Quote:BREAKING: Florida Governor Ron DeSantis SLAMS the President of Mexico Claudia Sheinbaum for being owned by the cartels and praises President Trump for taking out narco-traffickers with the US military.

"The president of Mexico is OWNED lock, stock and barrel by the cartels! They're not doing what they need to be doing to be able to prevent and interdict all the fentanyl that's flowing in their country. Now, I do think under President Trump, he's done a lot to stop that."

"I've always been supportive of military being able to go in to defend the country from what is effectively a narco-invasion, and was in very high swing under Joe Biden. It's much better dealt with under Donald Trump."

"This military element, I think, is critical. If you actually want to solve the problem, you've got to be willing to do it, and the president's right, and the American people are going be safer for it!"

(09-03-2025 09:50 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Im always intrigued with the bevy of dumbasses who at one point spray 'cant believe *anything* the government says' --

then pivot on a dime and blindly repeat 'a boatload of cocaine hauling terrorists' when there is no proof beyond what the government has told you.

Bravo for the utterly shallow display of selective hypocrisy there 450. Not that I would ever think you wouldnt do that absolute pivot and switch like an ape following a banana. Nor many of a whole slew of people in this forum.

This is a fair point. While I generally support Trump's policies as it relates to 1) bringing more mfg jobs back to the U.S., 2) making trade more fair for the U.S. and 3) deporting illegal aliens from the U.S. - I also understand that the role of gov't is to try to increase it's power and control.

The War on Drugs spent obscene amounts of money going after supply. The actual root cause of the problem is demand. Always has been, always will be.

(09-04-2025 05:25 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-03-2025 09:50 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Im always intrigued with the bevy of dumbasses who at one point spray 'cant believe *anything* the government says' --

then pivot on a dime and blindly repeat 'a boatload of cocaine hauling terrorists' when there is no proof beyond what the government has told you.

Bravo for the utterly shallow display of selective hypocrisy there 450. Not that I would ever think you wouldnt do that absolute pivot and switch like an ape following a banana. Nor many of a whole slew of people in this forum.

This is a fair point. While I generally support Trump's policies as it relates to 1) bringing more mfg jobs back to the U.S., 2) making trade more fair for the U.S. and 3) deporting illegal aliens from the U.S. - I also understand that the role of gov't is to try to increase it's power and control.

He does the same thing that he is beetching about to us. Yet he calls us monkeys and hypocrites. As he would say, funny that.
Just remember he believed every damn word Jack Smith said. Every damn accusation the ‘government’ made against Trump. He’s just a TDS infected moron who can’t see what a fool it makes of him.

(09-04-2025 05:37 AM)miko33 Wrote:  The War on Drugs spent obscene amounts of money going after supply. The actual root cause of the problem is demand. Always has been, always will be.

Yes. Addiction is an awful state to be in. But addiction is a state that came about because of and depends on supply.

(09-04-2025 05:37 AM)miko33 Wrote:  The War on Drugs spent obscene amounts of money going after supply. The actual root cause of the problem is demand. Always has been, always will be.

Its never been about 100% elimination of drugs and drug use. That is just impossible, just as its impossible to eliminate poverty 100%.

But you CAN curb usage and deaths considerably with the right policy such as going after the suppliers in a much more heavy handed way.

No one starts out looking to become a drug user. You have to be introduced to drugs first, and if you can curb and limit the amount of drugs and the access (not eliminate but curb) then you can cut out a fair amount of regular drug users and bring drug deaths down.

(09-04-2025 05:44 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-04-2025 05:37 AM)miko33 Wrote:  The War on Drugs spent obscene amounts of money going after supply. The actual root cause of the problem is demand. Always has been, always will be.

Yes. Addiction is an awful state to be in. But addiction is a state that came about because of and depends on supply.

Exactly. If done right we can make a sizable dent in the supply and given time that will bring down the number of regular users starting with teens and 20 somethings.

The less young people that get hooked early with them turn into less adults that use.

And I'm talking about hard drugs here.

(09-04-2025 05:44 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-04-2025 05:37 AM)miko33 Wrote:  The War on Drugs spent obscene amounts of money going after supply. The actual root cause of the problem is demand. Always has been, always will be.

Yes. Addiction is an awful state to be in. But addiction is a state that came about because of and depends on supply.

Especially when the supply side of the equation is being driven by state-sponsored action. China WANTS to inflict upon us the reverse of the 19th century opium wars. Mexico are simply cowards afraid to address the cartels within their midst.

I don’t understand most foreign policy questions, and generally steer clear of commenting. But I understand this. America is under attack and has the full right and authority to fight back to whatever extent necessary, short of direct attacks on the innocent citizens on their own soil. Only then would we need the formal declaration of war. (And you really are a dishonest idiot for saying otherwise, tanq.).

Taking out an obvious drug target in international waters, by whatever method us most effective and least dangerous to American lives, is perfectly justifiable action. That tanq. (and others) would argue otherwise goes beyond verbal “swordplay”. It is America-hating behavior.

(09-04-2025 05:37 AM)miko33 Wrote:  The War on Drugs spent obscene amounts of money going after supply. The actual root cause of the problem is demand. Always has been, always will be.

Exactamundo.

(09-03-2025 06:31 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I guess you all didnt notice the mismatch in answers.

REPORTER: “What legal authority were you guys working under?”

VANCE: “These are people—literal TERRORlSTS—who are bringing deadIy drugs into our country... next question.”

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RUBIO (when asked about the ship): "These drugs were probably headed to Trinidad or Tobago".


Lolz. This group of policy experts never seemed to notice that pretty major discrepancy.

It would be fun to go back in this thread and simply repeat the 'repeat the clown car' of everyone saying how this action polices drugs coming into *this country*.

Again --- "These drugs were probably headed to Trinidad or Tobago".

Which makes sense. The boat that was vaporized wasnt one that seems to have an extended range to get it from the seas off Venezuela to these shores.

But the monkeys jumop up and down and say how bravely this action is interdicting drugs to this country. Almost in lockstop.

I guess Little Marco gets a dressing down sometime soon.

I also find it funny that the 5th Circ earlier today knocked over Trump's claim that he invoked the Alien Enemies Act stating that we are war with Venezuela. And literally less than two hours after the 5th Circ. tossed his claim, his navy missile boats and whatever that he literally sent *to* the Venezuelan coast just a few days ago blows a Venezuelan speedboat to kingdom come. Almost like Trump is trying to spark a war with Venezuela to vindicate his asinine claim in the Alien Enemies Act case.

Your stupidity is staggering.

Trinidad is a hub for bigger boats and aircraft to move South American illicit material to the U.S. Especially from Venezuela, because anything coming directly from that country goes through more stringent checks due to extensive sanctions. Good grief, you're an idiot.

(09-04-2025 06:28 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-04-2025 05:37 AM)miko33 Wrote:  The War on Drugs spent obscene amounts of money going after supply. The actual root cause of the problem is demand. Always has been, always will be.

Exactamundo.

this isn't an argument about the whys ... and you won't find one poster that would state city/state/federal governments are doing all they can to combat the demand issue...

now, who's dat strawman, chico?!

(09-04-2025 05:44 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-04-2025 05:37 AM)miko33 Wrote:  The War on Drugs spent obscene amounts of money going after supply. The actual root cause of the problem is demand. Always has been, always will be.

Yes. Addiction is an awful state to be in. But addiction is a state that came about because of and depends on supply.

No one forced any druggie to take any drugs.

Your statement above is the exact cop out that the left takes with guns and mass shootings. They blame the presence of guns solely for the issue.

Again, *you* are a shallow hypocrite.

*You* solely blame the supply of drugs for the drug problem, with zero blame for individual actions.

On the other hand, *you* solely blame the problem of mass shooting on individual actions, with zero regard for the mass supply of guns in the country.

Laughable.

Solely blame individual choice for the issues with regard to the by large supply of guns, and solely exonerate individual choice with regard to the issues regarding the large supply of drugs. Brilliant.

(09-04-2025 06:35 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-04-2025 06:28 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-04-2025 05:37 AM)miko33 Wrote:  The War on Drugs spent obscene amounts of money going after supply. The actual root cause of the problem is demand. Always has been, always will be.

Exactamundo.

this isn't an argument about the whys ... and you won't find one poster that would state city/state/federal governments are doing all they can to combat the demand issue...

now, who's dat strawman, chico?!

This country has an insatiable demand for drugs, stink. Yet some people *only* blame others for supplying them.

Focusing solely and exclusively on the supply side, and blaming solely and exclusively the supply side -- is pretty much intentional blindness.

The national problem is driven by our large and almost insatiable demand for the crap. Yet it seems everyone here simply kneejerks and blames the suppliers. Some more than others.

No strawman there -- miko called out the side that is largely to blame for drug trafficking.

No demand literally means no trafficking. By literal definition. No supply only means higher prices. Basic econ 101. And a massive difference in outcomes.

(09-04-2025 06:28 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-03-2025 06:31 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I guess you all didnt notice the mismatch in answers.

REPORTER: “What legal authority were you guys working under?”

VANCE: “These are people—literal TERRORlSTS—who are bringing deadIy drugs into our country... next question.”

-----

RUBIO (when asked about the ship): "These drugs were probably headed to Trinidad or Tobago".


Lolz. This group of policy experts never seemed to notice that pretty major discrepancy.

It would be fun to go back in this thread and simply repeat the 'repeat the clown car' of everyone saying how this action polices drugs coming into *this country*.

Again --- "These drugs were probably headed to Trinidad or Tobago".

Which makes sense. The boat that was vaporized wasnt one that seems to have an extended range to get it from the seas off Venezuela to these shores.

But the monkeys jumop up and down and say how bravely this action is interdicting drugs to this country. Almost in lockstop.

I guess Little Marco gets a dressing down sometime soon.

I also find it funny that the 5th Circ earlier today knocked over Trump's claim that he invoked the Alien Enemies Act stating that we are war with Venezuela. And literally less than two hours after the 5th Circ. tossed his claim, his navy missile boats and whatever that he literally sent *to* the Venezuelan coast just a few days ago blows a Venezuelan speedboat to kingdom come. Almost like Trump is trying to spark a war with Venezuela to vindicate his asinine claim in the Alien Enemies Act case.

Your stupidity is staggering.

Trinidad is a hub for bigger boats and aircraft to move South American illicit material to the U.S. Especially from Venezuela, because anything coming directly from that country goes through more stringent checks due to extensive sanctions. Good grief, you're an idiot.

Welcome to the Howler Monkey Club!

(09-04-2025 06:28 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(09-03-2025 06:31 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I guess you all didnt notice the mismatch in answers.

REPORTER: “What legal authority were you guys working under?”

VANCE: “These are people—literal TERRORlSTS—who are bringing deadIy drugs into our country... next question.”

-----

RUBIO (when asked about the ship): "These drugs were probably headed to Trinidad or Tobago".


Lolz. This group of policy experts never seemed to notice that pretty major discrepancy.

It would be fun to go back in this thread and simply repeat the 'repeat the clown car' of everyone saying how this action polices drugs coming into *this country*.

Again --- "These drugs were probably headed to Trinidad or Tobago".

Which makes sense. The boat that was vaporized wasnt one that seems to have an extended range to get it from the seas off Venezuela to these shores.

But the monkeys jumop up and down and say how bravely this action is interdicting drugs to this country. Almost in lockstop.

I guess Little Marco gets a dressing down sometime soon.

I also find it funny that the 5th Circ earlier today knocked over Trump's claim that he invoked the Alien Enemies Act stating that we are war with Venezuela. And literally less than two hours after the 5th Circ. tossed his claim, his navy missile boats and whatever that he literally sent *to* the Venezuelan coast just a few days ago blows a Venezuelan speedboat to kingdom come. Almost like Trump is trying to spark a war with Venezuela to vindicate his asinine claim in the Alien Enemies Act case.

Your stupidity is staggering.

Talk to your boy Rubio then, champ.

Quote:Trinidad is a hub for bigger boats and aircraft to move South American illicit material to the U.S. Especially from Venezuela, because anything coming directly from that country goes through more stringent checks due to extensive sanctions. Good grief, you're an idiot.

I guess you will direct blowing up any boat heading for Trinidad then. Should provide you with some good footage to get your quasi military fetishes going.

Much more satisfying than actual LE work. Lol.

(09-03-2025 07:36 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-03-2025 07:29 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-03-2025 09:02 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-03-2025 08:38 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(09-03-2025 08:31 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  They aren't Americans, and in fact are killing Americans, and thus have no due process.

You’d think this simple fact wouldnt need to be explained, but then again, the Dems arent the brightest bulbs. When will a radical leftist judge declare this strike unconstitutional and say we are no longer allowed to do them?

So just blow up anyone there. Without regard. Cool cool.

Nice inclusion of the 'radical leftist judge' fallback de jure. Lol.

Do you think that we just randomly picked that boat with those people aboard and blew them up for no reason? That's the only explanation for defending them. If a boat full of armed men from anywhere was known to be headed to America with a lethal cargo would you be concerned for their welfare also or would it be OK to blow them up, eliminating the threat once and for all?

all those packages (visible in the vid) in 'saranwrap' were food supplies headed to Tobago ... c'mon mayun ...

ya did have to appreciate the investment in the quad 150hps moving that 'traffic', eh?! ... lmmfao

Don't remind me of that place, I was there back in the late 80's and starved to death because they use peanut oil to cook everything in. Dude I was with from there took me to a Kentucky Fried chicken and I was like hell yeah! But then I starting eating that peanut oil greased yard bird and couldn't stand it.

I couldn't wait to get home from that trip. I spent three weeks traveling to Caracas VZ, Trinidad Tobago, and San Juan, PR.

(09-04-2025 05:42 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-04-2025 05:25 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-03-2025 09:50 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Im always intrigued with the bevy of dumbasses who at one point spray 'cant believe *anything* the government says' --

then pivot on a dime and blindly repeat 'a boatload of cocaine hauling terrorists' when there is no proof beyond what the government has told you.

Bravo for the utterly shallow display of selective hypocrisy there 450. Not that I would ever think you wouldnt do that absolute pivot and switch like an ape following a banana. Nor many of a whole slew of people in this forum.

This is a fair point. While I generally support Trump's policies as it relates to 1) bringing more mfg jobs back to the U.S., 2) making trade more fair for the U.S. and 3) deporting illegal aliens from the U.S. - I also understand that the role of gov't is to try to increase it's power and control.

He does the same thing that he is beetching about to us. Yet he calls us monkeys and hypocrites. As he would say, funny that.
Just remember he believed every damn word Jack Smith said. Every damn accusation the ‘government’ made against Trump. He’s just a TDS infected moron who can’t see what a fool it makes of him.

Of course - we all have blind spots depending on our biases. From a pure debate POV - is what tanq stated true? I think it is and it's a fair point. Even a drug addict can tell you that abusing drugs is a horrible decision and you shouldn't imbibe. Yes that would be hypocritical...but the addict wouldn't be wrong either.