The EVs may be a good buy in the future but they still are not ready for full roll out. When they have a problem it takes months sometimes to fix, and the reliability of the battery in various weather scenarios is sketchy at best.

If you are driving more than 25 miles in one direction every day they lose a lot of practicality very quickly.

My HR person has one and she loves it but she is only putting 30 miles a day on it. The few times she has had to drive longer distance (more than 90 miles) out to Boston it becomes a problem. Charging stations are rarely close by (walking distance to wherever she has to go to) and the time it takes to recharge just takes way too long. In her words, "EVs are efficiently inefficient" for anything other than local commuting.

Like SK and TB4E said, I have no problem if you want to own one. Just don't force me to own one. I want the choice of getting one or sticking with vehicles with internal combustion engines. (Because, you know, freedom of choice and stuff.)

(05-07-2025 09:42 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Like SK and TB4E said, I have no problem if you want to own one. Just don't force me to own one. I want the choice. (Because, you know, freedom of choice and stuff.)

nuts would like to have shoulder mounted rpg launchers and 900 hp ... can't road authorize those, eh??!

One night we got the last car in the Hertz lot and it was a Tesla.

It was fun to drive, but it was kind of annoying how they had you do everything differently, just because. Charging was a pain. We had to wait about 20 minutes in a crowded HEB parking lot and then it took another 20 minutes or so to charge. Might be fine as a 2nd car.

(05-07-2025 09:09 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 08:55 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 08:12 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 08:07 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 11:03 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Public charging is pricey and something EV zealots fail to mention is once your vehicle hits 80% the cost increases because the charge rate slows down.

Wait a minute... I thought it was free to charge them? I thought that was supposed to be a selling point... that they were cheaper.

I cant tell you how many times I have hit elvis over the head on this one issue. The current battery technologies require much more charge current once the batteries get above 80%.

The dealer that sold my son in law and daughter theirs said to not charge it above 80%, but didnt say why. The reason is the shock you will get when you see how much that final 20% cost you.

And when the battery goes out your real value plummets

Get rid of it before the warranty is up

Friend has one under warranty with a bad battery and six months later still no replacement

Good grief. That's almost like false advertising.

In fairness, that isn't an EV only problem. One of my employees bought a Kia against all advice because it has a 10/100,000 warranty. It's been at the dealership for months waiting on an engine replacement. It seems a lot of the manufacturers are having issues getting major components.

(05-07-2025 09:45 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 09:42 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Like SK and TB4E said, I have no problem if you want to own one. Just don't force me to own one. I want the choice. (Because, you know, freedom of choice and stuff.)

nuts would like to have shoulder mounted rpg launchers and 900 hp ... can't road authorize those, eh??!

stink, if I'm not allowed to have a fully-loaded, fully-functional F-23, you're not allowed to have rpg launchers or 900 horsepower for your vehicle. (Well, okay. I'm sure the 900 hp is fine.)

Also, I woke up with a headache. I need, as Troy MacGreggor from the MST3K-riffed movie the Final Sacrifice said, "FEWD!"

(05-07-2025 09:54 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 09:45 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 09:42 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Like SK and TB4E said, I have no problem if you want to own one. Just don't force me to own one. I want the choice. (Because, you know, freedom of choice and stuff.)

nuts would like to have shoulder mounted rpg launchers and 900 hp ... can't road authorize those, eh??!

stink, if I'm not allowed to have a fully-loaded, fully-functional F-23, you're not allowed to have rpg launchers or 900 horsepower for your vehicle. (Well, okay. I'm sure the 900 hp is fine.)

Also, I woke up with a headache. I need, as Troy MacGreggor from the MST3K-riffed movie the Final Sacrifice said, "FEWD!"

@tripsXtrey

(05-06-2025 11:03 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  range drops significantly at the speeds I drive on the interstate.

Since you own it you can tell us how much of a drawback this is vs me who doesn't own one. That said - this looks like a HUGE drawback. Because it looks like we were sold an outright lie - along the lines of the fuel standards claims in the 80s and 90s. IOW, deviate slightly from ideal driving conditions and your range drops. Technology from Oz...deviate from the yellow brick road and unexpected things will come....

(05-07-2025 08:12 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 08:07 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 11:03 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Public charging is pricey and something EV zealots fail to mention is once your vehicle hits 80% the cost increases because the charge rate slows down.

Wait a minute... I thought it was free to charge them? I thought that was supposed to be a selling point... that they were cheaper.

I cant tell you how many times I have hit elvis over the head on this one issue. The current battery technologies require much more charge current once the batteries get above 80%.

The dealer that sold my son in law and daughter theirs said to not charge it above 80%, but didnt say why. The reason is the shock you will get when you see how much that final 20% cost you.

Listening to you talk about this is like watching kids trying to play a game of telephone. You have no idea what you are talking about.

1. They told them not to charge above 80% as a normal state of charge because of battery chemistry. NMC battery chemistry experiences higher battery degradation when stored above 80% charge. Manufactures of EVs with NMC battery cells recommend 80% as the normal charge setting, then if you are leaving for a road trip set it to charge to 100% the night before.

2. Batteries don’t require more current to charge above 80%, it’s actually quite the opposite. The car pulls the most amperage while charging with the total state of charge in the 10% to 70% range, and amperage draw starts to trail down over 80%. On an L3 charger if I plug in at 15% charge the car will charge at around 150Kw (assuming the battery is preconditioned) from plug in until 80%. Once as the total charge goes above 80% the charge rate ramps down to the 50Kw range, until the high 90s when it ramps down again. It doesn’t take more current to charge above 80%, it takes more TIME. Some chargers cost more above 80% if the charger is busy as a financial incentive to get you to move along and not sit there waiting for the car to charge to 100%. I charge my car to 100% at home all the time (LFP batteries), but on the supercharger I only charge until 80%. Takes about 15 minutes to charge from 15% to 80% then just keep moving along. I don’t want to spend another 15 minutes to get the last 15%.

(05-07-2025 12:49 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 08:12 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 08:07 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 11:03 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Public charging is pricey and something EV zealots fail to mention is once your vehicle hits 80% the cost increases because the charge rate slows down.

Wait a minute... I thought it was free to charge them? I thought that was supposed to be a selling point... that they were cheaper.

I cant tell you how many times I have hit elvis over the head on this one issue. The current battery technologies require much more charge current once the batteries get above 80%.

The dealer that sold my son in law and daughter theirs said to not charge it above 80%, but didnt say why. The reason is the shock you will get when you see how much that final 20% cost you.

Listening to you talk about this is like watching kids trying to play a game of telephone. You have no idea what you are talking about.

1. They told them not to charge above 80% as a normal state of charge because of battery chemistry. NMC battery chemistry experiences higher battery degradation when stored above 80% charge. Manufactures of EVs with NMC battery cells recommend 80% as the normal charge setting, then if you are leaving for a road trip set it to charge to 100% the night before.

2. Batteries don’t require more current to charge above 80%, it’s actually quite the opposite. The car pulls the most amperage while charging with the total state of charge in the 10% to 70% range, and amperage draw starts to trail down over 80%. On an L3 charger if I plug in at 15% charge the car will charge at around 150Kw (assuming the battery is preconditioned) from plug in until 80%. Once as the total charge goes above 80% the charge rate ramps down to the 50Kw range, until the high 90s when it ramps down again. It doesn’t take more current to charge above 80%, it takes more TIME. Some chargers cost more above 80% if the charger is busy as a financial incentive to get you to move along and not sit there waiting for the car to charge to 100%. I charge my car to 100% at home all the time (LFP batteries), but on the supercharger I only charge until 80%. Takes about 15 minutes to charge from 15% to 80% then just keep moving along. I don’t want to spend another 15 minutes to get the last 15%.

lulz....i told you guys....

(05-07-2025 12:54 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 12:49 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 08:12 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 08:07 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 11:03 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Public charging is pricey and something EV zealots fail to mention is once your vehicle hits 80% the cost increases because the charge rate slows down.

Wait a minute... I thought it was free to charge them? I thought that was supposed to be a selling point... that they were cheaper.

I cant tell you how many times I have hit elvis over the head on this one issue. The current battery technologies require much more charge current once the batteries get above 80%.

The dealer that sold my son in law and daughter theirs said to not charge it above 80%, but didnt say why. The reason is the shock you will get when you see how much that final 20% cost you.

Listening to you talk about this is like watching kids trying to play a game of telephone. You have no idea what you are talking about.

1. They told them not to charge above 80% as a normal state of charge because of battery chemistry. NMC battery chemistry experiences higher battery degradation when stored above 80% charge. Manufactures of EVs with NMC battery cells recommend 80% as the normal charge setting, then if you are leaving for a road trip set it to charge to 100% the night before.

2. Batteries don’t require more current to charge above 80%, it’s actually quite the opposite. The car pulls the most amperage while charging with the total state of charge in the 10% to 70% range, and amperage draw starts to trail down over 80%. On an L3 charger if I plug in at 15% charge the car will charge at around 150Kw (assuming the battery is preconditioned) from plug in until 80%. Once as the total charge goes above 80% the charge rate ramps down to the 50Kw range, until the high 90s when it ramps down again. It doesn’t take more current to charge above 80%, it takes more TIME. Some chargers cost more above 80% if the charger is busy as a financial incentive to get you to move along and not sit there waiting for the car to charge to 100%. I charge my car to 100% at home all the time (LFP batteries), but on the supercharger I only charge until 80%. Takes about 15 minutes to charge from 15% to 80% then just keep moving along. I don’t want to spend another 15 minutes to get the last 15%.

lulz....i told you guys....

Right? He could've said all of that without being condescending. (He can't help it though. Poor guy.)

I don't want one. I don't need one.

But...

If I could get the quiet, smooth ride of a nice posh 70's Chrysler Imperial, I might do it just to have a great ride again.

(05-07-2025 01:06 PM)Claw Wrote:  I don't want one. I don't need one.

But...

If I could get the quiet, smooth ride of a nice posh 70's Chrysler Imperial, I might do it just to have a great ride again.

if it's quite quaint and quiet off the line in any version of 'traffic', and the avg. dipshite doesn't have a fk'n clue, ..............................oh, fk'n wellzy...

#residualImpact

(05-07-2025 01:31 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 01:06 PM)Claw Wrote:  I don't want one. I don't need one.

But...

If I could get the quiet, smooth ride of a nice posh 70's Chrysler Imperial, I might do it just to have a great ride again.

if it's quite quaint and quiet off the line in any version of 'traffic', and the avg. dipshite doesn't have a fk'n clue, ..............................oh, fk'n wellzy...

#residualImpact

They never rode with my lead-footed Mama in New Yorker.

(05-07-2025 12:55 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 12:54 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 12:49 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 08:12 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 08:07 AM)b2b Wrote:  Wait a minute... I thought it was free to charge them? I thought that was supposed to be a selling point... that they were cheaper.

I cant tell you how many times I have hit elvis over the head on this one issue. The current battery technologies require much more charge current once the batteries get above 80%.

The dealer that sold my son in law and daughter theirs said to not charge it above 80%, but didnt say why. The reason is the shock you will get when you see how much that final 20% cost you.

Listening to you talk about this is like watching kids trying to play a game of telephone. You have no idea what you are talking about.

1. They told them not to charge above 80% as a normal state of charge because of battery chemistry. NMC battery chemistry experiences higher battery degradation when stored above 80% charge. Manufactures of EVs with NMC battery cells recommend 80% as the normal charge setting, then if you are leaving for a road trip set it to charge to 100% the night before.

2. Batteries don’t require more current to charge above 80%, it’s actually quite the opposite. The car pulls the most amperage while charging with the total state of charge in the 10% to 70% range, and amperage draw starts to trail down over 80%. On an L3 charger if I plug in at 15% charge the car will charge at around 150Kw (assuming the battery is preconditioned) from plug in until 80%. Once as the total charge goes above 80% the charge rate ramps down to the 50Kw range, until the high 90s when it ramps down again. It doesn’t take more current to charge above 80%, it takes more TIME. Some chargers cost more above 80% if the charger is busy as a financial incentive to get you to move along and not sit there waiting for the car to charge to 100%. I charge my car to 100% at home all the time (LFP batteries), but on the supercharger I only charge until 80%. Takes about 15 minutes to charge from 15% to 80% then just keep moving along. I don’t want to spend another 15 minutes to get the last 15%.

lulz....i told you guys....

Right? He could've said all of that without being condescending. (He can't help it though. Poor guy.)

he basically made my point without realizing he made my point.

many battery chemistries have an issue charging above a certain rate, such as 80%. The faster you try to charge it above 80%, the more of that energy goes to waste in the form of heat. So, you can continue to fast charge it, and it will cost you out the ass. Or you can slow down the charge once you hit 80% to prevent it from killing your pocketbook.

Some chargers will do this throttle down automatically.

As far as how high to charge the batteries, well that is dependent on the chemistry makeup of the battery. Lithium batteries made from nickle/cobalt/manganese (NMC) prefer to be stored long term at around 50%. If you need to drive somewhere, then charge it to 80% then drive it. Keeping this type of battery charged above 80% for long periods of time will degrade it.

Lithium batteries made out of iron phosphate need to be charged to 100% at least a couple of times per week or they will prematurely degrade. This is completely different from the NMC chemistry.

The tesla model my kids bought was a model 3 with LIPO batteries. And only charging that battery to 80% will prematurely degrade it.

(05-07-2025 01:40 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 01:33 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 01:31 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 01:06 PM)Claw Wrote:  I don't want one. I don't need one.

But...

If I could get the quiet, smooth ride of a nice posh 70's Chrysler Imperial, I might do it just to have a great ride again.

if it's quite quaint and quiet off the line in any version of 'traffic', and the avg. dipshite doesn't have a fk'n clue, ..............................oh, fk'n wellzy...

#residualImpact

They never rode with my lead-footed Mama in New Yorker.

lol ... they never road the row-adds with nuts from LTD --->>> GLC --->>> Avalon leaving out the best unraced strip from MSY after Kat ... (not a soul on the road after another red-eye with a hooker and 8-ball in 'weight' ...

it was pure suspension as she pulled me thru the lines ... all it would've taken was a pebble to toss muh over...

there's plenty moire ... y'all ain' seen shite yet...

(05-07-2025 12:49 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 08:12 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 08:07 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 11:03 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Public charging is pricey and something EV zealots fail to mention is once your vehicle hits 80% the cost increases because the charge rate slows down.

Wait a minute... I thought it was free to charge them? I thought that was supposed to be a selling point... that they were cheaper.

I cant tell you how many times I have hit elvis over the head on this one issue. The current battery technologies require much more charge current once the batteries get above 80%.

The dealer that sold my son in law and daughter theirs said to not charge it above 80%, but didnt say why. The reason is the shock you will get when you see how much that final 20% cost you.

Listening to you talk about this is like watching kids trying to play a game of telephone. You have no idea what you are talking about.

1. They told them not to charge above 80% as a normal state of charge because of battery chemistry. NMC battery chemistry experiences higher battery degradation when stored above 80% charge. Manufactures of EVs with NMC battery cells recommend 80% as the normal charge setting, then if you are leaving for a road trip set it to charge to 100% the night before.

2. Batteries don’t require more current to charge above 80%, it’s actually quite the opposite. The car pulls the most amperage while charging with the total state of charge in the 10% to 70% range, and amperage draw starts to trail down over 80%. On an L3 charger if I plug in at 15% charge the car will charge at around 150Kw (assuming the battery is preconditioned) from plug in until 80%. Once as the total charge goes above 80% the charge rate ramps down to the 50Kw range, until the high 90s when it ramps down again. It doesn’t take more current to charge above 80%, it takes more TIME. Some chargers cost more above 80% if the charger is busy as a financial incentive to get you to move along and not sit there waiting for the car to charge to 100%. I charge my car to 100% at home all the time (LFP batteries), but on the supercharger I only charge until 80%. Takes about 15 minutes to charge from 15% to 80% then just keep moving along. I don’t want to spend another 15 minutes to get the last 15%.

(05-07-2025 02:03 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

the "x" in the 'mirrored' is quite the nice one via the stink-a-sleeze phonetics...

@ad-hocSansHyphens_Hyenas

(05-07-2025 10:33 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 09:54 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 09:45 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 09:42 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Like SK and TB4E said, I have no problem if you want to own one. Just don't force me to own one. I want the choice. (Because, you know, freedom of choice and stuff.)

nuts would like to have shoulder mounted rpg launchers and 900 hp ... can't road authorize those, eh??!

stink, if I'm not allowed to have a fully-loaded, fully-functional F-23, you're not allowed to have rpg launchers or 900 horsepower for your vehicle. (Well, okay. I'm sure the 900 hp is fine.)

Also, I woke up with a headache. I need, as Troy MacGreggor from the MST3K-riffed movie the Final Sacrifice said, "FEWD!"

@tripsXtrey

Ewe wang?

(05-06-2025 11:03 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Yesterday marked one month that we bought my wife an EV and thought I'd give an honest opinion. Short version of below. It works great for us, but it 100% is not for everybody, or even most people. Any sort of government mandate for EVs is absolute insanity considering how many people live in apartments. Public charging is almost as expensive as gas and way more inconvient.

Cons-

Traveling is/would be a pain in the ass. We drove it the 200ish miles to Memphis to visit friends from Nashville and range drops significantly at the speeds I drive on the interstate. The nav software is smart enough to plan a l3 charger in route so we stopped in Jackson for lunch and to let the kids release some energy. Public charging is pricey and something EV zealots fail to mention is once your vehicle hits 80% the cost increases because the charge rate slows down. The Tesla supercharger in Jackson didn't, but the Pilot charger we stopped at on the way home charged $1 for every minute past 80%.

I know people say it's perfectly fine to road trip in an EV, but we go on long road trips and stopping every 2-3 hours for 30 minutes would be absolute dog crap.

Home charging on a L1 charger would also be impossible for someone like me that drives 60 miles round trip for work everyday. You need at least a l2 charger and that requires a 220 outlet accessible for a charger. I knew this going into it and one of the reasons we picked the ford mach-e was because Ford included a L2 charger installed and our panel is in our garage. If you live in an apartment and had any sort of decent commute I don't know how an EV would work for you.

Pros-

The thing is just fun to drive. It has the same acceleration feel as my Viper but it's just smooth as butter. Nothing will compare to the rumble of a big block ICE, but for someone like my wife that doesn't care about that, she loves the speed of it.

Range for her is insignificant. She is a nurse and drives roughly 20 miles on a busy day with the kids, usually no more than 10. I calculated our home charging cost for the past month at about $15. Taking away the trip to Memphis and comparing it to the MPG of her old SUV, saved about $60 in gas this month.

I'm sold enough that it's time to retire a couple of my company vans and I think I will replace them with EVs. Still need an ICE for out of town work, but for the in town service guys the numbers make sense.

Thanks for sharing your experience Bob.
Travel would be our biggest concern too. We drive to Ft. Lauderdale and Miami to board cruise ships. That’s 1000 miles each way. Stopping 3 or 4 times to charge would make a long drive even longer.

That’s why we have been looking at hybrids.
Hybrids are flying off the lots here in Kentucky. Toyota has a 3-6 week waiting list.

We’ll probably get a hybrid later this summer
Thanks again for the EV review.