(11-12-2024 09:45 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  He is the first appointment causing pause for me. The DOD is a massive entity entrusted with protecting us from our enemies and he has no large scale management experience.

No, but he's an Ivy League grad with 20 years of front line experience. Based on what I saw in Afghanistan----my guess is he cant do any worse than the DEI based hires that preceded him. Keep in mind, the Joint Chiefs are the guys that will actually be running each individual service. In the end---he's the civilian head of the DOD and I have no reason to believe a Princeton grad with a Harvard masters degree in public policy, with 20 years of military experience (including a stint as a top policy official at the Pentagon) wont make a fine civilian head of the DOD. While the DOD is huge, the Secretary of Defense position is more of a policy and decision maker position than it is a true hands on nuts and bolts management position. He will be just fine making decisions that define direction, policy, and priorities.

It is going to be interesting, that's for sure. Hegseth is the anti-MIC.

People love outsiders until it’s time to actually put outsiders in place and then they get all scared and wants bureaucracy and status quo even though it’s not working

I like the idea of not having another retired fat cat general who rose to his level of incompetence and got the job as a political kickback. I think Hesgeth is still serving as a line officer O-4 in the army or national guard.

Talks about China:

Fixing the Military:

Interesting choice. The quote about getting rid of the Woke in the ranks was dub though. That is not strategic that is vindictive.

what he should have said is something along the lines of: A review of qualifications and performance will be conducted and changes in the ranks will be made accordingly.


I am dumb but I am not stupid. There is a time for brute force and there is a time for diplomacy. This is one of those diplomatic situations.

Why? Fix what's broken and don't apologize about fixing it.

(11-13-2024 12:55 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Interesting choice. The quote about getting rid of the Woke in the ranks was dub though. That is not strategic that is vindictive.

what he should have said is something along the lines of: A review of qualifications and performance will be conducted and changes in the ranks will be made accordingly.


I am dumb but I am not stupid. There is a time for brute force and there is a time for diplomacy. This is one of those diplomatic situations.

Why be diplomatic with something that shouldn’t be a part of the military? Woke, DEI….etc is basically add-ons and extra-curricular and has nothing to do with the core mission of the DOD

(11-13-2024 12:55 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Interesting choice. The quote about getting rid of the Woke in the ranks was dub though. That is not strategic that is vindictive.

what he should have said is something along the lines of: A review of qualifications and performance will be conducted and changes in the ranks will be made accordingly.


I am dumb but I am not stupid. There is a time for brute force and there is a time for diplomacy. This is one of those diplomatic situations.

I can't agree with that posit ... (his position is for the benefit of the majority gain via synergy in value)

why?!: b/c we're talking about how a hierarchy has to operate when orders are issued to achieve 'gain' ... everything else is bs fagoo-ism...

now, if one wants to discuss how the USD can continue to cripple the rest of the least in a globo-homo-landia .... well, I'm all fk'n dumbo ears ...

Fix what's broken.

Most of it is broken.

(11-13-2024 12:55 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Interesting choice. The quote about getting rid of the Woke in the ranks was dub though. That is not strategic that is vindictive.

what he should have said is something along the lines of: A review of qualifications and performance will be conducted and changes in the ranks will be made accordingly.


I am dumb but I am not stupid. There is a time for brute force and there is a time for diplomacy. This is one of those diplomatic situations.

I guess I heard it different. My sense is he doesnt want anyone involved in the decision making chain who prioritize DEI over war fighting ability. That's not vindictive in my eyes---it just seems like common sense to me. Nobody wants racisim or descrimination---but that isnt what DEI is about. DEI is a goal all to itself. Its almost a religion. Once DEI becomes entrenched, DEI becomes the actual goal and it undermines the ability to have a merit based color blind fighting force that prioritizes performance over all other metrics.

I like his singular focus of the military on war fighting. The military is not an agent of social change. Their job is to kill and destroy our enemies.

(11-12-2024 08:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  He's a war veteran. That right there qualifies him.

Is he really qualified to take this job in the first place? Have he ever run something as big as this before? If not? He may destroy our military not knowing what should be done. Being a veteran does not mean he is the right man for the job.

(11-13-2024 01:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-13-2024 12:55 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Interesting choice. The quote about getting rid of the Woke in the ranks was dub though. That is not strategic that is vindictive.

what he should have said is something along the lines of: A review of qualifications and performance will be conducted and changes in the ranks will be made accordingly.


I am dumb but I am not stupid. There is a time for brute force and there is a time for diplomacy. This is one of those diplomatic situations.

I guess I heard it different. My sense is he doesnt want anyone involved in the decision making chain who prioritize DEI over war fighting ability. That's not vindictive in my eyes---it just seems like common sense to me. Nobody wants racisim or descrimination---but that isnt what DEI is about. DEI is a goal all to itself. Its almost a religion. Once DEI becomes entrenched, DEI becomes the actual goal and it undermines the ability to have a merit based color blind fighting force that prioritizes performance over all other metrics.

I agree with you coog... My post has nothing to do with the goal, it was more about the wrapping around the package.

I used the word "vindictive" because his messaging comes off as personal, "unqualified" is much harder to fight even if it is still subjective by those who deem what qualified is.

If Trump wants to be up there and espouse [to paraphrase] fighting for everyone whether you voted for him or not; a "Kill the Woke" message does not line up that way.


The woke people do not need any gas on their fire to act like idiots, they do that all by themselves every day. Stuff like what Hesgeth said allow them to [try to] be the victim -- don't give them that.

(11-13-2024 01:41 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-12-2024 08:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  He's a war veteran. That right there qualifies him.

Is he really qualified to take this job in the first place? Have he ever run something as big as this before? If not? He may destroy our military not knowing what should be done. Being a veteran does not mean he is the right man for the job.

He seems qualified enough to know who to fire and what to cut out. He’s going to have several undersecretaries on board that will do the day to day operations

(11-13-2024 01:41 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-12-2024 08:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  He's a war veteran. That right there qualifies him.

Is he really qualified to take this job in the first place? Have he ever run something as big as this before? If not? He may destroy our military not knowing what should be done. Being a veteran does not mean he is the right man for the job.

it's almost unfair ... @napes

(11-13-2024 01:41 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-12-2024 08:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  He's a war veteran. That right there qualifies him.

Is he really qualified to take this job in the first place? Have he ever run something as big as this before? If not? He may destroy our military not knowing what should be done. Being a veteran does not mean he is the right man for the job.

Are you qualified for anything at all?

(11-13-2024 01:44 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(11-13-2024 01:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-13-2024 12:55 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Interesting choice. The quote about getting rid of the Woke in the ranks was dub though. That is not strategic that is vindictive.

what he should have said is something along the lines of: A review of qualifications and performance will be conducted and changes in the ranks will be made accordingly.


I am dumb but I am not stupid. There is a time for brute force and there is a time for diplomacy. This is one of those diplomatic situations.

I guess I heard it different. My sense is he doesnt want anyone involved in the decision making chain who prioritize DEI over war fighting ability. That's not vindictive in my eyes---it just seems like common sense to me. Nobody wants racisim or descrimination---but that isnt what DEI is about. DEI is a goal all to itself. Its almost a religion. Once DEI becomes entrenched, DEI becomes the actual goal and it undermines the ability to have a merit based color blind fighting force that prioritizes performance over all other metrics.

I agree with you coog... My post has nothing to do with the goal, it was more about the wrapping around the package.

I used the word "vindictive" because his messaging comes off as personal, "unqualified" is much harder to fight even if it is still subjective by those who deem what qualified is.

If Trump wants to be up there and espouse [to paraphrase] fighting for everyone whether you voted for him or not; a "Kill the Woke" message does not line up that way.


The woke people do not need any gas on their fire to act like idiots, they do that all by themselves every day. Stuff like what Hesgeth said allow them to [try to] be the victim -- don't give them that.

"spoil the pets - never the children" - stinkfist

teething never stops until nothing is 'left' when the candy store is open 24/7/365.25 ...

Quote:Let me tell you something about your new nominee for SecDef. Yeah he’s my friend and an awesome patriot and I’d go to the wall for him. But I’m not alone.

I’m thankful that because of my job I have gotten to know hundreds of SEALS, Green Berets, Marines, pilots and infantrymen. The men who actually fight wars. And he has the respect of them ALL.

You see, importantly for America he’s a war fighter. Who understands war fighters. He hasn’t spent his career climbing the ladder of ass kissing promotions and defense contractor hand shakes. He hasn’t sold his soul for another star on his uniform. He won his medals on the battlefield.

He’s wicked smart. But more importantly principled and strong. He understands the purpose of the U.S. military. And he will make it GREAT AGAIN.

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So damn proud …for the first time in a long time