden.

(06-03-2026 06:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-02-2026 03:28 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  So, actually Trump had NOTHING to do with the high prices of oil or SPR releases in 2022 because it was done to lower gas prices...

Well, he had a **** TON to do with the high price at the pump in 2022 due to his deal with OPEC from 2020 that cut production for 2 years...bigly...into 2022. That huge reduction in production, coming on the heels of coming out of Covid was the biggest driver of the record high gas prices we saw under Biden.

lulz, so that deal, where the vast majority of the cuts occurred while Trump was president but did not cause oil prices to rise until after Biden* got in was Trumps fault? Also, explain why oil rose even more greatly under Biden* when the deal was over? Explain why they remained high until Trump came into office and they magically dropped.

(06-03-2026 06:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-02-2026 03:28 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  So, actually Trump had NOTHING to do with the high prices of oil or SPR releases in 2022 because it was done to lower gas prices...

Well, he had a **** TON to do with the high price at the pump in 2022 due to his deal with OPEC from 2020 that cut production for 2 years...bigly...into 2022. That huge reduction in production, coming on the heels of coming out of Covid was the biggest driver of the record high gas prices we saw under Biden.

just for ewe, it's pride month and June ... prices have not receded to pre Fury days ... see, I can admit when I'm wrong by overestimating #groverII's ability to pull that final trigger...

once the blockade became the key strategy to 'negotiate' (which works), the timeline became altered until he finally pulls that last trigger (which was my first method to end it after the initial swarm; and will ultimately be forced into)...

regardless, time is still on our side as gas in the 'burg is stable at 3.59/3.79...

also as stated from day one, it's an additional cost I'm willing to absorb vs. taking down the terrorist leadershite of Iran...

(06-03-2026 06:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-02-2026 03:28 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  So, actually Trump had NOTHING to do with the high prices of oil or SPR releases in 2022 because it was done to lower gas prices...

Well, he had a **** TON to do with the high price at the pump in 2022 due to his deal with OPEC from 2020 that cut production for 2 years...bigly...into 2022. That huge reduction in production, coming on the heels of coming out of Covid was the biggest driver of the record high gas prices we saw under Biden.

Tom. The OPEC cuts in April 2022 were 6 million bbl/day. Over 20 million bbl/day have been held up for 3 months now but oil is trading at 60% of what it was in June 2022. You have no response for that. Just admit Biden announcing "50% of cars in America will be electric by 2030" was the reason. Your boogie man theory is bogus. I just proved EVERYTHING you were fed about Biden's SPR release was bogus also. That was done to lower gas prices.

(06-03-2026 07:13 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-03-2026 06:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-02-2026 03:28 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  So, actually Trump had NOTHING to do with the high prices of oil or SPR releases in 2022 because it was done to lower gas prices...

Well, he had a **** TON to do with the high price at the pump in 2022 due to his deal with OPEC from 2020 that cut production for 2 years...bigly...into 2022. That huge reduction in production, coming on the heels of coming out of Covid was the biggest driver of the record high gas prices we saw under Biden.

lulz, so that deal, where the vast majority of the cuts occurred while Trump was president but did not cause oil prices to rise until after Biden* got in was Trumps fault? Also, explain why oil rose even more greatly under Biden* when the deal was over? Explain why they remained high until Trump came into office and they magically dropped.

As usual, your facts are ****** up. You should really look up things before you just pull them out of your ass.

There's delays of time between production issues/cuts and when they effect gas prices at the pump. Yes, that can take a lot of time to appear.

Additionally, when the cuts began, we were in Covid. So demand plummeted which holds gas price increases that would have resulted due to the production cuts, down.

So when we fully emerged from Covid and demand returned, then the prices soared. That was after trump left office.

Also, that deal didn't happen in a vacuum. Russia invaded Ukraine in February of 2022 while the OPEC deal was still in place...so that further caused prices to rise while Biden was president.

Lastly, gas prices were back down to normal levels when Biden left office. They didn't magically drop when trump got back in. Per AAA, gas was $3.10 when Biden left office. A year later in January of 2026, it had only fallen to $2.93.

On January 20, 2025, West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude oil traded at $77.36 per barrel. When gas was its highest on June 14, 2022, U.S. West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude oil settled at $118.93. So it fell quite a bit before trump started his second term, not magically on January 21, 2025.

(06-03-2026 07:33 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Just admit Biden announcing "50% of cars in America will be electric by 2030" was the reason.

So ******* ignorant. Not how any of this works. The O&G industry doesn't react to political campaign propaganda like that, they react to actual legislation, etc.

(06-03-2026 07:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-03-2026 07:33 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Just admit Biden announcing "50% of cars in America will be electric by 2030" was the reason.

So ******* ignorant. Not how any of this works. The O&G industry doesn't react to political campaign propaganda like that, they react to actual legislation, etc.

So, back to name calling. You have no idea what you are talking about regarding the O&G industry. That is your opinion. When the POTUS tells you his goal is to put you out of business you are going to do everything to make as much money as you can while you can. What "actual legislation" is causing the instability in the O&G business now? You aren't very good at this Tom. Your opinions don't make things true. The Strait of Hormuz is blocked up and oil prices are not even close to where they were during the Biden Administration after his policy, which is not propaganda, was announced he would "phase it out". Luckily Harris didn't win or you would have to be supporting why $6.00/gal gas was a good thing for the country. And speaking of January 2025
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/06/business/...-ban-trump
and I know you have access to this one.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/06/clima...g-ban.html
https://fee.org/articles/did-joe-biden-r...-industry/
That is the reason oil prices went up during the Biden Administration.
"The exchange was lively, but what was even more interesting is what happened next. Perhaps sensing an advantage, Trump challenged Biden with a simple question.

“Would you close down the oil industry?” the president asked.

Biden, normally a disciplined speaker, took the bait.

“I would transition from the oil industry, yes,” Biden said.

This response even seemed to perplex the debate moderator, who asked Biden, “Why would you do that?”

“The oil industry pollutes significantly,” he continued. “It has to be replaced by renewable energy over time.”

Biden’s candor was a bit remarkable. Politicians are renowned for hedging and offering vague responses to straightforward questions. As the Associated Press reports, even the president himself seemed “surprised and pleased by Biden’s comment.”

The Biden Campaign tried to backtrack after the debate, telling reporters he was only talking about oil subsidies. But even in his clarifying comments, Biden indicated he still plans to get “rid of fossil fuels.”

“We’re getting rid of the subsidies for fossil fuels, but we’re not getting rid of fossil fuels for a long time,” Biden said, according to The Guardian.

A closer look at Biden’s record shows an extensive history of publicly promising “to get rid of fossil fuels” through legislation. This would be dangerous."
Just stop it with this Trump's OPEC deal and CoVid being the reason. Those issues don't even have a fractional effect on oil as the current situation does, but yet oil is trading in the 90s. Just move on to some other talking point.