(12-08-2025 09:57 AM)Big Dub Wrote:  Maybe he figures it out this time but he looks way more competent/effective as a coordinator than a head coach.

Just so many options for a head coach out there and they're going with him... it's kind of absurd.

I hear Charlie Huff is available as needed. What’s the commute between Memphis and Tulane?
Can’t be all that far?.

(12-08-2025 12:04 PM)Eagle Talon Wrote:  Not sure he has many friends, but somebody ought to check on that guy thewavefan.

All of them?

The few Tulane arguments in favor of all handwave his failure at USM by just blaming it on USM, but a quick look at what has actually transpired...

Southern Miss, 2015-2020: 40-34
Southern Miss, 2021-2024: 14-35
Southern Miss, 2025: 7-5

So that's a decade of information. The non-Hall years produced a winning percentage of .547 and the Hall years produced a winning percentage of .286. You just can't handwave his USM record away with that context.

I'm not gonna sit here and argue that .547 is some kind of incredible run, but it's a far cry from .286!

(12-08-2025 01:29 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(12-08-2025 01:28 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(12-08-2025 12:32 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(12-08-2025 12:20 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(12-08-2025 12:01 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Maybe the NIL dollars will help Will Hall... but he's certainly no Jon Sumrall. He doesn't have the same ability to rah-rah the team together and emphasize smash-mouth, physical football like Sumrall could.

Tulane with Hall and Memphis with Huff... Might be a while before the American has another season like this one. USF hire seems very solid, North Texas should be "ok" with Neal Brown, but I have some reservations about that.

A lot of questionable hires by programs that are supposedly trying to peacock strut themselves in front of "power" leagues.

I think this is the reality of people trying to save as much money as possible for the roster.

Jimmy's and Joe's and more important than X's and O's but X's and O's still matter enough that I wouldn't be making some of these hires if results were important to me.


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The X's and O's guys pick the Jimmy's and Joe's though, and Hall is bad at that too.

(12-08-2025 02:47 PM)Eagle Talon Wrote:  It’s just bizarre. Why would they need to save money? They’re about to get 4 million from a playoff appearance. No idea if their conference shares that money though.

Plus, Florida has to buyout Sumrall's contract. They should be LOADED!

"internal sabotage"

(12-08-2025 04:01 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  I come from a time and place where Memphis was the perennial doormat of our East division and Tulane was the perennial doormat of the West Division. We went 4-0 against Tulane in cross-division conference games, and none of those games were particularly close.

One of them was 27-26, and all 4 of them were in the 2005-’10 era, when Tulane really was in the initial phase of rebuilding from Katrina.

Quote:Happy to see those two schools with their new coaches.

We have two conference titles, a BCS bowl victory against Southern Cal and (now) a CFP berth in the last 4 seasons. If a bad hire is the price we have to pay for that success, so be it.

(12-08-2025 12:40 PM)FairwayEagle Wrote:  

(12-08-2025 11:55 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Back when Tulane was still in the SEC they wanted to deemphasize athletics. They reduced scholarships and became uncompetitive and left the SEC in 1966. And then today they hired Will Hall, which would feel like a punch to the gut if I was a Tulane fan. Maybe he’ll do better at Tulane, but after their last two hires this is surprising.

They actually came pretty close to dropping to D3 in the late 90s or early 00s.

The stat I like about Tulane is they have more SEC championships than State.

On the sentiment that Hall was a mole at USM, it seems anyone we bring in with strong SEC ties doesn't do well at USM.

(12-08-2025 05:08 PM)raptorbpw Wrote:  The few Tulane arguments in favor of all handwave his failure at USM by just blaming it on USM, but a quick look at what has actually transpired...

Southern Miss, 2015-2020: 40-34
Southern Miss, 2021-2024: 14-35
Southern Miss, 2025: 7-5

So that's a decade of information. The non-Hall years produced a winning percentage of .547 and the Hall years produced a winning percentage of .286. You just can't handwave his USM record away with that context.

I'm not gonna sit here and argue that .547 is some kind of incredible run, but it's a far cry from .286!

Narrowing it down even further to the HCs immediately before & after and removing interim-coached games leaves you with:

Jay Hopson (2016-2020): 28-23 (.549)

Will Hall (2021-2024): 14-30 (.318)

Charles Huff (2025): 7-5 (.583)

I’m pleasantly befuddled. For about a week or so, just as a joke, I’ve been pushing Hall for the job on Twitter whenever the opportunity to do so came across my feed. Hell if they didn’t actually hire the son of a gun.

Will Hall was fired after starting 1-6 in 2024 so his record is actually 14-30. If you look at USM’s last 10 coaches, he’s second worst after ELLLLLLLLLLLLis. And that includes Monken who started 1-11 recovering from the 0-12 season.

Bobby Collins: 48-30-2 (61.25%)
Jim Carmody: 37-29 (56.06%)
Curley Hallman: 23-11 (67.65%)
Jeff Bower: 119-83-1 (58.87%)
Larry Fedora: 34-19 (64.15%)
Ellis Johnson 0-12 (0.00%)
Todd Monken: 13-25 (34.21%)
Jay Hopson: 28-23 (54.90%)
Will Hall: 14-30 (25.92%)
Charles Huff: 7-5 (58.33%)

(12-08-2025 11:59 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Will Hall was fired after starting 1-6 in 2024 so his record is actually 14-30. If you look at USM’s last 10 coaches, he’s second worst after ELLLLLLLLLLLLis. And that includes Monken who started 1-11 recovering from the 0-12 season.

Bobby Collins: 48-30-2 (61.25%)
Jim Carmody: 37-29 (56.06%)
Curley Hallman: 23-11 (67.65%)
Jeff Bower: 119-83-1 (58.87%)
Larry Fedora: 34-19 (64.15%)
Ellis Johnson 0-12 (0.00%)
Todd Monken: 13-25 (34.21%)
Jay Hopson: 28-23 (54.90%)
Will Hall: 14-30 (25.92%)
Charles Huff: 7-5 (58.33%)

Monken's record needs some color added as he had to rebuild from the absolute scorched earth brought on by Elloss. In 2015, Monken went 9-5 and won a division.

(12-08-2025 11:59 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Will Hall was fired after starting 1-6 in 2024 so his record is actually 14-30.

Thanks. I guess I mixed up how long he was actually here vs. when I checked out on him. My above post is now corrected.

(12-08-2025 11:55 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Back when Tulane was still in the SEC they wanted to deemphasize athletics. They reduced scholarships and became uncompetitive and left the SEC in 1966. And then today they hired Will Hall, which would feel like a punch to the gut if I was a Tulane fan. Maybe he’ll do better at Tulane, but after their last two hires this is surprising.

Well, I guess they thought they'd hire another guy whose last HC spot was at a SBC school?

That DOES fit the mold of their hires....lol

(12-08-2025 04:50 PM)Porcine Wrote:  

(12-08-2025 12:04 PM)Eagle Talon Wrote:  Not sure he has many friends, but somebody ought to check on that guy thewavefan.

All of them?

People should know "he" is ghoseofclt as well.

(12-09-2025 01:35 PM)everyone Wrote:  

(12-08-2025 04:50 PM)Porcine Wrote:  

(12-08-2025 12:04 PM)Eagle Talon Wrote:  Not sure he has many friends, but somebody ought to check on that guy thewavefan.

All of them?

People should know "he" is ghoseofclt as well.

Just a theory or what?

(12-09-2025 01:48 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(12-09-2025 01:35 PM)everyone Wrote:  

(12-08-2025 04:50 PM)Porcine Wrote:  

(12-08-2025 12:04 PM)Eagle Talon Wrote:  Not sure he has many friends, but somebody ought to check on that guy thewavefan.

All of them?

People should know "he" is ghoseofclt as well.

Just a theory or what?

He's at least 3 different posters or they are 3 close acquaintances; CLT, wavefan & fau Connoisseur. Maybe more honestly.

They kind of all post in the same vernacular, had the same opinions, and liked every post from each other, especially CLT. That was a few years ago however, no idea now.

(12-09-2025 02:21 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(12-09-2025 01:48 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(12-09-2025 01:35 PM)everyone Wrote:  

(12-08-2025 04:50 PM)Porcine Wrote:  

(12-08-2025 12:04 PM)Eagle Talon Wrote:  Not sure he has many friends, but somebody ought to check on that guy thewavefan.

All of them?

People should know "he" is ghoseofclt as well.

Just a theory or what?

He's at least 3 different posters or they are 3 close acquaintances; CLT, wavefan & fau Connoisseur. Maybe more honestly.

They kind of all post in the same vernacular, had the same opinions, and liked every post from each other, especially CLT. That was a few years ago however, no idea now.

gdunn says you're being silly

(12-09-2025 11:48 AM)FairwayEagle Wrote:  

(12-08-2025 11:59 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Will Hall was fired after starting 1-6 in 2024 so his record is actually 14-30. If you look at USM’s last 10 coaches, he’s second worst after ELLLLLLLLLLLLis. And that includes Monken who started 1-11 recovering from the 0-12 season.

Bobby Collins: 48-30-2 (61.25%)
Jim Carmody: 37-29 (56.06%)
Curley Hallman: 23-11 (67.65%)
Jeff Bower: 119-83-1 (58.87%)
Larry Fedora: 34-19 (64.15%)
Ellis Johnson 0-12 (0.00%)
Todd Monken: 13-25 (34.21%)
Jay Hopson: 28-23 (54.90%)
Will Hall: 14-30 (25.92%)
Charles Huff: 7-5 (58.33%)

Monken's record needs some color added as he had to rebuild from the absolute scorched earth brought on by Elloss. In 2015, Monken went 9-5 and won a division.

That’s what I meant by him starting 1-11 recovering from the 0-12 season.

(12-09-2025 05:31 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(12-09-2025 11:48 AM)FairwayEagle Wrote:  

(12-08-2025 11:59 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Will Hall was fired after starting 1-6 in 2024 so his record is actually 14-30. If you look at USM’s last 10 coaches, he’s second worst after ELLLLLLLLLLLLis. And that includes Monken who started 1-11 recovering from the 0-12 season.

Bobby Collins: 48-30-2 (61.25%)
Jim Carmody: 37-29 (56.06%)
Curley Hallman: 23-11 (67.65%)
Jeff Bower: 119-83-1 (58.87%)
Larry Fedora: 34-19 (64.15%)
Ellis Johnson 0-12 (0.00%)
Todd Monken: 13-25 (34.21%)
Jay Hopson: 28-23 (54.90%)
Will Hall: 14-30 (25.92%)
Charles Huff: 7-5 (58.33%)

Monken's record needs some color added as he had to rebuild from the absolute scorched earth brought on by Elloss. In 2015, Monken went 9-5 and won a division.

That’s what I meant by him starting 1-11 recovering from the 0-12 season.

Oops, my bad, I just looked at the numbers. Your point is well taken.

(12-08-2025 12:46 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(12-08-2025 12:17 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  Either Tulane had very poor back-up plans or Hall really was a mole sent to crash Southern Miss the whole time.

That would just make him awful at being mole too... he beat the team that contracted him

Accidents happen.