(05-14-2025 09:31 AM)mlb Wrote:  I would still like to know the answer to my question... once the library takes ownership of the airplane does Trump and his family get to use the plane for personal travel?

That would be up to the NARA. Trump has no ownership of HIS library. He just raises the money for it. Just like Reagan had no access to the previous AF1 that is in his library.

(05-14-2025 10:45 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 09:49 AM)mlb Wrote:  If Joe Biden or Barrack Obama had made the same deal under the same circumstances people here would be going nuts, and rightfully so.

They may have. They wouldn't have told us and their Propaganda machine dam sure wouldn't have. Did anyone know Hunter Biden and his "business partner" were on a Corrupt Ukrainian Gas Company's Board while he was? Nope.

Dont forget the 10% for the big guy. And how the goverment had to chase down the Clintons when they left office with the "gifts" they werent allowed to personally keep.

(05-14-2025 08:09 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  Why does the USA, home to Boeing, even need to consider taking a 747 from another country to fly POTUS around?

Why doesn't the USA have its own suitable jet.

Exactly. Said that yesterday or whenever this broke.

Sounds to me the real beef The Crazy should have is with friggin Boeing.

These replacement AF-1’s were ordered back in Trumps 1st term, I think it was early on, ‘17 or ‘18.
Yet here we are well more than HALF A DECADE later and no planes expected until 2029. From a company THAT BUILDS PLANES.

This stand in is supposedly to save on enormous upkeep and repair bills on the current AF-1’s which are older than some of the posters here. 30+ years and millions of miles.

Take the damn plane, who cares. Unless you’re hoping AF-1 falls out of the sky at some pt.

(05-14-2025 09:32 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 09:28 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The Qataris have agreed to buy 150 Boeings this morning.
https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/qatar...ment-trump
The "Trump Family" won't own his library. NARA administers libraries. Qatar giving the US a plane for the POTUS to fly on should have never been a story, if the "media" would have explained how it ACTUALLY works instead of using it as a Get Trump story.
https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/about

Well, they fooled Elvis, Mensa, and Tom.

which, as shown time and time again, isnt very hard to do.....

As evidenced by the TWO PAGES after my post people on this thread either didn't read the explanation or totally disregarded it to continue pbitching about it. For the love of God. IT WON'T BE TRUMP'S AFTER HE IS NO LONGER POTUS.

(05-14-2025 09:10 AM)mlb Wrote:  Here is my question... can Trump and his family use the jet after it goes to his library? If so then this definitely reeks of grift, something that I think everyone had issues with in the last administration.

I bet it’ll stay in service, he’s got his own damn plane, how many does he need. But even if it does go to the library it’s still Fed property. NOT a “personal luxury plane” as the thread name lies.

(05-14-2025 09:47 AM)mlb Wrote:  The estimated cost to retrofit it to presidential standards is over $1B. So how are taxpayers not on the hook?

and I'm sure you totally believe that, right? I'm certain that estimate came from a totally unbiased and reliable source, right?

When's the mass layoffs and firings happening again?

(05-14-2025 10:49 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 08:09 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  Why does the USA, home to Boeing, even need to consider taking a 747 from another country to fly POTUS around?

Why doesn't the USA have its own suitable jet.

Exactly. Said that yesterday or whenever this broke.

Sounds to me the real beef The Crazy should have is with friggin Boeing.

These replacement AF-1’s were ordered back in Trumps 1st term, I think it was early on, ‘17 or ‘18.
Yet here we are well more than HALF A DECADE later and no planes expected until 2029. From a company THAT BUILDS PLANES.

This stand in is supposedly to save on enormous upkeep and repair bills on the current AF-1’s which are older than some of the posters here. 30+ years and millions of miles.

Take the damn plane, who cares. Unless you’re hoping AF-1 falls out of the sky at some pt.

The same reason Congress passes a $trillion "Infrastructure Bill" about every 3-4 years and NO infrastructure is ever completed. See the Newark, NJ airport.

(05-14-2025 09:19 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 09:15 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Why do you even think that? Oh right, TDS.

Why do I think that? They gifted the "United States" a plane, that is going to the Trump library the moment the new 747s are completed. It is likely a 2 year retrofit for the Qatar plane, with a current plan to have the new 747s from Boeing in 2027 (as stated by the USAF). So, at essentially the same time as the Boeing ones are completed, this one will be completed. With such a close timetable what is the reasoning for taking a "gift" of a 747 from Qatar that will get little to no use by the United States government?

Why don’t we wait and see? I doubt a security sweep or two and retrofit of all the electronics and whatever else won’t take anywhere near any two years.

They’ll throw the crews at it and say get it done. Not playing dress up with the DEI garbage that has near destroyed Boeing. Doors falling off and etc…

(05-12-2025 06:01 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump wants a personal luxury jet. This has nothing to do with saving taxpayers a nickel.

hey LiteBrite, he already has his own personal luxury jet....even has his own name on the side of it

(05-14-2025 09:30 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 09:29 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 09:19 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 09:15 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Why do you even think that? Oh right, TDS.

Why do I think that? They gifted the "United States" a plane, that is going to the Trump library the moment the new 747s are completed. It is likely a 2 year retrofit for the Qatar plane, with a current plan to have the new 747s from Boeing in 2027 (as stated by the USAF). So, at essentially the same time as the Boeing ones are completed, this one will be completed. With such a close timetable what is the reasoning for taking a "gift" of a 747 from Qatar that will get little to no use by the United States government?

Boeing itself says at least 2029.

With how much that company can't get out of its own way right now, I'd bet the over.

The USAF said last week they have a proposal from Boeing to have them available in 2027.

Yea, a “proposal”. Probably proposes On-Time and under budget too.
= 2031 and 3X the bid.

Boeing is now synonymous with “cost overruns”.

(05-14-2025 10:58 AM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  

(05-12-2025 06:01 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump wants a personal luxury jet. This has nothing to do with saving taxpayers a nickel.

hey LiteBrite, he already has his own personal luxury jet....even has his own name on the side of it

(05-14-2025 09:36 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 09:34 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  No more than he could any other government owned asset.

If he and his family can't use it once he leaves office, then I don't really care. If they can then it throws up red flags. That simple.

How many former POTUS’ have you seen joy riding around on their AF-1?

Should be a pretty good indication.

(05-14-2025 10:00 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 07:23 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Is the title of this mis-leading?

It is not a "personal" Luxury Jet. It is a [temporary] replacement for AF1 which is the Presidential Jet.


In the long list of things to give any F's about, this is waaaaay down towards the bottom.

It will cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars… some project it into the billions… to retrofit this 13 year old plane into an AF1. Too, it will take years to complete & then, after a year of service, be deeded over to the Trump Library… which, coincidentally does not exist.

So, we invest a billion, so Trump can get a personal jet equipped with top secret electronic & communication systems, only to have Boeing deliver 2 AF1’s at roughly the same time. Trump can then ride around in “his” plane for 12 months in his official capacity & then take control of it when he leaves office? Seems legit.

Who pays the millions to have the top secret communications systems removed once he leaves office & the plane returned to civilian service? Seems like an inordinate amount of money & resources for a year of service… unless the ultimate goal is for the plane’s life to extend well past Trump’s term in office.

It will cost taxpayers hundreds of millions....lol

Add a couple digits to get to what Biden wasted. I don't recall your being so taxpayer concerned. Wonder what changed?

(05-14-2025 09:47 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 09:41 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  How? The US isn't paying for it so we the taxpayers aren't on the hook. Admit the truth.

ORANGE MAN BAD!

The estimated cost to retrofit it to presidential standards is over $1B. So how are taxpayers not on the hook?

Should he fly Coach instead?

What are you doing?
What are you even getting at? He needs a damn AF-1 that functions and isn’t in “the shop” all the time. Boeing, amazingly, can’t get it done.

Take the jet

(05-14-2025 09:49 AM)mlb Wrote:  If Joe Biden or Barrack Obama had made the same deal under the same circumstances people here would be going nuts, and rightfully so.

Rightfully so, what?

Ahhh, trick question. I get it now.

NO chance either Sloe* or zerO could ever pull off a deal like this, so no need for nuts. Nice try.

(05-14-2025 11:03 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 10:00 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 07:23 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Is the title of this mis-leading?

It is not a "personal" Luxury Jet. It is a [temporary] replacement for AF1 which is the Presidential Jet.


In the long list of things to give any F's about, this is waaaaay down towards the bottom.

It will cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars… some project it into the billions… to retrofit this 13 year old plane into an AF1. Too, it will take years to complete & then, after a year of service, be deeded over to the Trump Library… which, coincidentally does not exist.

So, we invest a billion, so Trump can get a personal jet equipped with top secret electronic & communication systems, only to have Boeing deliver 2 AF1’s at roughly the same time. Trump can then ride around in “his” plane for 12 months in his official capacity & then take control of it when he leaves office? Seems legit.

Who pays the millions to have the top secret communications systems removed once he leaves office & the plane returned to civilian service? Seems like an inordinate amount of money & resources for a year of service… unless the ultimate goal is for the plane’s life to extend well past Trump’s term in office.

It will cost taxpayers hundreds of millions....lol

Add a couple digits to get to what Biden wasted. I don't recall your being so taxpayer concerned. Wonder what changed?

So, waaaaay less than the amount Congress gave Stacey Abrams orgs to install 36 stoves.

maybe he should fly on one of Bernie Sanders' private jets?

(05-14-2025 11:10 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 11:03 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 10:00 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 07:23 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Is the title of this mis-leading?

It is not a "personal" Luxury Jet. It is a [temporary] replacement for AF1 which is the Presidential Jet.


In the long list of things to give any F's about, this is waaaaay down towards the bottom.

It will cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars… some project it into the billions… to retrofit this 13 year old plane into an AF1. Too, it will take years to complete & then, after a year of service, be deeded over to the Trump Library… which, coincidentally does not exist.

So, we invest a billion, so Trump can get a personal jet equipped with top secret electronic & communication systems, only to have Boeing deliver 2 AF1’s at roughly the same time. Trump can then ride around in “his” plane for 12 months in his official capacity & then take control of it when he leaves office? Seems legit.

Who pays the millions to have the top secret communications systems removed once he leaves office & the plane returned to civilian service? Seems like an inordinate amount of money & resources for a year of service… unless the ultimate goal is for the plane’s life to extend well past Trump’s term in office.

It will cost taxpayers hundreds of millions....lol

Add a couple digits to get to what Biden wasted. I don't recall your being so taxpayer concerned. Wonder what changed?

So, waaaaay less than the amount Congress gave Stacey Abrams orgs to install 36 stoves.

How about Biden's 7 EV charging stations that cost 7 Billion. Those aren't even the high speed chargers FFS.

I'll wait and see what they come back with, but it isn't as simple as sweeping it for bugs and putting in new communications equipment. There are medical bays that have to be installed, anti-SAM systems that have to be installed, anti-AAM systems that have to be installed, in air refueling capabilities to be installed. It isn't a simple modification, hence the time and money. And also no guarantee that this other contractor can complete it on time and on budget.

(05-14-2025 11:16 AM)mlb Wrote:  I'll wait and see what they come back with, but it isn't as simple as sweeping it for bugs and putting in new communications equipment. There are medical bays that have to be installed, anti-SAM systems that have to be installed, anti-AAM systems that have to be installed, in air refueling capabilities to be installed. It isn't a simple modification, hence the time and money. And also no guarantee that this other contractor can complete it on time and on budget.