(10-21-2025 01:30 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 01:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  While its kinda sad that most dont know we are a Constitutional Republic, I think they know we live in some form of a democracy---and they understand its much different than a dictatorship or a monarchy....which is just another reason the "No Kings" rallies are incredibly stupid and ignored by most. They know we dont have a king. If Trump was a king, a "No Kings" rally would never happen and the government would not currently be shut down.

They have the belief that Trump is trying to become king...

They also believed Russia Russia Russia and thought George Flyod was a hero. They thought Trump would not leave the White House in 2020. The same group believed the Hunter Laptop was "Russian disinformation" and that Biden was cognitively "sharp as a tack". They are who they are---the useful idiots of the DNC.

(10-21-2025 01:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 01:30 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 01:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  While its kinda sad that most dont know we are a Constitutional Republic, I think they know we live in some form of a democracy---and they understand its much different than a dictatorship or a monarchy....which is just another reason the "No Kings" rallies are incredibly stupid and ignored by most. They know we dont have a king. If Trump was a king, a "No Kings" rally would never happen and the government would not currently be shut down.

They have the belief that Trump is trying to become king...

They also believed Russia Russia Russia and thought George Flyod was a hero. They thought Trump would not leave the White House in 2020. The same group believed the Hunter Laptop was "Russian disinformation" and that Biden was cognitively "sharp as a tack". They are who they are---the useful idiots of the DNC.

hence, endeth the lesson...

Most publicly educated American citizens would know that when asked what form of government did you give us, Benjamin Franklin responded ’a democracy’.






I did say publicly educated. Besides most of those American citizens would not have an idea who Benjamin Franklin was.

(10-21-2025 02:14 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Most publicly educated American citizens would know that when asked what form of government did you give us, Benjamin Franklin responded ’a democracy’.






I did say publicly educated. Besides most of those American citizens would not have an idea who Benjamin Franklin was.

No, he said, "a republic, if you can keep it."

The FF's hated democracy.

(10-21-2025 01:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 01:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 01:04 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Democracy = mob rule.

While accurate, to me the difference in governments is not so much about Democracy vs Republic. Its the "Constitution" part of "Constitutional Republic" that makes all the difference over a pure Democracy. Its the Constitution that provides Americans with their freedoms and rights. A government with a Constitutional Democracy (assuming the rights protected are the same as ours) would probably be about the same at protecting the rights of the individual vs the state as our Constitutional Republic.

I won't argue this.

We don't have any rights regarding our health care. This is a real problem our forefathers could not anticipate. It is why we are being attacked by WHO and by the Democrats to force us to take vaccinations. Without an amendment on this, or a Supreme Court ruling that something else extends to this, we will be defenseless.

They already know they can get away with it. They will do it again if we don't do something.

We need a healthcare amendment. Now.

(10-21-2025 02:53 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 01:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 01:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 01:04 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Democracy = mob rule.

While accurate, to me the difference in governments is not so much about Democracy vs Republic. Its the "Constitution" part of "Constitutional Republic" that makes all the difference over a pure Democracy. Its the Constitution that provides Americans with their freedoms and rights. A government with a Constitutional Democracy (assuming the rights protected are the same as ours) would probably be about the same at protecting the rights of the individual vs the state as our Constitutional Republic.

I won't argue this.

We don't have any rights regarding our health care. This is a real problem our forefathers could not anticipate. It is why we are being attacked by WHO and by the Democrats to force us to take vaccinations. Without an amendment on this, or a Supreme Court ruling that something else extends to this, we will be defenseless.

They already know they can get away with it. They will do it again if we don't do something.

We need a healthcare amendment. Now.

the day you were told, "health care is a right" is no different that muh mistah green jean bo janglin' their padded pockets...

it's not the boomers fault due to politics (well, maybe a li'l) , but the boomers largess in numbers + longevity in historical valuation hit at the wrong fk'n time...

I'm from the gen of, "oh shite ... we can only afford 3 on one salary ... and that's doing it the frugal way." .... yeah, that epitomizes why gen X is too small in numbers...

hence, #wealthSiphon

oh, fk'n wellzy...

(10-21-2025 02:53 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 01:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 01:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 01:04 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Democracy = mob rule.

While accurate, to me the difference in governments is not so much about Democracy vs Republic. Its the "Constitution" part of "Constitutional Republic" that makes all the difference over a pure Democracy. Its the Constitution that provides Americans with their freedoms and rights. A government with a Constitutional Democracy (assuming the rights protected are the same as ours) would probably be about the same at protecting the rights of the individual vs the state as our Constitutional Republic.

I won't argue this.

We don't have any rights regarding our health care. This is a real problem our forefathers could not anticipate. It is why we are being attacked by WHO and by the Democrats to force us to take vaccinations. Without an amendment on this, or a Supreme Court ruling that something else extends to this, we will be defenseless.

They already know they can get away with it. They will do it again if we don't do something.

We need a healthcare amendment. Now.

There was no welfare state when the country was founded. The saying on the Statue of Liberty is the biggest lie ever told.

Illegal aliens don't come here to work. They come here to work the system.

(10-21-2025 03:53 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 02:53 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 01:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 01:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 01:04 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Democracy = mob rule.

While accurate, to me the difference in governments is not so much about Democracy vs Republic. Its the "Constitution" part of "Constitutional Republic" that makes all the difference over a pure Democracy. Its the Constitution that provides Americans with their freedoms and rights. A government with a Constitutional Democracy (assuming the rights protected are the same as ours) would probably be about the same at protecting the rights of the individual vs the state as our Constitutional Republic.

I won't argue this.

We don't have any rights regarding our health care. This is a real problem our forefathers could not anticipate. It is why we are being attacked by WHO and by the Democrats to force us to take vaccinations. Without an amendment on this, or a Supreme Court ruling that something else extends to this, we will be defenseless.

They already know they can get away with it. They will do it again if we don't do something.

We need a healthcare amendment. Now.

There was no welfare state when the country was founded. The saying on the Statue of Liberty is the biggest lie ever told.

Illegal aliens don't come here to work. They come here to work the system.

it wasn't much over 130 yrs. ago, the medicine man was many a best friend ... now they call 'em drug dealers or big pharma...

funny how things look if one thinks about thingys in the rear view ...

(10-21-2025 03:59 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 03:53 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 02:53 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 01:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 01:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  While accurate, to me the difference in governments is not so much about Democracy vs Republic. Its the "Constitution" part of "Constitutional Republic" that makes all the difference over a pure Democracy. Its the Constitution that provides Americans with their freedoms and rights. A government with a Constitutional Democracy (assuming the rights protected are the same as ours) would probably be about the same at protecting the rights of the individual vs the state as our Constitutional Republic.

I won't argue this.

We don't have any rights regarding our health care. This is a real problem our forefathers could not anticipate. It is why we are being attacked by WHO and by the Democrats to force us to take vaccinations. Without an amendment on this, or a Supreme Court ruling that something else extends to this, we will be defenseless.

They already know they can get away with it. They will do it again if we don't do something.

We need a healthcare amendment. Now.

There was no welfare state when the country was founded. The saying on the Statue of Liberty is the biggest lie ever told.

Illegal aliens don't come here to work. They come here to work the system.

it wasn't much over 130 yrs. ago, the medicine man was many a best friend ... now they call 'em drug dealers or big pharma...

funny how things look if one thinks about thingys in the rear view ...

That's because the government wanted in on the money doctors were making, and now doctors push medicine that's ten times worse than the ailment it's supposed to treat thanks to government intervention.

(10-21-2025 04:23 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 03:59 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 03:53 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 02:53 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 01:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I won't argue this.

We don't have any rights regarding our health care. This is a real problem our forefathers could not anticipate. It is why we are being attacked by WHO and by the Democrats to force us to take vaccinations. Without an amendment on this, or a Supreme Court ruling that something else extends to this, we will be defenseless.

They already know they can get away with it. They will do it again if we don't do something.

We need a healthcare amendment. Now.

There was no welfare state when the country was founded. The saying on the Statue of Liberty is the biggest lie ever told.

Illegal aliens don't come here to work. They come here to work the system.

it wasn't much over 130 yrs. ago, the medicine man was many a best friend ... now they call 'em drug dealers or big pharma...

funny how things look if one thinks about thingys in the rear view ...

That's because the government wanted in on the money doctors were making, and now doctors push medicine that's ten times worse than the ailment it's supposed to treat thanks to government intervention.

bingo!

see ... it doesn't take a thesis to prove a point .. well done, sir!!!

we should all understand the value of Kennedy 'the gravel' Jr ... this is their familias 'legacy' in a sense ... there's the value!

(10-21-2025 02:18 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 02:14 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Most publicly educated American citizens would know that when asked what form of government did you give us, Benjamin Franklin responded ’a democracy’.






I did say publicly educated. Besides most of those American citizens would not have an idea who Benjamin Franklin was.

No, he said, "a republic, if you can keep it."

The FF's hated democracy.

That's right. They knew to truly have a free people, we had to have a form of government that ensured liberty for everyone.

(10-21-2025 12:27 PM)mlb Wrote:  So, to go back to the point I made above, their fundamental misunderstanding of the threats against our country right now are much more meaningful to me than someone calling our government a democracy.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQAwxRvjKPA/

(10-21-2025 02:18 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 02:14 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Most publicly educated American citizens would know that when asked what form of government did you give us, Benjamin Franklin responded ’a democracy’.






I did say publicly educated. Besides most of those American citizens would not have an idea who Benjamin Franklin was.

No, he said, "a republic, if you can keep it."

The FF's hated democracy.

Good grief. Take your meds and read slower. You might just get the meaning in a post if you do.

(10-21-2025 05:08 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 02:18 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 02:14 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Most publicly educated American citizens would know that when asked what form of government did you give us, Benjamin Franklin responded ’a democracy’.






I did say publicly educated. Besides most of those American citizens would not have an idea who Benjamin Franklin was.

No, he said, "a republic, if you can keep it."

The FF's hated democracy.

That's right. They knew to truly have a free people, we had to have a form of government that ensured liberty for everyone.

I said it twice! Tongue in cheek TWICE! ——PUBLICLY EDUCATED—-
Meaning they were not taught jack chit about the founding of this country. Thus you got a lot of ignorant people yelling “muh democracy!”.

Back to something closer to the original subject of the OP---

It looks like Putin is now slowing the peace process. Lavrov apparently hit pause on the process by putting the expected meeting of the high level Russian and American staffs this week (which was designed to set the stage for the next weeks proposed Trump-Putin summit). Apparently, Lavrov spent his time talking with Rubio explaining that Russia's stance essentially requiring the unconditional surrender of Ukraine and the West has not changed. The "peace deal" terms Putin is willing to entertain include Ukrainian regime change designed to make Ukraine a pro-Russian puppet state, complete military disarmament, removal of all sanctions by the West, no NATO membership for Ukraine, no foreign peace keepers to protect Ukriane, and NATO must pull back to its 1991 borders. Additionally---Russia would require Ukraine to give up the portions of 4 Oblasts that the Russians annexed----but do not currently occupy. The only concession Russia is willing to make, is they will "allow" whats left of Ukraine to keep other areas of Ukraine that the Russians also do not currently occupy (which is not really a concession). Lavrov was apparently concerned that Trump was under the impression that Russia would consider Trumps "freeze the front lines in place" peace plan. Lavrov wanted to make it clear Russia's stance was no different than it was before last Thursdays Putin-Trump phone call.

So---lets review. Trump says he's considering sending Tomahawks and will likely approve them when he meets with Zelensky. After no real contact or movement at all by the Russians in the Urkaine peace processs over the last 2 months---the day before Trump is to meet with Z to discuss Tomahawks, Putin miraculously gives Trump a call to discuss the peace process. Trump announces that progress was made during the call and that high level staff meetings will happen next week---with another Putin-Trump summit to follow about a week later. The next day, Trump basically puts Tomahawks on hold when he meets with Z and announces his desire for peace. Just 4 days later---with Tomahawks cancelled----Russia restates the same old Feb 2022 demands for the complete and total surrender of Ukraine (along with massive concession on the part of the NATO)---and puts all future meetings on hold. Is there anyone over the age of 5 that cant understand what the Russians are doing?

Trump is an absolute moron if he doesnt announce he has decided that Tomahawks have been approved for delivery and will arrive in Ukraine soon. My guess is the Russian peace process log jam will suddenly break and progress will happen fast on that front.

(10-21-2025 01:30 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-21-2025 01:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  While its kinda sad that most dont know we are a Constitutional Republic, I think they know we live in some form of a democracy---and they understand its much different than a dictatorship or a monarchy....which is just another reason the "No Kings" rallies are incredibly stupid and ignored by most. They know we dont have a king. If Trump was a king, a "No Kings" rally would never happen and the government would not currently be shut down.

They have the belief that Trump is trying to become king...

They are uninformed brainwashed lackeys following a propaganda script. I have seen enough of these lunatics interviewed to know that somewhere on their head it is written INFLATE to 50 PSI

(10-22-2025 01:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Back to something closer to the original subject of the OP---

It looks like Putin is now slowing the peace process. Lavrov apparently hit pause on the process by putting the expected meeting of the high level Russian and American staffs this week (which was designed to set the stage for the next weeks proposed Trump-Putin summit). Apparently, Lavrov spent his time talking with Rubio explaining that Russia's stance essentially requiring the unconditional surrender of Ukraine and the West has not changed. The "peace deal" terms Putin is willing to entertain include Ukrainian regime change designed to make Ukraine a pro-Russian puppet state, complete military disarmament, removal of all sanctions by the West, no NATO membership for Ukraine, no foreign peace keepers to protect Ukriane, and NATO must pull back to its 1991 borders. Additionally---Russia would require Ukraine to give up the portions of 4 Oblasts that the Russians annexed----but do not currently occupy. The only concession Russia is willing to make, is they will "allow" whats left of Ukraine to keep other areas of Ukraine that the Russians also do not currently occupy (which is not really a concession). Lavrov was apparently concerned that Trump was under the impression that Russia would consider Trumps "freeze the front lines in place" peace plan. Lavrov wanted to make it clear Russia's stance was no different than it was before last Thursdays Putin-Trump phone call.

So---lets review. Trump says he's considering sending Tomahawks and will likely approve them when he meets with Zelensky. After no real contact or movement at all by the Russians in the Urkaine peace processs over the last 2 months---the day before Trump is to meet with Z to discuss Tomahawks, Putin miraculously gives Trump a call to discuss the peace process. Trump announces that progress was made during the call and that staff high level meetings will happen next week---with another Putin-Trump summit to follow about a week later. The next day, Trump basically puts Tomahawks on hold when he meets with Z and announces his desire for peace. Just 4 days later---with Tomahawks cancelled----Russia restates the same old Feb 2022 demands for the complete and total surrender of Ukraine (along with massive concession on the part of the NATO)---and puts all future meetings on hold. Is there anyone over the age of 5 that cant understand what the Russians are doing?

Trump is an absolute moron if he doesnt announce he has decided that Tomahawks have been approved for delivery and will arrive in Ukraine soon. My guess is the Russian peace process log jam will suddenly break and progress will happen fast on that front.

Anyone with eyes could see this coming from a mile off.

https://understandingwar.org/research/ru...r-21-2025/

What a joke. Trump once again is left eating a bologna sandwich after Putin reneged on their steak dinner date. This is becoming a clown show.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov reiterated that Russia is unwilling to agree to an immediate ceasefire in Ukraine that does not result in Ukraine’s complete capitulation.

There is an old saying Trump desperately needs to hear about right now:

Either Sh!t or get off the Pot

(10-22-2025 03:11 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(10-22-2025 01:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Back to something closer to the original subject of the OP---

It looks like Putin is now slowing the peace process. Lavrov apparently hit pause on the process by putting the expected meeting of the high level Russian and American staffs this week (which was designed to set the stage for the next weeks proposed Trump-Putin summit). Apparently, Lavrov spent his time talking with Rubio explaining that Russia's stance essentially requiring the unconditional surrender of Ukraine and the West has not changed. The "peace deal" terms Putin is willing to entertain include Ukrainian regime change designed to make Ukraine a pro-Russian puppet state, complete military disarmament, removal of all sanctions by the West, no NATO membership for Ukraine, no foreign peace keepers to protect Ukriane, and NATO must pull back to its 1991 borders. Additionally---Russia would require Ukraine to give up the portions of 4 Oblasts that the Russians annexed----but do not currently occupy. The only concession Russia is willing to make, is they will "allow" whats left of Ukraine to keep other areas of Ukraine that the Russians also do not currently occupy (which is not really a concession). Lavrov was apparently concerned that Trump was under the impression that Russia would consider Trumps "freeze the front lines in place" peace plan. Lavrov wanted to make it clear Russia's stance was no different than it was before last Thursdays Putin-Trump phone call.

So---lets review. Trump says he's considering sending Tomahawks and will likely approve them when he meets with Zelensky. After no real contact or movement at all by the Russians in the Urkaine peace processs over the last 2 months---the day before Trump is to meet with Z to discuss Tomahawks, Putin miraculously gives Trump a call to discuss the peace process. Trump announces that progress was made during the call and that staff high level meetings will happen next week---with another Putin-Trump summit to follow about a week later. The next day, Trump basically puts Tomahawks on hold when he meets with Z and announces his desire for peace. Just 4 days later---with Tomahawks cancelled----Russia restates the same old Feb 2022 demands for the complete and total surrender of Ukraine (along with massive concession on the part of the NATO)---and puts all future meetings on hold. Is there anyone over the age of 5 that cant understand what the Russians are doing?

Trump is an absolute moron if he doesnt announce he has decided that Tomahawks have been approved for delivery and will arrive in Ukraine soon. My guess is the Russian peace process log jam will suddenly break and progress will happen fast on that front.

Anyone with eyes could see this coming from a mile off.

I was afraid it would happen---and its why I said last Friday that publicly halting progress on the Tomahawk sale was a mistake. Trump had finally found a leverage point that worked with Putin....completely removing that leverage point seemed destined to result in the Russians simply reverting to their previous behavior (and thats exactly what happened).

(10-22-2025 03:19 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  https://understandingwar.org/research/ru...r-21-2025/

What a joke. Trump once again is left eating a bologna sandwich after Putin reneged on their steak dinner date. This is becoming a clown show.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov reiterated that Russia is unwilling to agree to an immediate ceasefire in Ukraine that does not result in Ukraine’s complete capitulation.

There is an old saying Trump desperately needs to hear about right now:

Either Sh!t or get off the Pot

Trump needs to say frick all you crazy bastards

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