(03-04-2025 12:23 AM)hburg Wrote:  UK stated they would commit troops to the Ukraine for security. If they do send troops and are attacked, that would invoke Article 5 of the NATO clause. Putin already stated that any NATO Country in Ukraine would be seen as an act of war. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gxgxl3grgo

Europe is being stupid and on a war footing. Sadly, like WW1 and 2, the USA may be forced in it.

Europe is not on a war footing. Europe is on a cuck footing.

Russia is on a war footing. Look the term up.

(03-04-2025 05:41 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 10:22 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Z IS in no shape to refuse anything from the US. The US IS THE DON. Kiss the ring or you're done. This isn't hard.

Some people in this country just want endless wars no matter what. It's way past time that stops.

Our debt will take care of funding these wars long term.

Or will it?

Or will the people just keep taking cuts to our own standard of living and basic services in order to keep feeding the war beast?

I’m not sure.

(03-04-2025 07:51 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-04-2025 12:23 AM)hburg Wrote:  UK stated they would commit troops to the Ukraine for security. If they do send troops and are attacked, that would invoke Article 5 of the NATO clause. Putin already stated that any NATO Country in Ukraine would be seen as an act of war. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gxgxl3grgo

Europe is being stupid and on a war footing. Sadly, like WW1 and 2, the USA may be forced in it.

Europe is not on a war footing. Europe is on a cuck footing.

Russia is on a war footing. Look the term up.

Today's Europe has returned to being the mouthy condescending rich kid who just pissed off a thug. They don't know what it's like to take a punch to the face. They found out in May of 1940 when the Germans went around the Maginot Line and took Paris and began the Blitz shortly thereafter. Well, it's 2025 now and the speed of actual warfare makes Blitzkrieg look like a slog in the mud and none of their leadership remembers the pain of the punch in 1940 and they all think another such blow won't come. How can I say that? They saddled our asses with debt keeping their sorry butts safe and like Zelensky all the stupid bastardos do is criticize us, publicly. I ask you, is there anything in England, France or Germany that we need? Maybe they should think about that before they criticize us again or take sides with a midget puppet.

(03-04-2025 12:23 AM)hburg Wrote:  UK stated they would commit troops to the Ukraine for security. If they do send troops and are attacked, that would invoke Article 5 of the NATO clause. Putin already stated that any NATO Country in Ukraine would be seen as an act of war. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gxgxl3grgo

Europe is being stupid and on a war footing. Sadly, like WW1 and 2, the USA may be forced in it.

That’s not how article 5 works. A peacekeeping force in Ukraine isn’t inside the area of Europe defined as a member of NATO. France and the UK lost troops in Bosnia on peacekeeping missions.

Article 6

“For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:

on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.”

(03-04-2025 07:59 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(03-04-2025 05:41 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 10:22 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Z IS in no shape to refuse anything from the US. The US IS THE DON. Kiss the ring or you're done. This isn't hard.

Some people in this country just want endless wars no matter what. It's way past time that stops.

Our debt will take care of funding these wars long term.

Or will it?

Or will the people just keep taking cuts to our own standard of living and basic services in order to keep feeding the war beast?

I’m not sure.

That all depends on who carries the torch of the America First agenda after Trump leaves the White House on January 20, 2029. I'd like to think we'll still be turning away from foreign wars that have no bearing on us, but I can't say for certain.

(03-01-2025 02:42 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 01:51 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 01:42 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 01:38 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 01:27 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  A friend of mine who was once the county clerk of Liberty County (or was she the district clerk? I don't exactly remember) posted this on Facebook. She got it from a guy named Dave Golowski.


And that's why what happened was good for us. Some on our side aren't looking at the bigger picture. Well, there's the bigger picture, all laid out for everybody to see.

There was no secret to that. Trump said in the meeting yesterday that once Americans were mining in Ukraine that Russia wouldn't attack.

What happens tomorrow? Will there be a Ukraine to make a deal with and get our money and profit back from?

So you think we should sign up to protect Ukraine no matter what? To hell with that. We did that in VietNam, and it cost us 58,000 American lives. For what? Absolutely nothing

We signed up to protect Ukraine when they gave up nukes.

The threat was that in a decaying former USSR state they wouldn’t be able to secure nuclear weapons and they would be stolen / sold to the Middle East. The cost to keep those weapons out of the hands of potential terrorist states was our agreement to pledge support for the security and national sovereignty of Ukraine.

They kept up their side of the deal. We didn’t.

And that is what you get when you put your faith in American Politicians.

Throughout history American Politicians have been snakes. This goes all the way back to the American Indian dealings. If those dead tribesmen were still here to speak about their forked tongues I do wonder what stories we would hear.

(03-04-2025 09:04 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-04-2025 07:59 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(03-04-2025 05:41 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 10:22 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Z IS in no shape to refuse anything from the US. The US IS THE DON. Kiss the ring or you're done. This isn't hard.

Some people in this country just want endless wars no matter what. It's way past time that stops.

Our debt will take care of funding these wars long term.

Or will it?

Or will the people just keep taking cuts to our own standard of living and basic services in order to keep feeding the war beast?

I’m not sure.

That all depends on who carries the torch of the America First agenda after Trump leaves the White House on January 20, 2029. I'd like to think we'll still be turning away from foreign wars that have no bearing on us, but I can't say for certain.

The good thing is, the longer we have no foreign wars, the less people are used to it it being “normal,” the more challenging it gets to convince people it’s a great idea or one that is worth spending on endlessly.

If NATO gets involved in Ukraine, and Russia views that as an act of war and launches nukes in response, the US can simply ignore Article 5 and not participate.

If Europe wants to destroy itself again after the US tried desperate to help with diplomacy, then that’s the way it goes.

(03-04-2025 10:39 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  If NATO gets involved in Ukraine, and Russia views that as an act of war and launches nukes in response, the US can simply ignore Article 5 and not participate.

If Europe wants to destroy itself again after the US tried desperate to help with diplomacy, then that’s the way it goes.

We don't have to ignore Article 5. Ukraine is not a NATO country, so we have no obligation to join in a war.

(03-04-2025 09:09 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 02:42 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 01:51 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 01:42 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 01:38 PM)TripleA Wrote:  There was no secret to that. Trump said in the meeting yesterday that once Americans were mining in Ukraine that Russia wouldn't attack.

What happens tomorrow? Will there be a Ukraine to make a deal with and get our money and profit back from?

So you think we should sign up to protect Ukraine no matter what? To hell with that. We did that in VietNam, and it cost us 58,000 American lives. For what? Absolutely nothing

We signed up to protect Ukraine when they gave up nukes.

The threat was that in a decaying former USSR state they wouldn’t be able to secure nuclear weapons and they would be stolen / sold to the Middle East. The cost to keep those weapons out of the hands of potential terrorist states was our agreement to pledge support for the security and national sovereignty of Ukraine.

They kept up their side of the deal. We didn’t.

And that is what you get when you put your faith in American Politicians.

Throughout history American Politicians have been snakes. This goes all the way back to the American Indian dealings. If those dead tribesmen were still here to speak about their forked tongues I do wonder what stories we would hear.

Really sick of this lie. Ive read the Budapest Memorandum.

In no place does it say we are required to take action. It provides some justification if we do but is in no way require a legal obligation to defend Ukraine. Its not a treaty. Its a memorandum. Its not a pact. Its not even a real agreement.

Thats just retarded. The Soviets (Russia) owned the nukes anyway. If Wyoming secedes from the US do you think they get to keep "their nukes". Idiotic.

My god people are stupid. Get of the damn redditard and teh facebook.

FFS

Look it up for yourselves slavicucks.

I've got an extremely high level question on all of this.... what makes any of these stupid agreements legally binding at all? Every country has it's own set of laws.

(03-04-2025 10:42 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-04-2025 09:09 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 02:42 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 01:51 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 01:42 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  What happens tomorrow? Will there be a Ukraine to make a deal with and get our money and profit back from?

So you think we should sign up to protect Ukraine no matter what? To hell with that. We did that in VietNam, and it cost us 58,000 American lives. For what? Absolutely nothing

We signed up to protect Ukraine when they gave up nukes.

The threat was that in a decaying former USSR state they wouldn’t be able to secure nuclear weapons and they would be stolen / sold to the Middle East. The cost to keep those weapons out of the hands of potential terrorist states was our agreement to pledge support for the security and national sovereignty of Ukraine.

They kept up their side of the deal. We didn’t.

And that is what you get when you put your faith in American Politicians.

Throughout history American Politicians have been snakes. This goes all the way back to the American Indian dealings. If those dead tribesmen were still here to speak about their forked tongues I do wonder what stories we would hear.

Really sick of this lie. Ive read the Budapest Memorandum.

In no place does it say we are required to take action. It provides some justification if we do but is in no way require a legal obligation to defend Ukraine. Its not a treaty. Its a memorandum. Its not a pact. Its not even a real agreement.

Thats just retarded. The Soviets (Russia) owned the nukes anyway. If Wyoming secedes from the US do you think they get to keep "their nukes". Idiotic.

My god people are stupid. Get of the damn redditard and teh facebook.

FFS

Look it up for yourselves slavicucks.

They won’t look it up because they already “know.” Anything contrary to their lore is anti American propaganda.

Is it any wonder we have borrowed and wasted tens of trillions of dollars on stirring up trouble in every far flung corner of the globe we can find?

I guess having the UK as your backer doesn't mean that much anymore...quick change in attitude when the money spigot goes dry

(03-04-2025 11:00 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(03-04-2025 10:42 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-04-2025 09:09 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 02:42 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 01:51 PM)TripleA Wrote:  So you think we should sign up to protect Ukraine no matter what? To hell with that. We did that in VietNam, and it cost us 58,000 American lives. For what? Absolutely nothing

We signed up to protect Ukraine when they gave up nukes.

The threat was that in a decaying former USSR state they wouldn’t be able to secure nuclear weapons and they would be stolen / sold to the Middle East. The cost to keep those weapons out of the hands of potential terrorist states was our agreement to pledge support for the security and national sovereignty of Ukraine.

They kept up their side of the deal. We didn’t.

And that is what you get when you put your faith in American Politicians.

Throughout history American Politicians have been snakes. This goes all the way back to the American Indian dealings. If those dead tribesmen were still here to speak about their forked tongues I do wonder what stories we would hear.

Really sick of this lie. Ive read the Budapest Memorandum.

In no place does it say we are required to take action. It provides some justification if we do but is in no way require a legal obligation to defend Ukraine. Its not a treaty. Its a memorandum. Its not a pact. Its not even a real agreement.

Thats just retarded. The Soviets (Russia) owned the nukes anyway. If Wyoming secedes from the US do you think they get to keep "their nukes". Idiotic.

My god people are stupid. Get of the damn redditard and teh facebook.

FFS

Look it up for yourselves slavicucks.

They won’t look it up because they already “know.” Anything contrary to their lore is anti American propaganda.

Is it any wonder we have borrowed and wasted tens of trillions of dollars on stirring up trouble in every far flung corner of the globe we can find?

I dont totally disagree with that point but seem to think your homeland is not doing the same. America might give others the money to do the dirty work. Russia, is the more hands on country doing the same. You seem to forget to tell that part of the story.

Todor, I think I finally have a better understanding of you. I say that in order to say this: I've never liked Putin, nor ever will. However, given all the crap I've heard about Zelenskyy in the past few days, I won't be upset if Russia under Putin conquered Ukraine while Zelenskyy is still its president. In fact, I almost welcome it. Zelenskyy needs to go.

This war is ass though. It's really between two people who have very similar if not identical personalities. The only difference is the fact that Putin has a stronger military than Zelenskyy. That's it. (At least in my view; feel free to disagree.)

(03-04-2025 11:08 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(03-04-2025 11:00 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(03-04-2025 10:42 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-04-2025 09:09 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 02:42 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  We signed up to protect Ukraine when they gave up nukes.

The threat was that in a decaying former USSR state they wouldn’t be able to secure nuclear weapons and they would be stolen / sold to the Middle East. The cost to keep those weapons out of the hands of potential terrorist states was our agreement to pledge support for the security and national sovereignty of Ukraine.

They kept up their side of the deal. We didn’t.

And that is what you get when you put your faith in American Politicians.

Throughout history American Politicians have been snakes. This goes all the way back to the American Indian dealings. If those dead tribesmen were still here to speak about their forked tongues I do wonder what stories we would hear.

Really sick of this lie. Ive read the Budapest Memorandum.

In no place does it say we are required to take action. It provides some justification if we do but is in no way require a legal obligation to defend Ukraine. Its not a treaty. Its a memorandum. Its not a pact. Its not even a real agreement.

Thats just retarded. The Soviets (Russia) owned the nukes anyway. If Wyoming secedes from the US do you think they get to keep "their nukes". Idiotic.

My god people are stupid. Get of the damn redditard and teh facebook.

FFS

Look it up for yourselves slavicucks.

They won’t look it up because they already “know.” Anything contrary to their lore is anti American propaganda.

Is it any wonder we have borrowed and wasted tens of trillions of dollars on stirring up trouble in every far flung corner of the globe we can find?

I dont totally disagree with that point but seem to think your homeland is not doing the same. America might give others the money to do the dirty work. Russia, is the more hands on country doing the same. You seem to forget to tell that part of the story.

That’s where you should have shut up, instead of lapsing into complete idiocy.

(03-04-2025 11:13 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(03-04-2025 11:08 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(03-04-2025 11:00 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(03-04-2025 10:42 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-04-2025 09:09 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  And that is what you get when you put your faith in American Politicians.

Throughout history American Politicians have been snakes. This goes all the way back to the American Indian dealings. If those dead tribesmen were still here to speak about their forked tongues I do wonder what stories we would hear.

Really sick of this lie. Ive read the Budapest Memorandum.

In no place does it say we are required to take action. It provides some justification if we do but is in no way require a legal obligation to defend Ukraine. Its not a treaty. Its a memorandum. Its not a pact. Its not even a real agreement.

Thats just retarded. The Soviets (Russia) owned the nukes anyway. If Wyoming secedes from the US do you think they get to keep "their nukes". Idiotic.

My god people are stupid. Get of the damn redditard and teh facebook.

FFS

Look it up for yourselves slavicucks.

They won’t look it up because they already “know.” Anything contrary to their lore is anti American propaganda.

Is it any wonder we have borrowed and wasted tens of trillions of dollars on stirring up trouble in every far flung corner of the globe we can find?

I dont totally disagree with that point but seem to think your homeland is not doing the same. America might give others the money to do the dirty work. Russia, is the more hands on country doing the same. You seem to forget to tell that part of the story.

That’s where you should have shut up, instead of lapsing into complete idiocy.

You are a complete idiot if you don't think your homeland (Russia) is meddling in other countries..

(03-04-2025 10:42 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-04-2025 09:09 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 02:42 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 01:51 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 01:42 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  What happens tomorrow? Will there be a Ukraine to make a deal with and get our money and profit back from?

So you think we should sign up to protect Ukraine no matter what? To hell with that. We did that in VietNam, and it cost us 58,000 American lives. For what? Absolutely nothing

We signed up to protect Ukraine when they gave up nukes.

The threat was that in a decaying former USSR state they wouldn’t be able to secure nuclear weapons and they would be stolen / sold to the Middle East. The cost to keep those weapons out of the hands of potential terrorist states was our agreement to pledge support for the security and national sovereignty of Ukraine.

They kept up their side of the deal. We didn’t.

And that is what you get when you put your faith in American Politicians.

Throughout history American Politicians have been snakes. This goes all the way back to the American Indian dealings. If those dead tribesmen were still here to speak about their forked tongues I do wonder what stories we would hear.

Really sick of this lie. Ive read the Budapest Memorandum.

In no place does it say we are required to take action. It provides some justification if we do but is in no way require a legal obligation to defend Ukraine. Its not a treaty. Its a memorandum. Its not a pact. Its not even a real agreement.

Thats just retarded. The Soviets (Russia) owned the nukes anyway. If Wyoming secedes from the US do you think they get to keep "their nukes". Idiotic.

My god people are stupid. Get of the damn redditard and teh facebook.

FFS

Look it up for yourselves slavicucks.

I know Russia is a weak spot for you, but you do know that the USSR ceased to exist, right? The Soviets didn’t own anything.

Not an apology cokehead.

You fricked up. You are a liar and a weasel.

He didnt write this. The ones that want to hang him wrote it.

Pound sand.

(03-04-2025 10:41 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-04-2025 10:39 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  If NATO gets involved in Ukraine, and Russia views that as an act of war and launches nukes in response, the US can simply ignore Article 5 and not participate.

If Europe wants to destroy itself again after the US tried desperate to help with diplomacy, then that’s the way it goes.

We don't have to ignore Article 5. Ukraine is not a NATO country, so we have no obligation to join in a war.

If UK troops are attacked in Ukraine article 5 doesn’t apply.

If Russia bombs London Article 5 does apply because it’s within the territory of NATO.