(03-03-2025 08:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 07:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 07:30 PM)boss man Wrote:  WASHINGTON, March 3 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump has paused all military aid to Ukraine following his clash with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy last week, according to media reports on Monday.

The pause will last until Trump determines the country's leaders demonstrate a good-faith commitment to peace, according to Bloomberg and Fox News reports.

"This is not permanent termination of aid, it's a pause," Fox News quoted a Trump administration official as saying.

I wonder if Zelensky is getting the message.....

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-...025-03-04/

As I said from the start of this mess----the deal really didnt have anything in terms of a security guarantee---but Zelensky still needed to sign it because it did something just as important---it allowed the supply of weapons and ammo to his troops to continue until a peace deal was reached. Its his first responsibility to make sure his nation can survive the war----once thats done----then he can figure out how his nation can survive the peace. Should have showed up---in a suit---smiled---kept quiet---thanked the US----and walked out with a deal that gave his nation a good chance to survive. Im sure he'll eventually sign it---but this should not have been difficult.

You talk like this guy wants peace? The f'er wants the world to put their son's and daughters life on the line and push Russia home. Or destroy them. That is what the f'er wants. Not peace. Also understands that once the fighting stops Ukraine has zero shot of NATO. He thinks as long as Russia is fighting, at some point the EU and America will let them be part of NATO.

I think he wants NATO because he believes thats the best way to prevent another invasion. I think he is worried that it will happen again because its the 3rd invasion in a decade by Russia. But NATO is not happening----and the security guarnatees are like step #67 in completing the peace plan---and the peace plan participants are just on step #2.

Like I said before---he needs to do whats necessary to allow his nation to survive the war (which right now is sign the REM agreement)---then he can worry about the security guarantees in any peace deal once the shooting stops. If he cant do that---then he needs to get out of the way and let someone else lead. From what Ive read today---it sounds like he's ready to sign and probably do whatever groveling is necessary to get out of Trumps doghouse.

(03-03-2025 08:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 08:13 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What you going to hear is Putin is going to try with everything he has and take Ukraine because they wont have the arms needed. A lot of this world are flat out idiots because at this point Putin wants this over and probably more so than Ukraine. No probably to it, he wants it over, and looking for a way out. Dont want to give up what he took, but wants it over.

So no way is Russia going to make a hard push to take more of Ukraine. No matter how much land Russia took, they lost, in this war. There are no winners and to get to a end, Ukraine is going to lose the land Russia holds. Today, tomorrow, next year, the outcome in this is not changing.

The midget cant understand this and wants to get the EU and America into this war to get Russia all the way out of Ukraine. It's easy to see that's his goal. Russia, is not going tom make that hard push because that's the last thing they want. They also arent going to do it because Putin understands while Trump is pissed....he will give Ukraine just about what they want other than boots on the ground, if Russia tried to take advantage.

If people dont believe Putin is ready for a end, they are just dumb as f'. The world has seen the Russia army is not what people thought it was. If nukes were not a threat, as small as that is, its still "A" threat. But if not, with in a month, maybe a couple weeks NATO with America, would push Russia back home or destroy them.

That is how weak the Russian army is at this point. Putin knows this better than anyone, its why he wont escalate things and back Trump into funding Ukraine. Or pushing other countries to a point of putting their boots on the ground. The man wants this over as much as Trump does. But he's not going to let the world know that.

The f'ing idiots that believes Russia is a threat to the EU, are not only idiots but retarded. Hell it will take Russia 10, 15, 20 years to just get back to where their army was before the start of this war.

I don't believe those pushing the little man's buttons are idiots....

they understand there are 100s of billion more to be made here and that's what its about for them.

If Putin really wanted the war to be over more than he wants to accomplish his goals---it would already be over. If Putin was satisfied with his position and believed peace was right around the corner---one would think his forces would not still be in offensive mode. Yet the Russian forces are still throwing meat wave attacks at dug in positions. I think Putin is very willing to discuss peace---but only if he gets what amounts to a complete surrender to every demand on his wish list (at least, that is certainly what the public comments from Lavrov would seem to indicate). Im not sure publicly announcing that the defensive forces in Ukraine might soon be running low on ammo is the kind of thing to make Putin rush to the negotiating table.

Its one thing looking for a out to get it over its another to quit and lose face. Putin isnt doing that. He's also not giving the land his army took back. Not without something more valuable in return....

If you think Putin is just sitting back waiting for Ukraine's funding to dry up or stop then he makes a push...

well then I guess you are not thinking. While the EU and America has basically just set back and funded this for Ukraine I think the EU is not going to just let Russia take Ukraine. If it happened early nothing they could do about it. But at this point that's not going to happen without EU boots on the ground

(03-03-2025 07:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 07:30 PM)boss man Wrote:  WASHINGTON, March 3 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump has paused all military aid to Ukraine following his clash with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy last week, according to media reports on Monday.

The pause will last until Trump determines the country's leaders demonstrate a good-faith commitment to peace, according to Bloomberg and Fox News reports.

"This is not permanent termination of aid, it's a pause," Fox News quoted a Trump administration official as saying.

I wonder if Zelensky is getting the message.....

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-...025-03-04/

As I said from the start of this mess----the deal really didnt have anything in terms of a security guarantee---but Zelensky still needed to sign it because it did something just as important---it allowed the supply of weapons and ammo to his troops to continue until a peace deal was reached. Its his first responsibility to make sure his nation can survive the war----once thats done----then he can figure out how his nation can survive the peace. Should have showed up---in a suit---smiled---kept quiet---thanked the US----and walked out with a deal that gave his nation a good chance to survive. Im sure he'll eventually sign it---but this should not have been difficult.

Trump said today the offer is now off the table. And the first thing Z has to do is publicly apologize. That's not happening, and Trump froze all payments and military shipments to Ukraine today.

Take a hint Little Dark T-Shirt Zee...

(03-03-2025 09:00 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 07:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 07:30 PM)boss man Wrote:  WASHINGTON, March 3 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump has paused all military aid to Ukraine following his clash with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy last week, according to media reports on Monday.

The pause will last until Trump determines the country's leaders demonstrate a good-faith commitment to peace, according to Bloomberg and Fox News reports.

"This is not permanent termination of aid, it's a pause," Fox News quoted a Trump administration official as saying.

I wonder if Zelensky is getting the message.....

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-...025-03-04/

As I said from the start of this mess----the deal really didnt have anything in terms of a security guarantee---but Zelensky still needed to sign it because it did something just as important---it allowed the supply of weapons and ammo to his troops to continue until a peace deal was reached. Its his first responsibility to make sure his nation can survive the war----once thats done----then he can figure out how his nation can survive the peace. Should have showed up---in a suit---smiled---kept quiet---thanked the US----and walked out with a deal that gave his nation a good chance to survive. Im sure he'll eventually sign it---but this should not have been difficult.

Trump said today the offer is now off the table. And the first thing Z has to do is publicly apologize. That's not happening, and Trump froze all payments and military shipments to Ukraine today.

Had this one on deck. Knew it was coming.

Bwahahahaha

(03-03-2025 08:57 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 08:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 08:13 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What you going to hear is Putin is going to try with everything he has and take Ukraine because they wont have the arms needed. A lot of this world are flat out idiots because at this point Putin wants this over and probably more so than Ukraine. No probably to it, he wants it over, and looking for a way out. Dont want to give up what he took, but wants it over.

So no way is Russia going to make a hard push to take more of Ukraine. No matter how much land Russia took, they lost, in this war. There are no winners and to get to a end, Ukraine is going to lose the land Russia holds. Today, tomorrow, next year, the outcome in this is not changing.

The midget cant understand this and wants to get the EU and America into this war to get Russia all the way out of Ukraine. It's easy to see that's his goal. Russia, is not going tom make that hard push because that's the last thing they want. They also arent going to do it because Putin understands while Trump is pissed....he will give Ukraine just about what they want other than boots on the ground, if Russia tried to take advantage.

If people dont believe Putin is ready for a end, they are just dumb as f'. The world has seen the Russia army is not what people thought it was. If nukes were not a threat, as small as that is, its still "A" threat. But if not, with in a month, maybe a couple weeks NATO with America, would push Russia back home or destroy them.

That is how weak the Russian army is at this point. Putin knows this better than anyone, its why he wont escalate things and back Trump into funding Ukraine. Or pushing other countries to a point of putting their boots on the ground. The man wants this over as much as Trump does. But he's not going to let the world know that.

The f'ing idiots that believes Russia is a threat to the EU, are not only idiots but retarded. Hell it will take Russia 10, 15, 20 years to just get back to where their army was before the start of this war.

I don't believe those pushing the little man's buttons are idiots....

they understand there are 100s of billion more to be made here and that's what its about for them.

If Putin really wanted the war to be over more than he wants to accomplish his goals---it would already be over. If Putin was satisfied with his position and believed peace was right around the corner---one would think his forces would not still be in offensive mode. Yet the Russian forces are still throwing meat wave attacks at dug in positions. I think Putin is very willing to discuss peace---but only if he gets what amounts to a complete surrender to every demand on his wish list (at least, that is certainly what the public comments from Lavrov would seem to indicate). Im not sure publicly announcing that the defensive forces in Ukraine might soon be running low on ammo is the kind of thing to make Putin rush to the negotiating table.

Its one thing looking for a out to get it over its another to quit and lose face. Putin isnt doing that. He's also not giving the land his army took back. Not without something more valuable in return....

If you think Putin is just sitting back waiting for Ukraine's funding to dry up or stop then he makes a push...

well then I guess you are not thinking.

His troops have been on the offensive since spring and remain on the attack. Thats hardly breaking news. Any ammo shortages just means his offensive efforts are likely to bear more fruit. So no---he's not "sitting back waiting for Ukrainian funding to dry up". He's just attacking now and will continue to attack---and he has little reason to compromise now that he has reason to believe he can take what he wants.

For the record---Ive said a million times---this is going to be settled with a land for security deal. Im not a person that thinks Ukraine is going to get their lost land back. I also do not think the Ukrainians should give up any land they currently hold (which by the way is another Russian demand). There needs to be a reasonable compromise---I think we will soon see if the Russians are actually interested in a reasonable compromise. I have my doubts.

(03-03-2025 09:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 08:57 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 08:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 08:13 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What you going to hear is Putin is going to try with everything he has and take Ukraine because they wont have the arms needed. A lot of this world are flat out idiots because at this point Putin wants this over and probably more so than Ukraine. No probably to it, he wants it over, and looking for a way out. Dont want to give up what he took, but wants it over.

So no way is Russia going to make a hard push to take more of Ukraine. No matter how much land Russia took, they lost, in this war. There are no winners and to get to a end, Ukraine is going to lose the land Russia holds. Today, tomorrow, next year, the outcome in this is not changing.

The midget cant understand this and wants to get the EU and America into this war to get Russia all the way out of Ukraine. It's easy to see that's his goal. Russia, is not going tom make that hard push because that's the last thing they want. They also arent going to do it because Putin understands while Trump is pissed....he will give Ukraine just about what they want other than boots on the ground, if Russia tried to take advantage.

If people dont believe Putin is ready for a end, they are just dumb as f'. The world has seen the Russia army is not what people thought it was. If nukes were not a threat, as small as that is, its still "A" threat. But if not, with in a month, maybe a couple weeks NATO with America, would push Russia back home or destroy them.

That is how weak the Russian army is at this point. Putin knows this better than anyone, its why he wont escalate things and back Trump into funding Ukraine. Or pushing other countries to a point of putting their boots on the ground. The man wants this over as much as Trump does. But he's not going to let the world know that.

The f'ing idiots that believes Russia is a threat to the EU, are not only idiots but retarded. Hell it will take Russia 10, 15, 20 years to just get back to where their army was before the start of this war.

I don't believe those pushing the little man's buttons are idiots....

they understand there are 100s of billion more to be made here and that's what its about for them.

If Putin really wanted the war to be over more than he wants to accomplish his goals---it would already be over. If Putin was satisfied with his position and believed peace was right around the corner---one would think his forces would not still be in offensive mode. Yet the Russian forces are still throwing meat wave attacks at dug in positions. I think Putin is very willing to discuss peace---but only if he gets what amounts to a complete surrender to every demand on his wish list (at least, that is certainly what the public comments from Lavrov would seem to indicate). Im not sure publicly announcing that the defensive forces in Ukraine might soon be running low on ammo is the kind of thing to make Putin rush to the negotiating table.

Its one thing looking for a out to get it over its another to quit and lose face. Putin isnt doing that. He's also not giving the land his army took back. Not without something more valuable in return....

If you think Putin is just sitting back waiting for Ukraine's funding to dry up or stop then he makes a push...

well then I guess you are not thinking.

His troops have been on the offensive since spring and remain on the attack. Thats hardly breaking news. Any ammo shortages just means his offensive efforts are likely to bear more fruit. So no---he's not "sitting back waiting for Ukrainian funding to dry up". He's just attacking now and will continue to attack---and he has little reason to compromise now that he has reason to believe he can take what he wants.

For the record---Ive said a million times---this is going to be settled with a land for security deal. Im not a person that thinks Ukraine is going to get their lost land back. I also do not think the Ukrainians should give up any land they currently hold (which by the way is another Russian demand).

They wont hold it much longer so it should not be a problem. Can you even imagine being a ukraine soldier and finding out your president not pissed off Trump but he cut all aid. Holy crap. I will not be surprised if they dont just say frick it, im going home.

(03-03-2025 09:13 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 09:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 08:57 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 08:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 08:13 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What you going to hear is Putin is going to try with everything he has and take Ukraine because they wont have the arms needed. A lot of this world are flat out idiots because at this point Putin wants this over and probably more so than Ukraine. No probably to it, he wants it over, and looking for a way out. Dont want to give up what he took, but wants it over.

So no way is Russia going to make a hard push to take more of Ukraine. No matter how much land Russia took, they lost, in this war. There are no winners and to get to a end, Ukraine is going to lose the land Russia holds. Today, tomorrow, next year, the outcome in this is not changing.

The midget cant understand this and wants to get the EU and America into this war to get Russia all the way out of Ukraine. It's easy to see that's his goal. Russia, is not going tom make that hard push because that's the last thing they want. They also arent going to do it because Putin understands while Trump is pissed....he will give Ukraine just about what they want other than boots on the ground, if Russia tried to take advantage.

If people dont believe Putin is ready for a end, they are just dumb as f'. The world has seen the Russia army is not what people thought it was. If nukes were not a threat, as small as that is, its still "A" threat. But if not, with in a month, maybe a couple weeks NATO with America, would push Russia back home or destroy them.

That is how weak the Russian army is at this point. Putin knows this better than anyone, its why he wont escalate things and back Trump into funding Ukraine. Or pushing other countries to a point of putting their boots on the ground. The man wants this over as much as Trump does. But he's not going to let the world know that.

The f'ing idiots that believes Russia is a threat to the EU, are not only idiots but retarded. Hell it will take Russia 10, 15, 20 years to just get back to where their army was before the start of this war.

I don't believe those pushing the little man's buttons are idiots....

they understand there are 100s of billion more to be made here and that's what its about for them.

If Putin really wanted the war to be over more than he wants to accomplish his goals---it would already be over. If Putin was satisfied with his position and believed peace was right around the corner---one would think his forces would not still be in offensive mode. Yet the Russian forces are still throwing meat wave attacks at dug in positions. I think Putin is very willing to discuss peace---but only if he gets what amounts to a complete surrender to every demand on his wish list (at least, that is certainly what the public comments from Lavrov would seem to indicate). Im not sure publicly announcing that the defensive forces in Ukraine might soon be running low on ammo is the kind of thing to make Putin rush to the negotiating table.

Its one thing looking for a out to get it over its another to quit and lose face. Putin isnt doing that. He's also not giving the land his army took back. Not without something more valuable in return....

If you think Putin is just sitting back waiting for Ukraine's funding to dry up or stop then he makes a push...

well then I guess you are not thinking.

His troops have been on the offensive since spring and remain on the attack. Thats hardly breaking news. Any ammo shortages just means his offensive efforts are likely to bear more fruit. So no---he's not "sitting back waiting for Ukrainian funding to dry up". He's just attacking now and will continue to attack---and he has little reason to compromise now that he has reason to believe he can take what he wants.

For the record---Ive said a million times---this is going to be settled with a land for security deal. Im not a person that thinks Ukraine is going to get their lost land back. I also do not think the Ukrainians should give up any land they currently hold (which by the way is another Russian demand).

They wont hold it much longer so it should not be a problem. Can you even imagine being a ukraine soldier and funding out your president not pissed off Trump but he cut all aid. Holy crap. I will not be surprised if they dont just say frick it, im going home.

Either Zelensky grovels or he's gone and another prez signs the deal. I dont see them losing a war over Zelensky's pride. lol---Those trench boys will come to Kyiv and string em up before they lose a war over that. He's going to grovel. He simply has no choice.

(03-03-2025 07:11 PM)shere khan Wrote:  https://www.newsweek.com/trump-halts-us-...rt-2039057

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(03-03-2025 07:25 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:Rep.
@ericswalwell
brags that the US proxy war in Ukraine "has decimated [Russia's] military and economy." He calls this "the greatest return on investment for any military expenditure ever, and as far as the return on investment for soldiers' lives, it's infinity, because you can't divide zero."

He doesn't mention that you can divide the Ukrainian death toll, which is in the hundreds of thousands. And when did voters decide that "decimating" a foreign military and economy, especially one that is nuclear-armed, is a worthwhile goal?

The fervor that proxy warriors have for killing Russians is matched by their contempt for Ukrainian lives, not to mention their own voters.

These people are disgusting. They'll gladly have your kids or some other sucker nations' kids die.

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(03-03-2025 09:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 09:13 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 09:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 08:57 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 08:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  If Putin really wanted the war to be over more than he wants to accomplish his goals---it would already be over. If Putin was satisfied with his position and believed peace was right around the corner---one would think his forces would not still be in offensive mode. Yet the Russian forces are still throwing meat wave attacks at dug in positions. I think Putin is very willing to discuss peace---but only if he gets what amounts to a complete surrender to every demand on his wish list (at least, that is certainly what the public comments from Lavrov would seem to indicate). Im not sure publicly announcing that the defensive forces in Ukraine might soon be running low on ammo is the kind of thing to make Putin rush to the negotiating table.

Its one thing looking for a out to get it over its another to quit and lose face. Putin isnt doing that. He's also not giving the land his army took back. Not without something more valuable in return....

If you think Putin is just sitting back waiting for Ukraine's funding to dry up or stop then he makes a push...

well then I guess you are not thinking.

His troops have been on the offensive since spring and remain on the attack. Thats hardly breaking news. Any ammo shortages just means his offensive efforts are likely to bear more fruit. So no---he's not "sitting back waiting for Ukrainian funding to dry up". He's just attacking now and will continue to attack---and he has little reason to compromise now that he has reason to believe he can take what he wants.

For the record---Ive said a million times---this is going to be settled with a land for security deal. Im not a person that thinks Ukraine is going to get their lost land back. I also do not think the Ukrainians should give up any land they currently hold (which by the way is another Russian demand).

They wont hold it much longer so it should not be a problem. Can you even imagine being a ukraine soldier and funding out your president not pissed off Trump but he cut all aid. Holy crap. I will not be surprised if they dont just say frick it, im going home.

Either Zelensky grovels or he's gone and another prez signs the deal. I dont see them losing a war over Zelensky's pride. lol---Those trench boys will come to Kyiv and string em up before they lose a war over that. He's going to grovel. He simply has no choice.

As I have posted above and elsewhere here, there is no deal to sign. On Jan 17, the UK signed a 100 year deal with Ukraine for REM. And it would take precedence over any deal that the US would sign.

It's in the details of one of the X posts that CP posted in the boots on the ground thread. And I repeated it elsewhere.

(03-03-2025 09:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 08:57 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 08:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 08:13 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What you going to hear is Putin is going to try with everything he has and take Ukraine because they wont have the arms needed. A lot of this world are flat out idiots because at this point Putin wants this over and probably more so than Ukraine. No probably to it, he wants it over, and looking for a way out. Dont want to give up what he took, but wants it over.

So no way is Russia going to make a hard push to take more of Ukraine. No matter how much land Russia took, they lost, in this war. There are no winners and to get to a end, Ukraine is going to lose the land Russia holds. Today, tomorrow, next year, the outcome in this is not changing.

The midget cant understand this and wants to get the EU and America into this war to get Russia all the way out of Ukraine. It's easy to see that's his goal. Russia, is not going tom make that hard push because that's the last thing they want. They also arent going to do it because Putin understands while Trump is pissed....he will give Ukraine just about what they want other than boots on the ground, if Russia tried to take advantage.

If people dont believe Putin is ready for a end, they are just dumb as f'. The world has seen the Russia army is not what people thought it was. If nukes were not a threat, as small as that is, its still "A" threat. But if not, with in a month, maybe a couple weeks NATO with America, would push Russia back home or destroy them.

That is how weak the Russian army is at this point. Putin knows this better than anyone, its why he wont escalate things and back Trump into funding Ukraine. Or pushing other countries to a point of putting their boots on the ground. The man wants this over as much as Trump does. But he's not going to let the world know that.

The f'ing idiots that believes Russia is a threat to the EU, are not only idiots but retarded. Hell it will take Russia 10, 15, 20 years to just get back to where their army was before the start of this war.

I don't believe those pushing the little man's buttons are idiots....

they understand there are 100s of billion more to be made here and that's what its about for them.

If Putin really wanted the war to be over more than he wants to accomplish his goals---it would already be over. If Putin was satisfied with his position and believed peace was right around the corner---one would think his forces would not still be in offensive mode. Yet the Russian forces are still throwing meat wave attacks at dug in positions. I think Putin is very willing to discuss peace---but only if he gets what amounts to a complete surrender to every demand on his wish list (at least, that is certainly what the public comments from Lavrov would seem to indicate). Im not sure publicly announcing that the defensive forces in Ukraine might soon be running low on ammo is the kind of thing to make Putin rush to the negotiating table.

Its one thing looking for a out to get it over its another to quit and lose face. Putin isnt doing that. He's also not giving the land his army took back. Not without something more valuable in return....

If you think Putin is just sitting back waiting for Ukraine's funding to dry up or stop then he makes a push...

well then I guess you are not thinking.

His troops have been on the offensive since spring and remain on the attack. Thats hardly breaking news. Any ammo shortages just means his offensive efforts are likely to bear more fruit. So no---he's not "sitting back waiting for Ukrainian funding to dry up". He's just attacking now and will continue to attack---and he has little reason to compromise now that he has reason to believe he can take what he wants.

For the record---Ive said a million times---this is going to be settled with a land for security deal. Im not a person that thinks Ukraine is going to get their lost land back. I also do not think the Ukrainians should give up any land they currently hold (which by the way is another Russian demand). There needs to be a reasonable compromise---I think we will soon see if the Russians are actually interested in a reasonable compromise. I have my doubts.

Answer this....

how much farther has Russia gain in this "offensive" ? Of course Russia is not stopping todo so with give the little guy more hope that Ukraine can win.

They cant, not without other countries joining them.

How much has Russia took in the last year to 18 months? I dont think very much. I say that but I dont keep up with this shite because I dont care one way or another.

You must think Putin is stupid? At this point he knows Russia is not taking much more of Ukraine. Unless he's as stupid as you must think, and believe the EU and America, mostly America is going to allow that.

As much as Trump wants peace and as pissed off at the Midgett as he is. The one thing Trump is not going to d is go down in history as the President that allowed Russia to do just that.

If Putin thinks this is a sign that Trump is going to allow that...he's sadly mistaken. Russia is not taking Ukraine or any more of it without America stepping right back into it. Then I think it will be at a higher level of support. Trump is not, repeat is not going to let history say he stood by and gave Putin the go ahead to take Ukraine. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

There's a lot better chance this war pulls other countries into it than Russia gaining much more of Ukraine. Unless Putin is a stupid ass, he knows this and its another part of the reason he wants it over.

Wanting it over doesnt mean you quite.

https://prospect.org/blogs-and-newslette...r-the-don/

"...In the three days since Friday’s Oval Office ambush of Zelensky by Trump and Vice President JD Vance, Republican spinmeisters have tried to portray what occurred as Zelensky impudently lecturing a president who had invited the Ukrainian leader to Washington in good faith to broker a peace agreement. In the spin, it was Zelensky who wrecked the deal.



This is total horseshit. What actually occurred, of course, was that Trump and his henchmen made Zelensky a Mafia-style offer he couldn’t refuse. Give the U.S. rights to Ukraine’s minerals, and maybe the U.S. would guarantee Ukraine’s sovereignty, but maybe not. Zelensky was lured to Washington on the pretense that he was coming to negotiate the final details.

But that was a ruse. Instead, Trump put Zelensky in front of the cameras, the better to humiliate him. (When were delicate agreements ever negotiated in front of the media?) When Zelensky wouldn’t play, Trump and Vance accused him of disrespect....

The Wall Street Journal editorial page, of all places, said what hardly any Republicans had the nerve to say: “It is bewildering to see Mr. Trump’s allies defending this debacle as some show of American strength.”

Even worse than Republican complicity was coverage in the mainstream press that treated the Trump ambush as a Zelensky blunder.

Rachael Bade in Politico wrote a piece taking the White House spin as fact. She quoted one unnamed White House official saying of Trump: “He’s trying to help [Zelinsky] and he’s getting snide remarks in his own house?” She quoted another official, “who like the others was granted anonymity to candidly describe the reaction inside the administration,” as saying that “everyone in the building—from the president on down—felt completely disrespected.”

Candid, right? Trump was trying to help Zelensky?

And Tyler Pager and Maggie Haberman wrote in The New York Times on Saturday that “three people with knowledge of what took place beforehand said neither Mr. Trump nor Mr. Vance had been looking to blow up a deal for Ukraine’s mineral rights, which Mr. Zelensky had been expected to sign in Washington. Instead, they said, Mr. Zelensky seemingly triggered the two American leaders by not sufficiently thanking the United States for trying to end the war.”..."

https://nypost.com/2025/03/02/opinion/ze...rom-trump/
"Anybody who watched the entire Oval Office meeting between President Trump and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky would know that it was not an “ambush” or a “setup” by Trump, as characterized by Democrats and malign media entities.

It was the opposite. If anyone came to that meeting in bad faith, it was clearly Zelensky, whose body language and attitude was negative from the start <talk about seeing what you want to see!!!>. Trump could not have been more cordial, having steered the complex negotiations with Russia and Ukraine to a first step where he believed peace was a real possibility....

It was 11 minutes in when Zelensky first contradicted Trump with a gratuitous defense of Europe’s financial support for the war, which Trump repeatedly has said was less than America’s.

“President Trump said that they made less support but they are our friends and they are our very supportive partners. They really gave a lot, Mr. President.”

Trump responded: “They gave a lot but they gave much less.”

“No,” said Zelensky...."

Zelensky was 100% right. Europe hasn't given a lot more, but they have given more.

And the Vance and Trump temper tantrums undermined what they are trying to do, which is bring Putin to the table. It was bad for everyone.

Slavicucks having a rough week...

You
Were
Duped

Frick Ukraine

PS. I aint readin all that bullshite above.

This aint complicated folks.

Z is a liar and a weasel

From Rubio


“I had a detailed conversation with Zelenskyy, the Vice President and I, the three of us, about the mineral rights deal. We explained to them, look, we want to be in a joint venture with you not because we’re trying to steal from your country but because we see this as an actual security guarantee between the US and Ukraine. And he said, sure, we will do this deal, it makes sense. I need to run it through my legislative process. They have to approve it. I read two days later that Zelenskyy says I rejected the deal, I told them no way, we’re not going to do it. Well, that’s not what happened in that meeting. So, you’re starting to get a picture of the person we’re dealing with.”

(03-03-2025 09:47 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://nypost.com/2025/03/02/opinion/ze...rom-trump/
"Anybody who watched the entire Oval Office meeting between President Trump and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky would know that it was not an “ambush” or a “setup” by Trump, as characterized by Democrats and malign media entities.

It was the opposite. If anyone came to that meeting in bad faith, it was clearly Zelensky, whose body language and attitude was negative from the start <talk about seeing what you want to see!!!>. Trump could not have been more cordial, having steered the complex negotiations with Russia and Ukraine to a first step where he believed peace was a real possibility....

It was 11 minutes in when Zelensky first contradicted Trump with a gratuitous defense of Europe’s financial support for the war, which Trump repeatedly has said was less than America’s.

“President Trump said that they made less support but they are our friends and they are our very supportive partners. They really gave a lot, Mr. President.”

Trump responded: “They gave a lot but they gave much less.”

“No,” said Zelensky...."

Zelensky was 100% right. Europe hasn't given a lot more, but they have given more.

And the Vance and Trump temper tantrums undermined what they are trying to do, which is bring Putin to the table. It was bad for everyone.

Maybe you should read the rest of Miranda Devine's opinion piece.

Quote:At 31 minutes, Zelensky said: “You have big, nice ocean, between us, but if we will not stay [fighting], Russia will go further to Baltics and to Poland. It’s a fact, and [then] you will fight, your American soldiers. It doesn’t matter, do you have ocean, or not, your soldiers will fight.”

This was a severe provocation and yet Trump kept his cool.

It was another seven minutes before Vance piped up. He was sitting opposite Zelensky and had a better view of his insolent body language than Trump.

Even then Vance was measured: “The path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy. What makes America a good country is America engaging in diplomacy. That’s what President Trump is doing.”

That set Zelensky off and his rudeness finally demanded a response from Trump.

“We’re trying to solve a problem. Don’t tell us what we’re going to feel, because you’re in no position to dictate that.”

The rest is tragic history.

Zelensky ambushed Trump. He just got more than he bargained for.

Now it’s up to Europe at its summit on Thursday to make Ukraine see reason, because the country can’t survive without America.

What did you say to me earlier today? Read the article before posting? I assume that means the entire article instead of cherrypicking the one part that makes you look good. That's what the left does.

So really, it looks like you should take your own advice.

(03-03-2025 09:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://prospect.org/blogs-and-newslette...r-the-don/

"...In the three days since Friday’s Oval Office ambush of Zelensky by Trump and Vice President JD Vance, Republican spinmeisters have tried to portray what occurred as Zelensky impudently lecturing a president who had invited the Ukrainian leader to Washington in good faith to broker a peace agreement. In the spin, it was Zelensky who wrecked the deal.



This is total horseshit. What actually occurred, of course, was that Trump and his henchmen made Zelensky a Mafia-style offer he couldn’t refuse. Give the U.S. rights to Ukraine’s minerals, and maybe the U.S. would guarantee Ukraine’s sovereignty, but maybe not. Zelensky was lured to Washington on the pretense that he was coming to negotiate the final details.

But that was a ruse. Instead, Trump put Zelensky in front of the cameras, the better to humiliate him. (When were delicate agreements ever negotiated in front of the media?) When Zelensky wouldn’t play, Trump and Vance accused him of disrespect....

The Wall Street Journal editorial page, of all places, said what hardly any Republicans had the nerve to say: “It is bewildering to see Mr. Trump’s allies defending this debacle as some show of American strength.”

Even worse than Republican complicity was coverage in the mainstream press that treated the Trump ambush as a Zelensky blunder.

Rachael Bade in Politico wrote a piece taking the White House spin as fact. She quoted one unnamed White House official saying of Trump: “He’s trying to help [Zelinsky] and he’s getting snide remarks in his own house?” She quoted another official, “who like the others was granted anonymity to candidly describe the reaction inside the administration,” as saying that “everyone in the building—from the president on down—felt completely disrespected.”

Candid, right? Trump was trying to help Zelensky?

And Tyler Pager and Maggie Haberman wrote in The New York Times on Saturday that “three people with knowledge of what took place beforehand said neither Mr. Trump nor Mr. Vance had been looking to blow up a deal for Ukraine’s mineral rights, which Mr. Zelensky had been expected to sign in Washington. Instead, they said, Mr. Zelensky seemingly triggered the two American leaders by not sufficiently thanking the United States for trying to end the war.”..."

Well done. You've finally shown your true colors.

Quote:The American Prospect is a daily online and bimonthly print American political and public policy magazine dedicated to American modern liberalism and progressivism. Based in Washington, D.C., The American Prospect says it "is devoted to promoting informed discussion on public policy from a progressive perspective."[1] Its motto is "Ideas, Politics, and Power".

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(03-03-2025 10:09 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(03-03-2025 09:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://prospect.org/blogs-and-newslette...r-the-don/

"...In the three days since Friday’s Oval Office ambush of Zelensky by Trump and Vice President JD Vance, Republican spinmeisters have tried to portray what occurred as Zelensky impudently lecturing a president who had invited the Ukrainian leader to Washington in good faith to broker a peace agreement. In the spin, it was Zelensky who wrecked the deal.



This is total horseshit. What actually occurred, of course, was that Trump and his henchmen made Zelensky a Mafia-style offer he couldn’t refuse. Give the U.S. rights to Ukraine’s minerals, and maybe the U.S. would guarantee Ukraine’s sovereignty, but maybe not. Zelensky was lured to Washington on the pretense that he was coming to negotiate the final details.

But that was a ruse. Instead, Trump put Zelensky in front of the cameras, the better to humiliate him. (When were delicate agreements ever negotiated in front of the media?) When Zelensky wouldn’t play, Trump and Vance accused him of disrespect....

The Wall Street Journal editorial page, of all places, said what hardly any Republicans had the nerve to say: “It is bewildering to see Mr. Trump’s allies defending this debacle as some show of American strength.”

Even worse than Republican complicity was coverage in the mainstream press that treated the Trump ambush as a Zelensky blunder.

Rachael Bade in Politico wrote a piece taking the White House spin as fact. She quoted one unnamed White House official saying of Trump: “He’s trying to help [Zelinsky] and he’s getting snide remarks in his own house?” She quoted another official, “who like the others was granted anonymity to candidly describe the reaction inside the administration,” as saying that “everyone in the building—from the president on down—felt completely disrespected.”

Candid, right? Trump was trying to help Zelensky?

And Tyler Pager and Maggie Haberman wrote in The New York Times on Saturday that “three people with knowledge of what took place beforehand said neither Mr. Trump nor Mr. Vance had been looking to blow up a deal for Ukraine’s mineral rights, which Mr. Zelensky had been expected to sign in Washington. Instead, they said, Mr. Zelensky seemingly triggered the two American leaders by not sufficiently thanking the United States for trying to end the war.”..."

Well done. You've finally shown your true colors.

Quote:The American Prospect is a daily online and bimonthly print American political and public policy magazine dedicated to American modern liberalism and progressivism. Based in Washington, D.C., The American Prospect says it "is devoted to promoting informed discussion on public policy from a progressive perspective."[1] Its motto is "Ideas, Politics, and Power".

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