(11-19-2024 03:02 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 03:00 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 02:47 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 02:41 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 02:39 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  They're fighting because they're told to fight. And the guy telling them to fight is now a billionaire.

No. He is literally churchill

Reeeeeeeeeee

His first order of business was huge new offensive against his own people, in a conflict that had died down some. And he got exactly what he wanted.

He followed the Saakashvili playbook to the letter. And that former Churchill is in prison.

#FuelTheFire

Coincidentally, that’s what most Ukrainians will be doing this winter, since they have lost power and can’t afford fuel.

It’s gonna be cold lol.

Ukraine has new laws about “storing firewood” for some reason. Odd thing to be focused on at a time like this, but the people arresting priests for preaching in Russian and firing professors for using the Russian conjugation of a scientific word seem to have plenty of time in their hands.

https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/world/new-u...mentation/

As always. Putin wages war on the civilian population. He really cares about out the Russian speaking people in Ukraine. The ones he has killed and bombed their homes that he is trying to freeze and starve to death.

Because they are Russians. The ones Ukraine was bombing. Remember.

Not our business.

Aren’t you one who said the war would be over in a week? A month maybe? Russia would steam roll the Ukraine? I wonder if you carry this on like Tanqi Bois. Hang in there long enough and you might be right about something.

(11-19-2024 03:05 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 03:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 02:55 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 02:39 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 02:20 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  You aren’t a serious poster with that bullchit. They aren’t dying for our war machine. That’s a pretty shallow ignorant statement.

They're fighting because they're told to fight. And the guy telling them to fight is now a billionaire.

Unlike the Russian army that fights because there are guns pointed at their backs that will go off if they turn around.

I have seen sources that say Putin is no longer paying the families of the dead soldiers a stipend as he promised. Another reason for the North Korean troops defending him. If this is true his future doesn’t look to promising. Good luck to him

So what?

Great response. You owned me with that one.

Finally you are getting it

(11-19-2024 02:13 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 01:56 PM)513Alex Wrote:  As Lindsay Graham said Ukraine is sitting on about 15 Trillion in oil/gas/minerals and we want it. Exxon, Haliburton, Chevron, Shell etc were all doing deals over there in 2012-13 then Yanukovych signed a debt deal with Russia (not the West), and the next thing you know the CIA overthrew their government in 2014. Ukraine has been a US puppet since then.

Then why are they fighting the Russians so hard and have killed 250,000 of them and wounded another 500,000? For American corruption? Sure. That’s got to be it. Maybe you can show me one of these wars supposedly fought for oil or minerals where we actually took them. Give it a try. Should be easy since the war for oil sceeee has gone on for decades now.

Ukraine isn't fighting hard lol. We don't "steal" the oil we "steal" the country. That's exactly what happened here. Our global corporations are running the show over there. The Biden Burisma charade was our oil companies using them to acquire state owned Naftogaz and that would be the primary competitor to Russia selling oil and gas to Europe.

U.S. Energy Companies Could Help Ukraine Win Energy Freedom And Neuter Russia
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverst...er-russia/

Naftogaz held talks with US oil companies about energy projects in Ukraine, Financial Times reports
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/...023-04-21/

Here where see Graham say Ukraine he really means the US. He views Ukraine as an American territory.

They're sitting on 10 to $12 trillion of critical minerals in- in Ukraine. They could be the richest country in all of Europe. I don't want to give that money and those assets to Putin to share with China. If we help Ukraine now, they can become the best business partner we ever dreamed of, that 10 to $12 trillion of critical mineral assets could be used by Ukraine and the West, not given to Putin and China. This is a very big deal how Ukraine ends. Let's help them win a war we can't afford to lose. Let's find a solution to this war. But they're sitting on a gold mine. To give Putin 10 or $12 trillion for critical minerals that he will share with China is ridiculous.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lindsey-gra...6-09-2024/

(11-19-2024 03:39 PM)513Alex Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 02:13 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 01:56 PM)513Alex Wrote:  As Lindsay Graham said Ukraine is sitting on about 15 Trillion in oil/gas/minerals and we want it. Exxon, Haliburton, Chevron, Shell etc were all doing deals over there in 2012-13 then Yanukovych signed a debt deal with Russia (not the West), and the next thing you know the CIA overthrew their government in 2014. Ukraine has been a US puppet since then.

Then why are they fighting the Russians so hard and have killed 250,000 of them and wounded another 500,000? For American corruption? Sure. That’s got to be it. Maybe you can show me one of these wars supposedly fought for oil or minerals where we actually took them. Give it a try. Should be easy since the war for oil sceeee has gone on for decades now.

Ukraine isn't fighting hard lol. We don't "steal" the oil we "steal" the country. That's exactly what happened here. Our global corporations are running the show over there. The Biden Burisma charade was our oil companies using them to acquire state owned Naftogaz and that would be the primary competitor to Russia selling oil and gas to Europe.

U.S. Energy Companies Could Help Ukraine Win Energy Freedom And Neuter Russia
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverst...er-russia/

Naftogaz held talks with US oil companies about energy projects in Ukraine, Financial Times reports
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/...023-04-21/

Here where see Graham say Ukraine he really means the US. He views Ukraine as an American territory.

They're sitting on 10 to $12 trillion of critical minerals in- in Ukraine. They could be the richest country in all of Europe. I don't want to give that money and those assets to Putin to share with China. If we help Ukraine now, they can become the best business partner we ever dreamed of, that 10 to $12 trillion of critical mineral assets could be used by Ukraine and the West, not given to Putin and China. This is a very big deal how Ukraine ends. Let's help them win a war we can't afford to lose. Let's find a solution to this war. But they're sitting on a gold mine. To give Putin 10 or $12 trillion for critical minerals that he will share with China is ridiculous.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lindsey-gra...6-09-2024/

Thank you for finally admitting what this is. Like Ive been saying forever, this is nothing but a Putin land grab. It has nothing to do with nations joining NATO OTHER than once a nation joins NATO it kinda becomes off limits to land grabs by Russia. By the way, a Russian commentator said almost the same thing on one of the Russian propaganda shows. He basically said it doesnt matter how many young Russians are lost or how much equipment was lost---the invasion is still worth it because there is 64 trillion (his number) in resources in the ground under new annexed portions of Ukraine. Didnt say a thing about Nazi's or Russian security. His defense of the war was all about money.

That said----the people of Ukraine are fighting hard. Most of those guys in the trenches wont get a dime of these riches being mentioned. Those soldiers are fighting for their nation. If it was about some oligarch making money---the guys in the trenches would fly a white flag, climb out of those icy cold trenches, and go home. They dont give a crap who gets the riches. They are just gunna be grunts chipping the resources out of the ground either way...thats not why they fight.

The people of Ukraine are the people of Ukraine. They are not us, we are not them. All you guys that want to help them should fly over to Ukraine. Bring your own guns and ammo.

(11-19-2024 04:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 03:39 PM)513Alex Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 02:13 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 01:56 PM)513Alex Wrote:  As Lindsay Graham said Ukraine is sitting on about 15 Trillion in oil/gas/minerals and we want it. Exxon, Haliburton, Chevron, Shell etc were all doing deals over there in 2012-13 then Yanukovych signed a debt deal with Russia (not the West), and the next thing you know the CIA overthrew their government in 2014. Ukraine has been a US puppet since then.

Then why are they fighting the Russians so hard and have killed 250,000 of them and wounded another 500,000? For American corruption? Sure. That’s got to be it. Maybe you can show me one of these wars supposedly fought for oil or minerals where we actually took them. Give it a try. Should be easy since the war for oil sceeee has gone on for decades now.

Ukraine isn't fighting hard lol. We don't "steal" the oil we "steal" the country. That's exactly what happened here. Our global corporations are running the show over there. The Biden Burisma charade was our oil companies using them to acquire state owned Naftogaz and that would be the primary competitor to Russia selling oil and gas to Europe.

U.S. Energy Companies Could Help Ukraine Win Energy Freedom And Neuter Russia
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverst...er-russia/

Naftogaz held talks with US oil companies about energy projects in Ukraine, Financial Times reports
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/...023-04-21/

Here where see Graham say Ukraine he really means the US. He views Ukraine as an American territory.

They're sitting on 10 to $12 trillion of critical minerals in- in Ukraine. They could be the richest country in all of Europe. I don't want to give that money and those assets to Putin to share with China. If we help Ukraine now, they can become the best business partner we ever dreamed of, that 10 to $12 trillion of critical mineral assets could be used by Ukraine and the West, not given to Putin and China. This is a very big deal how Ukraine ends. Let's help them win a war we can't afford to lose. Let's find a solution to this war. But they're sitting on a gold mine. To give Putin 10 or $12 trillion for critical minerals that he will share with China is ridiculous.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lindsey-gra...6-09-2024/

Thank you for finally admitting what this is. Like Ive been saying forever, this is nothing but a Putin land grab. It has nothing to do with nations joining NATO OTHER than once a nation joins NATO it kinda becomes off limits to land grabs by Russia. By the way, a Russian commentator said almost the same thing on one of the Russian propaganda shows. He basically said it doesnt matter how many young Russians are lost or how much equipment was lost---the invasion is still worth it because there is 64 trillion (his number) in resources in the ground under new annexed portions of Ukraine. Didnt say a thing about Nazi's or Russian security. His defense of the war was all about money.

That said----the people of Ukraine are fighting hard. Most of those guys in the trenches wont get a dime of these riches being mentioned. Those soldiers are fighting for their nation. If it was about some oligarch making money---the guys in the trenches would fly a white flag, climb out of those icy cold trenches, and go home. They dont give a crap who gets the riches. They are just gunna be grunts chipping the resources out of the ground either way...thats not why they fight.

It's an American land grab, not a Russian one. Russia didn't cross over until years after we overthrew their government and 1 day after Kamala said in Munich that we are going to bring Ukraine into NATO. Here's the difference Ukraine and Russia have a **** ton of resources and Russia get theirs to the market, Ukraine doesn't and needs a partner so it's either Russia or the West. If it's the West it cripples Russia's economy.

And the West want regime change in Russia (like we did in Ukraine) so they can globohomo it and flood the country will 50 million muslims and africans so they can erase Russian identity. Sound familiar?

(11-19-2024 04:39 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  The people of Ukraine are the people of Ukraine. They are not us, we are not them. All you guys that want to help them should fly over to Ukraine. Bring your own guns and ammo.

Who exactly is "us"? Roughly 80% of Democrats and about 40% of Republicans support supplying aid to Ukraine. Just saying....your "us" doesnt include nearly as many people as you seem to think it does. I am VERY sympathetic to the America First agenda---I just dont agree that this support is not in our best interests---and that appears to be a position that the majority of "us" (assuming you mean Americans) seem to hold right now.

"Us" is being forced to support this even though "us" doesn't want to.

(11-19-2024 04:46 PM)513Alex Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 04:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 03:39 PM)513Alex Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 02:13 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 01:56 PM)513Alex Wrote:  As Lindsay Graham said Ukraine is sitting on about 15 Trillion in oil/gas/minerals and we want it. Exxon, Haliburton, Chevron, Shell etc were all doing deals over there in 2012-13 then Yanukovych signed a debt deal with Russia (not the West), and the next thing you know the CIA overthrew their government in 2014. Ukraine has been a US puppet since then.

Then why are they fighting the Russians so hard and have killed 250,000 of them and wounded another 500,000? For American corruption? Sure. That’s got to be it. Maybe you can show me one of these wars supposedly fought for oil or minerals where we actually took them. Give it a try. Should be easy since the war for oil sceeee has gone on for decades now.

Ukraine isn't fighting hard lol. We don't "steal" the oil we "steal" the country. That's exactly what happened here. Our global corporations are running the show over there. The Biden Burisma charade was our oil companies using them to acquire state owned Naftogaz and that would be the primary competitor to Russia selling oil and gas to Europe.

U.S. Energy Companies Could Help Ukraine Win Energy Freedom And Neuter Russia
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverst...er-russia/

Naftogaz held talks with US oil companies about energy projects in Ukraine, Financial Times reports
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/...023-04-21/

Here where see Graham say Ukraine he really means the US. He views Ukraine as an American territory.

They're sitting on 10 to $12 trillion of critical minerals in- in Ukraine. They could be the richest country in all of Europe. I don't want to give that money and those assets to Putin to share with China. If we help Ukraine now, they can become the best business partner we ever dreamed of, that 10 to $12 trillion of critical mineral assets could be used by Ukraine and the West, not given to Putin and China. This is a very big deal how Ukraine ends. Let's help them win a war we can't afford to lose. Let's find a solution to this war. But they're sitting on a gold mine. To give Putin 10 or $12 trillion for critical minerals that he will share with China is ridiculous.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lindsey-gra...6-09-2024/

Thank you for finally admitting what this is. Like Ive been saying forever, this is nothing but a Putin land grab. It has nothing to do with nations joining NATO OTHER than once a nation joins NATO it kinda becomes off limits to land grabs by Russia. By the way, a Russian commentator said almost the same thing on one of the Russian propaganda shows. He basically said it doesnt matter how many young Russians are lost or how much equipment was lost---the invasion is still worth it because there is 64 trillion (his number) in resources in the ground under new annexed portions of Ukraine. Didnt say a thing about Nazi's or Russian security. His defense of the war was all about money.

That said----the people of Ukraine are fighting hard. Most of those guys in the trenches wont get a dime of these riches being mentioned. Those soldiers are fighting for their nation. If it was about some oligarch making money---the guys in the trenches would fly a white flag, climb out of those icy cold trenches, and go home. They dont give a crap who gets the riches. They are just gunna be grunts chipping the resources out of the ground either way...thats not why they fight.

It's an American land grab, not a Russian one. Russia didn't cross over until years after we overthrew their government and 1 day after Kamala said in Munich that we are going to bring Ukraine into NATO. Here's the difference Ukraine and Russia have a **** ton of resources and Russia get theirs to the market, Ukraine doesn't and needs a partner so it's either Russia or the West. If it's the West it cripples Russia's economy.

And the West want regime change in Russia (like we did in Ukraine) so they can globohomo it and flood the country will 50 million muslims and africans so they can erase Russian identity. Sound familiar?

The plan is to get regime change in Russia, provoke a conflict in China, and use Russian people to fight a prolonged war with China to weaken both.

It’s nearly a guarantee that if the West gets ahold of control of Russia, if that alone didn’t provoke an actual war, they would push it until a war broke out.

And then say, “Look, China and Russia can’t get along with anybody.”

We run a sick game. One that we can’t even afford, I might add.

#37TrillionAndCounting

(11-19-2024 04:46 PM)513Alex Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 04:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 03:39 PM)513Alex Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 02:13 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 01:56 PM)513Alex Wrote:  As Lindsay Graham said Ukraine is sitting on about 15 Trillion in oil/gas/minerals and we want it. Exxon, Haliburton, Chevron, Shell etc were all doing deals over there in 2012-13 then Yanukovych signed a debt deal with Russia (not the West), and the next thing you know the CIA overthrew their government in 2014. Ukraine has been a US puppet since then.

Then why are they fighting the Russians so hard and have killed 250,000 of them and wounded another 500,000? For American corruption? Sure. That’s got to be it. Maybe you can show me one of these wars supposedly fought for oil or minerals where we actually took them. Give it a try. Should be easy since the war for oil sceeee has gone on for decades now.

Ukraine isn't fighting hard lol. We don't "steal" the oil we "steal" the country. That's exactly what happened here. Our global corporations are running the show over there. The Biden Burisma charade was our oil companies using them to acquire state owned Naftogaz and that would be the primary competitor to Russia selling oil and gas to Europe.

U.S. Energy Companies Could Help Ukraine Win Energy Freedom And Neuter Russia
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverst...er-russia/

Naftogaz held talks with US oil companies about energy projects in Ukraine, Financial Times reports
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/...023-04-21/

Here where see Graham say Ukraine he really means the US. He views Ukraine as an American territory.

They're sitting on 10 to $12 trillion of critical minerals in- in Ukraine. They could be the richest country in all of Europe. I don't want to give that money and those assets to Putin to share with China. If we help Ukraine now, they can become the best business partner we ever dreamed of, that 10 to $12 trillion of critical mineral assets could be used by Ukraine and the West, not given to Putin and China. This is a very big deal how Ukraine ends. Let's help them win a war we can't afford to lose. Let's find a solution to this war. But they're sitting on a gold mine. To give Putin 10 or $12 trillion for critical minerals that he will share with China is ridiculous.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lindsey-gra...6-09-2024/

Thank you for finally admitting what this is. Like Ive been saying forever, this is nothing but a Putin land grab. It has nothing to do with nations joining NATO OTHER than once a nation joins NATO it kinda becomes off limits to land grabs by Russia. By the way, a Russian commentator said almost the same thing on one of the Russian propaganda shows. He basically said it doesnt matter how many young Russians are lost or how much equipment was lost---the invasion is still worth it because there is 64 trillion (his number) in resources in the ground under new annexed portions of Ukraine. Didnt say a thing about Nazi's or Russian security. His defense of the war was all about money.

That said----the people of Ukraine are fighting hard. Most of those guys in the trenches wont get a dime of these riches being mentioned. Those soldiers are fighting for their nation. If it was about some oligarch making money---the guys in the trenches would fly a white flag, climb out of those icy cold trenches, and go home. They dont give a crap who gets the riches. They are just gunna be grunts chipping the resources out of the ground either way...thats not why they fight.

It's an American land grab, not a Russian one. Russia didn't cross over until years after we overthrew their government and 1 day after Kamala said in Munich that we are going to bring Ukraine into NATO. Here's the difference Ukraine and Russia have a **** ton of resources and Russia get theirs to the market, Ukraine doesn't and needs a partner so it's either Russia or the West. If it's the West it cripples Russia's economy.

And the West want regime change in Russia (like we did in Ukraine) so they can globohomo it and flood the country will 50 million muslims and africans so they can erase Russian identity. Sound familiar?

When did we "overthrow their government"? Are you actually suggesting we sent over hundreds of thousands of protesters and then flooded Ukraine with 9 million CIA operatives to cast votes for a pro-western presidential candidate who won overwhelmingly (the vote was not even remotely close)? When people riot in the street and then overwhelmingly vote for a candidate who reflects the protestors issues---thats at worst a popular uprising---its certainly not reflective of some sort of devious minority military coup. If the people really wanted to be part of a pro-Russian government---why didnt the Ukrainian troops refuse to fight? Why didnt the Ukrainian people welcome the arrival Russian military columns as saviors? If the Ukrainians really wanted to be a pro-Russian puppet state---why is support for the war in Ukraine still high? Critical thinking matters when you look at whether conspiracy theories hold water.

Do not care

Frick em

Not another dime

(11-19-2024 05:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 04:39 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  The people of Ukraine are the people of Ukraine. They are not us, we are not them. All you guys that want to help them should fly over to Ukraine. Bring your own guns and ammo.

Who exactly is "us"? Roughly 80% of Democrats and about 40% of Republicans support supplying aid to Ukraine. Just saying....your "us" doesnt include nearly as many people as you seem to think it does. I am VERY sympathetic to the America First agenda---I just dont agree that this support is not in our best interests---and that appears to be a position that the majority of "us" (assuming you mean Americans) seem to hold right now.

Not even all retard democrats support it.

(11-19-2024 03:39 PM)513Alex Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 02:13 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 01:56 PM)513Alex Wrote:  As Lindsay Graham said Ukraine is sitting on about 15 Trillion in oil/gas/minerals and we want it. Exxon, Haliburton, Chevron, Shell etc were all doing deals over there in 2012-13 then Yanukovych signed a debt deal with Russia (not the West), and the next thing you know the CIA overthrew their government in 2014. Ukraine has been a US puppet since then.

Then why are they fighting the Russians so hard and have killed 250,000 of them and wounded another 500,000? For American corruption? Sure. That’s got to be it. Maybe you can show me one of these wars supposedly fought for oil or minerals where we actually took them. Give it a try. Should be easy since the war for oil sceeee has gone on for decades now.

Ukraine isn't fighting hard lol. We don't "steal" the oil we "steal" the country. That's exactly what happened here. Our global corporations are running the show over there. The Biden Burisma charade was our oil companies using them to acquire state owned Naftogaz and that would be the primary competitor to Russia selling oil and gas to Europe.

U.S. Energy Companies Could Help Ukraine Win Energy Freedom And Neuter Russia
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverst...er-russia/

Naftogaz held talks with US oil companies about energy projects in Ukraine, Financial Times reports
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/...023-04-21/

Here where see Graham say Ukraine he really means the US. He views Ukraine as an American territory.

They're sitting on 10 to $12 trillion of critical minerals in- in Ukraine. They could be the richest country in all of Europe. I don't want to give that money and those assets to Putin to share with China. If we help Ukraine now, they can become the best business partner we ever dreamed of, that 10 to $12 trillion of critical mineral assets could be used by Ukraine and the West, not given to Putin and China. This is a very big deal how Ukraine ends. Let's help them win a war we can't afford to lose. Let's find a solution to this war. But they're sitting on a gold mine. To give Putin 10 or $12 trillion for critical minerals that he will share with China is ridiculous.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lindsey-gra...6-09-2024/

Americans are the best at exploring and extracting oil. To think we would have nothing to do with that is not realistic. Hell we taught the damn Russians how to do it. Have we stolen their oil? Have we stolen Iraq’s oil? No, despite the constant drone of blood for oil that oil is not going to the US.

(11-19-2024 04:39 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  The people of Ukraine are the people of Ukraine. They are not us, we are not them. All you guys that want to help them should fly over to Ukraine. Bring your own guns and ammo.

With 64trillion dollars in new Ukraine assets maybe you'll get that chance over here. You certainly don’t think that Putin will share that wealth with the Russian people do you? Unless of course you are talking about building a more modern and lethal war machine that will enable him to continue his imperialism. The world doesn’t end at the end of your nose.

(11-19-2024 05:35 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 05:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 04:39 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  The people of Ukraine are the people of Ukraine. They are not us, we are not them. All you guys that want to help them should fly over to Ukraine. Bring your own guns and ammo.

Who exactly is "us"? Roughly 80% of Democrats and about 40% of Republicans support supplying aid to Ukraine. Just saying....your "us" doesnt include nearly as many people as you seem to think it does. I am VERY sympathetic to the America First agenda---I just dont agree that this support is not in our best interests---and that appears to be a position that the majority of "us" (assuming you mean Americans) seem to hold right now.

Not even all retard democrats support it.

lol---when have they ALL ever supported something roughly 40% of Republicans also support?

(11-19-2024 04:46 PM)513Alex Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 04:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 03:39 PM)513Alex Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 02:13 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 01:56 PM)513Alex Wrote:  As Lindsay Graham said Ukraine is sitting on about 15 Trillion in oil/gas/minerals and we want it. Exxon, Haliburton, Chevron, Shell etc were all doing deals over there in 2012-13 then Yanukovych signed a debt deal with Russia (not the West), and the next thing you know the CIA overthrew their government in 2014. Ukraine has been a US puppet since then.

Then why are they fighting the Russians so hard and have killed 250,000 of them and wounded another 500,000? For American corruption? Sure. That’s got to be it. Maybe you can show me one of these wars supposedly fought for oil or minerals where we actually took them. Give it a try. Should be easy since the war for oil sceeee has gone on for decades now.

Ukraine isn't fighting hard lol. We don't "steal" the oil we "steal" the country. That's exactly what happened here. Our global corporations are running the show over there. The Biden Burisma charade was our oil companies using them to acquire state owned Naftogaz and that would be the primary competitor to Russia selling oil and gas to Europe.

U.S. Energy Companies Could Help Ukraine Win Energy Freedom And Neuter Russia
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverst...er-russia/

Naftogaz held talks with US oil companies about energy projects in Ukraine, Financial Times reports
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/...023-04-21/

Here where see Graham say Ukraine he really means the US. He views Ukraine as an American territory.

They're sitting on 10 to $12 trillion of critical minerals in- in Ukraine. They could be the richest country in all of Europe. I don't want to give that money and those assets to Putin to share with China. If we help Ukraine now, they can become the best business partner we ever dreamed of, that 10 to $12 trillion of critical mineral assets could be used by Ukraine and the West, not given to Putin and China. This is a very big deal how Ukraine ends. Let's help them win a war we can't afford to lose. Let's find a solution to this war. But they're sitting on a gold mine. To give Putin 10 or $12 trillion for critical minerals that he will share with China is ridiculous.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lindsey-gra...6-09-2024/

Thank you for finally admitting what this is. Like Ive been saying forever, this is nothing but a Putin land grab. It has nothing to do with nations joining NATO OTHER than once a nation joins NATO it kinda becomes off limits to land grabs by Russia. By the way, a Russian commentator said almost the same thing on one of the Russian propaganda shows. He basically said it doesnt matter how many young Russians are lost or how much equipment was lost---the invasion is still worth it because there is 64 trillion (his number) in resources in the ground under new annexed portions of Ukraine. Didnt say a thing about Nazi's or Russian security. His defense of the war was all about money.

That said----the people of Ukraine are fighting hard. Most of those guys in the trenches wont get a dime of these riches being mentioned. Those soldiers are fighting for their nation. If it was about some oligarch making money---the guys in the trenches would fly a white flag, climb out of those icy cold trenches, and go home. They dont give a crap who gets the riches. They are just gunna be grunts chipping the resources out of the ground either way...thats not why they fight.

It's an American land grab, not a Russian one. Russia didn't cross over until years after we overthrew their government and 1 day after Kamala said in Munich that we are going to bring Ukraine into NATO. Here's the difference Ukraine and Russia have a **** ton of resources and Russia get theirs to the market, Ukraine doesn't and needs a partner so it's either Russia or the West. If it's the West it cripples Russia's economy.

And the West want regime change in Russia (like we did in Ukraine) so they can globohomo it and flood the country will 50 million muslims and africans so they can erase Russian identity. Sound familiar?

WTF? How do people come up with this chit?
Is it Russian propaganda y’all are reading? Hate America, it’s all their fault propaganda? Some don’t learn until they get the kick in the balls and it’s to late.

(11-19-2024 05:58 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 04:39 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  The people of Ukraine are the people of Ukraine. They are not us, we are not them. All you guys that want to help them should fly over to Ukraine. Bring your own guns and ammo.

With 64trillion dollars in new Ukraine assets maybe you'll get that chance over here. You certainly don’t think that Putin will share that wealth with the Russian people do you? Unless of course you are talking about building a more modern and lethal war machine that will enable him to continue his imperialism. The world doesn’t end at the end of your nose.

Dude. I don’t give a chit about Putin or Russia either. It’s not either or it’s neither nor. The world DOES end at the end of my nose. Ukraine nor Russia is ANY of my business.

(11-19-2024 05:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 04:46 PM)513Alex Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 04:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 03:39 PM)513Alex Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 02:13 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Then why are they fighting the Russians so hard and have killed 250,000 of them and wounded another 500,000? For American corruption? Sure. That’s got to be it. Maybe you can show me one of these wars supposedly fought for oil or minerals where we actually took them. Give it a try. Should be easy since the war for oil sceeee has gone on for decades now.

Ukraine isn't fighting hard lol. We don't "steal" the oil we "steal" the country. That's exactly what happened here. Our global corporations are running the show over there. The Biden Burisma charade was our oil companies using them to acquire state owned Naftogaz and that would be the primary competitor to Russia selling oil and gas to Europe.

U.S. Energy Companies Could Help Ukraine Win Energy Freedom And Neuter Russia
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverst...er-russia/

Naftogaz held talks with US oil companies about energy projects in Ukraine, Financial Times reports
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/...023-04-21/

Here where see Graham say Ukraine he really means the US. He views Ukraine as an American territory.

They're sitting on 10 to $12 trillion of critical minerals in- in Ukraine. They could be the richest country in all of Europe. I don't want to give that money and those assets to Putin to share with China. If we help Ukraine now, they can become the best business partner we ever dreamed of, that 10 to $12 trillion of critical mineral assets could be used by Ukraine and the West, not given to Putin and China. This is a very big deal how Ukraine ends. Let's help them win a war we can't afford to lose. Let's find a solution to this war. But they're sitting on a gold mine. To give Putin 10 or $12 trillion for critical minerals that he will share with China is ridiculous.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lindsey-gra...6-09-2024/

Thank you for finally admitting what this is. Like Ive been saying forever, this is nothing but a Putin land grab. It has nothing to do with nations joining NATO OTHER than once a nation joins NATO it kinda becomes off limits to land grabs by Russia. By the way, a Russian commentator said almost the same thing on one of the Russian propaganda shows. He basically said it doesnt matter how many young Russians are lost or how much equipment was lost---the invasion is still worth it because there is 64 trillion (his number) in resources in the ground under new annexed portions of Ukraine. Didnt say a thing about Nazi's or Russian security. His defense of the war was all about money.

That said----the people of Ukraine are fighting hard. Most of those guys in the trenches wont get a dime of these riches being mentioned. Those soldiers are fighting for their nation. If it was about some oligarch making money---the guys in the trenches would fly a white flag, climb out of those icy cold trenches, and go home. They dont give a crap who gets the riches. They are just gunna be grunts chipping the resources out of the ground either way...thats not why they fight.

It's an American land grab, not a Russian one. Russia didn't cross over until years after we overthrew their government and 1 day after Kamala said in Munich that we are going to bring Ukraine into NATO. Here's the difference Ukraine and Russia have a **** ton of resources and Russia get theirs to the market, Ukraine doesn't and needs a partner so it's either Russia or the West. If it's the West it cripples Russia's economy.

And the West want regime change in Russia (like we did in Ukraine) so they can globohomo it and flood the country will 50 million muslims and africans so they can erase Russian identity. Sound familiar?

When did we "overthrow their government"? Are you actually suggesting we sent over hundreds of thousands of protesters and then flooded Ukraine with 9 million CIA operatives to cast votes for a pro-western presidential candidate who won overwhelmingly (the vote was not even remotely close)? When people riot in the street and then overwhelmingly vote for a candidate who reflects the protestors issues---thats at worst a popular uprising---its certainly not reflective of some sort of devious minority military coup. If the people really wanted to be part of a pro-Russian government---why didnt the Ukrainian troops refuse to fight? Why didnt the Ukrainian people welcome the arrival Russian military columns as saviors? If the Ukrainians really wanted to be a pro-Russian puppet state---why is support for the war in Ukraine still high? Critical thinking matters when you look at whether conspiracy theories hold water.

And Putin's backed president fled to the protection of Daddy Putin and was unanimously voted to have abandoned the office. Some of his own party abstained, but many voted to remove him and nobody voted against removal. The vote was something like 328-0. After he had police murder protestors, nobody but Putin wanted him anymore.

(11-19-2024 05:23 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  "Us" is being forced to support this even though "us" doesn't want to.

Good grief man. You want me to make a list?

Unfortunately for you and for me “us” aren’t in charge and it’s not done by committee.

Screee all you want. It ain’t gonna change a damn thing. It is what it is. Remember Trump was the first to send lethal aid to Ukraine. He’s not going to follow your wishes and just turn his back on them.

At least the adults will be back in charge. Maybe Trump can get this figured out but I don’t think it will be that high of a priority. And Trump will not abandon them like biden abandoned Afghanistan. He will not project that weakness to our friends and adversaries.

(11-19-2024 05:24 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 04:46 PM)513Alex Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 04:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 03:39 PM)513Alex Wrote:  

(11-19-2024 02:13 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Then why are they fighting the Russians so hard and have killed 250,000 of them and wounded another 500,000? For American corruption? Sure. That’s got to be it. Maybe you can show me one of these wars supposedly fought for oil or minerals where we actually took them. Give it a try. Should be easy since the war for oil sceeee has gone on for decades now.

Ukraine isn't fighting hard lol. We don't "steal" the oil we "steal" the country. That's exactly what happened here. Our global corporations are running the show over there. The Biden Burisma charade was our oil companies using them to acquire state owned Naftogaz and that would be the primary competitor to Russia selling oil and gas to Europe.

U.S. Energy Companies Could Help Ukraine Win Energy Freedom And Neuter Russia
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverst...er-russia/

Naftogaz held talks with US oil companies about energy projects in Ukraine, Financial Times reports
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/...023-04-21/

Here where see Graham say Ukraine he really means the US. He views Ukraine as an American territory.

They're sitting on 10 to $12 trillion of critical minerals in- in Ukraine. They could be the richest country in all of Europe. I don't want to give that money and those assets to Putin to share with China. If we help Ukraine now, they can become the best business partner we ever dreamed of, that 10 to $12 trillion of critical mineral assets could be used by Ukraine and the West, not given to Putin and China. This is a very big deal how Ukraine ends. Let's help them win a war we can't afford to lose. Let's find a solution to this war. But they're sitting on a gold mine. To give Putin 10 or $12 trillion for critical minerals that he will share with China is ridiculous.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lindsey-gra...6-09-2024/

Thank you for finally admitting what this is. Like Ive been saying forever, this is nothing but a Putin land grab. It has nothing to do with nations joining NATO OTHER than once a nation joins NATO it kinda becomes off limits to land grabs by Russia. By the way, a Russian commentator said almost the same thing on one of the Russian propaganda shows. He basically said it doesnt matter how many young Russians are lost or how much equipment was lost---the invasion is still worth it because there is 64 trillion (his number) in resources in the ground under new annexed portions of Ukraine. Didnt say a thing about Nazi's or Russian security. His defense of the war was all about money.

That said----the people of Ukraine are fighting hard. Most of those guys in the trenches wont get a dime of these riches being mentioned. Those soldiers are fighting for their nation. If it was about some oligarch making money---the guys in the trenches would fly a white flag, climb out of those icy cold trenches, and go home. They dont give a crap who gets the riches. They are just gunna be grunts chipping the resources out of the ground either way...thats not why they fight.

It's an American land grab, not a Russian one. Russia didn't cross over until years after we overthrew their government and 1 day after Kamala said in Munich that we are going to bring Ukraine into NATO. Here's the difference Ukraine and Russia have a **** ton of resources and Russia get theirs to the market, Ukraine doesn't and needs a partner so it's either Russia or the West. If it's the West it cripples Russia's economy.

And the West want regime change in Russia (like we did in Ukraine) so they can globohomo it and flood the country will 50 million muslims and africans so they can erase Russian identity. Sound familiar?

The plan is to get regime change in Russia, provoke a conflict in China, and use Russian people to fight a prolonged war with China to weaken both.

It’s nearly a guarantee that if the West gets ahold of control of Russia, if that alone didn’t provoke an actual war, they would push it until a war broke out.

And then say, “Look, China and Russia can’t get along with anybody.”

We run a sick game. One that we can’t even afford, I might add.

#37TrillionAndCounting

Easiest way to split the China-Russia union is for Russia to fire a nuke. China wants no part of normalizing the use of nukes in a conventional war. It means China will forever lose the ability to take back Taiwan. One nuke in the Straight and the entire Chinese invasion fleet is gone in an instant. It means encroaching on the Indian border suddenly becomes a non-starter. Their South Pacific expansionism suddenly hits a nuclear brick wall--not to mention it would hardly be a surprise if Taiwan (perhaps even Japan) went nuclear virtually overnight. None of that is helpful to China's agenda.