(03-01-2025 04:45 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

That was a fair assessment. To bad some here aren’t nearly that effective at conveying a thought.

(03-01-2025 05:07 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 04:05 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  There is a reason Clinton and other countries signed the Budapest Memorandum to keep Ukraine from having nukes. And now there are people that wave their flag every chance they get.

I cant find the line in this document where the United States agreed to protect Ukraine from all aggressors in perpetuity for any cost.

I hope some of the slavicucks can enlighten me.

That’s a Tommie Bois line if I ever read one. Way to go, you’ve jumped the shark.

Too bad some formed opinions without watching the entire presser. Z was way out of line.

Vance and Trump did nothing wrong. Did they get frustrated with Z? Of course. But they initiated nothing.

Z had no intention of signing that deal. He came to DC to make his case to the American public, urged on by Susan Rice and a few other Dems before the meeting. He wanted the US to guarantee his security before signing the deal, and before Europe committed to anything. Trump isn't going to do that. He feels we lost enough money that he would like to recoup, and he sure as hell isn't going to risk any American lives.

And Z screwed it up so badly that even the war hawk Lindsay Graham abandoned him.

(03-02-2025 12:56 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 04:45 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

That was a fair assessment. To bad some here aren’t nearly that effective at conveying a thought.

Whats ridiculous is we are just entering the 4th year of the war and we are only now STARTING talks to work toward some sort of peace deal. Maybe talks under Trump will be different---but typically this type of thing takes months or years. The Korean peace talks took around 2 years (and actually never really officially ended the war---they just got to a negotiated cease fire). The Vietnam Peace talks took 5 years before reaching a signing ceremony. A simple cease fire can probably happen quicker---but apparently the Russians have already rejected any ceasefire that is not part of a complete total peace agreement.

(03-02-2025 01:10 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 12:56 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 04:45 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

That was a fair assessment. To bad some here aren’t nearly that effective at conveying a thought.

Whats ridiculous is we are just entering the 4th year of the war and we are only now STARTING talks to work toward some sort of peace deal. Maybe talks under Trump will be different---but typically this type of thing takes months or years. The Korean peace talks took around 2 years (and actually never really officially ended the war---they just got to a negotiated cease fire). The Vietnam Peace talks took 5 years before reaching a signing ceremony. A simple cease fire can probably happen quicker---but apparently the Russians have already rejected any ceasefire that is not part of a complete total peace agreement.

Yes, I agree with you, especially with the first part of your statement. However, the thing is there was a deal in writing that would've been phase one of a three-phase deal that ultimately included peace, and Zelenskyy said no. So the war rages on.

(03-01-2025 09:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  And I know several people who dealt with DJT in NYC. He played all kinds of games on deals. And he knows those games, so he's not offended when people try to get a better deal.

Now you are just making shite up or those "friends did and you believed their bullshite....

I doubt if your "friends" run in Trumps circle of deal making. Not just one but serval. I'm call things that never happened.

Now I'm sure you have one foot in the nursing home

Quote:As the Zelensky worship reaches fever pitch, it's worth looking back at how this "Churchill" became President.

Here's a 2019 video from RFERL on then candidate Zelensky and his oligarch backer, Ihor Kolomoisky. Don't expect our media to ever cover this.

Ihor Kolomoisky is a Ukrainian born Israeli businessman who held Israeli, Ukrainian, and Cypriot citizenship, even though dual citizenship is generally not permitted in Ukraine. In 1992 he and his partner started PrivatBank. At one point the bank handled 30% of all deposits in Ukraine. Kolomoisky quickly became one of the richest men in Ukraine. He was also completely corrupt.

Kolomoisky stole billions from PrivatBank. He would transfer the money to subsidiary PrivatBank Cyprus and from there, launder it all over the world, including the U.S. Although not all of it was stolen, approximately $470 billion was moved from his bank in Ukraine to PrivatBank Cyprus over the years.

In late 2016, after PrivatBank began crumbling and much of the country faced substantial loses, the government of Ukraine took over PrivatBank and nationalized it. Shortly after, Kolomoisky left Ukraine.

Kolomoisky also financed and directed militia groups in Eastern Ukraine. He founded and controlled the Dnipro Battalion and funded the Azov Brigade. He even used militia in an attempt to gain control of an oil company.

Kolomoisky owned the media company that broadcast Zelensky's TV show. He was the main backer of Zelensky's campaign for President. Almost immediately after Zelensky became President, Kolomoisky returned to Ukraine and managed to avoid extradition. After becoming President, Zelensky removed numerous officials who were deemed threats to Kolomoisky's interests.

The Pandora Papers leak in 2021 showed that Zelensky had a network of offshore companies holding millions in assets. The offshore companies were also used to buy pricey London real estate. Although it hasn't been conclusively proven, it has been alleged that $41 million of the money in the offshore accounts came directly from PrivatBank. After the PP leak, Zelensky claimed that he had handed over his shares of the offshore network to a partner, but records show that Zelensky's wife continued to receive payments from the accounts.

After pressure from our government and others, Zelensky began to separate himself from Kolomoisky. In September of 2023 Kolomoisky was arrested in Ukraine and is still being detained, pending trial.

You will not see any of this in stories by our media on Zelensky. Instead they tell us that Zelensky is above reproach, someone we should have no problem giving a blank check to.

Portnoy says Trump and Vance handled the Zelenskyy debacle as well as they could.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dave-portn...g-bravo-tv

Zelensky posted online yesterday that he was ready to sign the deal, but that he still needed a US security agreement.

Fox is reporting this morning that Z met with a group of Dems before the WH meeting, and they convinced him not to sign the deal. WTH did Z think that would buy him?

If Z thinks Europe and Canada will save his bacon despite their words of support by cutting their welfare benefits, he should pause and reconsider.

1. They will need to spend 3% to 5% of GDP on defense. Canada now pays about 1.4%. https://www.statista.com/chart/14636/def...countries/

2. USA pays 16% of NATO's cost, puts up with tariffs allowing an EU $160 billion surplus, provides a nuclear shield, and acts globally (especially via the Navy) to prevent and punish terrorists, pirates, and other bad actors.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/victor-d...yy-blow-up

I hope one of the consequences of the otherwise disastrous meeting is Europe and Canada assuming their rightful burden rather than the American taxpayer and her military members.

(03-01-2025 07:04 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 01:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 12:03 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 08:26 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 08:24 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Trump and his sycophants have only undermined the standing of America in the world in the last month and a half. Verbally attacking Canada and Mexico. Verbally attacking our (former) allies in Europe. And driving away and a wedge between the United States and our former allies and neighbors. Our moral standing now is much less than it was just a month and a half ago. Under this President we are no longer a country that can be counted on. Don't be surprised if the United States is now separated from our former allies because they now see us it's not dependable and, at least with this administration, much closer to gangster States like Russia, China, North Korea and the others because we have a president who doesn't admire good or what's right but only projections of naked gangster type intimidation. That's who Trump is personally and that's who he admires. An insecure bully only picks easy targets. Zielinsky on the other hand is was fighting against an international murderer, for the life of his country, and with great personal risk to himself and is 10 times the man Trump is, was, or ever will be. As the free world turns against the United States I hope enough people take the time to ask themselves what's going on and reevaluate any kind of emotional attachment they have to that man. Nothing he does is an accident.. he's actually a horrible person.

Said like somebody who wants World War III. In fact, every single thing you've ever said on this subforum has been absolute bunk. Just the same old leftist talking points on repeat, which always includes some variation of "ORANGE MAN BAD! REEEEEE! ." Nobody takes you seriously anymore. That is, if they ever did.

Again, SIT! THE MOTHERFUCK! DOWN!

What you said!

Putin has been threatening WWIII with every single weapon sale. At some point believing him on that threat is like believing the MSM. Putin is paranoid, not insane and suicidal.

So many of the idiots on this thread keep saying some of want American boots on the ground, despite us saying we want to AVOID using American troops. We have repeatedly said that. Neville Chamberlin was horribly wrong about "peace in our time," and it cost all of Europe and the US greatly. The surest way to put American troops in harms way is to show weakness like Biden and reward aggression. A bunch of you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth on this.

Now some of you want us to abandon NATO. But unless you want that, you are increasing the chance of Americans having to fight by abandoning Ukraine.

Another really old man, post, still believing this is the USSR of the 70s/80s. That thinks a army that cant take its poor neighbor is going to take over the world. The US has gave this country 200 billion which is like finding a penny on the street compared if Putin attacked a NATO country. Then America would be in with both feet.

The fact you really believe Putin's army is going to try and take over the world is laughable. Almost to the point of needing people to feel sorry for you its that f'ing stupid.

Old man this is not the 60s, 70s or 80s Russia and sure in hell isn't the Germany that was a threat to the world. I see a nursing home in your future not too long from now...

As Ronald Regan told the petulant snot nosed teen demonstrators in his office, don’t give us history lessons you little beetch. We were busy dismantling the USSR while you were chitting your diaper. We are very aware what the USSR was and we are fully aware of what modern Russia is. At least some of us.


Of course I paraphrase a little…..

Again, Ukraine is not our ally. Not outside of NATO, not with NATO, not with EU.

Security guarantees means us getting involved with troops on the ground and we are lucky that Russia has not attacked one of our bases for supplying Ukraine with weapons already.

Democrats are insane.

Democrats and Globalists are losing on every key issue in the United States and most of the European countries electorates are shifting right. They are losing the moral ground and the battle of truth/information.

The only reason democrats demand Trump put soldiers on the ground in Ukraine and weapons in their hands is so the GOP can take the blame for when 100s of thousands of Americans die in someone else’s war and then Democrats can claim “see, look what Trump got us into” and pretend that the democrat party was anti-war all along.

Most of the American Voters and Trump are playing Chess while the rest are playing checkers. We can read democrats moves from a mile away.

We don’t want to be involved in wars.

(03-02-2025 01:03 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 05:07 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 04:05 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  There is a reason Clinton and other countries signed the Budapest Memorandum to keep Ukraine from having nukes. And now there are people that wave their flag every chance they get.

I cant find the line in this document where the United States agreed to protect Ukraine from all aggressors in perpetuity for any cost.

I hope some of the slavicucks can enlighten me.

That’s a Tommie Bois line if I ever read one. Way to go, you’ve jumped the shark.

So you cant find it either

(03-02-2025 02:43 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

Well I guess some of you Putintards should begin explaining to us just how corrupt Putin is since anyone in Ukraine learned exactly how to do it under the influence of him. He probably has stolen more of Russia’s wealth than Ukraine is worth. And yes I know you don’t care. Zelinsky stole YOUR money.

Just cut off aid. Smile and gloat. Hope Russia nukes Ukraine and kills the little green whatever and deal with history from there. I may be old and may not make it to that day but I will absolutely will NOT ENJOY telling anyone that I told you so.

Have at it. Because unlike Shere Karen, I’m not invested in being right here. Only history will tell that story.

(03-02-2025 09:04 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-02-2025 02:43 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

Well I guess some of you Putintards should begin explaining to us just how corrupt Putin is since anyone in Ukraine learned exactly how to do it under the influence of him. He probably has stolen more of Russia’s wealth than Ukraine is worth. And yes I know you don’t care. Zelinsky stole YOUR money.

Just cut off aid. Smile and gloat. Hope Russia nukes Ukraine and kills the little green whatever and deal with history from there. I may be old and may not make it to that day but I will absolutely will NOT ENJOY telling anyone that I told you so.

Have at it. Because unlike Shere Karen, I’m not invested in being right here. Only history will tell that story.

Are you a chick or have i just totally emasculated you.

Maybe get a new username. Was was sme might work.

Youve been right about nothing.

(03-02-2025 08:57 AM)UABFAN23 Wrote:  Again, Ukraine is not our ally. Not outside of NATO, not with NATO, not with EU.

Security guarantees means us getting involved with troops on the ground and we are lucky that Russia has not attacked one of our bases for supplying Ukraine with weapons already.

Democrats are insane.

Democrats and Globalists are losing on every key issue in the United States and most of the European countries electorates are shifting right. They are losing the moral ground and the battle of truth/information.

The only reason democrats demand Trump put soldiers on the ground in Ukraine and weapons in their hands is so the GOP can take the blame for when 100s of thousands of Americans die in someone else’s war and then Democrats can claim “see, look what Trump got us into” and pretend that the democrat party was anti-war all along.

Most of the American Voters and Trump are playing Chess while the rest are playing checkers. We can read democrats moves from a mile away.

We don’t want to be involved in wars.

Ukraine is not an ally in the historical sense. But they are trying to align with western values. And if any of you Shere Karen’s out there think that would be an easy transition from the corruption of the old USSR you are simple minded.