Yesterday marked one month that we bought my wife an EV and thought I'd give an honest opinion. Short version of below. It works great for us, but it 100% is not for everybody, or even most people. Any sort of government mandate for EVs is absolute insanity considering how many people live in apartments. Public charging is almost as expensive as gas and way more inconvient.

Cons-

Traveling is/would be a pain in the ass. We drove it the 200ish miles to Memphis to visit friends from Nashville and range drops significantly at the speeds I drive on the interstate. The nav software is smart enough to plan a l3 charger in route so we stopped in Jackson for lunch and to let the kids release some energy. Public charging is pricey and something EV zealots fail to mention is once your vehicle hits 80% the cost increases because the charge rate slows down. The Tesla supercharger in Jackson didn't, but the Pilot charger we stopped at on the way home charged $1 for every minute past 80%.

I know people say it's perfectly fine to road trip in an EV, but we go on long road trips and stopping every 2-3 hours for 30 minutes would be absolute dog crap.

Home charging on a L1 charger would also be impossible for someone like me that drives 60 miles round trip for work everyday. You need at least a l2 charger and that requires a 220 outlet accessible for a charger. I knew this going into it and one of the reasons we picked the ford mach-e was because Ford included a L2 charger installed and our panel is in our garage. If you live in an apartment and had any sort of decent commute I don't know how an EV would work for you.

Pros-

The thing is just fun to drive. It has the same acceleration feel as my Viper but it's just smooth as butter. Nothing will compare to the rumble of a big block ICE, but for someone like my wife that doesn't care about that, she loves the speed of it.

Range for her is insignificant. She is a nurse and drives roughly 20 miles on a busy day with the kids, usually no more than 10. I calculated our home charging cost for the past month at about $15. Taking away the trip to Memphis and comparing it to the MPG of her old SUV, saved about $60 in gas this month.

I'm sold enough that it's time to retire a couple of my company vans and I think I will replace them with EVs. Still need an ICE for out of town work, but for the in town service guys the numbers make sense.

Glad you like it.

Moat of us have just been against

1 govt subsidies
2 being forced by the govt to transition to them.

I dont care if your car is powered by 3 rubberbands, a team of hamsters and a boatsail, just dont ask me to pay for it or try to force me to buy one

(05-06-2025 11:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Glad you like it.

Moat of us have just been against

1 govt subsidies
2 being forced by the govt to transition to them.

I dont care if your car is powered by 3 rubberbands, a team of hamsters and a boatsail, just dont ask me to pay for it or try to force me to buy one

That's all. Just leave me alone to decide for myself.

My sister has had a Tesla Y for 2 years. She loved it at first, 100%. And it works fine on long road trips for us, b/c we don't get in a big hurry.

But there are some inconveniences that are a pain in the butt, as mentioned above, that you don't have with IC. Personally, I wouldn't have one, even though I have ridden thousands of miles in hers. And without rebates, they are super expensive. OTOH, her daughter has had one for many years, she lives in a big city and never goes on road trips, and she likes hers just fine.

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I'd have no problem owning one if:

I lived in a city.

I worked from home so only needed it to commute around for groceries and errands.

I never took long road trips.

I didn't live someplace where the winters are bitter cold.

I never hauled trailers, boats, or other heavy loads.

… I can go on and on, but until they figure things out beyond it being a moderate climate grocery getter, they are a product that I have no use for.

Take the shot and buy an EV…..and shut up and like it.

(05-07-2025 07:14 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I'd have no problem owning one if:

I lived in a city.

I worked from home so only needed it to commute around for groceries and errands.

I never took long road trips.

I didn't live someplace where the winters are bitter cold.

I never hauled trailers, boats, or other heavy loads.

… I can go on and on, but until they figure things out beyond it being a moderate climate grocery getter, they are a product that I have no use for.

I qualify on all of your conditions (other than living in a city), and I still see no use for one for me. My personal vehicles are 2015, 2007, and 2002, all low mileage and all well maintained. I *might* put $100 worth of gas in *all* of them combined in a typical month.

What besides vanity would cause me to want an EV? I don't look down on anyone that wants one, I just can't see it for myself.

Hell I've never even ridden in one.

If the things I referenced were not an issue and longevity and battery replacement cost wasn't a nightmare and if the price was comparable to current rigs without the government altering the market I'd have no issue with it. They drive well for a sedan. But make no mistake, they are small grocery getters.

I don't have a use for a little sedan and the "trucks" they try to pass off as trucks are flat out ridiculous.

I'll probably own one eventually but it probably won't be for another 15 years.

(05-07-2025 07:52 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If the things I referenced were not an issue and longevity and battery replacement cost wasn't a nightmare and if the price was comparable to current rigs without the government altering the market I'd have no issue with it. They drive well for a sedan. But make no mistake, they are small grocery getters.

I don't have a use for a little sedan and the "trucks" they try to pass off as trucks are flat out ridiculous.

I'll probably own one eventually but it probably won't be for another 15 years.

The Tesla Y is a nice sized sedan, not tiny like the original model. S?

And my sister and I take several long road trips a year in her Y. Have one coming up next week, in fact.

Never a problem. Plenty of Tesla superchargers in most places, and the cars are programmed to locate the closest ones and guide you there.

Of course, we never get in a big hurry, so it's never an issue for us. Usually take about 15 minutes to recharge to 80%. Not that much longer than getting gas and visint the bathroom.

The ride is extremely smooth, and the seats are more comfortable than any sedan I ever had.

I personally wouldn't own one, but I can see how people in certain circumstances, like you mentioned, would like them.

Proof the Leftist Communists are stupid. They want everyone to live in the city, do away with coal burning power plants AND drive EVs.

(05-06-2025 11:03 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Public charging is pricey and something EV zealots fail to mention is once your vehicle hits 80% the cost increases because the charge rate slows down.

Wait a minute... I thought it was free to charge them? I thought that was supposed to be a selling point... that they were cheaper.

(05-07-2025 08:07 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 11:03 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Public charging is pricey and something EV zealots fail to mention is once your vehicle hits 80% the cost increases because the charge rate slows down.

Wait a minute... I thought it was free to charge them? I thought that was supposed to be a selling point... that they were cheaper.

I cant tell you how many times I have hit elvis over the head on this one issue. The current battery technologies require much more charge current once the batteries get above 80%.

The dealer that sold my son in law and daughter theirs said to not charge it above 80%, but didnt say why. The reason is the shock you will get when you see how much that final 20% cost you.

(05-06-2025 11:03 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Yesterday marked one month that we bought my wife an EV and thought I'd give an honest opinion. Short version of below. It works great for us, but it 100% is not for everybody, or even most people. Any sort of government mandate for EVs is absolute insanity considering how many people live in apartments. Public charging is almost as expensive as gas and way more inconvient.

Cons-

Traveling is/would be a pain in the ass. We drove it the 200ish miles to Memphis to visit friends from Nashville and range drops significantly at the speeds I drive on the interstate. The nav software is smart enough to plan a l3 charger in route so we stopped in Jackson for lunch and to let the kids release some energy. Public charging is pricey and something EV zealots fail to mention is once your vehicle hits 80% the cost increases because the charge rate slows down. The Tesla supercharger in Jackson didn't, but the Pilot charger we stopped at on the way home charged $1 for every minute past 80%.

I know people say it's perfectly fine to road trip in an EV, but we go on long road trips and stopping every 2-3 hours for 30 minutes would be absolute dog crap.

Home charging on a L1 charger would also be impossible for someone like me that drives 60 miles round trip for work everyday. You need at least a l2 charger and that requires a 220 outlet accessible for a charger. I knew this going into it and one of the reasons we picked the ford mach-e was because Ford included a L2 charger installed and our panel is in our garage. If you live in an apartment and had any sort of decent commute I don't know how an EV would work for you.

Pros-

The thing is just fun to drive. It has the same acceleration feel as my Viper but it's just smooth as butter. Nothing will compare to the rumble of a big block ICE, but for someone like my wife that doesn't care about that, she loves the speed of it.

Range for her is insignificant. She is a nurse and drives roughly 20 miles on a busy day with the kids, usually no more than 10. I calculated our home charging cost for the past month at about $15. Taking away the trip to Memphis and comparing it to the MPG of her old SUV, saved about $60 in gas this month.

I'm sold enough that it's time to retire a couple of my company vans and I think I will replace them with EVs. Still need an ICE for out of town work, but for the in town service guys the numbers make sense.

Thanks for the honest feedback. Now, enough about the EV, tells us about the VIPER!!

(05-07-2025 08:29 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 11:03 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Yesterday marked one month that we bought my wife an EV and thought I'd give an honest opinion. Short version of below. It works great for us, but it 100% is not for everybody, or even most people. Any sort of government mandate for EVs is absolute insanity considering how many people live in apartments. Public charging is almost as expensive as gas and way more inconvient.

Cons-

Traveling is/would be a pain in the ass. We drove it the 200ish miles to Memphis to visit friends from Nashville and range drops significantly at the speeds I drive on the interstate. The nav software is smart enough to plan a l3 charger in route so we stopped in Jackson for lunch and to let the kids release some energy. Public charging is pricey and something EV zealots fail to mention is once your vehicle hits 80% the cost increases because the charge rate slows down. The Tesla supercharger in Jackson didn't, but the Pilot charger we stopped at on the way home charged $1 for every minute past 80%.

I know people say it's perfectly fine to road trip in an EV, but we go on long road trips and stopping every 2-3 hours for 30 minutes would be absolute dog crap.

Home charging on a L1 charger would also be impossible for someone like me that drives 60 miles round trip for work everyday. You need at least a l2 charger and that requires a 220 outlet accessible for a charger. I knew this going into it and one of the reasons we picked the ford mach-e was because Ford included a L2 charger installed and our panel is in our garage. If you live in an apartment and had any sort of decent commute I don't know how an EV would work for you.

Pros-

The thing is just fun to drive. It has the same acceleration feel as my Viper but it's just smooth as butter. Nothing will compare to the rumble of a big block ICE, but for someone like my wife that doesn't care about that, she loves the speed of it.

Range for her is insignificant. She is a nurse and drives roughly 20 miles on a busy day with the kids, usually no more than 10. I calculated our home charging cost for the past month at about $15. Taking away the trip to Memphis and comparing it to the MPG of her old SUV, saved about $60 in gas this month.

I'm sold enough that it's time to retire a couple of my company vans and I think I will replace them with EVs. Still need an ICE for out of town work, but for the in town service guys the numbers make sense.

Thanks for the honest feedback. Now, enough about the EV, tells us about the VIPER!!

She's an old girl, 95. Doesn't have the HP of modern sports cars, but the damn thing weighs almost nothing except for the engine. No ABS, no traction control just raw power.

(05-07-2025 08:29 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 11:03 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Yesterday marked one month that we bought my wife an EV and thought I'd give an honest opinion. Short version of below. It works great for us, but it 100% is not for everybody, or even most people. Any sort of government mandate for EVs is absolute insanity considering how many people live in apartments. Public charging is almost as expensive as gas and way more inconvient.

Cons-

Traveling is/would be a pain in the ass. We drove it the 200ish miles to Memphis to visit friends from Nashville and range drops significantly at the speeds I drive on the interstate. The nav software is smart enough to plan a l3 charger in route so we stopped in Jackson for lunch and to let the kids release some energy. Public charging is pricey and something EV zealots fail to mention is once your vehicle hits 80% the cost increases because the charge rate slows down. The Tesla supercharger in Jackson didn't, but the Pilot charger we stopped at on the way home charged $1 for every minute past 80%.

I know people say it's perfectly fine to road trip in an EV, but we go on long road trips and stopping every 2-3 hours for 30 minutes would be absolute dog crap.

Home charging on a L1 charger would also be impossible for someone like me that drives 60 miles round trip for work everyday. You need at least a l2 charger and that requires a 220 outlet accessible for a charger. I knew this going into it and one of the reasons we picked the ford mach-e was because Ford included a L2 charger installed and our panel is in our garage. If you live in an apartment and had any sort of decent commute I don't know how an EV would work for you.

Pros-

The thing is just fun to drive. It has the same acceleration feel as my Viper but it's just smooth as butter. Nothing will compare to the rumble of a big block ICE, but for someone like my wife that doesn't care about that, she loves the speed of it.

Range for her is insignificant. She is a nurse and drives roughly 20 miles on a busy day with the kids, usually no more than 10. I calculated our home charging cost for the past month at about $15. Taking away the trip to Memphis and comparing it to the MPG of her old SUV, saved about $60 in gas this month.

I'm sold enough that it's time to retire a couple of my company vans and I think I will replace them with EVs. Still need an ICE for out of town work, but for the in town service guys the numbers make sense.

Thanks for the honest feedback. Now, enough about the EV, tells us about the VIPER!!

Pics, too, please!

I wanted a Viper since the 1st time I saw one.

Run the Viper against the Mach-E and tell us how it turns out.

(05-07-2025 08:12 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 08:07 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 11:03 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Public charging is pricey and something EV zealots fail to mention is once your vehicle hits 80% the cost increases because the charge rate slows down.

Wait a minute... I thought it was free to charge them? I thought that was supposed to be a selling point... that they were cheaper.

I cant tell you how many times I have hit elvis over the head on this one issue. The current battery technologies require much more charge current once the batteries get above 80%.

The dealer that sold my son in law and daughter theirs said to not charge it above 80%, but didnt say why. The reason is the shock you will get when you see how much that final 20% cost you.

And when the battery goes out your real value plummets

Get rid of it before the warranty is up

Friend has one under warranty with a bad battery and six months later still no replacement

(05-07-2025 08:45 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 08:29 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 11:03 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Yesterday marked one month that we bought my wife an EV and thought I'd give an honest opinion. Short version of below. It works great for us, but it 100% is not for everybody, or even most people. Any sort of government mandate for EVs is absolute insanity considering how many people live in apartments. Public charging is almost as expensive as gas and way more inconvient.

Cons-

Traveling is/would be a pain in the ass. We drove it the 200ish miles to Memphis to visit friends from Nashville and range drops significantly at the speeds I drive on the interstate. The nav software is smart enough to plan a l3 charger in route so we stopped in Jackson for lunch and to let the kids release some energy. Public charging is pricey and something EV zealots fail to mention is once your vehicle hits 80% the cost increases because the charge rate slows down. The Tesla supercharger in Jackson didn't, but the Pilot charger we stopped at on the way home charged $1 for every minute past 80%.

I know people say it's perfectly fine to road trip in an EV, but we go on long road trips and stopping every 2-3 hours for 30 minutes would be absolute dog crap.

Home charging on a L1 charger would also be impossible for someone like me that drives 60 miles round trip for work everyday. You need at least a l2 charger and that requires a 220 outlet accessible for a charger. I knew this going into it and one of the reasons we picked the ford mach-e was because Ford included a L2 charger installed and our panel is in our garage. If you live in an apartment and had any sort of decent commute I don't know how an EV would work for you.

Pros-

The thing is just fun to drive. It has the same acceleration feel as my Viper but it's just smooth as butter. Nothing will compare to the rumble of a big block ICE, but for someone like my wife that doesn't care about that, she loves the speed of it.

Range for her is insignificant. She is a nurse and drives roughly 20 miles on a busy day with the kids, usually no more than 10. I calculated our home charging cost for the past month at about $15. Taking away the trip to Memphis and comparing it to the MPG of her old SUV, saved about $60 in gas this month.

I'm sold enough that it's time to retire a couple of my company vans and I think I will replace them with EVs. Still need an ICE for out of town work, but for the in town service guys the numbers make sense.

Thanks for the honest feedback. Now, enough about the EV, tells us about the VIPER!!

She's an old girl, 95. Doesn't have the HP of modern sports cars, but the damn thing weighs almost nothing except for the engine. No ABS, no traction control just raw power.

Sounds awesome. Back when I was a commercial loan officer I financed a customer's VIPER. Damn thing was nice. I asked, and he obliged, to give me a ride. He wouldn't let me drive it though. Can't say that I blame him!

(05-07-2025 08:55 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 08:12 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-07-2025 08:07 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 11:03 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Public charging is pricey and something EV zealots fail to mention is once your vehicle hits 80% the cost increases because the charge rate slows down.

Wait a minute... I thought it was free to charge them? I thought that was supposed to be a selling point... that they were cheaper.

I cant tell you how many times I have hit elvis over the head on this one issue. The current battery technologies require much more charge current once the batteries get above 80%.

The dealer that sold my son in law and daughter theirs said to not charge it above 80%, but didnt say why. The reason is the shock you will get when you see how much that final 20% cost you.

And when the battery goes out your real value plummets

Get rid of it before the warranty is up

Friend has one under warranty with a bad battery and six months later still no replacement

Good grief. That's almost like false advertising.

(05-07-2025 08:29 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-06-2025 11:03 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Yesterday marked one month that we bought my wife an EV and thought I'd give an honest opinion. Short version of below. It works great for us, but it 100% is not for everybody, or even most people. Any sort of government mandate for EVs is absolute insanity considering how many people live in apartments. Public charging is almost as expensive as gas and way more inconvient.

Cons-

Traveling is/would be a pain in the ass. We drove it the 200ish miles to Memphis to visit friends from Nashville and range drops significantly at the speeds I drive on the interstate. The nav software is smart enough to plan a l3 charger in route so we stopped in Jackson for lunch and to let the kids release some energy. Public charging is pricey and something EV zealots fail to mention is once your vehicle hits 80% the cost increases because the charge rate slows down. The Tesla supercharger in Jackson didn't, but the Pilot charger we stopped at on the way home charged $1 for every minute past 80%.

I know people say it's perfectly fine to road trip in an EV, but we go on long road trips and stopping every 2-3 hours for 30 minutes would be absolute dog crap.

Home charging on a L1 charger would also be impossible for someone like me that drives 60 miles round trip for work everyday. You need at least a l2 charger and that requires a 220 outlet accessible for a charger. I knew this going into it and one of the reasons we picked the ford mach-e was because Ford included a L2 charger installed and our panel is in our garage. If you live in an apartment and had any sort of decent commute I don't know how an EV would work for you.

Pros-

The thing is just fun to drive. It has the same acceleration feel as my Viper but it's just smooth as butter. Nothing will compare to the rumble of a big block ICE, but for someone like my wife that doesn't care about that, she loves the speed of it.

Range for her is insignificant. She is a nurse and drives roughly 20 miles on a busy day with the kids, usually no more than 10. I calculated our home charging cost for the past month at about $15. Taking away the trip to Memphis and comparing it to the MPG of her old SUV, saved about $60 in gas this month.

I'm sold enough that it's time to retire a couple of my company vans and I think I will replace them with EVs. Still need an ICE for out of town work, but for the in town service guys the numbers make sense.

Thanks for the honest feedback. Now, enough about the EV, tells us about the VIPER!!

I owned an ACR back in the day. You havent lived until you feel what pulling 1g around a corner does to the skin on your face.

For those that live in west TN, one of the best corners for doing this was going north on ridgeway and getting onto 385.