(08-02-2024 03:29 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-02-2024 10:57 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  Related... for those here that plan to vote for Trump.

How are you feeling about his VP pick? It seems that the vetting process was... ummm... maybe not so good? I'm not sure what JD brought to the table when it comes to attracting swing voters. He seems to be just a hard-core MAGA guy and Donnie already has those hardcore MAGA votes sewn up.

Did you start the clock on me yet?

No need to worry. There is only one person on this forum that gets snarky after a few hours of a question going unanswered! And that person is not me.

Quote:Never mind. I will do you the courtesy of answering without kvetching about being asked.

Spectacular. Now maybe try not kvetching about people answering other people’s questions within a few hours.

Quote:Don't particularly like the choice. I had others I would have preferred. Several others.

BUT I will be voting for the top of the ticket as opposed to voting for the top of the Democratic ticket.

First day of early voting. At my age and health, cannot take chances.

Return question: If you can call him Donnie, does that make it OK for me to call her Kammie?

Of course. Why wouldn’t it be? It’s not like either name is racist, sexist, etc.

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Quote:Return question: If you can call him Donnie, does that make it OK for me to call her Kammie?

Of course. Why wouldn’t it be? It’s not like either name is racist, sexist, etc.

disrespectful?

(08-02-2024 08:52 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

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Quote:Return question: If you can call him Donnie, does that make it OK for me to call her Kammie?

Of course. Why wouldn’t it be? It’s not like either name is racist, sexist, etc.

disrespectful?

Disrespectful? Seriously?

(08-02-2024 09:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-02-2024 08:52 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

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Quote:Return question: If you can call him Donnie, does that make it OK for me to call her Kammie?

Of course. Why wouldn’t it be? It’s not like either name is racist, sexist, etc.

disrespectful?

Disrespectful? Seriously?

Yes, seriously. Nobody calls him Donnie but his detractors. If I referred to Juan Merchan as Juanito, would that be respectful? How about if I referred to Hakeem Jefffries as Haki? If I called Elizabeth Warren Betty or Lizzie?

Most people drop the diminutive as they become adults. Timmy becomes Tim or Timothy. Usually. How often do you see an attorney advertise himself as Tommy instead of Thomas?

Maybe it is just my upbringing in a different time and place, but unwanted diminutives usually are meant to be disrespectful. My childhood friend Junior now goes by Jesus. Ricky goes by Richard.

No biggie. Just I thought you of all people would take care in how you refer to others.

Wisconsin a border state?

Southern border, that is.

I am curious what people think would be the border policy of a Harris Administration?

Based on her history and words, I think it would be no restrictions at all.

Why now?

(08-03-2024 09:07 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Wisconsin a border state?

Southern border, that is.

I am curious what people think would be the border policy of a Harris Administration?

Based on her history and words, I think it would be no restrictions at all.

Maybe it might be signing the bipartusan immigration bill that was passed with strong R support prior to it being deep sixed by Trump not so long ago. Something she has noted she would do.

(08-03-2024 09:11 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-03-2024 09:07 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Wisconsin a border state?

Southern border, that is.

I am curious what people think would be the border policy of a Harris Administration?

Based on her history and words, I think it would be no restrictions at all.

Maybe it might be signing the bipartusan immigration bill that was passed with strong R support prior to it being deep sixed by Trump not so long ago. Something she has noted she would do.

How did trump deep six it? Did he use his veto?

Iran wants harris not Trump

Complete mystery why.

(08-03-2024 09:16 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-03-2024 09:11 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-03-2024 09:07 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Wisconsin a border state?

Southern border, that is.

I am curious what people think would be the border policy of a Harris Administration?

Based on her history and words, I think it would be no restrictions at all.

Maybe it might be signing the bipartusan immigration bill that was passed with strong R support prior to it being deep sixed by Trump not so long ago. Something she has noted she would do.

How did trump deep six it? Did he use his veto?

never mind

I see you are using "bipartisan" in the standard Democratic way:

On Feb. 7, the bill failed in the Senate after it was opposed by all but four Republicans...

while ignoring that the opposition was also "bipartisan" by the same measure.

...and a few Democrats.

Still, I fail to see how Trump deep sixed it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...d0a7&ei=13

(08-03-2024 08:58 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-02-2024 09:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-02-2024 08:52 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

Quote:

Quote:Return question: If you can call him Donnie, does that make it OK for me to call her Kammie?

Of course. Why wouldn’t it be? It’s not like either name is racist, sexist, etc.

disrespectful?

Disrespectful? Seriously?

Yes, seriously. Nobody calls him Donnie but his detractors. If I referred to Juan Merchan as Juanito, would that be respectful? How about if I referred to Hakeem Jefffries as Haki? If I called Elizabeth Warren Betty or Lizzie?

Ummm... I am a detractor.

This is pretty light disrespect though. Much lighter than we find on this forum when it comes to Democrats on a near-daily basis. Lighter than we have seen from yourself. I'm wondering why you haven't jumped in on any of those other disrespectful comments. Weird.

Yesterday you told us that you enjoying pointing out inconsistencies when it comes to Democrats. This apparently doesn't extend to yourself.

Quote:Most people drop the diminutive as they become adults. Timmy becomes Tim or Timothy. Usually. How often do you see an attorney advertise himself as Tommy instead of Thomas?

https://www.texasbar.com/AM/Template.cfm...tID=218537

https://fibichlaw.com/attorneys/tommy-fibich/

https://www.zehllaw.com/texas-trial-lawy...ry-lawyer/

https://profiles.superlawyers.com/texas/...b1c1c.html

Quote:Maybe it is just my upbringing in a different time and place, but unwanted diminutives usually are meant to be disrespectful. My childhood friend Junior now goes by Jesus. Ricky goes by Richard.

Really? Maybe your upbringing has created a higher being that would not use disrespectful terms on an internet forum?

That's weird... I thought you were the one that referred to Dems "lying through their discolored teeth" recently. I must be mistaken because if that were the case you certainly wouldn't be delivering a sniffly speech about decorum on the Quad. Would you?

Quote:No biggie. Just I thought you of all people would take care in how you refer to others.

Me of all people? Because I have pointed out the use of floridly racist nicknames/terms on this forum in the past? OK, champ.

(08-03-2024 09:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-03-2024 09:16 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-03-2024 09:11 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-03-2024 09:07 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Wisconsin a border state?

Southern border, that is.

I am curious what people think would be the border policy of a Harris Administration?

Based on her history and words, I think it would be no restrictions at all.

Maybe it might be signing the bipartusan immigration bill that was passed with strong R support prior to it being deep sixed by Trump not so long ago. Something she has noted she would do.

How did trump deep six it? Did he use his veto?

never mind

I see you are using "bipartisan" in the standard Democratic way:

On Feb. 7, the bill failed in the Senate after it was opposed by all but four Republicans...

while ignoring that the opposition was also "bipartisan" by the same measure.

...and a few Democrats.

Still, I fail to see how Trump deep sixed it.

maybe read some background --

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/25/politics/...20nominee.

Quote: Underscoring just how damaging Trump’s comments and campaign to kill the border deal have been in the Senate, one GOP senator on condition of background told CNN that without Trump, this deal would have had overwhelming support within the conference. “This proposal would have had almost unanimous Republican support if it weren’t for Donald Trump,” the Republican senator said.

Quote:GOP Sen. Thom Tillis of North Carolina – who has also been involved in the talks – said he didn’t know if anyone could convince Trump to not kill the deal. But he acknowledged that it would take some “courage” for members to be able to press ahead at this point in defiance of Trump – though Tillis argued it would ultimately be beneficial for Trump for them to pass a border security deal and help address the flow of migrants trying to enter the country.

I suggest you also read that the bill had initially passed, and watch the vote to backtrack on it.

IIRC, the problem with the bill is that it did not include merit-based immigration standards. It would have been an improvement, but still short of what is needed--and what virtually every other advanced country has.

(08-03-2024 11:44 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  IIRC, the problem with the bill is that it did not include merit-based immigration standards. It would have been an improvement, but still short of what is needed--and what virtually every other advanced country has.

Seems like that should have some universal appeal. I’m assuming the Democrats blocked that provision? I wonder what the basis of their opposition was?

(08-03-2024 09:59 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-03-2024 08:58 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-02-2024 09:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-02-2024 08:52 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

Quote:Of course. Why wouldn’t it be? It’s not like either name is racist, sexist, etc.

disrespectful?

Disrespectful? Seriously?

Yes, seriously. Nobody calls him Donnie but his detractors. If I referred to Juan Merchan as Juanito, would that be respectful? How about if I referred to Hakeem Jefffries as Haki? If I called Elizabeth Warren Betty or Lizzie?

A. Ummm... I am a detractor.

B. This is pretty light disrespect though. Much lighter than we find on this forum when it comes to Democrats on a near-daily basis. Lighter than we have seen from yourself. I'm wondering why you haven't jumped in on any of those other disrespectful comments. Weird.

Yesterday you told us that you enjoying pointing out inconsistencies when it comes to Democrats. This apparently doesn't extend to yourself.

Quote:Most people drop the diminutive as they become adults. Timmy becomes Tim or Timothy. Usually. How often do you see an attorney advertise himself as Tommy instead of Thomas?

C. https://www.texasbar.com/AM/Template.cfm...tID=218537

https://fibichlaw.com/attorneys/tommy-fibich/

https://www.zehllaw.com/texas-trial-lawy...ry-lawyer/

https://profiles.superlawyers.com/texas/...b1c1c.html

Quote:Maybe it is just my upbringing in a different time and place, but unwanted diminutives usually are meant to be disrespectful. My childhood friend Junior now goes by Jesus. Ricky goes by Richard.

Really? Maybe your upbringing has created a higher being that would not use disrespectful terms on an internet forum?

That's weird... I thought you were the one that referred to Dems "lying through their discolored teeth" recently. I must be mistaken because if that were the case you certainly wouldn't be delivering a sniffly speech about decorum on the Quad. Would you?

Quote:No biggie. Just I thought you of all people would take care in how you refer to others.

D. Me of all people? Because I have pointed out the use of floridly racist nicknames/terms on this forum in the past? OK, champ.

A. Knew you were a detractor.
B. Agree it is pretty light.
C. Of course, pointing out exceptions only proves the rule.
D. Yes.

Champ?

Thanks, Ace.

(08-03-2024 11:44 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  IIRC, the problem with the bill is that it did not include merit-based immigration standards. It would have been an improvement, but still short of what is needed--and what virtually every other advanced country has.

So shitcan the provisions of: a) more funding for direct border operations; b) substantial increases in Border patrol manpower; c) allow streamlining of ongoing asylum issues; d) severely restrict new asylum claims; and e) allow the President to impose substantial and very strict shut down the border -- the type of shutdowns by Presidential authority courts derailed as not being allowed under the previous law.

Because..... Trump cried and whined. Oh, and he lied like a ***** in social media about why he shut it down in his stupidly shallow mischaracterization of it in early February. Imagine that -- Trump lied. Maybe he has discolored teeth.

Sounds good.

#s, the problem with the bill was that it was a bill. And Trump wished that there was no bill addressing the issue.

Maybe OO should point out his "inconsistency" between what he alleges Kamala will do re: the border and illegal immigration and what Kamala said she would do just a few days ago.

Or maybe the "inconsistency" between his allegation on what Kamala said she will do (sign the bill) and the active thwarting of a solution on that same issue (and the same exact bill) from Trump that he seemingly overlooked there.

Seems to be a raft of inconsistencies there he should be able to wax poetically on.

(08-03-2024 01:02 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-03-2024 09:59 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-03-2024 08:58 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-02-2024 09:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(08-02-2024 08:52 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  disrespectful?

Disrespectful? Seriously?

Yes, seriously. Nobody calls him Donnie but his detractors. If I referred to Juan Merchan as Juanito, would that be respectful? How about if I referred to Hakeem Jefffries as Haki? If I called Elizabeth Warren Betty or Lizzie?

A. Ummm... I am a detractor.

B. This is pretty light disrespect though. Much lighter than we find on this forum when it comes to Democrats on a near-daily basis. Lighter than we have seen from yourself. I'm wondering why you haven't jumped in on any of those other disrespectful comments. Weird.

Yesterday you told us that you enjoying pointing out inconsistencies when it comes to Democrats. This apparently doesn't extend to yourself.

Quote:Most people drop the diminutive as they become adults. Timmy becomes Tim or Timothy. Usually. How often do you see an attorney advertise himself as Tommy instead of Thomas?

C. https://www.texasbar.com/AM/Template.cfm...tID=218537

https://fibichlaw.com/attorneys/tommy-fibich/

https://www.zehllaw.com/texas-trial-lawy...ry-lawyer/

https://profiles.superlawyers.com/texas/...b1c1c.html

Quote:Maybe it is just my upbringing in a different time and place, but unwanted diminutives usually are meant to be disrespectful. My childhood friend Junior now goes by Jesus. Ricky goes by Richard.

Really? Maybe your upbringing has created a higher being that would not use disrespectful terms on an internet forum?

That's weird... I thought you were the one that referred to Dems "lying through their discolored teeth" recently. I must be mistaken because if that were the case you certainly wouldn't be delivering a sniffly speech about decorum on the Quad. Would you?

Quote:No biggie. Just I thought you of all people would take care in how you refer to others.

D. Me of all people? Because I have pointed out the use of floridly racist nicknames/terms on this forum in the past? OK, champ.

A. Knew you were a detractor.

Knew you were a shameless hypocrite.

I am not surprised that you did not address the substantive portion of my comments here.

Quote:B. Agree it is pretty light.

As a feather in comparison the typical comments made here. I know that you read GoodOwl's posts. I have never seen you comment on his deviations from decorum and respect.

Quote:C. Of course, pointing out exceptions only proves the rule.

Huh? I don't think I've ever heard that rule. Exactly HOW many exceptions would one need to actually disprove the "rule"?

Quote:D. Yes.

Makes no sense but OK.

(08-03-2024 02:51 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Knew you were a shameless hypocrite.

Since you have moved to name-calling and ad hominems, I guess this "discussion" is terminated. Well beyond the bounds.

Good day, sir.