(08-23-2025 03:43 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Its ok for us to disagree. We are not lockstep prog filth.

Having said that frick ukraine, russia, the globohomos and the armchair warriors

(08-23-2025 03:43 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Its ok for us to disagree. We are not lockstep prog filth.

Having said that frick ukraine, russia, the globohomos and the armchair warriors

Yes! To heck with them. Focus on us. (And no, that's not an isolationist position because we will continue to do what we need to in order to maintain our America First position.)

To be clear---the so called "armchair warriors" here have never supported anything beyond sending or selling the Ukrainians the weapons they need to DEFEND THEMSELVES. A reasonable position considering the United States (as did Russia and the UK) promised the Ukrainians in writing we'd be supportive should they be invaded in exchange for giving up their nukes back in the early 1990's. I think everyone here is smart enough to realize Ukraine would not have ever been invaded if they still possessed a nuclear arsenal almost as large as Russia (which was the case back in 1991). The Ukrainians upheld their end of the bargain and destroyed their entire arsenal---including their strategic bombers. I think its reasonable for us to uphold ours. Selling them the weapons they need to defend themselves seems like the bare minimum we should be responsible for given the agreement we signed.

Nobody Im aware of here has ever advocated sending one single US solider into Ukraine.

For whatever it's worth, I fully agree with WSME and Attackcoog on this issue. I've read many of their posts regarding this topic and they distill in perfectly (IMO).

I appreciate and respect the passion and knowledge of those two gentlemen regarding this topic.

(08-23-2025 06:05 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  For whatever it's worth, I fully agree with WSME and Attackcoog on this issue. I've read many of their posts regarding this topic and they distill in perfectly (IMO).

I appreciate and respect the passion and knowledge of those two gentlemen regarding this topic.

More proof they are wrong

(08-23-2025 06:05 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  For whatever it's worth, I fully agree with WSME and Attackcoog on this issue. I've read many of their posts regarding this topic and they distill in perfectly (IMO).

I appreciate and respect the passion and knowledge of those two gentlemen regarding this topic.

Never agree with WSME. He will take advantage of any such weakness.

(08-23-2025 05:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  To be clear---the so called "armchair warriors" here have never supported anything beyond sending or selling the Ukrainians the weapons they need to DEFEND THEMSELVES. A reasonable position considering the United States (as did Russia and the UK) promised the Ukrainians in writing we'd be supportive should they be invaded in exchange for giving up their nukes back in the early 1990's. I think everyone here is smart enough to realize Ukraine would not have ever been invaded if they still possessed a nuclear arsenal almost as large as Russia (which was the case back in 1991). The Ukrainians upheld their end of the bargain and destroyed their entire arsenal---including their strategic bombers. I think its reasonable for us to uphold ours. Selling them the weapons they need to defend themselves seems like the bare minimum we should be responsible for given the agreement we signed.

Nobody Im aware of here has ever advocated sending one single US solider into Ukraine.

I'd be willing to donate to your airfare to Ukraine so you can personally defend them. Just tell me where to send it.

(08-23-2025 06:31 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(08-23-2025 05:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  To be clear---the so called "armchair warriors" here have never supported anything beyond sending or selling the Ukrainians the weapons they need to DEFEND THEMSELVES. A reasonable position considering the United States (as did Russia and the UK) promised the Ukrainians in writing we'd be supportive should they be invaded in exchange for giving up their nukes back in the early 1990's. I think everyone here is smart enough to realize Ukraine would not have ever been invaded if they still possessed a nuclear arsenal almost as large as Russia (which was the case back in 1991). The Ukrainians upheld their end of the bargain and destroyed their entire arsenal---including their strategic bombers. I think its reasonable for us to uphold ours. Selling them the weapons they need to defend themselves seems like the bare minimum we should be responsible for given the agreement we signed.

Nobody Im aware of here has ever advocated sending one single US solider into Ukraine.

I'd be willing to donate to your airfare to Ukraine so you can personally defend them. Just tell me where to send it.

lol---Seems like a good time to try a little role play. Lets pretend like your Ukraine and Im the US. You fulfill your end of the bargain first. You send me the air fair money in full, and when its safely in my bank account----I'll explain to you how my new "Attackcoog First" philosophy works.

lol

Fair enough.

(08-23-2025 05:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  To be clear---the so called "armchair warriors" here have never supported anything beyond sending or selling the Ukrainians the weapons they need to DEFEND THEMSELVES. A reasonable position considering the United States (as did Russia and the UK) promised the Ukrainians in writing we'd be supportive should they be invaded in exchange for giving up their nukes back in the early 1990's. I think everyone here is smart enough to realize Ukraine would not have ever been invaded if they still possessed a nuclear arsenal almost as large as Russia (which was the case back in 1991). The Ukrainians upheld their end of the bargain and destroyed their entire arsenal---including their strategic bombers. I think its reasonable for us to uphold ours. Selling them the weapons they need to defend themselves seems like the bare minimum we should be responsible for given the agreement we signed.

Nobody Im aware of here has ever advocated sending one single US solider into Ukraine.

Absolutely. Most hate here is for Ukraine. I believe just because of the Russia Russia Russia crap. There is zero evidence of Zelensky having anything to do with it but many including Trump hold a deep grudge against the people of Ukraine because of it. And yes there was widespread corruption in Ukraine. Hardly surprising when you have Russians, American politicians and mafioso in one place without a strong government. But those fighting the Russians with all they have are the real Ukrainians. And I believe they deserve whatever kind of help we can give them. For as long as they choose to fight and die.

As for corruption during the Bribem administration, there should be an investigation to find out the truth as best as possible. I know Zelinsky has said that a lot of the promised equipment and money never got to them. Interestingly, even though Ukraine had the fleet to transport the equipment they were told by the Bribem administration that they were not going to be allowed to do it. And of course a contract was made with civilian contractors to carry the promised supplies. Probably graft by the bucket loads by the Bribem administration that Ukraine has been accused of.

(08-23-2025 06:10 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-23-2025 06:05 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  For whatever it's worth, I fully agree with WSME and Attackcoog on this issue. I've read many of their posts regarding this topic and they distill in perfectly (IMO).

I appreciate and respect the passion and knowledge of those two gentlemen regarding this topic.

More proof they are wrong

I would rather you prove we are wrong. And no, frik Ukraine doesn’t quite do it.

You do understand that the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference? I don’t hate Russia or Ukraine. You confuse your own feelings with that of others.

(08-23-2025 09:55 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You do understand that the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference? I don’t hate Russia or Ukraine. You confuse your own feelings with that of others.

Ditto.

(08-23-2025 06:30 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(08-23-2025 06:05 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  For whatever it's worth, I fully agree with WSME and Attackcoog on this issue. I've read many of their posts regarding this topic and they distill in perfectly (IMO).

I appreciate and respect the passion and knowledge of those two gentlemen regarding this topic.

Never agree with WSME. He will take advantage of any such weakness.

Advice duly noted.

Mr. Dazzle is starting to like this place I think.

(08-24-2025 08:42 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Mr. Dazzle is starting to like this place I think.

I have had some online interaction with him over the years. Seems to be a solid dude. Glad he is here.

It's fun to debate politics with someone who disagrees with you, without either of us resorting to using a flamethrower, lol.

(08-23-2025 09:05 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-23-2025 06:10 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-23-2025 06:05 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  For whatever it's worth, I fully agree with WSME and Attackcoog on this issue. I've read many of their posts regarding this topic and they distill in perfectly (IMO).

I appreciate and respect the passion and knowledge of those two gentlemen regarding this topic.

More proof they are wrong

I would rather you prove we are wrong. And no, frik Ukraine doesn’t quite do it.

Im not wrong.

Ever

(08-24-2025 12:04 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-24-2025 08:42 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Mr. Dazzle is starting to like this place I think.

I have had some online interaction with him over the years. Seems to be a solid dude. Glad he is here.

It's fun to debate politics with someone who disagrees with you, without either of us resorting to using a flamethrower, lol.

I'm enjoying it too, T-A. You, BTigerFan, G-Coog, A-Coog, A-Bible and many other posters on the right are treating me fairly. And I appreciate that.

In my time here, I've discovered that pleasing everyone is impossible, but ticking everyone off is a piece of cake.

(08-25-2025 07:25 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  In my time here, I've discovered that pleasing everyone is impossible, but ticking everyone off is a piece of cake.