(03-02-2025 01:20 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  I wonder if this is true ?

quote:
A common criticism of Volodymyr Zelensky’s disastrous Friday performance in the Oval Office is that he failed to read the room. Actually, the Ukrainian president did read a room — but it was the wrong room. Before meeting Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).


quote:
“Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine,” Murphy’s office posted on X at 11:15 a.m. Friday. He attached a picture of Zelensky at a conference table, with Murphy seated on the opposite side. Forty minutes later, Zelensky arrived at the White House, where Trump met his car, smiled, shook his hand and walked him into the Oval Office.

IDK if it's true or not, but there are lots of articles saying that it's true, and more than one source from the Dems.

IMO, the Dems just didn't want the deal to go through so they could make Trump look bad.

(03-02-2025 01:20 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  I wonder if this is true ?

quote:
A common criticism of Volodymyr Zelensky’s disastrous Friday performance in the Oval Office is that he failed to read the room. Actually, the Ukrainian president did read a room — but it was the wrong room. Before meeting Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).


quote:
“Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine,” Murphy’s office posted on X at 11:15 a.m. Friday. He attached a picture of Zelensky at a conference table, with Murphy seated on the opposite side. Forty minutes later, Zelensky arrived at the White House, where Trump met his car, smiled, shook his hand and walked him into the Oval Office.

Congressional Dems urged Zelensky to reject mineral deal ahead of disastrous White House meeting with Trump, Vance


Disaster in the Oval Office: Dems lead Zelensky, Ukraine off a cliff with pressure to reject mineral deal


Democrats Encouraged Zelensky to Scoff at a Possible Peace Deal, Setting Up Oval Office Blowout

WWIII WATCH: Keir Starmer Announces He’s Ready to Send “Boots on the Ground” to Ukraine After Giving Them $2 Billion, Encourages US, Europe to Join (VIDEO)

Did Ukraine Already Sign a Precious Metals Deal with the UK Back in January? Does President Trump Know About This?


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(03-02-2025 02:14 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 01:20 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  I wonder if this is true ?

quote:
A common criticism of Volodymyr Zelensky’s disastrous Friday performance in the Oval Office is that he failed to read the room. Actually, the Ukrainian president did read a room — but it was the wrong room. Before meeting Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).


quote:
“Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine,” Murphy’s office posted on X at 11:15 a.m. Friday. He attached a picture of Zelensky at a conference table, with Murphy seated on the opposite side. Forty minutes later, Zelensky arrived at the White House, where Trump met his car, smiled, shook his hand and walked him into the Oval Office.

Congressional Dems urged Zelensky to reject mineral deal ahead of disastrous White House meeting with Trump, Vance


Disaster in the Oval Office: Dems lead Zelensky, Ukraine off a cliff with pressure to reject mineral deal


Democrats Encouraged Zelensky to Scoff at a Possible Peace Deal, Setting Up Oval Office Blowout

I hate the Democrats so much. They're nothing but domestic terrorists. They won't stop until every single right winger in this country is jailed or murdered.

ABC's Stephanopoulos Tries to Match Wits With Rubio Over Zelensky Implosion — Any Guesses Who Won?

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(03-02-2025 11:15 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 11:13 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  It took Trump to get the Europeans to take charge of a conflict in their front yard. Finally.

Im oficially pulling for Russia now. Hate away. Idgaf.

Ar least we know where we stand with those bastards.

Theyre like the main stream media, have you noticed that all the well wishes are alike? Remember when Ol foggy and then QueMala were running, all the propaganda coming from the msm was identical.

Like I've said, it's about time the Euros took care of their own. They won't like it when their treasurys are going dry and the war continuing.

But, like the Leftists here they are only words.

(03-02-2025 02:45 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 11:15 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 11:13 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  It took Trump to get the Europeans to take charge of a conflict in their front yard. Finally.

Im oficially pulling for Russia now. Hate away. Idgaf.

Ar least we know where we stand with those bastards.

Theyre like the main stream media, have you noticed that all the well wishes are alike? Remember when Ol foggy and then QueMala were running, all the propaganda coming from the msm was identical.

Like I've said, it's about time the Euros took care of their own. They won't like it when their treasurys are going dry and the war continuing.

But, like the Leftists here they are only words.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Thank God we dodged the cannonball-sized bullet that would've been a Kamala Harris-Tim Walz presidency. They'd still be giving Zelenskyy a blank check.

Language Warning:

(03-02-2025 03:35 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 02:45 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 11:15 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 11:13 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  It took Trump to get the Europeans to take charge of a conflict in their front yard. Finally.

Im oficially pulling for Russia now. Hate away. Idgaf.

Ar least we know where we stand with those bastards.

Theyre like the main stream media, have you noticed that all the well wishes are alike? Remember when Ol foggy and then QueMala were running, all the propaganda coming from the msm was identical.

Like I've said, it's about time the Euros took care of their own. They won't like it when their treasurys are going dry and the war continuing.

But, like the Leftists here they are only words.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Thank God we dodged the cannonball-sized bullet that would've been a Kamala Harris-Tim Walz presidency. They'd still be giving Xi-lenskyy a blank check.

FIFY

Hillary Clinton Again Shows She's in Over Her Head With Cheap Shot at SecDef Pete Hegseth on Ukraine

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(03-02-2025 04:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 03:35 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 02:45 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 11:15 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 11:13 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  It took Trump to get the Europeans to take charge of a conflict in their front yard. Finally.

Im oficially pulling for Russia now. Hate away. Idgaf.

Ar least we know where we stand with those bastards.

Theyre like the main stream media, have you noticed that all the well wishes are alike? Remember when Ol foggy and then QueMala were running, all the propaganda coming from the msm was identical.

Like I've said, it's about time the Euros took care of their own. They won't like it when their treasurys are going dry and the war continuing.

But, like the Leftists here they are only words.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Thank God we dodged the cannonball-sized bullet that would've been a Kamala Harris-Tim Walz presidency. They'd still be giving Xi-lenskyy a blank check.

FIFY

Thank you for that FIFY. That's a good point. Xi's waiting in the wings, looking to help both Russia and Ukraine pick up the pieces.

(03-02-2025 09:43 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 09:14 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 09:09 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 09:04 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 02:43 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

Well I guess some of you Putintards should begin explaining to us just how corrupt Putin is since anyone in Ukraine learned exactly how to do it under the influence of him. He probably has stolen more of Russia’s wealth than Ukraine is worth. And yes I know you don’t care. Zelinsky stole YOUR money.

Just cut off aid. Smile and gloat. Hope Russia nukes Ukraine and kills the little green whatever and deal with history from there. I may be old and may not make it to that day but I will absolutely will NOT ENJOY telling anyone that I told you so.

Have at it. Because unlike Shere Karen, I’m not invested in being right here. Only history will tell that story.

Are you a chick or have i just totally emasculated you.

Maybe get a new username. Was was sme might work.

Youve been right about nothing.

How big a boy are you?

You are the rights version of Tanqi Bois.

Oh im much worse than him. You wound me

Yes you are.

(03-02-2025 10:19 AM)olliebaba Wrote:  Russia is asking for a partnership with the US to mine REMs. This can be used as a bargaining chip to end the war in Russia. It's a risky venture because there's no guarantee that Russia wouldn't kick out the US after everything is running well but like in all business dealings there's always setbacks.

Russia totally gets out of Ukraine and the US gets the partnership with them. Russia needs money and business and this might be a big help for both parties.

It would give Z the middle finger for reneging two/three times on the deal.

Sure. Who here likes the fact we that we have made China rich? Might as well make Russia rich too. And why don’t we buy oil from Iran and make them rich. And then maybe they will allow us to join BRICS.

(03-02-2025 04:54 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

The NATO ship has sailed. I get why he wants it---but the reality is its not going to happen. So---a European "coalition of the willing"---that includes two nuclear powers and a number of other western nations----is the best security guarantee he's going to get---and its a lot better than the "nothing" he has now. If a NATO guarantee is a "10"---then he needs to not turn his nose up at the "7" or "8" level guarantee he's being offered. It aint NATO---but it aint bad---besides----I think there is a good chance the NATO we know today wont be the same NATO in a few years anyway. It may end up looking very much like his eventual "coalition of the willing" security guarantee.

(03-02-2025 05:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 04:54 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

The NATO ship has sailed. I get why he wants it---but the reality is its not going to happen. So---a European "coalition of the willing"---that includes two nuclear powers and a number of other western nations----is the best security guarantee he's going to get---and its a lot better than the "nothing" he has now. If a NATO guarantee is a "10"---then he needs to not turn his nose up at the "7" or "8" level guarantee he's being offered. It aint NATO---but it aint bad---besides----I think there is a good chance the NATO we know today wont be the same NATO in a few years anyway. It may end up looking very much like his eventual "coalition of the willing" security guarantee.

He needs to frick off

(03-02-2025 02:44 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 02:14 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 01:20 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  I wonder if this is true ?

quote:
A common criticism of Volodymyr Zelensky’s disastrous Friday performance in the Oval Office is that he failed to read the room. Actually, the Ukrainian president did read a room — but it was the wrong room. Before meeting Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).


quote:
“Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine,” Murphy’s office posted on X at 11:15 a.m. Friday. He attached a picture of Zelensky at a conference table, with Murphy seated on the opposite side. Forty minutes later, Zelensky arrived at the White House, where Trump met his car, smiled, shook his hand and walked him into the Oval Office.

Congressional Dems urged Zelensky to reject mineral deal ahead of disastrous White House meeting with Trump, Vance


Disaster in the Oval Office: Dems lead Zelensky, Ukraine off a cliff with pressure to reject mineral deal


Democrats Encouraged Zelensky to Scoff at a Possible Peace Deal, Setting Up Oval Office Blowout

I hate the Democrats so much. They're nothing but domestic terrorists. They won't stop until every single right winger in this country is jailed or murdered.

What are you beetching about? You just posted how you hate Ukraine. The dems made sure you got what you want. Why you beetching at them?

Putin unleashes Iskander-M missile attack to 'sink container ship in Odesa carrying cargo of British weapons for Ukraine'

Quote:By TOM MIDLANE

Published: 05:57 EST, 2 March 2025 | Updated: 11:02 EST, 2 March 2025

Vladimir Putin unleashed a missile strike to 'sink' a cargo ship amid unconfirmed Russian claims it was carrying British weapons for use by Ukraine.

Two Iskander-M ballistic missiles hit the Panama-flagged container ship MSC LEVANTE F - reportedly Swiss-owned - soon after it arrived in Odesa on March 1, after making a stop in Turkey.

Two port workers were believed to have been wounded in the strike, which also damaged infrastructure, Ukrainian reports said.

The report of the attack comes as British prime minister Sir Keir Starmer today hosts Volodymyr Zelensky and other European leaders to discuss the future of the wartorn nation following the Ukrainian president's televised spat with US president Donald Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance.

Russian Telegram channel TalipoV [sic] Online Z claimed that the vessel was loaded with drones and weaponry that had been collected from a NATO based in Turkey before being transported to Odesa in Ukraine.

However, the channel is run by pro-Putin, Crimea-based blogger Oleksandr Talipov, who was charged with 'nation-based enmity against Ukrainian citizens' and hate speech by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2022.

Tapipov said: 'It was established that in Turkey the ship loaded additional containers of two colours on board - red and yellow - which contained British sea drones and weapons from the Turkish NATO base.

'Upon arrival at the port of Odesa, the ship was hit by two missiles at berth number two at 18:00.


The container ship MSC LEVANTE F carrying yellow and red shipping containers that a Russian Telegram channel claimed contained 'British sea drones and weapons from the Turkish NATO base' - a claim directly challenged by the Ukrainian vice prime minister Oleksii Kuleba who said that the vessel was carrying 'completely civilian cargo'

'After the strike detonations began, the cargo was completely destroyed, the ship sank.'

Another pro-war Telegram channel Soprotivlenie claimed that the cargo ship was carrying other Western military cargo, including 'radars and launch containers of ATACMS missiles' supplied by the US.

A picture purportedly shows the containers visible on the vessel in Odesa shortly before it was hit.

However no proof was given on entire Telegram channel that the ship contained any military cargo, nor showed evidence of the extent of damage to the MSC LEVANTE F following the attack.

Ukrainian vice prime minister Oleksii Kuleba challenged the Russian account and said that the vessel was carrying 'completely civilian cargoes'.

The container ship was struck as it prepared to unload, according to the Russian report.

A strike on the 482ft MSC LEVANTE F was confirmed by Odesa region governor Oleg Kiper.

'The enemy fired a ballistic missile on Odesa,' he said. 'The attack damaged port infrastructure and a civilian vessel under the flag of the Republic of Panama owned by a European company.'

Deputy Prime Minister for the Reconstruction of Ukraine Oleksiy Kuleba said a second ship was also hit, the Sierra Leone-flagged SUPER SARKAS.

Both 'damaged' vessels had completely civilian cargoes, he said.

The Kyiv Independent reported: 'No information was immediately available as to what the vessel was carrying, or the extent of the damage.'

At least 20 foreign merchant ships have been damaged in previous strikes by Russia, according to Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky.

In July last year, the MSC LEVANTE F, which can carry approximately 13,634 tons, made the first call by an MSC container ship to Odesa since the start of the war in February 2022.

Before sailing to Odesa, the container ship docked at Asyaport, near Tekirdağ, on the northern coast of the Sea of Marmara in Turkey.

The MSC - Mediterranean Shipping Company - brand is headquartered in Geneva, Switzerland.

TL;DR: lol Russia attacked a UK-owned cargo ship. Also, there are several more pics in the story provided by the link so feel free to click.

(03-02-2025 05:11 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 02:44 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 02:14 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 01:20 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  I wonder if this is true ?

quote:
A common criticism of Volodymyr Zelensky’s disastrous Friday performance in the Oval Office is that he failed to read the room. Actually, the Ukrainian president did read a room — but it was the wrong room. Before meeting Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).


quote:
“Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine,” Murphy’s office posted on X at 11:15 a.m. Friday. He attached a picture of Zelensky at a conference table, with Murphy seated on the opposite side. Forty minutes later, Zelensky arrived at the White House, where Trump met his car, smiled, shook his hand and walked him into the Oval Office.

Congressional Dems urged Zelensky to reject mineral deal ahead of disastrous White House meeting with Trump, Vance


Disaster in the Oval Office: Dems lead Zelensky, Ukraine off a cliff with pressure to reject mineral deal


Democrats Encouraged Zelensky to Scoff at a Possible Peace Deal, Setting Up Oval Office Blowout

I hate the Democrats so much. They're nothing but domestic terrorists. They won't stop until every single right winger in this country is jailed or murdered.

What are you beetching about? You just posted how you hate Ukraine. The dems made sure you got what you want. Why you beetching at them?

Thats a good point. They finally did something useful by accident.

Most of you are way too young to remember Nixon and Kissinger playing the "China" card to keep the Soviet Union in check. Well, I think it's time to play the "Russia" card against China. If Putin strikes a bargain with the United States to sell us rare earth minerals and the EU picks up the bill for defending Zelensky, I call that a win / win for the U.S.A. It's way past time for those of the EU to shoulder the weight and responsibility of defending their own asses. And it's time for the U.S. and Russia to both acknowledge the growing issues in the Far East and use their clout to keep order and avoid World War which easily could become Global Thermo-Nuclear War.

Russia and the United States are both mineral rich countries and could squeeze China's resources in such a way as to limit their space / satellite development. It's in the self interest of both to do so. Euro Corporatists wrongly want to sell out to Globalism where far eastern sweat shops and cheap labor keep them flush, while their middle class loses land and influence in their own government due to corporate takeover of private land. The problem is on the rise in the U.S. If Russia and the U.S. put their own people back to work and empower them to earn and thrive then it curtails some of the corporate control here. Corporations work the same way in Europe as here. They lobby congress, Bundestag, Parlaiment, etc to spend more and more on their products, while they make those products as cheaply as possible elsewhere where they help to keep the standard and cost of living low and their workers dependent. They use their profits to buy influence and begin to drive up inflation locally due to national debt and lack of employment which allows them to buy up private property relatively cheaply and then measure the cost of owning to set the price for renting. They use regulatory agencies, zoning, building requirements and ordinances to slowly move residents out.

If those bastardos had to pay the cost of defense, actually provide healthcare and benefits to employees, and were not allowed to lobby this crap onslaught by the super wealthy CEOs would end. A Russian / United States curtailment of their abilities to use essentially slave/sweatshop labor abroad by placing tariffs upon that product and forcing them to pay enough corporate tax to fund defense would level this playing field between common citizen and corporation. In the U.S. today the chief purchaser of private land are corporations. By entering that market, they are driving up home costs at a time when they should depreciate with the death of Boomers. Cheaper homes should be part of the inheritance of the subsequent generations. Instead, Corporations and their real estate arms are making sure that doesn't happen so they can squeeze the money from the inheritances out of younger families. IMO we all need to give them the middle finger and the old Southern saying, "Piss on that!"

Globalist is just a new name for a Progressive who believes that the elite and corporate interests should control the world outside of messy government. This is why China isn't really communist but an oligarchy of CEOs running what is essentially a fascist form of government. That attitude is the inheritance of the EU leadership who see their entitlement whether through royalty, or heritage under threat to increases of minorities within their so-called democracies. It is why the French version of the Nazi party has been on the rise.

What the world and the U.S. doesn't need is an oligarchy run by elites as a fascist form of government. Take California and put it on steroids and you get the picture. And those people (rich perverted loons) have always pitted the races against each other and the moral against the immoral and thrive by constant internal conflict from which they remain aloof. That way nobody challenges their right to rule as they contribute to all parties and keep them at each others throats so they don't wise up and together go after the oligarch's throats.

The more the U.S. can deal one on one with other nations and in ways which do not profit corporations directly, the better off we all are. Otherwise, they will spend our national wealth into oblivion, deny our children and grandchildren gainful employment, and squeeze every ounce of wealth from them and leave as all parasites do, an unhealthy body which may or may not make it. The EU and China are such parasites. Australia and New Zealand are now as bad off as Canada when it comes to escaping this insanity. Japan would be a good ally, as well as the poor Asian nations being exploited. Those folks across the pond whose butts we've pulled out of destruction's path twice in the 20th century are not our friends. Some old enemies could be. The 21st century will see a realignment of allied and adversarial relationships. Anyone who thinks those who were with us in WWI and WWII are still allies are crazy. They have disease spread through trade and financial policies and they stick us every time they can.

If you have a hard time distinguishing who our friends and enemies are try this on for size. Zelensky and France and England have a lot in common. They all have taken oodles of money and equipment from us and no matter how many times we've bailed them out they still look down on us, refuse us the respect we are due, and lambast us for being too stupid to realize just how much more we should give them. If one of your children had a friend who took and took from your child and then disrespected him/her would you point out to your child that such a person was not their friend at all? Most of us would. So why do we think nations that do that to our nation are friends?