No more than he could any other government owned asset.

(05-14-2025 09:31 AM)mlb Wrote:  I would still like to know the answer to my question... once the library takes ownership of the airplane does Trump and his family get to use the plane for personal travel?

Who cares? Is it hurting you or me?

(05-14-2025 09:34 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  No more than he could any other government owned asset.

If he and his family can't use it once he leaves office, then I don't really care. If they can then it throws up red flags. That simple.

(05-14-2025 09:35 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 09:31 AM)mlb Wrote:  I would still like to know the answer to my question... once the library takes ownership of the airplane does Trump and his family get to use the plane for personal travel?

Who cares? Is it hurting you or me?

Potentially. Tough to say at this moment.

(05-14-2025 09:19 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 09:15 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Why do you even think that? Oh right, TDS.

Why do I think that? They gifted the "United States" a plane, that is going to the Trump library the moment the new 747s are completed. It is likely a 2 year retrofit for the Qatar plane, with a current plan to have the new 747s from Boeing in 2027 (as stated by the USAF). So, at essentially the same time as the Boeing ones are completed, this one will be completed. With such a close timetable what is the reasoning for taking a "gift" of a 747 from Qatar that will get little to no use by the United States government?

Come on now! It will get plenty of use. You know the Dems can't wait to use that luxury jet for their trips down to El Salvador (at taxpayer expense) to visit their criminal friends.

(05-14-2025 09:37 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 09:35 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 09:31 AM)mlb Wrote:  I would still like to know the answer to my question... once the library takes ownership of the airplane does Trump and his family get to use the plane for personal travel?

Who cares? Is it hurting you or me?

Potentially. Tough to say at this moment.

How? The US isn't paying for it so we the taxpayers aren't on the hook. Admit the truth.

ORANGE MAN BAD!

(05-14-2025 09:41 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  How? The US isn't paying for it so we the taxpayers aren't on the hook. Admit the truth.

ORANGE MAN BAD!

The estimated cost to retrofit it to presidential standards is over $1B. So how are taxpayers not on the hook?

Why does Boeing now need to present a proposal to finish it 2 years earlier than they said it would be done in 2029 (due to their own delays and engineering problems)? They got the damned contract in 2018. What changed? A new administration in 2021? Perhaps they now figured out they were going to get told to screw off if this new platform hit the fleet? Perhaps it's the awful investor press on the heels of botching the space station rescue?

Funny how new proposals suddenly appear.

If Joe Biden or Barrack Obama had made the same deal under the same circumstances people here would be going nuts, and rightfully so.

(05-14-2025 09:48 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Why does Boeing now need to present a proposal to finish it 2 years earlier than they said it would be done in 2029 (due to their own delays and engineering problems)? They got the damned contract in 2018. What changed? A new administration in 2021? Perhaps they now figured out they were going to get told to screw off if this new platform hit the fleet? Perhaps it's the awful investor press on the heels of botching the space station rescue?

Funny how new proposals suddenly appear.

That is a different question, and it should be investigated. Quite frankly, Boeing should be getting financial penalties for not completing the work on time and on budget.

(05-14-2025 09:49 AM)mlb Wrote:  If Joe Biden or Barrack Obama had made the same deal under the same circumstances people here would be going nuts, and rightfully so.

He used the word "people" so he must be referring to Conservatives.

(05-14-2025 09:51 AM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 09:49 AM)mlb Wrote:  If Joe Biden or Barrack Obama had made the same deal under the same circumstances people here would be going nuts, and rightfully so.

He used the word "people" so he must be referring to Conservatives.

No, Trump doesn't fit under the "conservative" tag himself. But I would say non-Democrats would be going nuts. Even MAGA influencers are calling him out saying it throws up red flags. I don't get the indifference by people here. Again, all of this is moot if the plane is retired the moment it goes to the library, thus unable to be used by Trump or his family after leaving office. If that is the case then it is just a collasal waste of money.

(05-14-2025 09:49 AM)mlb Wrote:  If Joe Biden or Barrack Obama had made the same deal under the same circumstances people here would be going nuts, and rightfully so.

Perhaps you can find a thread w/ a similar situation.

(05-14-2025 07:23 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Is the title of this mis-leading?

It is not a "personal" Luxury Jet. It is a [temporary] replacement for AF1 which is the Presidential Jet.


In the long list of things to give any F's about, this is waaaaay down towards the bottom.

It will cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars… some project it into the billions… to retrofit this 13 year old plane into an AF1. Too, it will take years to complete & then, after a year of service, be deeded over to the Trump Library… which, coincidentally does not exist.

So, we invest a billion, so Trump can get a personal jet equipped with top secret electronic & communication systems, only to have Boeing deliver 2 AF1’s at roughly the same time. Trump can then ride around in “his” plane for 12 months in his official capacity & then take control of it when he leaves office? Seems legit.

Who pays the millions to have the top secret communications systems removed once he leaves office & the plane returned to civilian service? Seems like an inordinate amount of money & resources for a year of service… unless the ultimate goal is for the plane’s life to extend well past Trump’s term in office.

Hahahahahahaha

(05-14-2025 09:57 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 09:49 AM)mlb Wrote:  If Joe Biden or Barrack Obama had made the same deal under the same circumstances people here would be going nuts, and rightfully so.

Perhaps you can find a thread w/ a similar situation.

Can certainly find lots of them talking about the grift of Hunter and Joe's brother. And people were right about it.

(05-14-2025 10:00 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 07:23 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Is the title of this mis-leading?

It is not a "personal" Luxury Jet. It is a [temporary] replacement for AF1 which is the Presidential Jet.


In the long list of things to give any F's about, this is waaaaay down towards the bottom.

It will cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars… some project it into the billions… to retrofit this 13 year old plane into an AF1. Too, it will take years to complete & then, after a year of service, be deeded over to the Trump Library… which, coincidentally does not exist.

So, we invest a billion, so Trump can get a personal jet equipped with top secret electronic & communication systems, only to have Boeing deliver 2 AF1’s at roughly the same time. Trump can then ride around in “his” plane for 12 months in his official capacity & then take control of it when he leaves office? Seems legit.

Who pays the millions to have the top secret communications systems removed once he leaves office & the plane returned to civilian service? Seems like an inordinate amount of money & resources for a year of service… unless the ultimate goal is for the plane’s life to extend well past Trump’s term in office.

ok, let me slow it down for some of you who are not so bright.

Boeing keeps delaying the delivery of the new AF-1's because Trump made them go with a fixed bid in 2018. Instead of working on them, Boeing decided to ensure the employees were fully trained on DEI and wokeness. By the time they got serious on working on them, covid hit. Then after that, when they decided they needed to start purchasing materials, Biden*s inflation hit. So Boeing has continued to not work on building these planes to control costs. But Biden*s inflation didnt let up, so they pushed the delivery dates out to 2024, then to 2027 and 2028, and now we are hearing 2029.

At the same time, Boeing is now trying to undo the fixed bid and charge more for these planes.

So Trump is like, screw it, we'll accept this jet from Qatar, which is the same model plane as the new AF1's, so retrofitting it would be easy since Boeing is already retrofitting two of them currently.

So even if it costs $1billion to retrofit, it will come it at less than half the price a current AF1 costs. You know, the ones that are already late and the delivery schedule keeps getting pushed out? In the software world we would call these vapor jets.

The current AF1's are old and need to be retired NOW. They are past due. Why dont you ask how much it is costing to keep these old jets in the air and compare that to how much it will cost to retrofit this newer one?

(05-14-2025 10:02 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 09:57 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(05-14-2025 09:49 AM)mlb Wrote:  If Joe Biden or Barrack Obama had made the same deal under the same circumstances people here would be going nuts, and rightfully so.

Perhaps you can find a thread w/ a similar situation.

Can certainly find lots of them talking about the grift of Hunter and Joe's brother. And people were right about it.

I'll take that as a no. Those aren't the same situation as what is happening here. See UMStateU's post right above this one.

(05-14-2025 05:56 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

Yea, your fellow traveler Mensa tried that waaaay up there ^^^ already. Nonsense. Does not apply.

The plane is going to the U.S. Govt. Not Trump.

At least TRY to come with some new nonsense.

Maybe the horror of the red hats for sale again?

(05-14-2025 09:49 AM)mlb Wrote:  If Joe Biden or Barrack Obama had made the same deal under the same circumstances people here would be going nuts, and rightfully so.

They may have. They wouldn't have told us and their Propaganda machine dam sure wouldn't have. Did anyone know Hunter Biden and his "business partner" were on a Corrupt Ukrainian Gas Company's Board while he was? Nope.