(05-20-2026 01:19 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 12:27 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 11:33 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 08:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 08:33 AM)b2b Wrote:  Thanks Blumpf. t appears we didn't have an exit strategy planned or didn't anticipate they'd close the strait. Good intention, bad execution.

Also, we just had the largest one day draw from our SPR in history a few days ago.

The guy who railed at us for years that Biden drawing from the SPR was no big deal, now is upset that Trump draws from the SPR?!?

Thank you for being such a two-faced moron and providing us with so many laughs!

lulz yep

Using the SPR for what it was built for is bad.

But using so much of it that it damages that the reduced storage levels damages the tanks is ok when its done to try to save the dems butts in the elections.

Aside from just the typical Biden did it so it has to be bad what would you say Biden should have done differently? Or just frame it differently since what you'd want Biden to do is whatever would have ensured Dems lose worse in the midterms if there was a GOP president at the time of Russia's attack what would you have wanted them to do differently than what Biden did?

I'm not arguing what Biden did versus what Trump did. I'm simply making fun of TomCat for being a lying hypocrite.

Biden was simply a stool pigeon for the people who actually made the decisions from 2020-2024.

(05-20-2026 01:19 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 12:27 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  lulz yep

Using the SPR for what it was built for is bad.

But using so much of it that it damages that the reduced storage levels damages the tanks is ok when its done to try to save the dems butts in the elections.

Aside from just the typical Biden did it so it has to be bad what would you say Biden should have done differently? Or just frame it differently since what you'd want Biden to do is whatever would have ensured Dems lose worse in the midterms if there was a GOP president at the time of Russia's attack what would you have wanted them to do differently than what Biden did?

Please don't ignore the fact that Umabla is making **** up and not giving much context here.

1. First, I was opposed to Biden's release of the SPR. Been documented here many times.

2. Biden started the releases about a half year before the mid-terms. It wasn't made anywhere near the election.

3. The SPR is NOT for our use in a war. It's for times of supply disruptions. The Russian invasion just as trump's excursion into Iran both disrupted supply, so any releases are what it's there for, and therefore proper. And as said, I oppose them both.

4. The storage facilities were only designed to last for around 25 years and were built in the 70's. We surpassed that long ago. They needed maintenance regardless of the level. There is no evidence that the releases during the Biden administration were the cause of any additional needed maintenance.

5. The releases during the Biden administration were NEARLY ALL authorized by prior acts of Congress. Many of which were during the first trump administration. As I told Umabla, Biden used those as cover to make it sound like he was authorizing the releases to bring down gas prices for consumers.

Umabla is a dishonest troll. This is just more evidence.

And I'll leave this:

(05-20-2026 01:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Biden* did what Carter did and Obama did. They put regulations on the oil industry and it caused the price to spike, as they intended for it to. Once they realized that high gas prices were going to affect them at the poll, they released the SPR at massive rates.

This is not a both sides do it. The SPR was created for a reason. Trump's release falls under the reason the SPR was created. Trying to save your ass in an election isnt the reason the SPR exists. But every democratic president since Clinton has done it for that very reason.

You're ignorant, and a liar.

I've asked probably a dozen times. Please cite one regulation from Biden that caused the price of oil to spike.

AGAIN, the SPR releases under Biden were nearly all authorized by Congress under trump.

And unlike you, I show my work. You're just a dishonest troll. Sad.

Quote:Depleting the Reserve: Mandated Sales and Emergency Drawdowns
Over the last decade, Congress has increasingly used the SPR not as a strategic asset, but as a type of budget gimmick to “pay for” higher spending. The revenues from these sales are recorded in the federal budget as “offsetting receipts,” essentially treated as negative spending to make new outlays appear deficit-neutral. Since 2015, more than 350 million barrels have been authorized for sale by Congress from FY2017 to FY2031. These include:

- 58 million barrels under the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015

- 66 million barrels under the Fixing America’s Surface Transportation Act (FAST) Act (2016)

- 35 million barrels under the 21st Century Cures Act (2016)

- 7 million barrels under the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (2017)

- 100 million barrels under the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2018

- 15 million barrels under the America’s Water Infrastructure Act (2018)

Rather than reflecting strategic energy goals, Congress implemented these drawdowns in the above laws for the purposes of achieving budgetary offsets for new spending.

Politics Drained the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, Reforms Can Refill It Without Soaking Taxpayers

(05-20-2026 01:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 01:19 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 12:27 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 11:33 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 08:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Also, we just had the largest one day draw from our SPR in history a few days ago.

The guy who railed at us for years that Biden drawing from the SPR was no big deal, now is upset that Trump draws from the SPR?!?

Thank you for being such a two-faced moron and providing us with so many laughs!

lulz yep

Using the SPR for what it was built for is bad.

But using so much of it that it damages that the reduced storage levels damages the tanks is ok when its done to try to save the dems butts in the elections.

Aside from just the typical Biden did it so it has to be bad what would you say Biden should have done differently? Or just frame it differently since what you'd want Biden to do is whatever would have ensured Dems lose worse in the midterms if there was a GOP president at the time of Russia's attack what would you have wanted them to do differently than what Biden did?

Biden* did what Carter did and Obama did. They put regulations on the oil industry and it caused the price to spike, as they intended for it to. Once they realized that high gas prices were going to affect them at the poll, they released the SPR at massive rates.

This is not a both sides do it. The SPR was created for a reason. Trump's release falls under the reason the SPR was created. Trying to save your ass in an election isnt the reason the SPR exists. But every democratic president since Clinton has done it for that very reason.

I am fairly certain it's an election year right now. I'm also fairly certain, and yes google tells me this, the Ukraine War started almost the exact same time frame of that election year (February 24th 2022) as the Iran War did for this election year (February 28th 2026). The massive releases by Biden started in March of 2022, after the war started. The idea that Biden's releases were purely midterm related but this Trump release has nothing to do with trying to save his ass in an election year is a really bad joke.

Saw Trump say yesterday that the gas increase was “peanuts”.

When gas increased under Biden, was it also “peanuts”?

(05-20-2026 02:09 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  Saw Trump say yesterday that the gas increase was “peanuts”.

When gas increased under Biden, was it also “peanuts”?

Relatively speaking, yes.

(05-20-2026 02:09 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  Saw Trump say yesterday that the gas increase was “peanuts”.

When gas increased under Biden, was it also “peanuts”?

Trump thought gas prices would go higher than it did during the peak of the Biden presidency due to the war in Iran. Instead, it stayed way lower even though there is a considerably lower amount of oil hitting the market now than when fuel prices peaked during the Biden Presidency. Thus, the reason for taking Maduro out before Iran.

(05-20-2026 02:15 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 02:09 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  Saw Trump say yesterday that the gas increase was “peanuts”.

When gas increased under Biden, was it also “peanuts”?

Trump thought gas prices would go higher than it did during the peak of the Biden presidency due to the war in Iran. Instead, it stayed way lower even though there is a considerably lower amount of oil hitting the market now than when fuel prices peaked during the Biden Presidency. Thus, the reason for taking Maduro out before Iran.

Way lower? Current national average is 4.55 for regular unleaded and for diesel it's 5.65. Peak that was hit under Biden was 5.01 average on 6/14/22 and peak for diesel was 5.81 on 6/19/22. For comparison sake the Ukraine War started on 2/24/22 and the Iran War started on 2/28/26. If the strait is still closed a month from now there's a very good chance we are at those record totals, and we aren't very far from them right now.

https://gasprices.aaa.com/

(05-20-2026 02:09 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  Saw Trump say yesterday that the gas increase was “peanuts”.

When gas increased under Biden, was it also “peanuts”?

Filling up right now is unpleasant. But its also temporary----where as a nuclear armed Iran would be a permanent threat to the US and every future generation of Americans that comes after us. This is a generational decision. Are critics actually suggesting that a few months of higher gas prices is simply too high a cost for the securing a safer future for generations of Americans? Have Democrats really become that narcissistic?

(05-20-2026 02:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 02:09 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  Saw Trump say yesterday that the gas increase was “peanuts”.

When gas increased under Biden, was it also “peanuts”?

Filling up right now is unpleasant. But its also temporary----where as a nuclear armed Iran would be a permanent threat to the US and every future generation of Americans that comes after us. This is a generational decision. Are critics actually suggesting that a few months of higher gas prices is simply too high a cost for the securing a safer future for generations of Americans? Have Democrats really become that narcissistic?

Everyone knows that if Biden or especially Obama would have done what Trump did in Iran, they would be putting statues up of them and telling everyone it isn't that bad. Hell, Harris was telling us this 3-4 years ago when gas was so high. And they damn well weren't trying to tell us fuel prices were high because of Trump. And today oil is down $5.50 just by Trump talking about the situation.

(05-20-2026 03:09 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 02:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 02:09 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  Saw Trump say yesterday that the gas increase was “peanuts”.

When gas increased under Biden, was it also “peanuts”?

Filling up right now is unpleasant. But its also temporary----where as a nuclear armed Iran would be a permanent threat to the US and every future generation of Americans that comes after us. This is a generational decision. Are critics actually suggesting that a few months of higher gas prices is simply too high a cost for the securing a safer future for generations of Americans? Have Democrats really become that narcissistic?

Everyone knows that if Biden or especially Obama would have done what Trump did in Iran, they would be putting statues up of them and telling everyone it isn't that bad. Hell, Harris was telling us this 3-4 years ago when gas was so high. And they damn well weren't trying to tell us fuel prices were high because of Trump. And today oil is down $5.50 just by Trump talking about the situation.

LOL this is cute. Also, who started the war that caused gas prices to go so high back then? Oh yeah, not Biden. And when this ends and the results are something that looks like the JCPOA but giving Iran more sanctions relief and unfreezing all their assets I'm going to laugh my arse off at the spin that's going to come trying to make it sound like a good deal. Cool that oil prices dropped a little because Trump lied about a deal being close again, there's no deal coming he's going to say Iran blew it up again in a few days. Then next week he'll do the same stuff again, rinse and repeat as long as he can get the markets to buy the crap he's selling.

(05-20-2026 02:09 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  Saw Trump say yesterday that the gas increase was “peanuts”.

When gas increased under Biden, was it also “peanuts”?

No, because it lasted for his entire 4 year term and it was Biden*s f*cking stupidty that did it.

(05-20-2026 03:16 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 02:09 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  Saw Trump say yesterday that the gas increase was “peanuts”.

When gas increased under Biden, was it also “peanuts”?

No, because it lasted for his entire 4 year term and it was Biden*s f*cking stupidty that did it.

Ah, so it was all Biden’s fault, got it.

Curious, when the stock market was at an all-time high under Biden, was that his fault too?

(05-20-2026 03:25 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 03:16 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 02:09 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  Saw Trump say yesterday that the gas increase was “peanuts”.

When gas increased under Biden, was it also “peanuts”?

No, because it lasted for his entire 4 year term and it was Biden*s f*cking stupidty that did it.

Ah, so it was all Biden’s fault, got it.

Curious, when the stock market was at an all-time high under Biden, was that his fault too?

We've been thru this before, but let me hand hold you on this:

Under Biden*, the stock market tanked about 20 percent or more and the depressed markets lasted for about 2.5 years. When it was clear that Trump would be the republican nominee, and again when it was clear he was going to mop the floor with whatever bumbling numbnut the dems ran against him is when the markets reached their highs. If you know the markets are going to boom under Trump policies, you dont wait until he's elected. You jump in ahead of it.

I don't care what the national average is or was. I've never paid more here in Texas than I have in the past few months.

I also don't think Iran would be dumb enough to launch a nuke if they had it. About as dangerous as the Iraqi WMDs from the 00s

(05-20-2026 03:48 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 03:25 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 03:16 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 02:09 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  Saw Trump say yesterday that the gas increase was “peanuts”.

When gas increased under Biden, was it also “peanuts”?

No, because it lasted for his entire 4 year term and it was Biden*s f*cking stupidty that did it.

Ah, so it was all Biden’s fault, got it.

Curious, when the stock market was at an all-time high under Biden, was that his fault too?

We've been thru this before, but let me hand hold you on this:

Under Biden*, the stock market tanked about 20 percent or more and the depressed markets lasted for about 2.5 years. When it was clear that Trump would be the republican nominee, and again when it was clear he was going to mop the floor with whatever bumbling numbnut the dems ran against him is when the markets reached their highs. If you know the markets are going to boom under Trump policies, you dont wait until he's elected. You jump in ahead of it.

Lmao, the DJI reached an ATH in March and September of 2021, well before any thing with the 2024 election was finalized. And then it went down with the Ukraine war. Edit: which yes, can be put on Biden a bit, since his “threat” to Russia was, “you better not do that” while holding up a frail finger.

(05-20-2026 04:08 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 03:48 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 03:25 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 03:16 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 02:09 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  Saw Trump say yesterday that the gas increase was “peanuts”.

When gas increased under Biden, was it also “peanuts”?

No, because it lasted for his entire 4 year term and it was Biden*s f*cking stupidty that did it.

Ah, so it was all Biden’s fault, got it.

Curious, when the stock market was at an all-time high under Biden, was that his fault too?

We've been thru this before, but let me hand hold you on this:

Under Biden*, the stock market tanked about 20 percent or more and the depressed markets lasted for about 2.5 years. When it was clear that Trump would be the republican nominee, and again when it was clear he was going to mop the floor with whatever bumbling numbnut the dems ran against him is when the markets reached their highs. If you know the markets are going to boom under Trump policies, you dont wait until he's elected. You jump in ahead of it.

Lmao, the DJI reached an ATH in March and September of 2021, well before any thing with the 2024 election was finalized. And then it went down with the Ukraine war. Edit: which yes, can be put on Biden a bit, since his “threat” to Russia was, “you better not do that” while holding up a frail finger.

It went up the first number of months under Biden* because his policies hadnt kicked in yet. So Biden* was living under Trump's booming economy that he had left him.

The markets started going down 2 months prior to the Ukraine war. So that wasnt it. It had everything to do with policies, rising energy prices, and disastrous inflation under Biden*.

(05-20-2026 04:08 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 03:48 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 03:25 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 03:16 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-20-2026 02:09 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  Saw Trump say yesterday that the gas increase was “peanuts”.

When gas increased under Biden, was it also “peanuts”?

No, because it lasted for his entire 4 year term and it was Biden*s f*cking stupidty that did it.

Ah, so it was all Biden’s fault, got it.

Curious, when the stock market was at an all-time high under Biden, was that his fault too?

We've been thru this before, but let me hand hold you on this:

Under Biden*, the stock market tanked about 20 percent or more and the depressed markets lasted for about 2.5 years. When it was clear that Trump would be the republican nominee, and again when it was clear he was going to mop the floor with whatever bumbling numbnut the dems ran against him is when the markets reached their highs. If you know the markets are going to boom under Trump policies, you dont wait until he's elected. You jump in ahead of it.

Lmao, the DJI reached an ATH in March and September of 2021, well before any thing with the 2024 election was finalized. And then it went down with the Ukraine war. Edit: which yes, can be put on Biden a bit, since his “threat” to Russia was, “you better not do that” while holding up a frail finger.

Hate to break it to you, but the Russia/Ukraine war is still ongoing. That war had absolutely nothing to do with the Stock Market in America.

(05-20-2026 04:06 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  I don't care what the national average is or was. I've never paid more here in Texas than I have in the past few months.

I also don't think Iran would be dumb enough to launch a nuke if they had it. About as dangerous as the Iraqi WMDs from the 00s

You must have been in a coma during June 2022 regarding gas prices in Texas. Also, your best thoughts have gotten you where you are today regarding Iran. Why do you think terrorist get weapons? Also, the Kurds would like a word with you regarding WMDs in Iraq.

(05-20-2026 04:06 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  I don't care what the national average is or was. I've never paid more here in Texas than I have in the past few months.

I also don't think Iran would be dumb enough to launch a nuke if they had it. About as dangerous as the Iraqi WMDs from the 00s

Gas was higher under Biden and his 9% inflation than it is now with Trump in Iran. I remember that very clearly.