(02-10-2026 11:05 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-10-2026 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-09-2026 04:42 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-09-2026 04:07 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-09-2026 03:20 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  As the resident Puerto Rican on the board (who still has family that live on the island), there are three camps:

A) Puerto Ricans who want independence
B) Puerto Ricans who want statehood
C) Puerto Ricans who want to keep things like it is

There have been numerous polls on this and B and C are by far the most popular options. The folks who want independence are sven seen as crazy by the left leaning people in PR, who understand they could not survive on their own.

Well you are closest to it. In all seriousness how does it get fixed. Throwing money at PR has not made it a better place.

Our country is bleeding to death.

I don’t think it’s a good idea to let them go independent. Then we are dealing with potentially socialist and eventually communist country in our hemisphere which could be detrimental to national security.

I would prefer statehood to the current arrangement, but only if we could offset it with an addition of Alberta or some other more conservative people.

That's an interesting statement. You think statehood is the best solution for the PR people, but only if it gets balanced out politically so that you can keep some GOP control of the country in place? Wow, talk about team over country...and even family.

How about statehood and you win them over to your side with policy and support instead?

The opposite actually, I don’t think PR could survive as an independent nation. The island has been invaded so many times- Spain, France, England, The Dutch- heck even the Kalingo tribe came up from South America to pillage on numerous occasions in the pre-colonial days. I would hate to see some more oppressive nation come in and set up shop so close to mainland US.

Right...so you prefer US statehood, yes?

(02-10-2026 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-09-2026 04:42 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-09-2026 04:07 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-09-2026 03:20 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  As the resident Puerto Rican on the board (who still has family that live on the island), there are three camps:

A) Puerto Ricans who want independence
B) Puerto Ricans who want statehood
C) Puerto Ricans who want to keep things like it is

There have been numerous polls on this and B and C are by far the most popular options. The folks who want independence are sven seen as crazy by the left leaning people in PR, who understand they could not survive on their own.

Well you are closest to it. In all seriousness how does it get fixed. Throwing money at PR has not made it a better place.

Our country is bleeding to death.

I don’t think it’s a good idea to let them go independent. Then we are dealing with potentially socialist and eventually communist country in our hemisphere which could be detrimental to national security.

I would prefer statehood to the current arrangement, but only if we could offset it with an addition of Alberta or some other more conservative people.

That's an interesting statement. You think statehood is the best solution for the PR people, but only if it gets balanced out politically so that you can keep some GOP control of the country in place? Wow, talk about team over country...and even family.

How about statehood and you win them over to your side with policy and support instead?

How about we just treat everyone the same and not buy votes with other people's money.

(02-10-2026 12:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  How about we just treat everyone the same and not buy votes with other people's money.

(02-10-2026 12:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  How about we just treat everyone the same and not buy votes with other people's money.

That would take actual work and actual getting things done. We are talking about the government here.

On the Puerto Rico theme (and I'm clueless about this), isn't Puerto Rico heavily into manufacturing? I've seen some stats (could be wrong) that suggest more than 40 percent of country's economy is driven by making things. And since the U.S. has become so "service economy focused" (with avowed softy Bill Dazzle a member of the service economy), I would think having Puerto Rico being a "maker state" is a good thing. But again, I could easily be wrong.

I just though somebody on the board would know.

(02-10-2026 01:11 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  On the Puerto Rico theme (and I'm clueless about this), isn't Puerto Rico heavily into manufacturing? I've seen some stats (could be wrong) that suggest more than 40 percent of country's economy is driven by making things. And since the U.S. has become so "service economy focused" (with avowed softy Bill Dazzle a member of the service economy), I would think having Puerto Rico being a "maker state" is a good thing. But again, I could easily be wrong.

I just though somebody on the board would know.

Witha population that has an average iq of 82 i dont see it being a hub of manufacturing and innovation. Not heavy manufacturing anyway. Maybe japan or korea could colonize them like they have the rural south...but the profits wont remain in PR...like the south.

PR has certainly not done one single thing in its history to warrant statehood

Marco Rubio is on board with statehood. In the past few years he co-sponsored a bill to give medical device manufacturers incentives to leave foreign countries and relocate to PR once they achieve statehood.

(02-10-2026 12:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-10-2026 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-09-2026 04:42 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-09-2026 04:07 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-09-2026 03:20 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  As the resident Puerto Rican on the board (who still has family that live on the island), there are three camps:

A) Puerto Ricans who want independence
B) Puerto Ricans who want statehood
C) Puerto Ricans who want to keep things like it is

There have been numerous polls on this and B and C are by far the most popular options. The folks who want independence are sven seen as crazy by the left leaning people in PR, who understand they could not survive on their own.

Well you are closest to it. In all seriousness how does it get fixed. Throwing money at PR has not made it a better place.

Our country is bleeding to death.

I don’t think it’s a good idea to let them go independent. Then we are dealing with potentially socialist and eventually communist country in our hemisphere which could be detrimental to national security.

I would prefer statehood to the current arrangement, but only if we could offset it with an addition of Alberta or some other more conservative people.

That's an interesting statement. You think statehood is the best solution for the PR people, but only if it gets balanced out politically so that you can keep some GOP control of the country in place? Wow, talk about team over country...and even family.

How about statehood and you win them over to your side with policy and support instead?

How about we just treat everyone the same and not buy votes with other people's money.

Been in favor of no main political parties and no campaign donations for awhile now.

(02-10-2026 01:15 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-10-2026 01:11 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  On the Puerto Rico theme (and I'm clueless about this), isn't Puerto Rico heavily into manufacturing? I've seen some stats (could be wrong) that suggest more than 40 percent of country's economy is driven by making things. And since the U.S. has become so "service economy focused" (with avowed softy Bill Dazzle a member of the service economy), I would think having Puerto Rico being a "maker state" is a good thing. But again, I could easily be wrong.

I just though somebody on the board would know.

Witha population that has an average iq of 82 i dont see it being a hub of manufacturing and innovation. Not heavy manufacturing anyway. Maybe japan or korea could colonize them like they have the rural south...but the profits wont remain in PR...like the south.

PR has certainly not done one single thing in its history to warrant statehood

I've noticed you've been responding to some of my posts in more measured manner than you showed in the past (when you would simply slam me). Thus my response.

To be clear, I am not advocating for PR statehood (though I might if I studied the matter thoroughly)

And I looked up the IQ stat and you seem correct.

(02-10-2026 01:11 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  On the Puerto Rico theme (and I'm clueless about this), isn't Puerto Rico heavily into manufacturing? I've seen some stats (could be wrong) that suggest more than 40 percent of country's economy is driven by making things. And since the U.S. has become so "service economy focused" (with avowed softy Bill Dazzle a member of the service economy), I would think having Puerto Rico being a "maker state" is a good thing. But again, I could easily be wrong.

I just though somebody on the board would know.

Yeah, 46% of PR GDP.

All the pharma and med device companies are down there.

(02-10-2026 03:02 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(02-10-2026 01:11 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  On the Puerto Rico theme (and I'm clueless about this), isn't Puerto Rico heavily into manufacturing? I've seen some stats (could be wrong) that suggest more than 40 percent of country's economy is driven by making things. And since the U.S. has become so "service economy focused" (with avowed softy Bill Dazzle a member of the service economy), I would think having Puerto Rico being a "maker state" is a good thing. But again, I could easily be wrong.

I just though somebody on the board would know.

Yeah, 46% of PR GDP.

All the pharma and med device companies are down there.

I saw that info earlier today. Did not know how accurate.

In a contest between cat caterwauling and Benito‘s actual voice, he comes in last. You have been warned…

Bad Bunny Super Bowl Show Fiasco Gets Worse As Revolting Lyrics to His Songs Revealed

It’s Worse Than We Thought… NFL Lost Nearly Half of Their Audience During Halftime Show!

Quote:It’s worse than we thought.

The original numbers released showed Bad Bunny with respectable viewership on for the Super Bowl halftime.
Meanwhile, TPUSA took a chunk of the viewers who tuned in to their halftime presentation. Over 25 million viewers watched the TPUSA pro-American lineup.

But Samba TV reported startling numbers this morning.

According to Samba, NEARLY HALF of the Super Bowl audience tuned out at halftime rather than watch Hispanic act Bad Bunny whose entire act was in Spanish.

This was a shocking report.

The Super Bowl lost 22.1 million viewers during the halftime entertainment.

(02-10-2026 02:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-10-2026 12:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-10-2026 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-09-2026 04:42 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-09-2026 04:07 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Well you are closest to it. In all seriousness how does it get fixed. Throwing money at PR has not made it a better place.

Our country is bleeding to death.

I don’t think it’s a good idea to let them go independent. Then we are dealing with potentially socialist and eventually communist country in our hemisphere which could be detrimental to national security.

I would prefer statehood to the current arrangement, but only if we could offset it with an addition of Alberta or some other more conservative people.

That's an interesting statement. You think statehood is the best solution for the PR people, but only if it gets balanced out politically so that you can keep some GOP control of the country in place? Wow, talk about team over country...and even family.

How about statehood and you win them over to your side with policy and support instead?

How about we just treat everyone the same and not buy votes with other people's money.

Been in favor of no main political parties and no campaign donations for awhile now.

Aha. We actually agree on something.

FCC standards concerning vulgarity (specifically rules on obscene, indecent, and profane content) apply to languages other than English. Benito and NBC are obligated to abide by rules and laws like the rest of us and it appears fragrant violations occurred.

(02-10-2026 04:20 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-10-2026 02:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-10-2026 12:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-10-2026 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-09-2026 04:42 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I don’t think it’s a good idea to let them go independent. Then we are dealing with potentially socialist and eventually communist country in our hemisphere which could be detrimental to national security.

I would prefer statehood to the current arrangement, but only if we could offset it with an addition of Alberta or some other more conservative people.

That's an interesting statement. You think statehood is the best solution for the PR people, but only if it gets balanced out politically so that you can keep some GOP control of the country in place? Wow, talk about team over country...and even family.

How about statehood and you win them over to your side with policy and support instead?

How about we just treat everyone the same and not buy votes with other people's money.

Been in favor of no main political parties and no campaign donations for awhile now.

Aha. We actually agree on something.

Indeed, the volume of the corporate donations to both parties drowns out the voices of "We the People" constantly. That is why the hostility level is rising. As long as our politicians listened to their constituents' things still managed to work. The noise of corporate money and corporate positions on issues stifles solutions because they want things their way all of the time. We are way past the time when conservatives and liberals should have realized that nobody is listening to us and joined forces to make them listen. And that is precisely why so many divisive issues exacerbate our frustration and anger. As long as we fight each other, they don't have to listen to us or make concessions, or compromise. Heck neither party really has a platform anymore because the platform was a promise to the constituents. They can't be called liars for failing to fulfill a promise they never made, nor can they be called crooks for taking legal corporate money.

That all ramped up under H.W. Bush, has been amplified in every attack ad and intentionally made a political staple to sell the "Us versus Them" war to "We the People". Remember your Lincoln, "A House Divided Against Itself Can Not Stand!" We are a Republic. Corporate America wants control of government and they are outgiving he citizens to get it. When business controls government it is Fascism, and it is no longer a Republic if the people don't control the selection of their candidates, but a party paid by the corporate interests does, nor is it a Republic if only those backed by one of two parties is running and those seeking a third party have been burdened with having to qualify in all 50 states while their Dem and Repub opponents are grandfathered into all 50 states.

We are not each other's enemy. But there is an enemy and it is winning.

(02-10-2026 04:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-10-2026 04:20 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-10-2026 02:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-10-2026 12:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-10-2026 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That's an interesting statement. You think statehood is the best solution for the PR people, but only if it gets balanced out politically so that you can keep some GOP control of the country in place? Wow, talk about team over country...and even family.

How about statehood and you win them over to your side with policy and support instead?

How about we just treat everyone the same and not buy votes with other people's money.

Been in favor of no main political parties and no campaign donations for awhile now.

Aha. We actually agree on something.

Indeed, the volume of the corporate donations to both parties drowns out the voices of "We the People" constantly. That is why the hostility level is rising. As long as our politicians listened to their constituents' things still managed to work. The noise of corporate money and corporate positions on issues stifles solutions because they want things their way all of the time. We are way past the time when conservatives and liberals should have realized that nobody is listening to us and joined forces to make them listen. And that is precisely why so many divisive issues exacerbate our frustration and anger. As long as we fight each other, they don't have to listen to us or make concessions, or compromise. Heck neither party really has a platform anymore because the platform was a promise to the constituents. They can't be called liars for failing to fulfill a promise they never made, nor can they be called crooks for taking legal corporate money.

That all ramped up under H.W. Bush, has been amplified in every attack ad and intentionally made a political staple to sell the "Us versus Them" war to "We the People". Remember your Lincoln, "A House Divided Against Itself Can Not Stand!" We are a Republic. Corporate America wants control of government and they are outgiving he citizens to get it. When business controls government it is Fascism, and it is no longer a Republic if the people don't control the selection of their candidates, but a party paid by the corporate interests does, nor is it a Republic if only those backed by one of two parties is running and those seeking a third party have been burdened with having to qualify in all 50 states while their Dem and Repub opponents are grandfathered into all 50 states.

We are not each other's enemy. But there is an enemy and it is winning.

that's a fact...

I've lobbied for congressional term limits with all monies going into a communal 'kitty' to be divvied up equally between the parties ... pay 'em like a college foosball corch ... you'll find the right minds...

there are ways to right this ship ... it's unfortunate "We The People" have been compromised by the real power of fiat influence...

there's a reason the bankers have always controlled movement since the Fed Reserve was created ... all it took was Nixon and corp's final 'nudge'....

(02-10-2026 03:51 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Bad Bunny Super Bowl Show Fiasco Gets Worse As Revolting Lyrics to His Songs Revealed

It’s Worse Than We Thought… NFL Lost Nearly Half of Their Audience During Halftime Show!

Quote:It’s worse than we thought.

The original numbers released showed Bad Bunny with respectable viewership on for the Super Bowl halftime.
Meanwhile, TPUSA took a chunk of the viewers who tuned in to their halftime presentation. Over 25 million viewers watched the TPUSA pro-American lineup.

But Samba TV reported startling numbers this morning.

According to Samba, NEARLY HALF of the Super Bowl audience tuned out at halftime rather than watch Hispanic act Bad Bunny whose entire act was in Spanish.

This was a shocking report.

The Super Bowl lost 22.1 million viewers during the halftime entertainment.

That's a fireable offense of the commissioner. Massive loss to the advertisers and to the NFL.

(02-10-2026 03:51 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Bad Bunny Super Bowl Show Fiasco Gets Worse As Revolting Lyrics to His Songs Revealed

It’s Worse Than We Thought… NFL Lost Nearly Half of Their Audience During Halftime Show!

Quote:It’s worse than we thought.

The original numbers released showed Bad Bunny with respectable viewership on for the Super Bowl halftime.
Meanwhile, TPUSA took a chunk of the viewers who tuned in to their halftime presentation. Over 25 million viewers watched the TPUSA pro-American lineup.

But Samba TV reported startling numbers this morning.

According to Samba, NEARLY HALF of the Super Bowl audience tuned out at halftime rather than watch Hispanic act Bad Bunny whose entire act was in Spanish.

This was a shocking report.

The Super Bowl lost 22.1 million viewers during the halftime entertainment.

Actually more people watched bad bunny than the game.

“Bad Bunny‘s Super Bowl halftime show — or the “Benito Bowl,” as it was affectionally named by his fans — reached an average of 128.2 million viewers on Sunday

Measured by Nielsen, that’s above the 124.9 million average viewers achieved by this year’s Super Bowl overall“
https://variety.com/2026/tv/news/bad-bun...236658587/

(02-10-2026 07:08 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(02-10-2026 03:51 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Bad Bunny Super Bowl Show Fiasco Gets Worse As Revolting Lyrics to His Songs Revealed

It’s Worse Than We Thought… NFL Lost Nearly Half of Their Audience During Halftime Show!

Quote:It’s worse than we thought.

The original numbers released showed Bad Bunny with respectable viewership on for the Super Bowl halftime.
Meanwhile, TPUSA took a chunk of the viewers who tuned in to their halftime presentation. Over 25 million viewers watched the TPUSA pro-American lineup.

But Samba TV reported startling numbers this morning.

According to Samba, NEARLY HALF of the Super Bowl audience tuned out at halftime rather than watch Hispanic act Bad Bunny whose entire act was in Spanish.

This was a shocking report.

The Super Bowl lost 22.1 million viewers during the halftime entertainment.

Actually more people watched bad bunny than the game.

“Bad Bunny‘s Super Bowl halftime show — or the “Benito Bowl,” as it was affectionally named by his fans — reached an average of 128.2 million viewers on Sunday

Measured by Nielsen, that’s above the 124.9 million average viewers achieved by this year’s Super Bowl overall“
https://variety.com/2026/tv/news/bad-bun...236658587/

Huge gift to the GOP

Fuel your delusion