(03-18-2025 10:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Because they don't appear to be putting any thought into it. Why fire IG's who find issues? They likely weren't all incompetent. Train them or add more inspectors, or at least perform an actual valuation of them. Doing this will likely only open up more avenues for fraud.
And how many people did they just fire only to realize that, oh ****, we need these people? People who worked on nukes and such.
Sure, they are free to cancel programs they don't like or see as ineffective, but they were legal programs with funds approved by congress. But the monies for these things were mere peanuts in the grand scheme. And they bolstered our standing in other parts of the world. And lots of them dealt with trying to stop diseases and sickness and **** that if left unchecked could make it to our shores eventually.
Circumcisions and Sesame Street aren't likely to bolster our standing and last I checked nuclear weapons are maintained by the military. There may be some civilian oversight but I doubt any were in jeopardy.
You want to continue down the path that has lead us to where we are. It didn't work before and won't now. We are going to have to experience short term pain for the long term health of our country. Kicking the can down the road has been the answer up to now.
Guessing you didn't actually look at the story I posted a few weeks back about that Sesame Street program, did you?
No I didn't. Did it explain how paying for Sesame Street in Iraq endeared us to them and was not a waste of money? I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find an article that explains how any one of these examples of stupidity is legit and should be continued. The sad part is some will read such an article nodding their heads in agreement despite the obvious waste it is.
I don't know how anyone can be a Christian and pro-life and not see a benefit to programs like these, for a small price to one of the richest nations:
Not to mention the DOGE original claim misses facts...which seems to be a feature and not a bug.
Quote:However, the claim appears to conflate a kids' TV show featuring "Sesame Street" characters and broadcast in Arabic across numerous countries, including Iraq, with a USAID-funded educational project called Ahlan Simsim Iraq. An archived page from the USAID website shows the agency provided funding for Ahlan Simsim Iraq in 2021. The name "Ahlan Simsim" applies to both the TV show and an early childhood development program targeting families in conflict zones.
The archived USAID webpage said the agency would provide $20 million in funding to Sesame Workshop, the nonprofit behind "Sesame Street," between July 2021 and June 2027 to produce Ahlan Simsim Iraq, the early childhood development program.
A Sesame Workshop spokesperson said via email that the "Ahlan Simsim" TV show is funded separately from the Ahlan Simsim Iraq early childhood development program. They added that only the latter received USAID money.
Being Christian and Pro-Life have absolutely nothing to do with keeping the majority of taxpayer dollars in this country to support and protect our citizens first and foremost you retarded imbecile.
(03-18-2025 10:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Because they don't appear to be putting any thought into it. Why fire IG's who find issues? They likely weren't all incompetent. Train them or add more inspectors, or at least perform an actual valuation of them. Doing this will likely only open up more avenues for fraud.
And how many people did they just fire only to realize that, oh ****, we need these people? People who worked on nukes and such.
Sure, they are free to cancel programs they don't like or see as ineffective, but they were legal programs with funds approved by congress. But the monies for these things were mere peanuts in the grand scheme. And they bolstered our standing in other parts of the world. And lots of them dealt with trying to stop diseases and sickness and **** that if left unchecked could make it to our shores eventually.
Circumcisions and Sesame Street aren't likely to bolster our standing and last I checked nuclear weapons are maintained by the military. There may be some civilian oversight but I doubt any were in jeopardy.
You want to continue down the path that has lead us to where we are. It didn't work before and won't now. We are going to have to experience short term pain for the long term health of our country. Kicking the can down the road has been the answer up to now.
Guessing you didn't actually look at the story I posted a few weeks back about that Sesame Street program, did you?
No I didn't. Did it explain how paying for Sesame Street in Iraq endeared us to them and was not a waste of money? I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find an article that explains how any one of these examples of stupidity is legit and should be continued. The sad part is some will read such an article nodding their heads in agreement despite the obvious waste it is.
I don't know how anyone can be a Christian and pro-life and not see a benefit to programs like these, for a small price to one of the richest nations:
Not to mention the DOGE original claim misses facts...which seems to be a feature and not a bug.
Quote:However, the claim appears to conflate a kids' TV show featuring "Sesame Street" characters and broadcast in Arabic across numerous countries, including Iraq, with a USAID-funded educational project called Ahlan Simsim Iraq. An archived page from the USAID website shows the agency provided funding for Ahlan Simsim Iraq in 2021. The name "Ahlan Simsim" applies to both the TV show and an early childhood development program targeting families in conflict zones.
The archived USAID webpage said the agency would provide $20 million in funding to Sesame Workshop, the nonprofit behind "Sesame Street," between July 2021 and June 2027 to produce Ahlan Simsim Iraq, the early childhood development program.
A Sesame Workshop spokesperson said via email that the "Ahlan Simsim" TV show is funded separately from the Ahlan Simsim Iraq early childhood development program. They added that only the latter received USAID money.
You claim to be a Christian yet support abortion so that's pretty hypocritical on your part. How much impact do you really think Sesame Street has in Muslim countries like Iraq? I can't even believe we are debating this.
(03-18-2025 11:03 AM)bearcat65 Wrote: Circumcisions and Sesame Street aren't likely to bolster our standing and last I checked nuclear weapons are maintained by the military. There may be some civilian oversight but I doubt any were in jeopardy.
You want to continue down the path that has lead us to where we are. It didn't work before and won't now. We are going to have to experience short term pain for the long term health of our country. Kicking the can down the road has been the answer up to now.
Guessing you didn't actually look at the story I posted a few weeks back about that Sesame Street program, did you?
No I didn't. Did it explain how paying for Sesame Street in Iraq endeared us to them and was not a waste of money? I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find an article that explains how any one of these examples of stupidity is legit and should be continued. The sad part is some will read such an article nodding their heads in agreement despite the obvious waste it is.
I don't know how anyone can be a Christian and pro-life and not see a benefit to programs like these, for a small price to one of the richest nations:
Not to mention the DOGE original claim misses facts...which seems to be a feature and not a bug.
Quote:However, the claim appears to conflate a kids' TV show featuring "Sesame Street" characters and broadcast in Arabic across numerous countries, including Iraq, with a USAID-funded educational project called Ahlan Simsim Iraq. An archived page from the USAID website shows the agency provided funding for Ahlan Simsim Iraq in 2021. The name "Ahlan Simsim" applies to both the TV show and an early childhood development program targeting families in conflict zones.
The archived USAID webpage said the agency would provide $20 million in funding to Sesame Workshop, the nonprofit behind "Sesame Street," between July 2021 and June 2027 to produce Ahlan Simsim Iraq, the early childhood development program.
A Sesame Workshop spokesperson said via email that the "Ahlan Simsim" TV show is funded separately from the Ahlan Simsim Iraq early childhood development program. They added that only the latter received USAID money.
You claim to be a Christian yet support abortion so that's pretty hypocritical on your part. How much impact do you really think Sesame Street has in Muslim countries like Iraq? I can't even believe we are debating this.
I don't "support" abortion. I've made my stance on this known for years now and it hasn't changed.
Never had one, not a woman, and never counseled anyone to get one nor would I. Rather I support contraception, education, and adoption. I have NO standing to tell any woman what to do with her body in consultation with medical professionals. Move along.
(03-18-2025 12:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Guessing you didn't actually look at the story I posted a few weeks back about that Sesame Street program, did you?
No I didn't. Did it explain how paying for Sesame Street in Iraq endeared us to them and was not a waste of money? I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find an article that explains how any one of these examples of stupidity is legit and should be continued. The sad part is some will read such an article nodding their heads in agreement despite the obvious waste it is.
I don't know how anyone can be a Christian and pro-life and not see a benefit to programs like these, for a small price to one of the richest nations:
Not to mention the DOGE original claim misses facts...which seems to be a feature and not a bug.
Quote:However, the claim appears to conflate a kids' TV show featuring "Sesame Street" characters and broadcast in Arabic across numerous countries, including Iraq, with a USAID-funded educational project called Ahlan Simsim Iraq. An archived page from the USAID website shows the agency provided funding for Ahlan Simsim Iraq in 2021. The name "Ahlan Simsim" applies to both the TV show and an early childhood development program targeting families in conflict zones.
The archived USAID webpage said the agency would provide $20 million in funding to Sesame Workshop, the nonprofit behind "Sesame Street," between July 2021 and June 2027 to produce Ahlan Simsim Iraq, the early childhood development program.
A Sesame Workshop spokesperson said via email that the "Ahlan Simsim" TV show is funded separately from the Ahlan Simsim Iraq early childhood development program. They added that only the latter received USAID money.
You claim to be a Christian yet support abortion so that's pretty hypocritical on your part. How much impact do you really think Sesame Street has in Muslim countries like Iraq? I can't even believe we are debating this.
I don't "support" abortion. I've made my stance on this known for years now and it hasn't changed.
Never had one, not a woman, and never counseled anyone to get one nor would I. Rather I support contraception, education, and adoption. I have NO standing to tell any woman what to do with her body in consultation with medical professionals. Move along.
As a Christian you don't owe me an explanation and if you think the one you provided is going to fly with who a Christian is supposed to owe the explanation to then I wish you good luck.
Federal judge orders DOGE to stop all activity with USAID, says their actions were most likely unconstitutional.
“Chuang granted in part their request for a preliminary injunction and said in a 68-page decision that DOGE and Musk likely violated the Constitution's Appointments Clause and separation of powers.
He ordered Musk and task force employees to reinstate access to email, payment and other electronic systems to all current USAID employees and personal services contractors. The judge also prevented DOGE and Musk from taking any action relating to the shutdown of USAID, including placing employees on administrative leave, firing USAID workers, closing its buildings, bureaus or offices, and deleting the contents of its websites or collections.
DOGE and Musk are prohibited under the judge's order from taking any other actions relating to USAID without the "express authorization" of an agency official with legal authority to take the action”
The same Judge also said that there is plenty of evidence that Elon Musk is the head of DOGE based on Trumps statements and this likely violates the constitutions appointments clause.
(03-18-2025 01:21 PM)bearcat65 Wrote: No I didn't. Did it explain how paying for Sesame Street in Iraq endeared us to them and was not a waste of money? I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find an article that explains how any one of these examples of stupidity is legit and should be continued. The sad part is some will read such an article nodding their heads in agreement despite the obvious waste it is.
I don't know how anyone can be a Christian and pro-life and not see a benefit to programs like these, for a small price to one of the richest nations:
Not to mention the DOGE original claim misses facts...which seems to be a feature and not a bug.
Quote:However, the claim appears to conflate a kids' TV show featuring "Sesame Street" characters and broadcast in Arabic across numerous countries, including Iraq, with a USAID-funded educational project called Ahlan Simsim Iraq. An archived page from the USAID website shows the agency provided funding for Ahlan Simsim Iraq in 2021. The name "Ahlan Simsim" applies to both the TV show and an early childhood development program targeting families in conflict zones.
The archived USAID webpage said the agency would provide $20 million in funding to Sesame Workshop, the nonprofit behind "Sesame Street," between July 2021 and June 2027 to produce Ahlan Simsim Iraq, the early childhood development program.
A Sesame Workshop spokesperson said via email that the "Ahlan Simsim" TV show is funded separately from the Ahlan Simsim Iraq early childhood development program. They added that only the latter received USAID money.
You claim to be a Christian yet support abortion so that's pretty hypocritical on your part. How much impact do you really think Sesame Street has in Muslim countries like Iraq? I can't even believe we are debating this.
I don't "support" abortion. I've made my stance on this known for years now and it hasn't changed.
Never had one, not a woman, and never counseled anyone to get one nor would I. Rather I support contraception, education, and adoption. I have NO standing to tell any woman what to do with her body in consultation with medical professionals. Move along.
As a Christian you don't owe me an explanation and if you think the one you provided is going to fly with who a Christian is supposed to owe the explanation to then I wish you good luck.
I don't pretend to speak for other Christians nor do I expect to change any of their beliefs on this subject. I'm at complete peace with my stance on this and know where I'm going.
(03-18-2025 02:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: I don't know how anyone can be a Christian and pro-life and not see a benefit to programs like these, for a small price to one of the richest nations:
Not to mention the DOGE original claim misses facts...which seems to be a feature and not a bug.
You claim to be a Christian yet support abortion so that's pretty hypocritical on your part. How much impact do you really think Sesame Street has in Muslim countries like Iraq? I can't even believe we are debating this.
I don't "support" abortion. I've made my stance on this known for years now and it hasn't changed.
Never had one, not a woman, and never counseled anyone to get one nor would I. Rather I support contraception, education, and adoption. I have NO standing to tell any woman what to do with her body in consultation with medical professionals. Move along.
As a Christian you don't owe me an explanation and if you think the one you provided is going to fly with who a Christian is supposed to owe the explanation to then I wish you good luck.
I don't pretend to speak for other Christians nor do I expect to change any of their beliefs on this subject. I'm at complete peace with my stance on this and know where I'm going.
(03-19-2025 07:40 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote: Federal judge orders DOGE to stop all activity with USAID, says their actions were most likely unconstitutional.
“Chuang granted in part their request for a preliminary injunction and said in a 68-page decision that DOGE and Musk likely violated the Constitution's Appointments Clause and separation of powers.
He ordered Musk and task force employees to reinstate access to email, payment and other electronic systems to all current USAID employees and personal services contractors. The judge also prevented DOGE and Musk from taking any action relating to the shutdown of USAID, including placing employees on administrative leave, firing USAID workers, closing its buildings, bureaus or offices, and deleting the contents of its websites or collections.
DOGE and Musk are prohibited under the judge's order from taking any other actions relating to USAID without the "express authorization" of an agency official with legal authority to take the action”
So now this judge declares an “agency official” is superior to the President of the United States? The single authority over that agency is by constitutional power the POTUS. So who here is standing against the constitution?
Why is common sense in such short supply with progressives?
(03-19-2025 07:40 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote: Federal judge orders DOGE to stop all activity with USAID, says their actions were most likely unconstitutional.
“Chuang granted in part their request for a preliminary injunction and said in a 68-page decision that DOGE and Musk likely violated the Constitution's Appointments Clause and separation of powers.
He ordered Musk and task force employees to reinstate access to email, payment and other electronic systems to all current USAID employees and personal services contractors. The judge also prevented DOGE and Musk from taking any action relating to the shutdown of USAID, including placing employees on administrative leave, firing USAID workers, closing its buildings, bureaus or offices, and deleting the contents of its websites or collections.
DOGE and Musk are prohibited under the judge's order from taking any other actions relating to USAID without the "express authorization" of an agency official with legal authority to take the action”
Quote:CHESS, NOT CHECKERS??: A senior official at Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency is taking a leadership role at the U.S. Agency for International Development, giving DOGE direct authority over an agency that it has worked to dismantle, according to an email obtained by The Associated Press.
Pete Marocco, a Trump administration political appointee who was serving as deputy head of USAID, disclosed the change in the email to State Department staff. It comes after Marocco and DOGE oversaw the gutting of 83% of USAID contracts, shifting the remaining programs under the State Department.
Marocco said in his email that he will serve as the State Department’s head of foreign assistance.
Marocco wrote that Secretary of State Marco Rubio will “effective immediately” designate Jeremy Lewin as deputy administrator for policy and programs at USAID and as chief operating officer.
(03-19-2025 07:40 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote: Federal judge orders DOGE to stop all activity with USAID, says their actions were most likely unconstitutional.
“Chuang granted in part their request for a preliminary injunction and said in a 68-page decision that DOGE and Musk likely violated the Constitution's Appointments Clause and separation of powers.
He ordered Musk and task force employees to reinstate access to email, payment and other electronic systems to all current USAID employees and personal services contractors. The judge also prevented DOGE and Musk from taking any action relating to the shutdown of USAID, including placing employees on administrative leave, firing USAID workers, closing its buildings, bureaus or offices, and deleting the contents of its websites or collections.
DOGE and Musk are prohibited under the judge's order from taking any other actions relating to USAID without the "express authorization" of an agency official with legal authority to take the action”
So now this judge declares an “agency official” is superior to the President of the United States? The single authority over that agency is by constitutional power the POTUS. So who here is standing against the constitution?
Why is common sense in such short supply with progressives?
US aid is chartered by Congress.
“Unless abolished pursuant to the reorganization plan submitted under section 6601 of this title, and except as provided in section 6562 of this title, there is within the Executive branch of Government the United States Agency for International Development as an entity described in section 104 of title 5.”
Firing everyone without a reorganization plan is going to be illegal. There are checks and balances on executors power. Congress has the power of the purse, the judicial branch steps in if you violate the law, and civil servants have legal protection.
(03-19-2025 07:40 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote: Federal judge orders DOGE to stop all activity with USAID, says their actions were most likely unconstitutional.
“Chuang granted in part their request for a preliminary injunction and said in a 68-page decision that DOGE and Musk likely violated the Constitution's Appointments Clause and separation of powers.
He ordered Musk and task force employees to reinstate access to email, payment and other electronic systems to all current USAID employees and personal services contractors. The judge also prevented DOGE and Musk from taking any action relating to the shutdown of USAID, including placing employees on administrative leave, firing USAID workers, closing its buildings, bureaus or offices, and deleting the contents of its websites or collections.
DOGE and Musk are prohibited under the judge's order from taking any other actions relating to USAID without the "express authorization" of an agency official with legal authority to take the action”
So now this judge declares an “agency official” is superior to the President of the United States? The single authority over that agency is by constitutional power the POTUS. So who here is standing against the constitution?
Why is common sense in such short supply with progressives?
US aid is chartered by Congress.
“Unless abolished pursuant to the reorganization plan submitted under section 6601 of this title, and except as provided in section 6562 of this title, there is within the Executive branch of Government the United States Agency for International Development as an entity described in section 104 of title 5.”
Firing everyone without a reorganization plan is going to be illegal. There are checks and balances on executors power. Congress has the power of the purse, the judicial branch steps in if you violate the law, and civil servants have legal protection.
There is nothing that prevents the Trump admin from drastically reducing the size of the USAID agency.
