I am in favor of banning the sniveling turd. There are too many worthwhile threads that he has singlehandedly derailed. It is not fair to the rest of the posters here.

You guys are mostly all unrepentant dicks, but you are at least worth paying some attention to. That can't happen when he enters a thread. He affirmative seeks out interesting discussions and ruins them. It is a form of online vandalism.

(10-09-2025 12:59 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 12:48 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 12:43 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  or an utter and complete breakdown in the state to enforce law.

Exactly. Just like in Portland, LA, and Chicago.

Funny, your responses in the courts really dont make that a factual reality. Funny that.

The scope of evidence *you all* brought forth in the contention of that conclusory statement you repeat above in the Portland case is (literally) : one dude who brought out a paper maiche guillotine, two people shing flashlights into cars, and one case of doxxing.

Which one of those tips it into "an utter and complete breakdown in the state to enforce the law" in your mind? The paper mache guillotine? Yeah has to be the fake guillotine.

I don't know if you intentionally like lying or just get your information from motherjones or what but your premise about what was provided in court is absurdly false yet again.

1) DOJ highlighted the persistent violence and unrest LE has faced in Portland. For this reason, they argued that the situation in Portland constituted a "rebellion" that local law enforcement could not handle. Dozens of agents have been injured in the past few months - many of them in Portland, so they cited a persistent record of violence outside the ICE facility, claiming federal agents needed assistance and the National Guard was the best option especially since agents are as previously noted overextended because of threats to them all over the nation. Seeing examples of places that typically have a few guards for protection services requiring 20 to 30 times more than that.

2) Because Federal agents were overextended, DOJ attorneys contended that federal agents were overwhelmed by protesters and that the presence of the National Guard was necessary to help enforce federal law and protect federal property. It requires more people to deal with it. They need breaks and there's no backup. Especially from the locals who are supposed to be the ones providing crowd control in the streets.

The references to guillotine and flashlights were highlighted to demonstrate the increasing brashness. I mean seriously just flippin turn on the TV or your phone and you can see some of the stuff that's happening.

I'm done. It's clear you will just lie and have no interest in an honest discussion. From henceforth will just reference the litany of falsehoods here in this thread and most of the other engagements.

(10-09-2025 01:40 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  I am in favor of banning the sniveling turd. There are too many worthwhile threads that he has singlehandedly derailed. It is not fair to the rest of the posters here.

You guys are mostly all unrepentant dicks, but you are at least worth paying some attention to. That can't happen when he enters a thread. He affirmative seeks out interesting discussions and ruins them. It is a form of online vandalism.

Most of us are indeed unrepentant dicks. Others, like myself, have just reached the end of our rope with this hombre and are acting accordingly. lol

Maybe we should start reporting him for derailing threads from this point on? That sounds like a good plan.

(10-09-2025 02:22 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 01:40 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  I am in favor of banning the sniveling turd. There are too many worthwhile threads that he has singlehandedly derailed. It is not fair to the rest of the posters here.

You guys are mostly all unrepentant dicks, but you are at least worth paying some attention to. That can't happen when he enters a thread. He affirmative seeks out interesting discussions and ruins them. It is a form of online vandalism.

Most of us are indeed unrepentant dicks.

I actually have this t-shirt

(10-09-2025 02:22 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 01:40 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  I am in favor of banning the sniveling turd. There are too many worthwhile threads that he has singlehandedly derailed. It is not fair to the rest of the posters here.

You guys are mostly all unrepentant dicks, but you are at least worth paying some attention to. That can't happen when he enters a thread. He affirmative seeks out interesting discussions and ruins them. It is a form of online vandalism.

Most of us are indeed unrepentant dicks. Others, like myself, have just reached the end of our rope with this hombre and are acting accordingly. lol

Maybe we should start reporting him for derailing threads from this point on? That sounds like a good plan.

I'm stickin' with sig line 4 or bust ... that's where nuts is at...

sorry, GC, but I'm not reporting a soul...

Fair enough, stink.

(10-09-2025 01:11 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 12:29 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 12:16 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 11:43 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 10:08 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  There is a massive difference in the law between a situation where any single agency is impeded, and the rubicon of calling in the armed forces to do that job.

To label someone who is in favor of the reservation of the military being used on US soil in an active role to the stated "most extreme situations" as delineated in 10 USC 1246, the Insurrection Act, and few other places as 'a supporter or sympathizer of terrorism' is the epitome of stupid.

Im really fing sorry that the resources arent there for you to quell the ****** protests outside ICE facilities. That in no way brings the situation to calling up a State National Guard, let alone calling up a State National Guard without that state's cooperation and consent. Let alone bringing in troops from another state to another state again without the 'invaded' state's cooperation and consent.

That is the problem these days -- a really fked to **** view of federalism that the idiot right now readily and easily subscribes to.

And feels the need and overriding urge to labeling such federalism concerns as 'terrorist sympathizers'. What an amazing fked up asinine masterpiece of rhetoric.

So, which one? Or is it both?

Not a supporter of terrorists or terrorism.

Not a supporter of sending the US military into the streets on this, *or* for federalizing the Guard for this. *Unless* the target state governor and local authorities agree, and support that decision. Like what occurred in Memphis, mind you.

TN and Memphis said 'roll them in' -- thats all the legal predicate needed there. Not my job to second guess them.

And I support Trumps roll into DC. He is the actual commander of the DC Guard. The action was overblown imo, but still absolutely legal and proper.

And yes, it comes back to Do. It. The. Right. Way.

If the Chicago issue devolves to a Rodney King scenario - then the predicates are met. No sweat with that happening then.

Or if the Chicago police actively impedes the feds -- once again the predicate for *both* 10 usc 1246 *and* the Insurrection Act are met. And once again, no problem with rolling the military in.

Just saying it isnt a bright line 'if not a supporter of US military intervention at the current time in Portland and Chicago THEN an antifa supporter or antifa sympathizer.'
Just like it isnt a proper bright line by calling a critic of the Vietnam War at any time between '65 and '72 a 'communist', a commie sympathizer, or a Ho Chi Minh follower. One could easily be a critic of the Vietnam War without any of the former.

I simply dont agree with your former declaration of 'either /or'. Its simply a false premise, mainly because the only alternatives you present dont fit my viewpoint.

In fact, I have a stark disagreement with much of what that loose movement of antifa stands for in terms of 'end result' in the political system. The portion that I do agree with them is rooted in my very strong support of our Federalism and wish not to have an all powerful Executive. A subset that they seem to note quite prominently recently. And for the record, I will readily condemn any acts of violence perpetrated by them which are performed simply for the reason of creating violence in situations -- a history that they readily exhibit.

And yes, I know this is a subject part and parcel of your life. Its understandable how your response of 'either / or' might be an immediate response. But it is/ was just false.

And when you parse my position on mobilizing the military, it really is without any comment on the the actions and operations of ICE in the two cities. it simply is -- it doesnt appear to me that the legal basis is met, and that the introduction of the military is doen in an improper manner. End of story. With zero comment on any issue I might have with *some* of the manner that ICE and DHS operates in those cities (or others) at the present.

Thank you for the ratcheting down present in your last question.

"TN and Memphis said 'roll them in'"

You are wrong about what you just said. The people that run Memphis were against this in the beginning, no ifs or buts about it. The people that run Memphis are starting to get behind it after seeing the results. All said and done you need to get your facts in order.

great -- Memphis didnt want them. The point is who had the legal authority to implement them, mind you. But hey, thank you for that fairly irrelevant aside. Had you looked the issue was 'consent' and 'agreement'. I guess that thrust eludes you. Glad to know Memphis didnt want them.

Ill give you one guess who has the legal authority to make that call, champ. Which is the main point.

The point is, you made a comment about something you hardly know anything about in Memphis. Nice Tap Dance when you say "fairly irrelevant aside" when you made the statement. The only thing irrelevant to you is being corrected. You made the comment, now own it.

No, Tanq, it's not the main point. You lied. Like always. And terrible job trying to brush it off.

(10-09-2025 02:26 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 02:22 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 01:40 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  I am in favor of banning the sniveling turd. There are too many worthwhile threads that he has singlehandedly derailed. It is not fair to the rest of the posters here.

You guys are mostly all unrepentant dicks, but you are at least worth paying some attention to. That can't happen when he enters a thread. He affirmative seeks out interesting discussions and ruins them. It is a form of online vandalism.

Most of us are indeed unrepentant dicks.

I actually have this t-shirt

I want one too!

I'm an unrepentant dick for sure, but only on this board.

Anywhere else, I'm like this...

(10-09-2025 03:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm an unrepentant dick for sure, but only on this board.

Anywhere else, I'm like this...

hahahahaha ... is my real name ... oops, mum ...

edit: once had cali blonde locks, too ... in the summer, they turned green ...

(10-09-2025 03:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  No, Tanq, it's not the main point. You lied. Like always. And terrible job trying to brush it off.

That's right. He sounds like Nancy Pelosi at this point.

Oh, and tanq, let this be the absolute last time I ever speak to you. The Founding Fathers as well as the Framers of the Constitution and the authors of the Federalist Papers intended for "person/persons/people" and "citizen/citizens/citizenry" to be interchangeable because in their mind it meant the same thing, especially when the former word(s) were followed by "...of the United States". You like the rest of the left (and yes, despite all of your saying you're a libertarian, you're are indeed a leftist) conflate their intent by injecting your contrived meaning into it. That's misrepresentation of their words. You know it. I know it. Everybody knows it.

After this, I'm done so don't even think of responding to this. (But you're going to because you're hellbent on getting the last word on every discussion you insert yourself into because that's what narcissists do. And you, sir, are a narcissist, a malignant one at that.)

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Now then, back on topic: Portland has descended into a hellhole and it's because of the lack of law enforcement by local and state officials. They're dicking around and the feds are having to come in as a long-awaited result. Good. (And if those officials don't like it? Well, they can start enforcing the law and deal with these ANTIFA dorks like they should've been doing all along.)

(10-09-2025 01:40 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  I am in favor of banning the sniveling turd. There are too many worthwhile threads that he has singlehandedly derailed. It is not fair to the rest of the posters here.

You guys are mostly all unrepentant dicks, but you are at least worth paying some attention to. That can't happen when he enters a thread. He affirmative seeks out interesting discussions and ruins them. It is a form of online vandalism.

Well if people didn't respond ALL the time to every post, it wouldn't be an issue.

(10-09-2025 03:45 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 03:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  No, Tanq, it's not the main point. You lied. Like always. And terrible job trying to brush it off.

That's right. He sounds like Nancy Pelosi at this point.

Oh, and tanq, let this be the absolute last time I ever speak to you. The Founding Fathers as well as the Framers of the Constitution and the authors of the Federalist Papers intended for "person/persons/people" and "citizen/citizens/citizenry" to be interchangeable because in their mind it meant the same thing, especially when the former word(s) were followed by "...of the United States". You like the rest of the left (and yes, despite all of your saying you're a libertarian, you're are indeed a leftist) conflate their intent by injecting your contrived meaning into it. That's misrepresentation of their words. You know it. I know it. Everybody knows it.

After this, I'm done so don't even think of responding to this. (But you're going to because you're hellbent on getting the last word on every discussion you insert yourself into because that's what narcissists do. And you, sir, are a narcissist, a malignant one at that.)

Well.... I suggest you write the 1st circuit court of Appeals a scathing diatribe on your idiotic findings. They just addressed that issue. And noted (like every other court has for the mass of the past) just the opposite of your caterwaul. The 1st opinion three weeks ago went well into the detail and history of that issue, as has all of the non pro forma opinions specifically into the 5th and 14th usage.

I'd just as soon you direct your wackjob **** to them, and add your funny excoriations and frantic gyrations. I'd suggest using public records to get a good email address to chastise them.

Quote:Now then, back on topic: Portland has descended into a hellhole and it's because of the lack of law enforcement by local and state officials. They're dicking around and the feds are having to come in as a long-awaited result. Good. (And if those officials don't like it? Well, they can start enforcing the law and deal with these ANTIFA dorks like they should've been doing all along.)

Yep. A hellhole that is so much to wrap their hands around, the Feds have to rely on a paper maiche guillotine, two flashlights, and a single sign with a single dox as the *entirety* of their cited evidence for the (lolzz) 'hellhole' (double lolz) proposition that they furiously make. And you furiously parrot like a true champion of the realm.

Look, if they want to bring in more agents -- go right ahead. Their prerogative. I was particularly impressed with the evil violence insinuated by the guy in the clown makeup and costume yesterday and earlier today. Lolz.

(10-09-2025 04:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 01:40 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  I am in favor of banning the sniveling turd. There are too many worthwhile threads that he has singlehandedly derailed. It is not fair to the rest of the posters here.

You guys are mostly all unrepentant dicks, but you are at least worth paying some attention to. That can't happen when he enters a thread. He affirmative seeks out interesting discussions and ruins them. It is a form of online vandalism.

Well if people didn't respond ALL the time to every post, it wouldn't be an issue.

You're right. It wouldn't be. Unfortunately, he's like a bug light that draws people in with his nonsense. And before we can say "hey, wait a minute!", we get zapped by his constant derailing of threads.

(10-09-2025 03:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm an unrepentant dick for sure, but only on this board.

Anywhere else, I'm like this...

I'm kind of skeptical personally.

I don't care what anybody says. I'm a decent guy both on and off this website.

(10-09-2025 06:37 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(10-09-2025 03:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm an unrepentant dick for sure, but only on this board.

Anywhere else, I'm like this...

I'm kind of skeptical personally.

What's wrong with you? Exact to every detail.

Of course, that was my HS graduation picture.