(08-13-2024 02:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:32 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:08 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:06 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Freedom for women to make choices about their own bodies, whatever state they reside in.
Freedom to live without the scourge of gun violence.
Pass and sign the bipartisan Border Security bill scuttled by Trump.
Continue to lead the free world in support of Ukraine against Russian aggression until Putin is defeated.

Plenty more as others have noted, these four stand out for me as bringing significant policy differences from the GOP nominee.

Kill babies in the womb
Take away most/all guns
Sign border bill that does little
Give more money to corrupt Ukrainian government

FYP.

Kill babies in the womb = Force women to give birth, in some states even if raped or their health is endangered
Take away most/all guns = Continue to enjoy frequent mass shootings, unlike any other developed nation, as streets remain awash in weapons of war wholly unnecessary for sport or defensive use
Sign border bill that does little = Massively disrupt American life and economy with mass deportations
Give more money to corrupt Ukrainian government = Bend the knee to Putin's aggression and support the carve-up of Ukraine

FYP.

Of course, nobody does #1. That's just MSM lies.

You can't uncork the bottle. We can't stop illegal drugs. You think you can stop illegal guns? Only criminals and smart people who hide their weapons will have guns. Murders are almost all committed by bad people. They will still have guns.
Importing 10 million illegals has massively disrupted American life and the economy.

Trump actually gave Ukrainians weapons to defend themselves. Obama/Biden gave them socks. Putin would have rolled in to Kiev in 3 weeks if not for Trump. Biden keeps putting handcuffs on the Ukrainian use of weapons, allowing the incursion near Kharkiv. Its a Vietnam type policy except Ukraine doesn't have unlimited manpower and massive air superiority like the US did.

Incorrect. After Dobbs, 25% of the states in this union do not have exceptions for risks to the pregnant womens health (only if her life is in danger) and/or in cases where the pregnancy results from a rape -

Alabama (no rape exception)
Arkansas (no rape or health exception)
Idaho (no health exception)
Kentucky (no rape exception)
Louisiana (no rape exception)
Missouri (no rape or health exception)
North Dakota (no health exception)
Oklahoma (no rape or health exception)
South Dakota (no rape or health exception)
Tennessee (no rape exception)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_l...tate_table

Less than 500 deaths per year attributed to rifles OF ALL TYPES. Death by AR-15 is probably ~30. More people are killed with hammers.

Illegal aliens kill WAY more people than that every year.

(08-13-2024 03:10 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:32 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:08 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:06 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Freedom for women to make choices about their own bodies, whatever state they reside in.
Freedom to live without the scourge of gun violence.
Pass and sign the bipartisan Border Security bill scuttled by Trump.
Continue to lead the free world in support of Ukraine against Russian aggression until Putin is defeated.

Plenty more as others have noted, these four stand out for me as bringing significant policy differences from the GOP nominee.

Kill babies in the womb
Take away most/all guns
Sign border bill that does little
Give more money to corrupt Ukrainian government

FYP.

Kill babies in the womb = Force women to give birth, in some states even if raped or their health is endangered
Take away most/all guns = Continue to enjoy frequent mass shootings, unlike any other developed nation, as streets remain awash in weapons of war wholly unnecessary for sport or defensive use
Sign border bill that does little = Massively disrupt American life and economy with mass deportations
Give more money to corrupt Ukrainian government = Bend the knee to Putin's aggression and support the carve-up of Ukraine

FYP.

Of course, nobody does #1. That's just MSM lies.

You can't uncork the bottle. We can't stop illegal drugs. You think you can stop illegal guns? Only criminals and smart people who hide their weapons will have guns. Murders are almost all committed by bad people. They will still have guns.
Importing 10 million illegals has massively disrupted American life and the economy.

Trump actually gave Ukrainians weapons to defend themselves. Obama/Biden gave them socks. Putin would have rolled in to Kiev in 3 weeks if not for Trump. Biden keeps putting handcuffs on the Ukrainian use of weapons, allowing the incursion near Kharkiv. Its a Vietnam type policy except Ukraine doesn't have unlimited manpower and massive air superiority like the US did.

Incorrect. After Dobbs, over 25% of the states in this union do not have exceptions for risks to the pregnant womens health (only if her life is in danger) and/or in cases where the pregnancy results from a rape -

Alabama (no rape exception)
Arkansas (no rape or health exception)
Idaho (no health exception)
Kentucky (no rape exception)
Louisiana (no rape exception)
Missouri (no rape or health exception)
North Dakota (no health exception)
Oklahoma (no rape or health exception)
South Dakota (no rape or health exception)
Tennessee (no rape exception)
Texas (no rape or health exception)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_l...tate_table

Even your source says its information may be outdated.
And abortions are still permitted up to a certain time for any reason. For example, in Texas it is a heartbeat which is around 6 weeks.

(08-13-2024 03:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 03:10 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:32 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:08 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  Kill babies in the womb
Take away most/all guns
Sign border bill that does little
Give more money to corrupt Ukrainian government

FYP.

Kill babies in the womb = Force women to give birth, in some states even if raped or their health is endangered
Take away most/all guns = Continue to enjoy frequent mass shootings, unlike any other developed nation, as streets remain awash in weapons of war wholly unnecessary for sport or defensive use
Sign border bill that does little = Massively disrupt American life and economy with mass deportations
Give more money to corrupt Ukrainian government = Bend the knee to Putin's aggression and support the carve-up of Ukraine

FYP.

Of course, nobody does #1. That's just MSM lies.

You can't uncork the bottle. We can't stop illegal drugs. You think you can stop illegal guns? Only criminals and smart people who hide their weapons will have guns. Murders are almost all committed by bad people. They will still have guns.
Importing 10 million illegals has massively disrupted American life and the economy.

Trump actually gave Ukrainians weapons to defend themselves. Obama/Biden gave them socks. Putin would have rolled in to Kiev in 3 weeks if not for Trump. Biden keeps putting handcuffs on the Ukrainian use of weapons, allowing the incursion near Kharkiv. Its a Vietnam type policy except Ukraine doesn't have unlimited manpower and massive air superiority like the US did.

Incorrect. After Dobbs, over 25% of the states in this union do not have exceptions for risks to the pregnant womens health (only if her life is in danger) and/or in cases where the pregnancy results from a rape -

Alabama (no rape exception)
Arkansas (no rape or health exception)
Idaho (no health exception)
Kentucky (no rape exception)
Louisiana (no rape exception)
Missouri (no rape or health exception)
North Dakota (no health exception)
Oklahoma (no rape or health exception)
South Dakota (no rape or health exception)
Tennessee (no rape exception)
Texas (no rape or health exception)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_l...tate_table

Even your source says its information may be outdated.
And abortions are still permitted up to a certain time for any reason. For example, in Texas it is a heartbeat which is around 6 weeks.

You’re debating a man who has a ******. You don’t understand a woman/transexual’s right to choose the way Gamenole does. Stop mansplaining to she/him.

(08-13-2024 03:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 03:10 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:32 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:08 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  Kill babies in the womb
Take away most/all guns
Sign border bill that does little
Give more money to corrupt Ukrainian government

FYP.

Kill babies in the womb = Force women to give birth, in some states even if raped or their health is endangered
Take away most/all guns = Continue to enjoy frequent mass shootings, unlike any other developed nation, as streets remain awash in weapons of war wholly unnecessary for sport or defensive use
Sign border bill that does little = Massively disrupt American life and economy with mass deportations
Give more money to corrupt Ukrainian government = Bend the knee to Putin's aggression and support the carve-up of Ukraine

FYP.

Of course, nobody does #1. That's just MSM lies.

You can't uncork the bottle. We can't stop illegal drugs. You think you can stop illegal guns? Only criminals and smart people who hide their weapons will have guns. Murders are almost all committed by bad people. They will still have guns.
Importing 10 million illegals has massively disrupted American life and the economy.

Trump actually gave Ukrainians weapons to defend themselves. Obama/Biden gave them socks. Putin would have rolled in to Kiev in 3 weeks if not for Trump. Biden keeps putting handcuffs on the Ukrainian use of weapons, allowing the incursion near Kharkiv. Its a Vietnam type policy except Ukraine doesn't have unlimited manpower and massive air superiority like the US did.

Incorrect. After Dobbs, over 25% of the states in this union do not have exceptions for risks to the pregnant womens health (only if her life is in danger) and/or in cases where the pregnancy results from a rape -

Alabama (no rape exception)
Arkansas (no rape or health exception)
Idaho (no health exception)
Kentucky (no rape exception)
Louisiana (no rape exception)
Missouri (no rape or health exception)
North Dakota (no health exception)
Oklahoma (no rape or health exception)
South Dakota (no rape or health exception)
Tennessee (no rape exception)
Texas (no rape or health exception)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_l...tate_table

Even your source says its information may be outdated.
And abortions are still permitted up to a certain time for any reason. For example, in Texas it is a heartbeat which is around 6 weeks.

Thanks bullet, that is always a risk and certainly with Wikipedia. I did google and find Texas has a heartbeat law, and as unacceptable as that is to me as policy it was not my intent to list those states in that post. Only the most draconian states with zero option for elective abortion, and clearly Texas does not belong on that list. I've edited the original to reflect that, if anyone else finds an error on the list please let me know.

(08-13-2024 04:21 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 03:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 03:10 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:32 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Kill babies in the womb = Force women to give birth, in some states even if raped or their health is endangered
Take away most/all guns = Continue to enjoy frequent mass shootings, unlike any other developed nation, as streets remain awash in weapons of war wholly unnecessary for sport or defensive use
Sign border bill that does little = Massively disrupt American life and economy with mass deportations
Give more money to corrupt Ukrainian government = Bend the knee to Putin's aggression and support the carve-up of Ukraine

FYP.

Of course, nobody does #1. That's just MSM lies.

You can't uncork the bottle. We can't stop illegal drugs. You think you can stop illegal guns? Only criminals and smart people who hide their weapons will have guns. Murders are almost all committed by bad people. They will still have guns.
Importing 10 million illegals has massively disrupted American life and the economy.

Trump actually gave Ukrainians weapons to defend themselves. Obama/Biden gave them socks. Putin would have rolled in to Kiev in 3 weeks if not for Trump. Biden keeps putting handcuffs on the Ukrainian use of weapons, allowing the incursion near Kharkiv. Its a Vietnam type policy except Ukraine doesn't have unlimited manpower and massive air superiority like the US did.

Incorrect. After Dobbs, over 25% of the states in this union do not have exceptions for risks to the pregnant womens health (only if her life is in danger) and/or in cases where the pregnancy results from a rape -

Alabama (no rape exception)
Arkansas (no rape or health exception)
Idaho (no health exception)
Kentucky (no rape exception)
Louisiana (no rape exception)
Missouri (no rape or health exception)
North Dakota (no health exception)
Oklahoma (no rape or health exception)
South Dakota (no rape or health exception)
Tennessee (no rape exception)
Texas (no rape or health exception)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_l...tate_table

Even your source says its information may be outdated.
And abortions are still permitted up to a certain time for any reason. For example, in Texas it is a heartbeat which is around 6 weeks.

You’re debating a man who has a ******. You don’t understand a woman/transexual’s right to choose the way Gamenole does. Stop mansplaining to she/him.

What in the world do transexuals have to do with abortion policy? Your side seems to enjoy inserting your transphobia into everything, likely a deep seated longing of some sort. I wonder what Dr. Freud would say?

(08-13-2024 04:30 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  What in the world do transexuals have to do with abortion policy? Your side seems to enjoy inserting your transphobia into everything, likely a deep seated longing of some sort. I wonder what Dr. Freud would say?

What do YOU have to do with abortion policy?

(08-13-2024 02:05 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  From what I'm reading about negative income tax it sounds like "means testing" in the same way that the covid checks were means tested, in that when you file your taxes if you earned too much you didn't get it, but I'm absolutely not an expert on this so I'd love to have this clarified for me if my understanding is wrong.

I don't know what you have been reading, but there is absolutely nothing means tested about the negative income tax or the Boortz-Linder prebate/prefund. That's why the administrative costs are so low.

(08-13-2024 11:23 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 11:05 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Now I know why b0nds and I rarely agree. The only one of his 5 I care about is #1, and we both know it's not happening, b/c those are the peeps in charge, either party.

Beyond that, my top 5, in no particular order, are:

1. Policies that boost the economy in a sustainable manner.
2. A closed border and deportation of practically everyone who came here illegally. Go back home and come back in through a real vetting system.
3. Significant reduction in crime through support of police, not defunding them.
4. Significant reduction in the federal government, similar to what Argentina is now doing, only more.
5. End of weaponization of the justice system against political opponents.

Bottom line, just stay out of our business and leave us alone, and let capitalism reign.

You don't support strong anti-trust enforcement? You simp for monopolies? Obviously I get unions and universal programs are not getting any support on this board, but really thought that one wasn't that controversial.

I didn't say I necessarily disliked any of yours. They're just not high on my radar. I simply like mine better.

(08-13-2024 11:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 11:19 AM)banker Wrote:  More simple question. How can you listen to her speak and think “this is who needs to represent my country at the highest level”?

She has accomplished little to nothing in her life except failing up the political ladder. At least Trump has built a lot of buildings in a bunch of places which, if you have ever dealt with that process, is not easy. He knows how to negotiate, which frankly is the most important skill for a president.

The cognitive dissonance is working overtime with this one.

trump couldn't build a lego model of baby Yoga.

You really have no concept of the process one must go through to build a high rise tower in NY or any of the many other jurisdictions that Trump has built in. Plus, every single one is different. You are negotiating with multiple government agencies at the federal, state and local level, utility boards, labor, sub contractors, vendors, environmental groups, community groups, and more. It’s a multi-year process from concept and site location through completion and everybody has a different idea of what they want to see to get approvals.

You have to get all those people to end up at the same spot, which is as close to the spot you wanted when you started. You have to imagine what can be, unburdened by what has been, but then you have to quit imagining and actually do it.

(08-13-2024 10:45 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Since we have established anything said about Harris won’t be taken seriously, what are Trump’s policies? He loves to call out the problem but very light on solutions? If he wins is it another 4 years of promising a better ACA and getting zilch?

I unmuted this response just to see what you might have to say. You never disappoint. More idiocy and intellectual laziness. I'm being generous by calling it laziness rather than what it probably really is, stupidity.

If you don't know the difference between the two by now it's because you are a rank partisan with no desire to actually inform yourself. If you can't see the difference between the two terms of the last 8 years then it's because you're an idiot incapable of independent thought.

(08-13-2024 10:52 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 10:25 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Serious question. Not being bombastic here.

What are the policies you will vote for and why do you believe Harris-Walz will properly address those policies?

I'm not "liberal" but waste of time getting into the distictions.

So if you ask me the policies I care about and will Harris/Walz address them here they are.

1. Addressing the issue of big money influence in politics: LOL no they won't address that, but neither major party will so just view that as a both suck on it issue and move on.

2. Support and encouragement of the revived labor/union movement: Highly doubt they'll be perfect here, I'm sure they'll do a whole lot I'll be critical of, but the fact that unions came out hard against Shapiro and in support of picking Walz and she picked Walz gives me some hope she'll be closer to Biden on it than the Clinton/Obama positioning on unions.

3. Continued focus on anti-trust enforcement: This one I'm concerned about. This was the biggest break from the Clinton/Obama policies from Biden. Khan with the FTC and Kanter with the DOJ have been great on this, but the large money donors are pushing crazy hard for Harris to fire both if she wins, and a lot of her advisors are people who would probably be supportive of doing that. This is the thing I'm focused on the most to hear what her plans are, if she ever actually releases any.

4. Pushing for a Universal Healthcare System: I know even Bernie wouldn't have gotten this done, but she long ago showed she was faking support for Medicare for All and I don't see anything happening here in any way from Harris/Walz. I doubt she even pushes seriously for what Biden lied and said he supported, a public option. I expect nothing here.

5. Pushing for some of the things that Manchin/Sinema got stripped out of the original Build Back Better bill like Universal Pre K, Paid Family and Medical Leave, etc. and reinstating the Child Tax Credit. This is actually the thing Harris has the most track record supporting and Walz got a lot of it done as Governor. Not convinced they will have the votes to get it done but I'm pretty convinced they'll actually put in real effort to do it and that's about as good as you can hope for.

So of my top 5 items #2 and 3 she has pretty wide ranging power to help without congressional action and I think she'll probably be decent on #2 and completely up in the air on #3. #1 and 4 no one is going to do anything about they are pipe dreams at this point. #5 I think they'll try but that takes congress and not confident they'll have the support or ability to get them done.

I'm not "liberal", and then you spend an entire post hawking liberal dream items. The hell you aint.

(08-13-2024 02:52 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:32 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Take away most/all guns = Continue to enjoy frequent mass shootings, unlike any other developed nation, as streets remain awash in weapons of war wholly unnecessary for sport or defensive use

Hey numbnuts. Very very few "shootings" are committed by legal gun owners. Criminals who don't obey gun laws in the first place are who you're thinking about. And most citizens already can't buy a "weapon of war". An AR-15 is NOT a weapon of war and you'll never see a soldier carrying one in combat. Go try to buy an M-16 or similar you child. My gosh you people are ignorant.

More than 80% of the assailants responsible for K-12 shootings stole their guns from family members, per the National Institute of Justice.

(08-13-2024 11:20 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 10:54 AM)b2b Wrote:  b0nds, why do you care about unions? Are you in a union or something? Have you had any experience in trying to work with them? Also, I hope you understand what you're asking for with "universal" this and that.

Because increased worker power is good for workers in terms of pay, working conditions, and benefits. Are unions probably more annoying to deal with for companies? Yeah probably because you can't just treat individual workers however you want with almost zero recourse, which sounds good to me.

I understand what would have to happen to have "universal" programs, but if you are just asking me and not what Dems would do I personally know there are a whole bunch of current programs that hire thousands of do work employees to means test and make people jump through insane hoops to get any benefits that you can just completely get rid of.

I'm for giving a whole lot more taxpayer benefits to people, but means testing anything you give out on the front end is a massive waste of money because of all agencies and nonsense you have to create to do that technocratic nonsense. When the government decided they needed to get money out to everyone in the form of the stimulus checks somehow a government that supposedly can't do anything efficiently managed to do that crazy fast, and then just means tested it on the back end where if you made more than whatever on your taxes (I can't remember the threshold) you had to pay it back. If we had tried to means test those checks on the front end to make sure no one who wasn't "deserving" of them didn't get one it would have taken god knows how long and cost probably double or even triple to do. Tons of "welfare" programs right now that spend insane amounts on the means testing portion that's just an insane waste of time and money.

Every problem you ascribe to our current leadership is encapsulated in modern day unions. The leadership is inherently corrupt and that trickles down to the rank and file. Union workers are far less productive than their non-union peers and many of them actually pride themselves on doing less than nothing.

I've worked in union shops but never joined one. I worked alongside people who told me I had to slow down because I was making everyone else look bad. I came from a workplace environment where production meant merit increases, not just the fact that I belonged to a union. I was expected to be productive, my work ethic demanded I be productive and give 8 hours of effort for 8 hours of pay.

I worked alongside those people for 12 of the 22 years I was with AT&T and it took a toll on my own work ethic. I found myself playing along, slowing down and even avoiding work whenever I could. I suppose it was inevitable as my willpower waned. That part is on me.

When I was promoted to operations manager I knew the work ethic of everyone under me and I did what little I could to make sure my crews at least met their metric objectives every quarter, I did it by hook or crook.

(08-13-2024 11:22 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 10:58 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 10:52 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 10:45 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Since we have established anything said about Harris won’t be taken seriously, what are Trump’s policies? He loves to call out the problem but very light on solutions? If he wins is it another 4 years of promising a better ACA and getting zilch?

It can be summarized by a return to common sense across the board. Why do you pretend you can't Google?

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/platform

1. Seal the border and stop the migrant invasion
2. Carry out the largest deportation operation in american history
3. End inflation, and make america affordable again
4. Make america the dominant energy producer in the world, by far!
5. STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER
6. large tax cuts for workers, and no tax on tips!
7. Defend our constitution, our bill of rights, and our fundamental freedoms, including freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the right to keep and bear arms
8. Prevent world war three, restore peace in europe and in the middle east, and build a great iron dome missile defense shield over our entire country -- all made in America
9. End the weaponization of government against the american people
10. Stop the migrant crime epidemic, demolish the foreign drug cartels, crush gang violence, and lock up violent offenders
11. Rebuild our cities, including washington dc, making them safe, clean, and beautiful again.
12. Strengthen and modernize our military, making it, without question, the strongest and most powerful in the world
13.Keep the U.S. dollar as the world's reserve currency
14. Fight for and protect social security and medicare with no cuts, including no changes to the retirement age
15. Cancel the electric vehicle mandate and cut costly and burdensome regulations
16. Cut federal funding for any school pushing critical race theory, radical gender ideology, and other inappropriate racial, sexual, or political content on our children
17. Keep men out of women's sports
18. Deport pro-hamas radicals and make our college campuses safe and patriotic again
19. Secure our elections, including same day voting, voter identification, paper ballots, and proof of citizenship
20. Unite our country by bringing it to new and record levels of success

Yes we know he can name issues. What is his plan for doing these 20 things besides mass deportations?

I see active verbs in more than half the items.

You are not dealing with a serious person you know...

(08-13-2024 11:36 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 11:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 11:19 AM)banker Wrote:  More simple question. How can you listen to her speak and think “this is who needs to represent my country at the highest level”?

She has accomplished little to nothing in her life except failing up the political ladder. At least Trump has built a lot of buildings in a bunch of places which, if you have ever dealt with that process, is not easy. He knows how to negotiate, which frankly is the most important skill for a president.

The cognitive dissonance is working overtime with this one.

trump couldn't build a lego model of baby Yoga.

You are one weird groomer. What an oddball thing to say for a short pudgy middle aged fascist

Who is baby Yoga? And yeah, he's a fuq'd up as they come.

(08-13-2024 11:38 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 11:35 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 11:30 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Trump has built countless businesses employing countless people


Kamala sucked some dick and left the border wide open.

Suckef it for a government job even.

Sad. Bigly.

That government job at least had a guaranteed paycheck. If you sucked a di*k to be a contractor working for Trump pretty decent chance you sucked it for nothing.

Whataboutism isn't allowed here, choad.

(08-13-2024 11:55 AM)Southaven Wrote:  Kamala just reported her platform:


1. Seal the border and stop the migrant invasion
2. Carry out the largest deportation operation in american history
3. End inflation, and make america affordable again
4. Make america the dominant energy producer in the world, by far!
5. STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER
6. large tax cuts for workers, and no tax on tips!
7. Defend our constitution, our bill of rights, and our fundamental freedoms, including freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the right to keep and bear arms
8. Prevent world war three, restore peace in europe and in the middle east, and build a great iron dome missile defense shield over our entire country -- all made in America
9. End the weaponization of government against the american people
10. Stop the migrant crime epidemic, demolish the foreign drug cartels, crush gang violence, and lock up violent offenders
11. Rebuild our cities, including washington dc, making them safe, clean, and beautiful again.
12. Strengthen and modernize our military, making it, without question, the strongest and most powerful in the world
13.Keep the U.S. dollar as the world's reserve currency
14. Fight for and protect social security and medicare with no cuts, including no changes to the retirement age
15. Cancel the electric vehicle mandate and cut costly and burdensome regulations
16. Cut federal funding for any school pushing critical race theory, radical gender ideology, and other inappropriate racial, sexual, or political content on our children
17. Keep men out of women's sports
18. Deport pro-hamas radicals and make our college campuses safe and patriotic again
19. Secure our elections, including same day voting, voter identification, paper ballots, and proof of citizenship
20. Unite our country by bringing it to new and record levels of success

Brilliant!

(08-13-2024 12:00 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 10:52 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 10:25 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Serious question. Not being bombastic here.

What are the policies you will vote for and why do you believe Harris-Walz will properly address those policies?

I'm not "liberal" but waste of time getting into the distictions.

So if you ask me the policies I care about and will Harris/Walz address them here they are.

1. Addressing the issue of big money influence in politics: LOL no they won't address that, but neither major party will so just view that as a both suck on it issue and move on.

2. Support and encouragement of the revived labor/union movement: Highly doubt they'll be perfect here, I'm sure they'll do a whole lot I'll be critical of, but the fact that unions came out hard against Shapiro and in support of picking Walz and she picked Walz gives me some hope she'll be closer to Biden on it than the Clinton/Obama positioning on unions.

3. Continued focus on anti-trust enforcement: This one I'm concerned about. This was the biggest break from the Clinton/Obama policies from Biden. Khan with the FTC and Kanter with the DOJ have been great on this, but the large money donors are pushing crazy hard for Harris to fire both if she wins, and a lot of her advisors are people who would probably be supportive of doing that. This is the thing I'm focused on the most to hear what her plans are, if she ever actually releases any.

4. Pushing for a Universal Healthcare System: I know even Bernie wouldn't have gotten this done, but she long ago showed she was faking support for Medicare for All and I don't see anything happening here in any way from Harris/Walz. I doubt she even pushes seriously for what Biden lied and said he supported, a public option. I expect nothing here.

5. Pushing for some of the things that Manchin/Sinema got stripped out of the original Build Back Better bill like Universal Pre K, Paid Family and Medical Leave, etc. and reinstating the Child Tax Credit. This is actually the thing Harris has the most track record supporting and Walz got a lot of it done as Governor. Not convinced they will have the votes to get it done but I'm pretty convinced they'll actually put in real effort to do it and that's about as good as you can hope for.

So of my top 5 items #2 and 3 she has pretty wide ranging power to help without congressional action and I think she'll probably be decent on #2 and completely up in the air on #3. #1 and 4 no one is going to do anything about they are pipe dreams at this point. #5 I think they'll try but that takes congress and not confident they'll have the support or ability to get them done.

A real reply. Thank you for your opinion.

BS, he negates his very first statement right of the bat.

(08-13-2024 12:01 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 10:25 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Serious question. Not being bombastic here.

What are the policies you will vote for and why do you believe Harris-Walz will properly address those policies?

I am voting for ...

... continuing the best economic / inflation recovery of any nation in the world
... Supreme Court reform
... Campaign Finance Reform
... Immigration reform (not just the border)
... Continuing the mandatory Defeat of Russia / Victory for Ukraine
... protecting, prioritizing and repairing our climate to the extent that we can, so that many generations of American's can enjoy its natural beauty
... reformation of our healthcare system to lower costs with better and easier accessibility
... Fixing Medicare / Medicaid / Social Security without cutting benefits to those dependent on it
... Preparing this country for the geopolitics and technology of the future
... A robust and mutually beneficial relationship with our allies and the rest of the world, with the US cementing and expanding our current position
... a return to political normalcy where maybe this country can begin healing its divisions
... enshrining abortion rights federally

Why haven't all these things been done over the last 4 years? You're a moron if you think ANY of that will get done with here as our "leader".

You people are clueless.

(08-13-2024 02:59 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:48 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:06 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Freedom for women to make choices about their own bodies, whatever state they reside in.

I truly don’t understand why this is the first thing listed and why it is so important to MEN especially. Besides there are a lot of things women are kept by law from doing with their very own body. So that part makes no sense whatsoever.

Honestly didn't intend the 4 issues I listed to be a ranking, the first two are just points I've heard VP Harris make in her stump speeches that I like. And as you noted, it is of less personal importance to men and I'd certainly rank its importance to me below quelling gun violence and defeating Russian imperialism.

But men can still be strongly in favor of the Equal Protection of the laws, as I am. I'm with the late RBG on Roe vs. Wade, it was a weak decision that should have been grounded in gender equality under the Equal Protection clause. Can you name another law that forbids one gender from doing something with their own body that the other gender is permitted to do?

(08-13-2024 02:52 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(08-13-2024 02:32 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Take away most/all guns = Continue to enjoy frequent mass shootings, unlike any other developed nation, as streets remain awash in weapons of war wholly unnecessary for sport or defensive use

Hey numbnuts. Very very few "shootings" are committed by legal gun owners. Criminals who don't obey gun laws in the first place are who you're thinking about. And most citizens already can't buy a "weapon of war". An AR-15 is NOT a weapon of war and you'll never see a soldier carrying one in combat. Go try to buy an M-16 or similar you child. My gosh you people are ignorant.

It's always fun to draw out the gun fetishists with phrases like "weapons of war" and "assault weapons". Whatever you want to call them, average citizens have no need for AR-15s or similar weapons. And we in the majority who favor common sense gun laws could care less about your hair-splitting definitions.

Was watching a podcast last night about the Ukrainians invading mother Russia. The people that were running from their homes and towns were pissed that the government would not let them own guns. The men said they could have stopped or slowed the Ukrainian advance. You just can’t make this chit up. I don’t want anyone telling me I don’t need whatever gun it is I think I need.