Good grief. I almost went blind just scrolling past all that.

(06-20-2025 05:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-20-2025 04:21 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(06-20-2025 03:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-20-2025 01:54 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(06-20-2025 01:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I figured out long ago that the only reason Tanq stays here and endures the amount of criticism he takes, is that he doesn't give a damn about anybody else's opinion except his own.

A normal person, when confronted with criticism at his level, would either attempt to do something to correct the interaction, or just leave the forum. But no, not Tanq. It takes a "special person" to react that way.

In fairness, I kinda don't care about anyone else's opinion either. But you are correct, you can disagree and not be a complete douche-nozzle. It also would be nice if he weren't completely duplicitous. For example, Tom, Elvis, Mensa, & Horseboy are just kinda dumb. But, at least you are getting their honest feelings/opinions. With Tanq, it's deceit wrapped in this notion that he just loves the "truth".

Facts are a good thing. Blind subservience to thin rhetoric not so much.

In this case, all that you all have presented is thin rhetoric to try and defend the position of “no person” doesn’t mean “no person”.

Hate to say it but affording due process of even a minimal level is part of the fabric of our society. No one here has presented any convincing rationale for ditching it.

The Trump side is correct that Bidens immigration policies were a stinking mess. The solution of that of simply stop due process in the rush to fix that is horribly stupid. I’m a big fundamental rights guy. It will be harder to fix the issue by denying due process, but that is a massively steep price to pay.

I’m onboard with potential solutions that address the Biden immigration result that don’t **** on due process. Less efficient? Yes. As efficient than just removing due process? Nope. But far cheaper overall.

Feel free to put out non-rhetorical stuff as a counter.

Hey! Lookie there...an almost genuine post (other than the first two sentences).

If Biden and previous leaders hadn't put us in such a shiteshow of a situation, I'd be more inclined to lean toward your notions of traditional due process. But, with anywhere from 30-40 million illegals in this nation, including MANY criminals, these times call for extreme measures. Throw on top of that 36 trillion in debt and it's difficult to jump on board with you.

I'm not a law expert, so I can't give you a full-throated legal retort. I just think that Trump should be given some latitude due to the fact that Biden, Obama, and others have put this nation behind the 8-ball, bigly.

Last numbers I saw were 18-19 million.

During Obama's Presidency, EVERY media outlet and "expert" put the number at 12-15 million. We heard that number, daily. That was 10-20 years ago. The real number today is at least 30 million, at the absolute least.

(06-23-2025 01:43 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Good grief. I almost went blind just scrolling past all that.

Apologies for violating your above 'graphic comic book' level sensitivities.

(06-23-2025 01:47 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(06-20-2025 05:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-20-2025 04:21 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(06-20-2025 03:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-20-2025 01:54 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  In fairness, I kinda don't care about anyone else's opinion either. But you are correct, you can disagree and not be a complete douche-nozzle. It also would be nice if he weren't completely duplicitous. For example, Tom, Elvis, Mensa, & Horseboy are just kinda dumb. But, at least you are getting their honest feelings/opinions. With Tanq, it's deceit wrapped in this notion that he just loves the "truth".

Facts are a good thing. Blind subservience to thin rhetoric not so much.

In this case, all that you all have presented is thin rhetoric to try and defend the position of “no person” doesn’t mean “no person”.

Hate to say it but affording due process of even a minimal level is part of the fabric of our society. No one here has presented any convincing rationale for ditching it.

The Trump side is correct that Bidens immigration policies were a stinking mess. The solution of that of simply stop due process in the rush to fix that is horribly stupid. I’m a big fundamental rights guy. It will be harder to fix the issue by denying due process, but that is a massively steep price to pay.

I’m onboard with potential solutions that address the Biden immigration result that don’t **** on due process. Less efficient? Yes. As efficient than just removing due process? Nope. But far cheaper overall.

Feel free to put out non-rhetorical stuff as a counter.

Hey! Lookie there...an almost genuine post (other than the first two sentences).

If Biden and previous leaders hadn't put us in such a shiteshow of a situation, I'd be more inclined to lean toward your notions of traditional due process. But, with anywhere from 30-40 million illegals in this nation, including MANY criminals, these times call for extreme measures. Throw on top of that 36 trillion in debt and it's difficult to jump on board with you.

I'm not a law expert, so I can't give you a full-throated legal retort. I just think that Trump should be given some latitude due to the fact that Biden, Obama, and others have put this nation behind the 8-ball, bigly.

Last numbers I saw were 18-19 million.

During Obama's Presidency, EVERY media outlet and "expert" put the number at 12-15 million. We heard that number, daily. That was 10-20 years ago. The real number today is at least 30 million, at the absolute least.

Fox has cited the FAIR numbers extensively.

The FAIR estimates are here: https://www.fairus.org/news/misc/new-fai...-6-million

But to be fair, 18 - 19 million is still even then a decent proportion of the population.

Funny Tom nor tanq are here on the weekends. Perhaps they're dating?

(06-23-2025 01:43 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Good grief. I almost went blind just scrolling past all that.

Finger and thumb cramps ensued.

Need to find a dictation OFF switch.

In other news, Good News!

Casa de La Sudan is now open for our intrepid wife beating traveling friends.

(06-23-2025 06:15 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-23-2025 01:43 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Good grief. I almost went blind just scrolling past all that.

Finger and thumb cramps ensued.

Need to find a dictation OFF switch.

In other news, Good News!

Casa de La Sudan is now open for our intrepid wife beating traveling friends.

That's what the federal judge said years ago in 2019. 1) Garcia must leave he was issued a deportation order and 2) He was exempted from be forced back to El Salvador because muh gangs lol.

So it seems this SCOTUS ruling is just perfect for Garcia. Deport him to Sudan!

Kilmar is fricked


Reeeeeeeee

(06-23-2025 01:38 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-21-2025 08:18 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Tanq that most certainly is not the point most on the left are making. In fact they are trying to make it appear as if people are being randomly picked up off the street and then immediately sent to a concentration camp.

TIBL, hate to tell you but your rhetoric bolded above kind of detracts heavily from the accurate italicized above it.

It doesnt help the image with the videos of people videoing the encounters being assaulted by masked dudes, NYC controllers being arrested for the temerity of demanding to see a warrant, or the arrest and forcible detainer of a US senator.

Your organization is coming across as masked thugs in that manner.

Further, the issue that was emphasized during the election was 'get rid of the baddies.' Now we have rapidly come to the focus being mass round ups at Home Depots. Last I saw the gang bangers, rapists, and murders dont do day labor out of Home Depot.

Quote:There’s literally dozens of talking heads and even politicians repeating these lies. And then the blue haired white women stand in streets trying to block LE operations as others loot and riot. That’s literally whats happening right now.

Please corroborate. I dont buy in to the broad statements above.

Quote:As for the AEA, the primary reason for the very limited use of AEA for TdA is primarily so they can’t make a bull**** asylum claim and string out the process for another two or three years.

And opens ICE, the DOJ, and Trump to the truthful charge of being proponents of rendition. A pretty lousy thing overall.

Quote:Which otherwise keeps designated terrorists with the support of a foreign enemy and dictator on US soil longer to undermine our sovereignty and national security.

There is a great gulf between the legal aspect of removing someone under a terrorist designation and just deciding to short circuit and rendition them. Rendition with no due process.

Just as there is a massive gulf between 'declared war', 'invasion', and 'predatory incursion' and naming a few select gangbangers as such.

And no, the supposed 'support' of that foreign nation simply hasnt been shown as such in any filings -- that is where it is important. ICE, DOJ, and the Trump administration can yelp all they want about 'facts' such as above in public. In this instance, they have to limit their public statement 'facts' above to items that can be proven up in front of judge. An issue that I see the Trump administration failing time after time after time -- the difference between the statements that they make when they can be sanctioned by a judge, and those they simply make.

It used to be that the DOJ, and ICE through it, enjoyed such a 'presumption of regularity' -- now, they dont. So no, I dont take your unfounded rhetoric at the face value you put it out as.

its clear in the Boasberg court, and the Xinis court, that ICE, through the DOJ, has lied to their judicial opposition, lied to the judges there, and literally ignored court orders.

Quote:What’s happening in LA, Portland, Chicago, etc is a perfect example of how these unlawful actions are manipulated to destroy national unity and by extension our sovereignty. These same people are now protesting on behalf of Iran which tells you all you need to know.

Maybe -- Do. It. The. Right. Way.

Instead of the posting chock full of loaded, perhaps untrue rhetoric.

At the very best, all of what you say about 'the support of a foreign enemy and dictator' 'to undermine our sovereignty and national security' simply comes across as a wild thrashing, given the absolute refusal to deal in an honest manner in the judicial system at the present. At worst it comes across as a bad and extralegal excuse to grab massive enforcement powers -- so vast they only come into being when there is an actual war on.

In closing, please dont take my comments on the policy as comments on you personally. Your organization is performing some bad things, which could be excused. But the wall of them tends to paint your organization as the poster boy for overextension of legal authority.

As such, maybe not threaten to arrest mere bystanders for videoing the take downs. In the one today, maybe tell the masked duded to NOT beat a guy pinned to the ground with of forearms to the head. Maybe tell the arresting officers to not elevate a 'mere touch' to an assault (once on the Congresswoman, once on the NYC controller.) Maybe dont go ape **** when someone is demanding to see a warrant. Maybe dont take a US Senator to the floor in front of cameras. None of those help with the look that is coming to focus.

Quick google search would help you out there to demonstrate how many different liberal politicians have used that exact phrase and then repeated by morons on the streets. Moreover, a politicians doesn’t have the grounds or the law on his or her side to interfere with a law enforcement operation and demand a warrant. They literally have no grounds. It’s actually a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1503 (influencing or injuring an officer or juror) and/or 18 U.S.C. § 1510 (obstruction of criminal investigations). There are actually more but for the sake of brevity that’s probably enough. Getting in between federal agents and a detainee is dangerous and unlawful. Those politicians, Tanq, need to “do it the right way.”

I’m not doing the TdA argument again. I’ve already thoroughly thumped you on that one (just like I did the national guard in California cases that Newsom lost to the most liberal district in America) and even told you exactly how that was going to be resolved. That horse is beaten enough.

TIBL just owns tanq.

Sudan is lovely this time of year.

(06-23-2025 07:26 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  TIBL just owns tanq.

Yep. TIBL is undefeated. Consensus opinion minus Tanq, lol.

(06-23-2025 07:28 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Sudan is lovely this time of year.

Maybe Tanq can fly there and defend them. I hear the Sudan Hilton makes for a nice HQs operation for transient lawyers.

so what's going on with Abrego?

(06-23-2025 07:03 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-23-2025 01:38 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-21-2025 08:18 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Tanq that most certainly is not the point most on the left are making. In fact they are trying to make it appear as if people are being randomly picked up off the street and then immediately sent to a concentration camp.

TIBL, hate to tell you but your rhetoric bolded above kind of detracts heavily from the accurate italicized above it.

It doesnt help the image with the videos of people videoing the encounters being assaulted by masked dudes, NYC controllers being arrested for the temerity of demanding to see a warrant, or the arrest and forcible detainer of a US senator.

Your organization is coming across as masked thugs in that manner.

Further, the issue that was emphasized during the election was 'get rid of the baddies.' Now we have rapidly come to the focus being mass round ups at Home Depots. Last I saw the gang bangers, rapists, and murders dont do day labor out of Home Depot.

Quote:There’s literally dozens of talking heads and even politicians repeating these lies. And then the blue haired white women stand in streets trying to block LE operations as others loot and riot. That’s literally whats happening right now.

Please corroborate. I dont buy in to the broad statements above.

Quote:As for the AEA, the primary reason for the very limited use of AEA for TdA is primarily so they can’t make a bull**** asylum claim and string out the process for another two or three years.

And opens ICE, the DOJ, and Trump to the truthful charge of being proponents of rendition. A pretty lousy thing overall.

Quote:Which otherwise keeps designated terrorists with the support of a foreign enemy and dictator on US soil longer to undermine our sovereignty and national security.

There is a great gulf between the legal aspect of removing someone under a terrorist designation and just deciding to short circuit and rendition them. Rendition with no due process.

Just as there is a massive gulf between 'declared war', 'invasion', and 'predatory incursion' and naming a few select gangbangers as such.

And no, the supposed 'support' of that foreign nation simply hasnt been shown as such in any filings -- that is where it is important. ICE, DOJ, and the Trump administration can yelp all they want about 'facts' such as above in public. In this instance, they have to limit their public statement 'facts' above to items that can be proven up in front of judge. An issue that I see the Trump administration failing time after time after time -- the difference between the statements that they make when they can be sanctioned by a judge, and those they simply make.

It used to be that the DOJ, and ICE through it, enjoyed such a 'presumption of regularity' -- now, they dont. So no, I dont take your unfounded rhetoric at the face value you put it out as.

its clear in the Boasberg court, and the Xinis court, that ICE, through the DOJ, has lied to their judicial opposition, lied to the judges there, and literally ignored court orders.

Quote:What’s happening in LA, Portland, Chicago, etc is a perfect example of how these unlawful actions are manipulated to destroy national unity and by extension our sovereignty. These same people are now protesting on behalf of Iran which tells you all you need to know.

Maybe -- Do. It. The. Right. Way.

Instead of the posting chock full of loaded, perhaps untrue rhetoric.

At the very best, all of what you say about 'the support of a foreign enemy and dictator' 'to undermine our sovereignty and national security' simply comes across as a wild thrashing, given the absolute refusal to deal in an honest manner in the judicial system at the present. At worst it comes across as a bad and extralegal excuse to grab massive enforcement powers -- so vast they only come into being when there is an actual war on.

In closing, please dont take my comments on the policy as comments on you personally. Your organization is performing some bad things, which could be excused. But the wall of them tends to paint your organization as the poster boy for overextension of legal authority.

As such, maybe not threaten to arrest mere bystanders for videoing the take downs. In the one today, maybe tell the masked duded to NOT beat a guy pinned to the ground with of forearms to the head. Maybe tell the arresting officers to not elevate a 'mere touch' to an assault (once on the Congresswoman, once on the NYC controller.) Maybe dont go ape **** when someone is demanding to see a warrant. Maybe dont take a US Senator to the floor in front of cameras. None of those help with the look that is coming to focus.

Quick google search would help you out there to demonstrate how many different liberal politicians have used that exact phrase and then repeated by morons on the streets. Moreover, a politicians doesn’t have the grounds or the law on his or her side to interfere with a law enforcement operation and demand a warrant. They literally have no grounds. It’s actually a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1503 (influencing or injuring an officer or juror) and/or 18 U.S.C. § 1510 (obstruction of criminal investigations). There are actually more but for the sake of brevity that’s probably enough. Getting in between federal agents and a detainee is dangerous and unlawful. Those politicians, Tanq, need to “do it the right way.”

Asking for a warrant is obstruction? Videoing a takedown is ‘influencin’ under 1503 or obstruction under 1510? Lolz.

I suggest you look at the pattern jury charges on those and compare them to the facts on our screens. Just saying. Double lolz.

What law did you do your takedown of Senator Padilla under?

Quote:I’m not doing the TdA argument again. I’ve already thoroughly thumped you on that one

Not the way SCOTUS saw it. Nor most District Courts. Triple lolz.

Quote:(just like I did the national guard in California cases that Newsom lost to the most liberal district in America) and even told you exactly how that was going to be resolved. That horse is beaten enough.

I liked the language in the 9th circuit that noted ‘unable to enforce the law’ did not mean ‘inconvenience’ and had to mean a situation comparable to ‘invasion’ or ‘rebellion’.

I guess you think torching Waymos and blocking *a* center is the equivalent of those two events. Lolz.

The issue is this administration trying to stretch existential and wartime powers to this. They did it with AEA, and now when DHS lied through their teeth to the judges, they backed down.

The same stupid attempt to bootstrap *some* impedance with enforcing the law into the predicate of 12406 c is right down that alley.

And right down the alley of assaulting people taking videos, and arresting and threatening people asking for warrants.

You all are not presenting a good picture with that. If you want to come off as short triggered jackasses who arrest people for being in a crowd and asking for warrants, who forcibly take down a US senator for asking a question, who punch and jostle with people for exercising 1st amendment right for videoing activities on th streets, then clam up and down that the most extreme war powers are available for domestic use because some ragmuffin gang has tenuous ties to a foreign dictator, and that is directly equivalent or has the same import as being in declared war with a foreign govt —- it looks like a bunch of power hungry jackases getting into legal overreach.

By the way, impressed with the 22 year old landscaper and intern that is the head of one of the DHS domestic terrorism oversight functions. DHS must have searched for th fresh college graduate long and hard….. lolz.

(06-23-2025 10:03 PM)fsquid Wrote:  so what's going on with Abrego?

Is your search function broken, or are you just trolling?

Quote:While a federal judge has ordered the release of Kilmar Abrego Garcia from criminal custody, he is unlikely to be freed due to pending immigration proceedings. He faces human smuggling charges and was mistakenly deported to El Salvador before being brought back to the US. Although a judge has ruled he is not a flight risk and can be released before trial, the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) intends to take him into custody immediately. Furthermore, the government has appealed the judge's decision and requested a stay of the release order, according to Democracy Docket.

In essence, the criminal case against Abrego Garcia is proceeding, but his release from criminal custody does not mean he will be free to go about his life. ICE will likely detain him and pursue deportation proceedings.

DHS says Kilmar Abrego Garcia will "never go free ... - YouTube
6 hours ago — a Tennessee judge ordered the release of Kilmar Argo Garcia from criminal custody he's a Maryland man who was mistakenl...

Face the Nation
Judge's order doesn't mean Kilmar Abrego Garcia will go free
14 hours ago — NASHVILLE, Tenn. — A federal judge in Tennessee plans to order the release of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, whose mistaken dep...

WBAL-TV
Trump administration says Kilmar Ábrego García will 'never go free ...
10 hours ago — The Trump administration said a Salvadoran man who was mistakenly deported and then brought back to the US on criminal...

(06-23-2025 10:13 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-23-2025 10:03 PM)fsquid Wrote:  so what's going on with Abrego?

Is your search function broken, or are you just trolling?

Quote:While a federal judge has ordered the release of Kilmar Abrego Garcia from criminal custody, he is unlikely to be freed due to pending immigration proceedings. He faces human smuggling charges and was mistakenly deported to El Salvador before being brought back to the US. Although a judge has ruled he is not a flight risk and can be released before trial, the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) intends to take him into custody immediately. Furthermore, the government has appealed the judge's decision and requested a stay of the release order, according to Democracy Docket.

In essence, the criminal case against Abrego Garcia is proceeding, but his release from criminal custody does not mean he will be free to go about his life. ICE will likely detain him and pursue deportation proceedings.

DHS says Kilmar Abrego Garcia will "never go free ... - YouTube
6 hours ago — a Tennessee judge ordered the release of Kilmar Argo Garcia from criminal custody he's a Maryland man who was mistakenl...

Face the Nation
Judge's order doesn't mean Kilmar Abrego Garcia will go free
14 hours ago — NASHVILLE, Tenn. — A federal judge in Tennessee plans to order the release of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, whose mistaken dep...

WBAL-TV
Trump administration says Kilmar Ábrego García will 'never go free ...
10 hours ago — The Trump administration said a Salvadoran man who was mistakenly deported and then brought back to the US on criminal...

Kilmar is fricked


Muh duly processed.

I've never seen a bunch of Americans so anxious to get due process (already has two deportation orders), and even freedom, for a gangbanging, wife beating, human smuggling, margarita drinking piece of crap illegal alien.

Oh, I left out alleged murder by Abrego Garcia of the mother of one of his gangbanger rivals.

(06-23-2025 11:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I've never seen a bunch of Americans so anxious to get due process (already has two deportation orders), and even freedom, for a gangbanging, wife beating, human smuggling, margarita drinking piece of crap illegal alien.

Could’ve just said illegal alien. Every last one of them needs to go to Sudan