(06-20-2025 07:18 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-20-2025 06:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-20-2025 05:52 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Dangit I leave for a few hours and now I have to catch up all the tanq posts.

Here, I can summarize all his posts for you: "Due process! All persons! 3A, you're still an idiot."

Now you're caught up.

Nope, just said the bolded. And made a point in the process that you dont seem to consider.

Ive asked you a simlpe question on *your* application of the issue, regarding to 'how do you determine, at first blush, who *might* be an illegal alien with no due process.'

If asking you to answer that question is what you take as the italicized, thats on you, 3A. Maybe answer the question before complaining the bolded..... eh?

It was sarcasm. You still don't recognize it.

(06-20-2025 07:21 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-20-2025 06:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Quick AI search on Visa documents. Pretty simple. All visa permit holders are required to carry visa docs on their person at all times, and immigration officials are permitted to request these docs at any time. There is your due process. You either have the required paperwork, as required by law, or you don't. Pretty easy to double check that, too, I bet.

Quote:Yes, individuals in the U.S. on a visa are generally required to carry certain immigration documents with them at all times. This is a legal requirement for non-citizens to demonstrate their authorized presence in the country.

Specific documents to carry may include:

* Passport with valid visa stamp:

This is a key document for most non-immigrants, showing their visa type and entry into the U.S.

* Form I-94 (Arrival/Departure Record):

This document, often obtained electronically, records the individual's permitted stay in the U.S.

Other relevant documents:

* Depending on the visa type, this could include Form I-20 (for F-1 students), Form DS-2019 (for J-1 exchange visitors), or Form I-797 (for H-1B and other nonimmigrant categories).

* Employment Authorization Document (EAD):

If the visa grants permission to work, the EAD card is also a required document.

* Green card (for permanent residents):

Lawful permanent residents are required to carry their green cards.

Why carry these documents?

* Legal requirement:

The Immigration and Nationality Act mandates that non-citizens carry documentation of their immigration status.

* Law enforcement:

Immigration officials may request these documents during routine stops or investigations, and failure to present them can lead to legal issues.

* Proof of status:

These documents serve as proof of authorized presence and any work authorization, if applicable.

Important considerations:

Photocopies:
While carrying original documents is important, some recommend keeping laminated copies as well, especially if the originals are needed for travel or other purposes.

Safe storage:
If originals cannot be carried, ensure they are stored securely and accessible when needed.

Awareness of laws:
Staying informed about current immigration laws and regulations is crucial for compliance.

That doesnt answer my question. How do you determine *who* to force to prove up the above at the first step? That is the *initial* application of due process. Show a reason *to* ask for the above. Show it up at the first blush. You miss that step.

No, I didn't. Read more carefully.

"Immigration officials may request these documents during routine stops or investigations, and failure to present them can lead to legal issues."

Nobody is saying just go knocking on doors looking for brown skinned people. It's all laid out very clearly. I have been saying this from the beginning.

Just ask for their papers, if you are there with them on a routine stop or investigation. Duh. If they can't prove their status, which they are legally required to do, then deport them through whatever method is available.

^
Its all computerized.

False argument to begin with. Cops can look you up in 10 minutes.

Its a bullshite argument like black people cant get ids to vote.

More prog filth BS

(06-20-2025 07:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-20-2025 07:21 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-20-2025 06:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Quick AI search on Visa documents. Pretty simple. All visa permit holders are required to carry visa docs on their person at all times, and immigration officials are permitted to request these docs at any time. There is your due process. You either have the required paperwork, as required by law, or you don't. Pretty easy to double check that, too, I bet.

Quote:Yes, individuals in the U.S. on a visa are generally required to carry certain immigration documents with them at all times. This is a legal requirement for non-citizens to demonstrate their authorized presence in the country.

Specific documents to carry may include:

* Passport with valid visa stamp:

This is a key document for most non-immigrants, showing their visa type and entry into the U.S.

* Form I-94 (Arrival/Departure Record):

This document, often obtained electronically, records the individual's permitted stay in the U.S.

Other relevant documents:

* Depending on the visa type, this could include Form I-20 (for F-1 students), Form DS-2019 (for J-1 exchange visitors), or Form I-797 (for H-1B and other nonimmigrant categories).

* Employment Authorization Document (EAD):

If the visa grants permission to work, the EAD card is also a required document.

* Green card (for permanent residents):

Lawful permanent residents are required to carry their green cards.

Why carry these documents?

* Legal requirement:

The Immigration and Nationality Act mandates that non-citizens carry documentation of their immigration status.

* Law enforcement:

Immigration officials may request these documents during routine stops or investigations, and failure to present them can lead to legal issues.

* Proof of status:

These documents serve as proof of authorized presence and any work authorization, if applicable.

Important considerations:

Photocopies:
While carrying original documents is important, some recommend keeping laminated copies as well, especially if the originals are needed for travel or other purposes.

Safe storage:
If originals cannot be carried, ensure they are stored securely and accessible when needed.

Awareness of laws:
Staying informed about current immigration laws and regulations is crucial for compliance.

That doesnt answer my question. How do you determine *who* to force to prove up the above at the first step? That is the *initial* application of due process. Show a reason *to* ask for the above. Show it up at the first blush. You miss that step.

No, I didn't. Read more carefully.

"Immigration officials may request these documents during routine stops or investigations, and failure to present them can lead to legal issues."

Nobody is saying just go knocking on doors looking for brown skinned people. It's all laid out very clearly. I have been saying this from the beginning.

Just ask for their papers, if you are there with them on a routine stop or investigation. Duh. If they can't prove their status, which they are legally required to do, then deport them through whatever method is available.

How does this affect the AEA folks that I specifically state is the problematic issue?

You do know this is the issue I have specifically noted, right? Are you now for ditching the AEA practice and going to the above? Which honestly I don’t think has engendered an ‘it’s wrong’ from me en toto.

Nor most progressives. If you are a) *properly* detained and b) *properly* allowed to show you are okay, I (and most) dont seem to have a problem with the series a-b above.

I disagree if at first blush they don’t have them *at that point* insta gone. They should have an oppty to show them, or the state should have to show that the US actually tried to verify more fully than —- no papers with you right now, you’re gone.

With the insta gone you put forth, a person like my neighbor could be stopped, and if presumed illegal at that stop doesn’t *necessarily* have *any* papers on him, let alone has by definition *no* visas. The US has to overcome a first presumption somehow in your path, imo.

Your dedication to inaneness is impressive.

3A W
Tanq L

"Wah wah, that's not the other point I was making which you ignored!!!"

And which I never mentioned in my original post on the procedures, and which post I did not address to Tanq.

Oh, and where did I say insta gone in that process? I didn't. I said this:

Quote:All visa permit holders are required to carry visa docs on their person at all times, and immigration officials are permitted to request these docs at any time. There is your due process. You either have the required paperwork, as required by law, or you don't. Pretty easy to double check that, too, I bet.

I even said double check.

Not having your papers does not entitle you to go to an immigration hearing. At that point, it has already been determined that you are here illegally. Then the State Dept. can do whatever they decide to do. Maybe nothing. Maybe something.

And in your last sentence, you conveniently ignored the fact that it is a law to carry your papers on you at all times. But nowhere did I say out they go, no more questions asked. I said at that point, the State Dept. has the ability to go forward with whatever process they deem appropriate.

And yes, if the immigrant simply forgot his papers and can provide them at home, fine. Or, I bet the immigration officials can look up his status on the spot.

My point is, if they are caught in a routine lawful inspection or investigation, and it becomes clear they are illegal, then they are NOT entitled to more damn hearings. At that point, it has already been determined that they are here illegally. By law.

(06-20-2025 08:55 PM)TripleA Wrote:  3A W
Tanq L

"Wah wah, that's not the other point I was making which you ignored!!!"

And which I never mentioned in my original post on the procedures, and which post I did not address to Tanq.

Oh, and where did I say insta gone in that process? I didn't. I said this:

Quote:All visa permit holders are required to carry visa docs on their person at all times, and immigration officials are permitted to request these docs at any time. There is your due process. You either have the required paperwork, as required by law, or you don't. Pretty easy to double check that, too, I bet.

I even said double check.

Not having your papers does not entitle you to go to an immigration hearing. At that point, it has already been determined that you are here illegally. Then the State Dept. can do whatever they decide to do. Maybe nothing. Maybe something.

And in your last sentence, you conveniently ignored the fact that it is a law to carry your papers on you at all times. But nowhere did I say out they go, no more questions asked. I said at that point, the State Dept. has the ability to go forward with whatever process they deem appropriate.

And yes, if the immigrant simply forgot his papers and can provide them at home, fine. Or, I bet the immigration officials can look up his status on the spot.

My point is, if they are caught in a routine lawful inspection or investigation, and it becomes clear they are illegal, then they are NOT entitled to more damn hearings.At that point, it has already been determined that they are here illegally. By law.

And that bolded differs from now -- exactly how? And hate to tell you that isnt the main point (even when generalized to hell) that the due process people are making.

You do know that under an Expedited Removal Hearing -- that is almost exactly what happens NOW? And that isnt what the lawsuits are about, right?

Ill repeat:

Quote:How does this affect the AEA folks that I specifically state is the problematic issue?

You do know this is the issue I have specifically noted, right? Are you now for ditching the AEA practice and going to the above? Which honestly I don’t think has engendered an ‘it’s wrong’ from me en toto.

Im glad you keep high kicking the same points. They dont address the above.

As to your first comment, I havent said *anything* to you in this process that could in any way, shape or form be considered rude, mean, or attacking. And you jump straight in first above -- just like about almost every time. And you wonder why I call you Mr whiny? Get your glasses prescription fixed, or somefink. And hate to tell you 3a -- this pragraph is the same tone as you deicide to employ in your first sentence above. You just cant seem to help yourself. Lolz.

Tell all that to somebody WGAF.

I provided the legal procedure. Even you should be able to understand it.

You lost. Take the L.

(06-20-2025 09:39 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Tell all that to somebody WGAF. You lost. Take the L.

Okay whiny. Sounds good.

Just shut it down when you cant/ dont want to answer. Just like your **** on posting crap tweets. Cool stuff.

(06-20-2025 09:39 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Tell all that to somebody WGAF.

I provided the legal procedure. Even you should be able to understand it.

You lost. Take the L.

I published the dang procedure. The actual lawful procedure. There is nothing else to defend.

I'm sorry you either don't understand it, or you just want to argue for the sake of arguing.

The first thing you did was bring up a point that I never mentioned, and I did not address that procedure to you. Argue by yourself. I'm out.

(06-20-2025 09:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I published the dang procedure. The actual lawful procedure. There is nothing else to defend.

I'm sorry you either don't understand it, or you just want to argue for the sake of arguing.

The first thing you did was bring up a point that I never mentioned, and I did not address that procedure to you. Argue by yourself. I'm out.

Sounds like your excuse when you post false tweets. Neat stuff.

I'm getting the last word I said

Tanq that most certainly is not the point most on the left are making. In fact they are trying to make it appear as if people are being randomly picked up off the street and then immediately sent to a concentration camp. There’s literally dozens of talking heads and even politicians repeating these lies. And then the blue haired white women stand in streets trying to block LE operations as others loot and riot. That’s literally whats happening right now.

As for the AEA, the primary reason for the very limited use of AEA for TdA is primarily so they can’t make a bull**** asylum claim and string out the process for another two or three years. Which otherwise keeps designated terrorists with the support of a foreign enemy and dictator on US soil longer to undermine our sovereignty and national security. What’s happening in LA, Portland, Chicago, etc is a perfect example of how these unlawful actions are manipulated to destroy national unity and by extension our sovereignty. These same people are now protesting on behalf of Iran which tells you all you need to know.

(06-22-2025 05:52 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

He has an ice detainer. He aint going anywhere. He will either be located in a US pound me in the ass prison, or an El Salvadoran pound me in the ass prison.

(06-22-2025 05:52 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Guessing if the DOJ doesn't get a super high bail he's going to get out. There's no way he's going to stick around the USA. He will cross the southern border somewhere if he gets out.

(06-21-2025 08:18 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Tanq that most certainly is not the point most on the left are making. In fact they are trying to make it appear as if people are being randomly picked up off the street and then immediately sent to a concentration camp.

TIBL, hate to tell you but your rhetoric bolded above kind of detracts heavily from the accurate italicized above it.

It doesnt help the image with the videos of people videoing the encounters being assaulted by masked dudes, NYC controllers being arrested for the temerity of demanding to see a warrant, or the arrest and forcible detainer of a US senator.

Your organization is coming across as masked thugs in that manner.

Further, the issue that was emphasized during the election was 'get rid of the baddies.' Now we have rapidly come to the focus being mass round ups at Home Depots. Last I saw the gang bangers, rapists, and murders dont do day labor out of Home Depot.

Quote:There’s literally dozens of talking heads and even politicians repeating these lies. And then the blue haired white women stand in streets trying to block LE operations as others loot and riot. That’s literally whats happening right now.

Please corroborate. I dont buy in to the broad statements above.

Quote:As for the AEA, the primary reason for the very limited use of AEA for TdA is primarily so they can’t make a bull**** asylum claim and string out the process for another two or three years.

And opens ICE, the DOJ, and Trump to the truthful charge of being proponents of rendition. A pretty lousy thing overall.

Quote:Which otherwise keeps designated terrorists with the support of a foreign enemy and dictator on US soil longer to undermine our sovereignty and national security.

There is a great gulf between the legal aspect of removing someone under a terrorist designation and just deciding to short circuit and rendition them. Rendition with no due process.

Just as there is a massive gulf between 'declared war', 'invasion', and 'predatory incursion' and naming a few select gangbangers as such.

And no, the supposed 'support' of that foreign nation simply hasnt been shown as such in any filings -- that is where it is important. ICE, DOJ, and the Trump administration can yelp all they want about 'facts' such as above in public. In this instance, they have to limit their public statement 'facts' above to items that can be proven up in front of judge. An issue that I see the Trump administration failing time after time after time -- the difference between the statements that they make when they can be sanctioned by a judge, and those they simply make.

It used to be that the DOJ, and ICE through it, enjoyed such a 'presumption of regularity' -- now, they dont. So no, I dont take your unfounded rhetoric at the face value you put it out as.

its clear in the Boasberg court, and the Xinis court, that ICE, through the DOJ, has lied to their judicial opposition, lied to the judges there, and literally ignored court orders.

Quote:What’s happening in LA, Portland, Chicago, etc is a perfect example of how these unlawful actions are manipulated to destroy national unity and by extension our sovereignty. These same people are now protesting on behalf of Iran which tells you all you need to know.

Maybe -- Do. It. The. Right. Way.

Instead of the posting chock full of loaded, perhaps untrue rhetoric.

At the very best, all of what you say about 'the support of a foreign enemy and dictator' 'to undermine our sovereignty and national security' simply comes across as a wild thrashing, given the absolute refusal to deal in an honest manner in the judicial system at the present. At worst it comes across as a bad and extralegal excuse to grab massive enforcement powers -- so vast they only come into being when there is an actual war on.

In closing, please dont take my comments on the policy as comments on you personally. Your organization is performing some bad things, which could be excused. But the wall of them tends to paint your organization as the poster boy for overextension of legal authority.

As such, maybe not threaten to arrest mere bystanders for videoing the take downs. In the one today, maybe tell the masked duded to NOT beat a guy pinned to the ground with of forearms to the head. Maybe tell the arresting officers to not elevate a 'mere touch' to an assault (once on the Congresswoman, once on the NYC controller.) Maybe dont go ape **** when someone is demanding to see a warrant. Maybe dont take a US Senator to the floor in front of cameras. None of those help with the look that is coming to focus.