(03-01-2025 05:23 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 05:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 05:07 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 04:05 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  There is a reason Clinton and other countries signed the Budapest Memorandum to keep Ukraine from having nukes. And now there are people that wave their flag every chance they get.

I cant find the line in this document where the United States agreed to protect Ukraine from all aggressors in perpetuity for any cost.

I hope some of the slavicucks can enlighten me.

Honestly, they should just quietly bring in their old nuke guys and build some new ones in secret. Once they make their existence public---say the egregious violations of the Budapest Memorandum allows them to reconstitute their nuke program without violating the nuclear proliferation treaty because they were originally in the nuclear club.

They really wouldnt need anybody else to keep the peace once that was done. The dont need NATO. They can tell Russia can get the F'off their land. Ukraine can be a neutral nuclear armed buffer between NATO and Russia....meaning the Europeans dont really need the US there anymore. There. Solved it.

So it doesnt really say that. I said give ukrainr 2 nukes a year ago. Lol.

Youve been duped. They dont want it to end until Russis is conqueered. Russia will nuke the shite out of Ukraine before they surrender.

Its over. Ukraine lost. If they wanna cease to exist then they can keep poking the bear

Not my continent, not my problem.

Anti-DOGE agitators occupy Tesla dealership in NYC, chant 'Zelensky is a hero'

(03-01-2025 07:07 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Democrat Strategist James Carville Suggests Trump’s ‘Madness’ During Oval Office Blow-Up with Zelensky Caused by Syphilis (VIDEO)

Certain people used to laud Carville as a rational democrat. Imagine that.

lol Oh, NOW the Star-Spangled Banner isn't racist?

Hypocrites. The lot of 'em.

(03-01-2025 01:16 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 01:06 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 12:59 PM)TripleA Wrote:  What exactly is it that you want the US to do?

Start WWIII to protect our “ally” Ukraine. Put American boots on the ground to die to protect our “ally” Ukraine.

Putin has scared my boy I see. Yeah, the dwarf tyrant who can’t even take Ukraine when a supply of western weapons is in the Ukrainians hands is gonna carry on a world war. Some of you seem to have mummified brain cells. Good grief. Watchout don’t upset Putin, he is arming his czar bomba !!!!

Think about what you just wrote and how that goes with your...

"Russia/Putin" is going to try and take over the world. Dude, you have 100% lost it and not making any sense. You are the person saying Putin is going to take over the world if he's not stopped here.

Damn.

(03-01-2025 01:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  So many of the idiots on this thread keep saying some of want American boots on the ground, despite us saying we want to AVOID using American troops. We have repeatedly said that. Neville Chamberlin was horribly wrong about "peace in our time," and it cost all of Europe and the US greatly. The surest way to put American troops in harms way is to show weakness like Biden and reward aggression. A bunch of you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth on this.

Now some of you want us to abandon NATO. But unless you want that, you are increasing the chance of Americans having to fight by abandoning Ukraine.

You aren't making any sense. Ukraine isn't in NATO. If we abandoned NATO that would be fine with me.

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(03-01-2025 07:32 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

I been sayin it, aint i been sayin it

(03-01-2025 07:36 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 01:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  So many of the idiots on this thread keep saying some of want American boots on the ground, despite us saying we want to AVOID using American troops. We have repeatedly said that. Neville Chamberlin was horribly wrong about "peace in our time," and it cost all of Europe and the US greatly. The surest way to put American troops in harms way is to show weakness like Biden and reward aggression. A bunch of you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth on this.

Now some of you want us to abandon NATO. But unless you want that, you are increasing the chance of Americans having to fight by abandoning Ukraine.

You aren't making any sense. Ukraine isn't in NATO. If we abandoned NATO that would be fine with me.

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Im starting to think its better than 50-50 we gone from NATO by the end of Trumps term. We are barely a month into his term and I feel like we are teetering on either leaving or getting kicked out. lol---We are kinda the new Turkey.

(03-01-2025 08:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 07:36 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 01:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  So many of the idiots on this thread keep saying some of want American boots on the ground, despite us saying we want to AVOID using American troops. We have repeatedly said that. Neville Chamberlin was horribly wrong about "peace in our time," and it cost all of Europe and the US greatly. The surest way to put American troops in harms way is to show weakness like Biden and reward aggression. A bunch of you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth on this.

Now some of you want us to abandon NATO. But unless you want that, you are increasing the chance of Americans having to fight by abandoning Ukraine.

You aren't making any sense. Ukraine isn't in NATO. If we abandoned NATO that would be fine with me.

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Im starting to think its better than 50-50 we gone from NATO by the end of Trumps term. We are barely a month into his term and I feel like we are teetering on either leaving or getting kicked out. lol---We are kinda the new Turkey.

Good. Frick em. League of Nations losers. NATO is a damn joke.

(03-01-2025 08:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 07:36 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 01:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  So many of the idiots on this thread keep saying some of want American boots on the ground, despite us saying we want to AVOID using American troops. We have repeatedly said that. Neville Chamberlin was horribly wrong about "peace in our time," and it cost all of Europe and the US greatly. The surest way to put American troops in harms way is to show weakness like Biden and reward aggression. A bunch of you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth on this.

Now some of you want us to abandon NATO. But unless you want that, you are increasing the chance of Americans having to fight by abandoning Ukraine.

You aren't making any sense. Ukraine isn't in NATO. If we abandoned NATO that would be fine with me.

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Im starting to think its better than 50-50 we gone from NATO by the end of Trumps term. We are barely a month into his term and I feel like we are teetering on either leaving or getting kicked out. lol---We are kinda the new Turkey.

We're nothing like Turkey.

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(03-01-2025 08:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 08:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 07:36 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 01:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  So many of the idiots on this thread keep saying some of want American boots on the ground, despite us saying we want to AVOID using American troops. We have repeatedly said that. Neville Chamberlin was horribly wrong about "peace in our time," and it cost all of Europe and the US greatly. The surest way to put American troops in harms way is to show weakness like Biden and reward aggression. A bunch of you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth on this.

Now some of you want us to abandon NATO. But unless you want that, you are increasing the chance of Americans having to fight by abandoning Ukraine.

You aren't making any sense. Ukraine isn't in NATO. If we abandoned NATO that would be fine with me.

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk

Im starting to think its better than 50-50 we gone from NATO by the end of Trumps term. We are barely a month into his term and I feel like we are teetering on either leaving or getting kicked out. lol---We are kinda the new Turkey.

Good. Frick em. League of Nations losers. NATO is a damn joke.

NATO should have ceased to exist when the Soviet Union collapsed.

(03-01-2025 05:02 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 04:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 03:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 03:06 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

And the US will no doubt get it. Like I said---I just dont see how Z or his nation really has any other choice.

They owe Z an apology, but Zelensky has a lot more character than Trump or Vance, so I'm sure he will.

lolno

It’s the other way around. He has far less character than they do and actually owes them an apology. Reneging on a deal your own government ratified on three separate occasions, especially after you said you would sign it multiple times makes an untrustworthy individual. And trust me, Zelenskyy is that kind of individual. No ifs, ands, or buts.

1. There's no proof he reneged.
2. He stood when Biden wanted to fly him out there. He's survived outcounted assassination attempts by Putin.
3. He rallied his country against overwhelming odds. And nobody was fighting with him.
4. While he isn't a good diplomat, he doesn't treat people like dog s___ as Trump and Vance do.

And I know several people who dealt with DJT in NYC. He played all kinds of games on deals. And he knows those games, so he's not offended when people try to get a better deal.

(03-01-2025 04:53 PM)maximus Wrote:  And just like that.... magic

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Good, good, let them foot the bill and if they want to send troops too, go for it. It's a European problem, let them deal with it however they want. We have no business in European affairs especially wars. Sure if they do get into a shootin war with Russia they'll come begging again for our help.

I don't think they'll send troops, they're stupid but not idiots. So, in that case let them spend some of their own dough to defend European interests.

(03-01-2025 09:04 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 08:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 08:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 07:36 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 01:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  So many of the idiots on this thread keep saying some of want American boots on the ground, despite us saying we want to AVOID using American troops. We have repeatedly said that. Neville Chamberlin was horribly wrong about "peace in our time," and it cost all of Europe and the US greatly. The surest way to put American troops in harms way is to show weakness like Biden and reward aggression. A bunch of you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth on this.

Now some of you want us to abandon NATO. But unless you want that, you are increasing the chance of Americans having to fight by abandoning Ukraine.

You aren't making any sense. Ukraine isn't in NATO. If we abandoned NATO that would be fine with me.

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk

Im starting to think its better than 50-50 we gone from NATO by the end of Trumps term. We are barely a month into his term and I feel like we are teetering on either leaving or getting kicked out. lol---We are kinda the new Turkey.

Good. Frick em. League of Nations losers. NATO is a damn joke.

NATO should have ceased to exist when the Soviet Union collapsed.

Too much money was to be made.

(03-01-2025 09:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 05:02 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 04:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 03:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 03:06 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

And the US will no doubt get it. Like I said---I just dont see how Z or his nation really has any other choice.

They owe Z an apology, but Zelensky has a lot more character than Trump or Vance, so I'm sure he will.

lolno

It’s the other way around. He has far less character than they do and actually owes them an apology. Reneging on a deal your own government ratified on three separate occasions, especially after you said you would sign it multiple times makes an untrustworthy individual. And trust me, Zelenskyy is that kind of individual. No ifs, ands, or buts.

1. There's no proof he reneged.
2. He stood when Biden wanted to fly him out there. He's survived outcounted assassination attempts by Putin.
3. He rallied his country against overwhelming odds. And nobody was fighting with him.
4. While he isn't a good diplomat, he doesn't treat people like dog s___ as Trump and Vance do.

No more money. Hooray for him. He can frick right on off.

(03-01-2025 09:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 05:02 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 04:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 03:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 03:06 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

And the US will no doubt get it. Like I said---I just dont see how Z or his nation really has any other choice.

They owe Z an apology, but Zelensky has a lot more character than Trump or Vance, so I'm sure he will.

lolno

It’s the other way around. He has far less character than they do and actually owes them an apology. Reneging on a deal your own government ratified on three separate occasions, especially after you said you would sign it multiple times makes an untrustworthy individual. And trust me, Zelenskyy is that kind of individual. No ifs, ands, or buts.

1. There's no proof he reneged.
2. He stood when Biden wanted to fly him out there. He's survived outcounted assassination attempts by Putin.
3. He rallied his country against overwhelming odds. And nobody was fighting with him.
4. While he isn't a good diplomat, he doesn't treat people like dog s___ as Trump and Vance do.

I'm sorry. Did tanq hijack your account or something? I'm not joking. You've been sounding like him a hell of a lot since yesterday. Like serously, it's like you've gone off the deep end. But I'll play your little game just one more time, then I'm done.

1. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessett said he was supposed to sign it when he went to see him, and Zelenskyy refused, but said he'd sign it in Munich when he met with Vice President Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio. And according to Secretary Rubio, when Zelensky ymet with them, he told them he wouldn't sign it then, but he would sign it in front of them when he met with Trump at the White House. So there's two. (I know that you'll say they're lying, but seriously, what reason would they have to lie about something like that other than "oh, they're just holding the line for Trump?") As for number three, we saw that yesterday on live television with the little stunt he pulled.

2. That's great. Congratulations to him for surviving. I mean it. I'm not one who wishes death on anybody, whether they be friend, foe, or complete stranger. Here's the thing though: He's not the only one who's survived an assassination attempt. Somebody we know who currently occupies the White House survived two last year, including one on live television where he barely escaped with his life.

3. He also threw political opponents in prison, something the left has a hard on for and has been trying to do to us, especially Trump. He's also conscripted citizens to fight this damn war, including older special needs men who have absolutely no business anywhere near a battlefield. But he's a great leader of men. lol Nope.

4. "He doesn't treat people like dogsh*t, like Trump and Vance." Except he wasn't treated like dogsh*t. He got the treatment he deserved by being disrespectful to the leaders who respresent us, and we happen to be Ukraine's top financial backer in this damn proxy war (if we're going by individual country contributions). You don't do that to someone who's not only helped you out so far, but especially someone who's doing what he can to actually limit and even prevent future lives lost on both sides, but especially your country. And that's what Zelenskyy did, and he got treated accordingly. YOU! DON'T! DO! WHAT! ZELENSKYY! DID! AND! EXPECT! TO! BE! TREATED! WITH! KINDNESS! That's what you fail to understand.

He was given the best deal he's ever going to get in order to start the process of bringing an end to this damn war. He spit on it and in our faces in front of the entire word on live television. And yet, we're supposed to say "thank you for spitting on us, sir; please let us kiss your ass?" Not a chance in hell, buddy boy. I'd kick his sorry ass out, too. You do not disrespect your top benefactor in his house, especially when he's the host. And that's what Zelenskyy did.

The fact this has to be explained to you again and again and again by various people, including myself, is maddening. In fact, it's downright stupid. So I'll end it with this: I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. So when you do finally understand that you just don't go into somebody's house as a guest and act like an ungrateful little pile of crap, come talk to me. Otherwise, I'm done explaining it to you. Go bark up someone else's tree.

(02-28-2025 07:20 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:51 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:43 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Britt Hume, Shannon Bream and Harold Ford Jr. are reviewing the Z interview with Baier.

All three said Z is the one who screwed up, not Trump and Vance. They said he came to the meeting totally unprepared, and failed miserably to read the room.

Baier was also critical of Z, agreed with the other 3, and said Z didn't learn a thing from today.

lol Even Brit Hume and Harold Ford, Jr. said Zelenskyy effed up? WOOOOOOW!

Also, I'm currently listening the Michael Berry Show and he said something that caught my attention: We, under Biden, pushed Putin toward China, and Trump's trying to break them up.

So that got me to thinking. Trump can't do that if he openly calls Putin what he's called Zelenskyy in the past. And if he were to tell Zelenskyy that behind closed doors, I'm confident the Ukrainian dingleberry would've spilled the beans because he's been propped up to be this Rambo-like freedom fighter by the American legacy media and the Democrat Party. Today should've been a dose of reality for him, but it wasn't. Hopefully, he wakes up tomorrow, realizes he was wrong, apologizes to Trump in a phone call and later in person, and signs the deal. I doubt he will, but that's what I'm praying for. (Nevermind. I just saw the post you made under this one. lol)

When you lose Lyndsey Graham on Ukraine, its all over but the crying.

There is more at play here than is being told.

Lyndsey Graham said he spoke to Zelenskyy before the Trump meeting and specifically told Zelenskyy don’t take the bait. What was the bait?

Zelenskyy needs to spill the beans as to who is coaching him.

There is an undercurrent here that needs to come to the surface.

(03-01-2025 10:37 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 09:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 05:02 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 04:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 03:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  And the US will no doubt get it. Like I said---I just dont see how Z or his nation really has any other choice.

They owe Z an apology, but Zelensky has a lot more character than Trump or Vance, so I'm sure he will.

lolno

It’s the other way around. He has far less character than they do and actually owes them an apology. Reneging on a deal your own government ratified on three separate occasions, especially after you said you would sign it multiple times makes an untrustworthy individual. And trust me, Zelenskyy is that kind of individual. No ifs, ands, or buts.

1. There's no proof he reneged.
2. He stood when Biden wanted to fly him out there. He's survived outcounted assassination attempts by Putin.
3. He rallied his country against overwhelming odds. And nobody was fighting with him.
4. While he isn't a good diplomat, he doesn't treat people like dog s___ as Trump and Vance do.

No more money. Hooray for him. He can frick right on off.

I think the more appropriate response from me to what tan--er, bullet posted would be this. (You know, instead of yet another explanation of why Zelenskyy's actions were wrong and those by the Trump Administration were warranted.)