(10-11-2025 06:01 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I guess he doesn't realize how many of us can't see his posts.

Let him keep yelling into the void by himself.

(10-05-2025 07:42 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-05-2025 12:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  So Trump is prohibited from sending troops to Portland by a Karin (was one he appointed). SHE determined the protests were small and uneventful placing herself in an executive role.

Actually, her TRO pointed out, using Trump's own public untruths, that the basis used in the order was simply a lie.

Quote: But “a great level of deference” is not equivalent to ignoring the facts on the ground.

And --

Quote: The President’s determination was simply untethered to the facts.

Kind of easy to point out the abject lies in the Trump statements preceding the attempt to Federalize the Guard. Funny that.

She also noted the very obvious shortness in the recitation of facts by the US proferred in the filings. And how that level of proof and evidence didnt match in weight the actual evidence presented by such things as, well, actual communications within the State of Oregon on the issue, and the provable level of unrest present matched those communications where State officials decided that they did not feel the need to call up the troops.

Quote:Defendants’ declarants describe only four incidents of protesters clashing with federal
officers in the month of September preceding the federalization order—on September 1st, 9th,
12th, and without further specification, the second week of September.

Quote:The first involved protesters setting up a makeshift
guillotine to intimidate federal officials; the second involved four people shining overpowered
flashlights in the eyes of drivers; the third involved someone posting a photograph of an
unmarked ICE vehicle online; and the last involved additional drivers having flashlights shone in
their eyes.

Wow, four isolated incidents. Quite the fing national emergency that requires the military, or troops being called up.

I guess four single incidents is enough to alarm the Trump WH into a national emergency situation requiring either military troops of the mobilization of Guard. Pretty amazing breach that the Feds seemingly cannot handle. The horrors. Lolz.

Facts are your friend. Kneejerk characterizations may not be.

Ok, enough of this. You may be a brilliant lawyer, that's debatable. But at a certain point when the law doesn't serve justice it's time to a) abolish the law(s) or b) if the law can't be repealed and it is still causing harm then some have no choice but to ignore it and understand that it breaks the barrier between what is legal and what is just.

If the fools that you are defending have their way there will be no laws, they will mete out their own justice and you'll be unemployed. Throw off that lawyer cape you think gives you superpowers and look at this from the perspective of an average citizen. The crime and lawlessness that goes on unabated despite "best efforts" is right there in front of you and you're going to defend the criminals? GTFO.

I would love to to be able to rely on the police to do their jobs but too often they are either riding out the days until they can retire, they do the least they can get away with, or their administrations have their hands tied so tightly behind their backs they are powerless even if they are conscientious.

Use your common sense and stop favoring the perps over the victims.

(10-06-2025 05:56 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  

(10-06-2025 03:05 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-06-2025 03:03 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  They just massively trolling now. It's not even amusing at this point.

Eh, I'm still laughing. Granted, it's at their lame attempts at trolling, which come off as stupidity, at this point.

What is funny and very sad is you all believe your orange daddy when he calls Portland a burning hellscape. The protests are literally in a 1 block area. You guys are the marks the con man depends on. Remember he loves the poorly educated, smart people do not like him and you and your kind lack critical thinking skills, my dude.

Typical 20 something mentality that thinks it knows everything there is to know. You don't know jackshit and there's going to come a time when that realization slaps you upside the head so hard your ears will ring for the rest of your life. You lap up what the MSM spoon feeds you not caring that it's made from human feces.

IF you're older than your 20's then you have no hope. Your mind has been wrested from you and will likely never function properly again, assuming it ever did.

Your ignorance will be your undoing if there's any justice at all. I love seeing people brought down by their own stupidity. I know, it's not very Christian of me but I think even God is laughing at you fools.

(10-12-2025 07:05 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-06-2025 05:56 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  

(10-06-2025 03:05 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-06-2025 03:03 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  They just massively trolling now. It's not even amusing at this point.

Typical 20 something mentality that thinks it knows everything there is to know. You don't know jackshit and there's going to come a time when that realization slaps you upside the head so hard your ears will ring for the rest of your life. You lap up what the MSM spoon feeds you not caring that it's made from human feces.

IF you're older than your 20's then you have no hope. Your mind has been wrested from you and will likely never function properly again, assuming it ever did.

Your ignorance will be your undoing if there's any justice at all. I love seeing people brought down by their own stupidity. I know, it's not very Christian of me but I think even God is laughing at you fools.

My personal quote since my kids turned 16,
When I was 16 I knew all the answers. Now I can't even remember the questions I used to have the answers to.

(10-12-2025 06:50 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Ok, enough of this. You may be a brilliant lawyer, that's debatable. But at a certain point when the law doesn't serve justice it's time to a) abolish the law(s) or b) if the law can't be repealed and it is still causing harm then some have no choice but to ignore it and understand that it breaks the barrier between what is legal and what is just.

If the fools that you are defending have their way there will be no laws, they will mete out their own justice and you'll be unemployed. Throw off that lawyer cape you think gives you superpowers and look at this from the perspective of an average citizen. The crime and lawlessness that goes on unabated despite "best efforts" is right there in front of you and you're going to defend the criminals? GTFO.

I would love to to be able to rely on the police to do their jobs but too often they are either riding out the days until they can retire, they do the least they can get away with, or their administrations have their hands tied so tightly behind their backs they are powerless even if they are conscientious.

Use your common sense and stop favoring the perps over the victims.

Yours is a brilliant post, TB4E. +3.

It will have no impact upon the sniveling turd to whom it is addressed. His point of reference begins and ends with the sneering face in his own mirror. But your post does a superb job of pointing out a critically important issues at stake.

The rule of law is an essential element of our western society. If we are to stay together as a functioning nation, our legal system needs to operate in a manner that is fair and consistent. It will never be perfect, but it needs to be good. And it needs to have the respect of the population generally.

Beginning (in my view) with the Obama administration, our federal law enforcement - - and even more tragically our federal judiciary - - allowed itself to become a tool of the malevolent left. Many on this board pointed that out in real time. But, as illustrated by the incessant posts of the sniveling turd, those are just words. The real fighters were those who faced the political attacks of our leftist government and refused to back down. President Trump and his closest advisors showed enormous courage in doing so.

Now is an inflection point for our federal judiciary. President Trump has hiring/firing authority over our Justice Department, and I trust him to do the long and difficult job of cleaning out the rot. He does not, however, have that same control over a politicized judiciary. That requires a level of courage from Chief Justice Roberts that I fear he lacks. And, if not him, from Congress that needs to exercise some control over the jurisdictional scope of the lower courts.

If this doesn’t happen, we as a nation will lose all faith in the judicial branch of our government. And we as a nation will be worse off for it.

I don’t know the sniveling turd personally, but based upon his posting track record my guess is that is what he desires. The cowardly wish of a powerless little man who wants others to suffer.

(10-12-2025 06:50 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-05-2025 07:42 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-05-2025 12:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  So Trump is prohibited from sending troops to Portland by a Karin (was one he appointed). SHE determined the protests were small and uneventful placing herself in an executive role.

U
Actually, her TRO pointed out, using Trump's own public untruths, that the basis used in the order was simply a lie.

Quote: But “a great level of deference” is not equivalent to ignoring the facts on the ground.

And --

Quote: The President’s determination was simply untethered to the facts.

Kind of easy to point out the abject lies in the Trump statements preceding the attempt to Federalize the Guard. Funny that.

She also noted the very obvious shortness in the recitation of facts by the US proferred in the filings. And how that level of proof and evidence didnt match in weight the actual evidence presented by such things as, well, actual communications within the State of Oregon on the issue, and the provable level of unrest present matched those communications where State officials decided that they did not feel the need to call up the troops.

Quote:Defendants’ declarants describe only four incidents of protesters clashing with federal
officers in the month of September preceding the federalization order—on September 1st, 9th,
12th, and without further specification, the second week of September.

Quote:The first involved protesters setting up a makeshift
guillotine to intimidate federal officials; the second involved four people shining overpowered
flashlights in the eyes of drivers; the third involved someone posting a photograph of an
unmarked ICE vehicle online; and the last involved additional drivers having flashlights shone in
their eyes.

Wow, four isolated incidents. Quite the fing national emergency that requires the military, or troops being called up.

I guess four single incidents is enough to alarm the Trump WH into a national emergency situation requiring either military troops of the mobilization of Guard. Pretty amazing breach that the Feds seemingly cannot handle. The horrors. Lolz.

Facts are your friend. Kneejerk characterizations may not be.

Ok, enough of this. You may be a brilliant lawyer, that's debatable. But at a certain point when the law doesn't serve justice it's time to a) abolish the law(s) or b) if the law can't be repealed and it is still causing harm then some have no choice but to ignore it and understand that it breaks the barrier between what is legal and what is just.

If the fools that you are defending have their way there will be no laws, they will mete out their own justice and you'll be unemployed. Throw off that lawyer cape you think gives you superpowers and look at this from the perspective of an average citizen. The crime and lawlessness that goes on unabated despite "best efforts" is right there in front of you and you're going to defend the criminals? GTFO.

I would love to to be able to rely on the police to do their jobs but too often they are either riding out the days until they can retire, they do the least they can get away with, or their administrations have their hands tied so tightly behind their backs they are powerless even if they are conscientious.

Use your common sense and stop favoring the perps over the victims.

Exactly! I initially tried to explain this to him in a civil manner but he was having none of it. I truly believe he has been indoctrinated by our fine educational system and years of Democratic political correctness to have a career. There is a fog of arrogance and he attempts to use laws and statutes in an egregious way. A way they were not designed for.

Even now the shovel to face approach doesn’t work either.

Great post in restating the obvious but it will fly right past him like a passing shot in Tennis.

(10-12-2025 06:50 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-05-2025 07:42 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-05-2025 12:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  So Trump is prohibited from sending troops to Portland by a Karin (was one he appointed). SHE determined the protests were small and uneventful placing herself in an executive role.

Actually, her TRO pointed out, using Trump's own public untruths, that the basis used in the order was simply a lie.

Quote: But “a great level of deference” is not equivalent to ignoring the facts on the ground.

And --

Quote: The President’s determination was simply untethered to the facts.

Kind of easy to point out the abject lies in the Trump statements preceding the attempt to Federalize the Guard. Funny that.

She also noted the very obvious shortness in the recitation of facts by the US proferred in the filings. And how that level of proof and evidence didnt match in weight the actual evidence presented by such things as, well, actual communications within the State of Oregon on the issue, and the provable level of unrest present matched those communications where State officials decided that they did not feel the need to call up the troops.

Quote:Defendants’ declarants describe only four incidents of protesters clashing with federal
officers in the month of September preceding the federalization order—on September 1st, 9th,
12th, and without further specification, the second week of September.

Quote:The first involved protesters setting up a makeshift
guillotine to intimidate federal officials; the second involved four people shining overpowered
flashlights in the eyes of drivers; the third involved someone posting a photograph of an
unmarked ICE vehicle online; and the last involved additional drivers having flashlights shone in
their eyes.

Wow, four isolated incidents. Quite the fing national emergency that requires the military, or troops being called up.

I guess four single incidents is enough to alarm the Trump WH into a national emergency situation requiring either military troops of the mobilization of Guard. Pretty amazing breach that the Feds seemingly cannot handle. The horrors. Lolz.

Facts are your friend. Kneejerk characterizations may not be.

Ok, enough of this. You may be a brilliant lawyer, that's debatable. But at a certain point when the law doesn't serve justice it's time to a) abolish the law(s)

That is absolutely a valid path. Its one that I think the opponents of the 2nd amendment should use as well. Instead of trying to ignore it out of existence.

Quote:or b) if the law can't be repealed and it is still causing harm then some have no choice but to ignore it and understand that it breaks the barrier between what is legal and what is just.

In that view you are no better than the progressives you continuously denigrate. its just that you and them differ on which laws you think should be absolutely ignored, from your stance above.

And begs the question, what other laws should *magically* be ignored? And the *real* funny thing, is your comment about 'ignoring certain laws you dont like' puts you in the *same* boat as Antifa -- just different laws. Just below you went on a charge (and I quote) "if they have their way there will be no laws, they will mete out their own justice". And literally right above you seemingly support ignoring the law and meting out your own justice. Exactly what you detest about Antifa directly below.

Quote:If the fools that you are defending

TB, Im defending no acts of violence. Charge them.

The issue isnt 'defending violence' --- the issue is when you send in the 82nd Airborne?

Quote:have their way there will be no laws, they will mete out their own justice and you'll be unemployed.

Again, the issue isnt 'defending violence' --- the issue is 'when do you send in the 82nd Airborne?'

TB, with respect, I think you (and lot of people here) are debating a stance that literally has almost nothing to do with the question above. The default from you above seems to be that 'this is defending Antifa' and somehow this might lead to 'if they have ther way there will be no laws'.

Each of those -- when there is violence committed against civil authorities, of any sort, or the populace --- charge them. At the present there is no need to throw the military against them. No matter how many times our President has or continues to use the evil bugaboo of 'Antifa' and 'domestic terror' to whip up a frenzy.

The only metric is a) how much violence occurs in a given locale; and b) are the fed and local authorities able to manage that. If a) is much larger than b), and devolves into the complete or almost complete absence of either civil authority, or devolves in the Feds being completely or nearly completely unable to effectuate Federal law -- then the use of the Guard via callup or the use of the Insurrection Act is proper. And then send them in.

Thee above is what distinguishes our Constitutional system and order from a large number of ****** tinpot authoritarian systems. And till now its worked well to keep us away from that.

If you think that instance of violence are manageable justify sending in the armed forces, what side of the line of that 'authoriatarian / rule of law' does that put you?

Quote:Throw off that lawyer cape you think gives you superpowers and look at this from the perspective of an average citizen. The crime and lawlessness that goes on unabated despite "best efforts" is right there in front of you and you're going to defend the criminals? GTFO.

Unabated? Seriously, look at the judicial records and evidence presented BY THE US in the current cases. Im sorry, the actual proved up record, even the best one presented by the DOJ in both the Oregon *and* Illinois seriously contradict that statement above of 'unabated'. Or is the DOJ lying about the amount of incidents in the record, and the very clear record that it is manageable, simply to take a bagger and lose the cases?

Quote:I would love to to be able to rely on the police to do their jobs but too often they are either riding out the days until they can retire, they do the least they can get away with, or their administrations have their hands tied so tightly behind their backs they are powerless even if they are conscientious.

So you are in favor or martial law, and the ability of the Feds to call up the military for domestic use on a whim? Is that your position from above? Not trying to be antagonistic, but I am trying to find out exactly where you stand on this.

Quote:Use your common sense and stop favoring the perps over the victims.

Your comment there is bit over the top rhetorically speaking. No one is saying 'favor the perps'. They are saying there is a reason why there is a massively high bar for the President to send in the military . At least for those that arent pure MAGA.

(10-12-2025 07:11 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-12-2025 07:05 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-06-2025 05:56 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  

(10-06-2025 03:05 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-06-2025 03:03 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  They just massively trolling now. It's not even amusing at this point.

Typical 20 something mentality that thinks it knows everything there is to know. You don't know jackshit and there's going to come a time when that realization slaps you upside the head so hard your ears will ring for the rest of your life. You lap up what the MSM spoon feeds you not caring that it's made from human feces.

IF you're older than your 20's then you have no hope. Your mind has been wrested from you and will likely never function properly again, assuming it ever did.

Your ignorance will be your undoing if there's any justice at all. I love seeing people brought down by their own stupidity. I know, it's not very Christian of me but I think even God is laughing at you fools.

My personal quote since my kids turned 16,
When I was 16 I knew all the answers. Now I can't even remember the questions I used to have the answers to.

I still remember being in this frame of mind at 17. One day I walked into English class in High School to a poster where this Orangutan had this confused look and was scratching his head. The caption underneath read “Just when I knew all of life’s answers, they changed the questions.”

(10-12-2025 07:20 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  sniveling turd to whom it is addressed.
the sneering face in his own mirror.

the sniveling turd,
I don’t know the sniveling turd personally
cowardly wish of a powerless little man who wants others to suffer.

Triggered. Lolz.

Love you too, pookie. Lolz.

Quote:The rule of law is an essential element of our western society. If we are to stay together as a functioning nation, our legal system needs to operate in a manner that is fair and consistent.

Im always impressed with a defense of dropping the 1st Armored Division inot domestic work in US cities to deal with a bunch of loony protesters and a few acts of violence that have been easliy managed. Its the cherry on top when the person supporting that use of martial might in domestic US at the same time crows about 'The rule of law is an essential element of society.'


Cool --- advocate for a form of martial law at a whim while at the same time supoprting 'the rule of law' in a long emotional soliloquy. The epitome of dumbassery. Lolz. And double lolz.

Quote:You laughed. You mocked. You shut us down.
Called us names. Tried to run us out.
You pushed too hard. Took too much.
Now you're the ones who've lost their touch.

You rigged the game. You changed the rules.
Gaslit the world. Played us for fools.
But tides have turned. The storm is near.
Cry all you want. We're still here.

FAFO
**** around and find out.
You tried to rule but your time ran out.
FAFO
The silent won't stay quiet now.
We're taking back what you burned to the ground.

Censorship. Lockdowns. All your control.
Built your throne on house of gold.
Now you panic. Now you cry.
Tears don't work. Truth don't lie.

The games are done. The mask fell off.
No more lies. We've had enough.
You played with fire. Now taste the flame.
This time. We're naming names.

FAFO
**** around and find out.
You tried to rule but your time ran out.
FAFO
The silent won't stay quiet now.
We're taking back what you burned to the ground.

You called us treats. You called us extreme.
But we remember everything.
From '24 and beyond. Take your bets.
Cause guess what? We ain't done yet.

FAFO
**** around and find out.
Your kingdoms crumbled. Your luck ran out.
FAFO
No more games. No more doubts.
You lit the fire. Now it's burning you down.

As is the case for EVERY totalitarian ruler in a socialist country, he who owns the sheriff owns the people. Heck, you don't have to go far, it even happens in our cities, i.e., see Chicago, LA, Baltimore, etc. The police have their hands tied and are beholden to the mayor's orders...or else. Forget the oath they take, they will only obey the mayor's orders and this was done in a grand scale with Biden the his DOJ.

Biden and a little by Oblunder tried to do just that but the ONLY thing that saved us was we still have a Constitution and the Supreme Court, something that is lacking in a socialist country.

If a police commander who took an oath and refuses to obey an unlawful order and gets fired he should sue the mayor for ordering him to unfill his responsibilities of law and order. This would make mayors think before abusing their power. A lawsuit against low level administrators can leave them broke.

That's why we have the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) in the military so that we can address unlawful orders.

Trump and conservatives are successfully turning around the ridiculous, corrupt and catastrophic policies and actions of the previous, and horrific, administration.

Their toys are being taken away and they can’t handle it, so a liberal temper tantrum is taking place for all to see.
The left is so blind and arrogant that they can’t see the damage they are doing to themselves and their party.

It’s actually good for the country to flush these tyrants out, shining light on their idiocy.

Best thing is, Trump doesn’t care what opposition these liars throw out. He’s gonna plow right through their $hit.

They'll try to kill him again.

(10-12-2025 10:46 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  They'll try to kill him again.

Either that or they'll kill another conservative commentator.

(10-12-2025 07:11 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-12-2025 07:05 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-06-2025 05:56 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  

(10-06-2025 03:05 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-06-2025 03:03 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  They just massively trolling now. It's not even amusing at this point.

Typical 20 something mentality that thinks it knows everything there is to know. You don't know jackshit and there's going to come a time when that realization slaps you upside the head so hard your ears will ring for the rest of your life. You lap up what the MSM spoon feeds you not caring that it's made from human feces.

IF you're older than your 20's then you have no hope. Your mind has been wrested from you and will likely never function properly again, assuming it ever did.

Your ignorance will be your undoing if there's any justice at all. I love seeing people brought down by their own stupidity. I know, it's not very Christian of me but I think even God is laughing at you fools.

My personal quote since my kids turned 16,
When I was 16 I knew all the answers. Now I can't even remember the questions I used to have the answers to.

lol, fair point. Back then I thought I had it all figured out and time was nothing, I had as much of it as I would ever need. Those days seem like yesterday now, and everything that's happened in between then and now took all of about 24 hours.

It goes by so fast.

You're telling me, lol.

"Antifa is only an idea." lol