(06-25-2025 09:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I heard a retired general explain all of it last night. Hertling I believe. He said the first report on such matters is almost always wrong.

He wrote this about the situation today. He stresses that the NY Times, CNN, and the Trump administration were all wrong to say anything definitively at this point as it is too early. He reiterates that the first report is always wrong. While I know Hertling leans left, I think this is a fair article about the situation.

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/first-repor...assessment

Quote:EARLY IN MY CAREER, AS A YOUNG LIEUTENANT, I made a mistake that still haunts me. After a high-tempo mission, I rushed to assess the outcome and tell my boss about what I believed was our overwhelming success. Without full intelligence. Without all the details. Without confirmation from those carrying out the mission. I let adrenaline and optimism get ahead of the facts. I won’t go into the details, but I still carry the scar tissue from that experience, where I was both wrong and embarrassed when I had to correct the record. Since then, I’ve carried the lesson that all good military commanders understand: First reports are always wrong.

(06-25-2025 11:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-25-2025 10:43 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-25-2025 10:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Manufactured "outrage" by idiots. This was very good as Iran came to the table and needed an off ramp.

They called Trump, here is the basics of what was said:

Iran: We want an off ramp, but we need to save face with the people of Iran.

Trump: What are you thinking?"

Iran: How about we hit this base that we know you have no planes at right now?

Trump: Ok, what time are you thinking?

Iran: 1AM.

Trump: Ok, we'll let Qatar know, we'll blow up the missiles on the way, and we'll make sure nobody is nearby to get hurt.

Then Trump let's Hegseth and Qatar know. They shoot the missiles down, nobody is hurt, and Iran is given its off ramp.

Baron isn't an "idiot."

He's not an idiot, he's a partisan hack.

I'll take the word of people who watched the whole thing unfold over some armchair quarterback. It's not my fault the people you choose to trust suck. You should do something about that.

And my mom did seek help for me when I was a kid. See, she had me tested, and they determined that I wasn't crazy.

Your insult game sucks. Do better.

Next phase is to sanction into oblivion and globally isolate anyone that provides plutonium or uranium to Iran.

(06-25-2025 12:48 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Next phase is to sanction into oblivion and globally isolate anyone that provides plutonium or uranium to Iran.

We're going to sanction Hilary?

(06-25-2025 12:50 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(06-25-2025 12:48 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Next phase is to sanction into oblivion and globally isolate anyone that provides plutonium or uranium to Iran.

We're going to sanction Hilary?

but muh uranium one!!!!

Tulsi with the TomTakedown......

It never gets old seeing Bloated Tom and the boys get all excited about a CNN, MSNBC, NYT story only to see it fall apart within days, sometimes hours.

I mean, that's some high quality entertainment. And, it's free!

(06-25-2025 10:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Imagine being retarded enough to take this at face value.

(06-25-2025 01:17 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Tulsi with the TomTakedown......

Some of these idiots could touch the rubble with their own hands and wouldn't believe it because of their TDS.

(06-25-2025 01:32 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(06-25-2025 10:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Imagine being retarded enough to take this at face value.

Kevin Bacon is such great, unbiased source.

(06-25-2025 01:32 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(06-25-2025 10:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Imagine being retarded enough to take this at face value.

Sounds like a joint exercise to me. So, the US and Iran are now allies? Amazing what happens when you punch a bully in the mouth.

(06-25-2025 01:21 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  It never gets old seeing Bloated Tom and the boys get all excited about a CNN, MSNBC, NYT story only to see it fall apart within days, sometimes hours.

I mean, that's some high quality entertainment. And, it's free!

I do not fault skepticism until sufficient data confirms the success of the mission. It is the cheerleading for failure causing me dismay. The Dem’s hatred of Trump and his voters is so intense that it consumes every thought including praising the outstanding dedication, courage, and skills of our armed forces.

(06-25-2025 12:04 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-25-2025 11:59 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-25-2025 11:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Baron isn't an "idiot."

He is on this. I don't know him from anyone else, but he just seems to be yelling because it was Trump.

At The Hague presser today, Trump and Hegseth both pushed back on Baron's post (not specifically, but the report in general), saying again that the sites were "obliterated."

Somehow, I'm thinking they know better than the anonymous sources.

You're mixing stories, pops. Baron was only talking about trumps comment that he told Iran to go ahead and bomb our airbase in Qatar.

The stuff on the bombing in Iran was leaked from the Pentagon, which drunk Pete supposedly runs.

(06-25-2025 01:33 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(06-25-2025 01:17 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Tulsi with the TomTakedown......

Some of these idiots could touch the rubble with their own hands and wouldn't believe it because of their TDS.

The same Tulsi who recently said that Iran was not close to a bomb.
The same Tulsi who trump just said was wrong.
The same Tulsi who now sides with trump.

You see how this looks, right?

It makes more sense than believing Trump gave Iran permission to strike a US base.

(06-25-2025 01:21 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  It never gets old seeing Bloated Tom and the boys get all excited about a CNN, MSNBC, NYT story only to see it fall apart within days, sometimes hours.

I mean, that's some high quality entertainment. And, it's free!

It’s simply amazing. They never learn. They just grab that first “hot take” and run with it.

And yes, the laptop was real.

(06-25-2025 01:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-25-2025 12:04 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-25-2025 11:59 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-25-2025 11:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Baron isn't an "idiot."

He is on this. I don't know him from anyone else, but he just seems to be yelling because it was Trump.

At The Hague presser today, Trump and Hegseth both pushed back on Baron's post (not specifically, but the report in general), saying again that the sites were "obliterated."

Somehow, I'm thinking they know better than the anonymous sources.

You're mixing stories, pops. Baron was only talking about trumps comment that he told Iran to go ahead and bomb our airbase in Qatar.

The stuff on the bombing in Iran was leaked from the Pentagon, which drunk Pete supposedly runs.

Yes, I commented on both and mentioned Baron in the wrong post. Same points, though.

The air base had been evacuated. It didn't matter.

The leak about minor damage from the bombing turned out to be wrong. Now confirmed by Israeli intel, and even by an Iranian gov spokesperson, who said their nuclear facilities were "badly damaged."

Latest reports now say Iran's nuclear program has been set back "many years."

(06-25-2025 01:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-25-2025 01:33 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(06-25-2025 01:17 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Tulsi with the TomTakedown......

Some of these idiots could touch the rubble with their own hands and wouldn't believe it because of their TDS.

The same Tulsi who recently said that Iran was not close to a bomb.
The same Tulsi who trump just said was wrong.
The same Tulsi who now sides with trump.

You see how this looks, right?

Yes. Two individuals having a disagreement. Then one person is proven wrong and all is well.

bwahahahaha some people are big mad that Trump immediately said (correctly) that the sites were obliterated, because it stepped on their fake leak about the sites not being damaged that badly.

womp womp

next time you gotta be faster with your fake news....

(06-25-2025 02:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-25-2025 01:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-25-2025 12:04 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-25-2025 11:59 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-25-2025 11:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Baron isn't an "idiot."

He is on this. I don't know him from anyone else, but he just seems to be yelling because it was Trump.

At The Hague presser today, Trump and Hegseth both pushed back on Baron's post (not specifically, but the report in general), saying again that the sites were "obliterated."

Somehow, I'm thinking they know better than the anonymous sources.

You're mixing stories, pops. Baron was only talking about trumps comment that he told Iran to go ahead and bomb our airbase in Qatar.

The stuff on the bombing in Iran was leaked from the Pentagon, which drunk Pete supposedly runs.

Yes, I commented on both and mentioned Baron in the wrong post. Same points, though.

The air base had been evacuated. It didn't matter.

The leak about minor damage from the bombing turned out to be wrong. Now confirmed by Israeli intel, and even by an Iranian gov spokesperson, who said their nuclear facilities were "badly damaged."

Latest reports now say Iran's nuclear program has been set back "many years."

But...but...ORANGE MAN BAD! REEEEEE! /sarcasm

You'd think Tom and people like him would learn by now. Oh, well. It's always fun seeing their talking points get torn to shreds.

450bench: Yep. Also, Tulsi was in the Situation Room. Tom's trusted sources weren't. So again, I'll take the word of someone who actually watched it unfold in real time (in this case, her) over any armchair quarterback any day of the week and twice on Sunday.