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Kamala's first screw up as acting President

Landmark.

"When our enemies see the U.S. and Israel are aligned it increases the chances for a hostage deal and decreases the chances for a regional escalation," the Israeli official told Axios. "When there is such daylight it pushes the deal further away and brings a regional escalation closer. We hope that Harris' public criticism of Israel won't give Hamas the impression that there is daylight between the U.S. and Israel and as a result make it harder to get a deal."

(07-26-2024 09:34 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Kamala's first screw up as acting President

Landmark.

"When our enemies see the U.S. and Israel are aligned it increases the chances for a hostage deal and decreases the chances for a regional escalation," the Israeli official told Axios. "When there is such daylight it pushes the deal further away and brings a regional escalation closer. We hope that Harris' public criticism of Israel won't give Hamas the impression that there is daylight between the U.S. and Israel and as a result make it harder to get a deal."

How is this a screw up?

She told Netanyahu that she wants the war to end and that too many civilians have been killed?

Israel says she screwed up? Or unbiased observers said this was a screw up?

*edit* That Israeli official's quote makes it sound like anything short of parroting Netanyahu would be a screw up. Do you agree with this, OO?

(07-26-2024 10:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 09:34 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Kamala's first screw up as acting President

Landmark.

"When our enemies see the U.S. and Israel are aligned it increases the chances for a hostage deal and decreases the chances for a regional escalation," the Israeli official told Axios. "When there is such daylight it pushes the deal further away and brings a regional escalation closer. We hope that Harris' public criticism of Israel won't give Hamas the impression that there is daylight between the U.S. and Israel and as a result make it harder to get a deal."

How is this a screw up?

She told Netanyahu that she wants the war to end and that too many civilians have been killed?

Israel says she screwed up? Or unbiased observers said this was a screw up?

*edit* That Israeli official's quote makes it sound like anything short of parroting Netanyahu would be a screw up. Do you agree with this, OO?

My thoughts exactly. Doesn’t seem like anything close to a screw up. More likely an act by a Netanyahu official to try and strong arm her into a position they prefer as their support back home is nosediving.

(07-26-2024 10:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 09:34 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Kamala's first screw up as acting President

Landmark.

"When our enemies see the U.S. and Israel are aligned it increases the chances for a hostage deal and decreases the chances for a regional escalation," the Israeli official told Axios. "When there is such daylight it pushes the deal further away and brings a regional escalation closer. We hope that Harris' public criticism of Israel won't give Hamas the impression that there is daylight between the U.S. and Israel and as a result make it harder to get a deal."

How is this a screw up?

She told Netanyahu that she wants the war to end and that too many civilians have been killed?

Israel says she screwed up? Or unbiased observers said this was a screw up?

*edit* That Israeli official's quote makes it sound like anything short of parroting Netanyahu would be a screw up. Do you agree with this, OO?

I think a seasoned diplomat would not have put Netanyahu on the hot spot without notice. I think our leader should not be chiding our ally on behalf of the people defacing statues and burning flags and dancing around with Hamas flags.

I think she was more concerned about election politics than world politics, and in trying to please both the pro-Israel and anti-Israel wings of her party at the same time, likely upset both of them. Sounds like a screw up to me.

I, me, myself, OO, say she screwed up. Do you take the view that this was a master stroke by our Co-Potus du Jour? Why or why not?

(07-26-2024 01:45 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 10:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 09:34 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Kamala's first screw up as acting President

Landmark.

"When our enemies see the U.S. and Israel are aligned it increases the chances for a hostage deal and decreases the chances for a regional escalation," the Israeli official told Axios. "When there is such daylight it pushes the deal further away and brings a regional escalation closer. We hope that Harris' public criticism of Israel won't give Hamas the impression that there is daylight between the U.S. and Israel and as a result make it harder to get a deal."

How is this a screw up?

She told Netanyahu that she wants the war to end and that too many civilians have been killed?

Israel says she screwed up? Or unbiased observers said this was a screw up?

*edit* That Israeli official's quote makes it sound like anything short of parroting Netanyahu would be a screw up. Do you agree with this, OO?

My thoughts exactly. Doesn’t seem like anything close to a screw up. More likely an act by a Netanyahu official to try and strong arm her into a position they prefer as their support back home is nosediving.

Or maybe to strongarm her into the position she took in private talks with Netanyahu.

"One Israeli official also said to Axios that "Harris' statement after the meeting was much more critical than what she told Netanyahu in the meeting."

(07-26-2024 10:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 09:34 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Kamala's first screw up as acting President

Landmark.

"When our enemies see the U.S. and Israel are aligned it increases the chances for a hostage deal and decreases the chances for a regional escalation," the Israeli official told Axios. "When there is such daylight it pushes the deal further away and brings a regional escalation closer. We hope that Harris' public criticism of Israel won't give Hamas the impression that there is daylight between the U.S. and Israel and as a result make it harder to get a deal."

How is this a screw up?

She told Netanyahu that she wants the war to end and that too many civilians have been killed?

Israel says she screwed up? Or unbiased observers said this was a screw up?

*edit* That Israeli official's quote makes it sound like anything short of parroting Netanyahu would be a screw up. Do you agree with this, OO?

I've read a good bit of diplomatic communication over the years -- more than just about anyone I know who is not a professional diplomat. The quoted statement is something that any junior service officer would understand without needing to be reminded; it does not require one executive "parroting" another. So while I can't speak for OO, I don't agree with your characterization.

(07-26-2024 06:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I think she was more concerned about election politics than world politics...

It would be absurd in the extreme to presume anything else.

(07-26-2024 01:45 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 10:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  *edit* That Israeli official's quote makes it sound like anything short of parroting Netanyahu would be a screw up. Do you agree with this, OO?

My thoughts exactly. Doesn’t seem like anything close to a screw up. More likely an act by a Netanyahu official to try and strong arm her into a position they prefer as their support back home is nosediving.

Wow, you guys have some learning to do. If those are your actual "thoughts" (as opposed to poses being struck for effect), then it is pretty clear that you're letting your desired postures ("I really want to be able to say that the Israeli administration looks bad, and the American one looks good") dictate your conclusions. :(

To be fair, that sort of delusion is standard practice (and has been for a while) among the political media and (perhaps more perniciously) among social echo chambers, so it's not entirely beyond expectation that even you guys might have caught the bug.

(07-26-2024 08:10 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 06:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I think she was more concerned about election politics than world politics...

It would be absurd in the extreme to presume anything else.

(07-26-2024 01:45 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 10:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  *edit* That Israeli official's quote makes it sound like anything short of parroting Netanyahu would be a screw up. Do you agree with this, OO?

My thoughts exactly. Doesn’t seem like anything close to a screw up. More likely an act by a Netanyahu official to try and strong arm her into a position they prefer as their support back home is nosediving.

Wow, you guys have some learning to do. If those are your actual "thoughts" (as opposed to poses being struck for effect), then it is pretty clear that you're letting your desired postures ("I really want to be able to say that the Israeli administration looks bad, and the American one looks good") dictate your conclusions. :(

To be fair, that sort of delusion is standard practice (and has been for a while) among the political media and (perhaps more perniciously) among social echo chambers, so it's not entirely beyond expectation that even you guys might have caught the bug.

EVEN them? These are the ones I would expect to come to the defense of Harris.

(07-26-2024 08:10 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 06:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I think she was more concerned about election politics than world politics...

It would be absurd in the extreme to presume anything else.

(07-26-2024 01:45 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 10:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  *edit* That Israeli official's quote makes it sound like anything short of parroting Netanyahu would be a screw up. Do you agree with this, OO?

My thoughts exactly. Doesn’t seem like anything close to a screw up. More likely an act by a Netanyahu official to try and strong arm her into a position they prefer as their support back home is nosediving.

Wow, you guys have some learning to do. If those are your actual "thoughts" (as opposed to poses being struck for effect), then it is pretty clear that you're letting your desired postures ("I really want to be able to say that the Israeli administration looks bad, and the American one looks good") dictate your conclusions. :(

Damn, George. You got me. Those aren't my actual thoughts... I was just posing in the hopes that the 5 regular readers of The Quad think I'm cool.

Quote:To be fair, that sort of delusion is standard practice (and has been for a while) among the political media and (perhaps more perniciously) among social echo chambers, so it's not entirely beyond expectation that even you guys might have caught the bug.

What was the delusion? OO said that Kamala screwed up by not giving a 100% rubber-stamp publicly to Netanyahu. I don't want whoever is our President to feel compelled to rubber stamp other administation's actions if we disagree with them. I definitely understand diplomacy to some degree however I am sure that you are much, much, much more well-read on it than me. Please explain how my opinion as to the rubber-stamping makes me a victim of the social echo chamber.

(07-26-2024 11:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 08:10 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 06:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I think she was more concerned about election politics than world politics...

It would be absurd in the extreme to presume anything else.

(07-26-2024 01:45 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 10:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  *edit* That Israeli official's quote makes it sound like anything short of parroting Netanyahu would be a screw up. Do you agree with this, OO?

My thoughts exactly. Doesn’t seem like anything close to a screw up. More likely an act by a Netanyahu official to try and strong arm her into a position they prefer as their support back home is nosediving.

Wow, you guys have some learning to do. If those are your actual "thoughts" (as opposed to poses being struck for effect), then it is pretty clear that you're letting your desired postures ("I really want to be able to say that the Israeli administration looks bad, and the American one looks good") dictate your conclusions. :(

To be fair, that sort of delusion is standard practice (and has been for a while) among the political media and (perhaps more perniciously) among social echo chambers, so it's not entirely beyond expectation that even you guys might have caught the bug.

EVEN them? These are the ones I would expect to come to the defense of Harris.

LOL... I'm such a major backer of Harris. Just look at the past 2-3 years of my posting history. You got me, OO. Between you and George I have really been exposed.

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(07-27-2024 10:29 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 11:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 08:10 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 06:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I think she was more concerned about election politics than world politics...

It would be absurd in the extreme to presume anything else.

(07-26-2024 01:45 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 10:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  *edit* That Israeli official's quote makes it sound like anything short of parroting Netanyahu would be a screw up. Do you agree with this, OO?

My thoughts exactly. Doesn’t seem like anything close to a screw up. More likely an act by a Netanyahu official to try and strong arm her into a position they prefer as their support back home is nosediving.

Wow, you guys have some learning to do. If those are your actual "thoughts" (as opposed to poses being struck for effect), then it is pretty clear that you're letting your desired postures ("I really want to be able to say that the Israeli administration looks bad, and the American one looks good") dictate your conclusions. :(

To be fair, that sort of delusion is standard practice (and has been for a while) among the political media and (perhaps more perniciously) among social echo chambers, so it's not entirely beyond expectation that even you guys might have caught the bug.

EVEN them? These are the ones I would expect to come to the defense of Harris.

LOL... I'm such a major backer of Harris. Just look at the past 2-3 years of my posting history. You got me, OO. Between you and George I have really been exposed.

Didn't say you were a backer of Harris, major or otherwise. I said you would be one of the first two to jump to her defense. QED.

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(07-27-2024 10:27 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 08:10 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 06:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I think she was more concerned about election politics than world politics...

It would be absurd in the extreme to presume anything else.

(07-26-2024 01:45 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 10:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  *edit* That Israeli official's quote makes it sound like anything short of parroting Netanyahu would be a screw up. Do you agree with this, OO?

My thoughts exactly. Doesn’t seem like anything close to a screw up. More likely an act by a Netanyahu official to try and strong arm her into a position they prefer as their support back home is nosediving.

Wow, you guys have some learning to do. If those are your actual "thoughts" (as opposed to poses being struck for effect), then it is pretty clear that you're letting your desired postures ("I really want to be able to say that the Israeli administration looks bad, and the American one looks good") dictate your conclusions. :(

Damn, George. You got me. Those aren't my actual thoughts... I was just posing in the hopes that the 5 regular readers of The Quad think I'm cool.

Quote:To be fair, that sort of delusion is standard practice (and has been for a while) among the political media and (perhaps more perniciously) among social echo chambers, so it's not entirely beyond expectation that even you guys might have caught the bug.

What was the delusion? OO said that Kamala screwed up by not giving a 100% rubber-stamp publicly to Netanyahu. I don't want whoever is our President to feel compelled to rubber stamp other administation's actions if we disagree with them. I definitely understand diplomacy to some degree however I am sure that you are much, much, much more well-read on it than me. Please explain how my opinion as to the rubber-stamping makes me a victim of the social echo chamber.

I have to confess that I had written a thorough and (in my mind) convincing reply to all of the above, but on further reflection, keeping on arguing just isn't worth it.
Best wishes for the rest of the weekend!

(07-27-2024 03:44 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(07-27-2024 10:27 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 08:10 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 06:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I think she was more concerned about election politics than world politics...

It would be absurd in the extreme to presume anything else.

(07-26-2024 01:45 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-26-2024 10:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  *edit* That Israeli official's quote makes it sound like anything short of parroting Netanyahu would be a screw up. Do you agree with this, OO?

My thoughts exactly. Doesn’t seem like anything close to a screw up. More likely an act by a Netanyahu official to try and strong arm her into a position they prefer as their support back home is nosediving.

Wow, you guys have some learning to do. If those are your actual "thoughts" (as opposed to poses being struck for effect), then it is pretty clear that you're letting your desired postures ("I really want to be able to say that the Israeli administration looks bad, and the American one looks good") dictate your conclusions. :(

Damn, George. You got me. Those aren't my actual thoughts... I was just posing in the hopes that the 5 regular readers of The Quad think I'm cool.

Quote:To be fair, that sort of delusion is standard practice (and has been for a while) among the political media and (perhaps more perniciously) among social echo chambers, so it's not entirely beyond expectation that even you guys might have caught the bug.

What was the delusion? OO said that Kamala screwed up by not giving a 100% rubber-stamp publicly to Netanyahu. I don't want whoever is our President to feel compelled to rubber stamp other administation's actions if we disagree with them. I definitely understand diplomacy to some degree however I am sure that you are much, much, much more well-read on it than me. Please explain how my opinion as to the rubber-stamping makes me a victim of the social echo chamber.

I have to confess that I had written a thorough and (in my mind) convincing reply to all of the above, but on further reflection, keeping on arguing just isn't worth it.
Best wishes for the rest of the weekend!

You as well!

Agree no reason to argue, but I would honestly be interested to hear your thoughts when you have non-weekend time to spend on it. Let's say that Kamala has problems with Israel's approach to this war (too many civilians killed, picking fights with non-Hamas combatants/countries, etc.). Not to say that her concerns are necessarily valid but they are her concerns nonetheless.

What was she supposed to do? What would not be a screw-up according to you and OO? Try to be noncommittal with the press when it comes to discussing this situation while being tough with Israel behind-the-scenes? That way there is no perception of a public wedge between the US and Israel? That seems reasonable I guess however there are so many layers to this situation to which I am not privy. Therefore it seems that it is hard to say definitely what she SHOULD have done.

Also there is the election part of this and she probably can't afford to act like she is rubber-stamping Israel's tactics regardless of how they behave.

I'm not sure how it seems so crazy that I could possibly see a scenario where this is not an obvious slip-up on here part. The only information provided in this article comes from an Israeli representative and he is surely going to take issue with any statements that are not 100% supportive of Israel's every move.

(07-27-2024 10:27 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  OO said that Kamala screwed up by not giving a 100% rubber-stamp publicly to Netanyahu.

I said she screwed up by not adhering to the points agree upon privately. It is a basic point of diplomacy to talk about what was agreed and not go off the reservation with other points..

(07-27-2024 10:24 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-27-2024 10:27 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  OO said that Kamala screwed up by not giving a 100% rubber-stamp publicly to Netanyahu.

I said she screwed up by not adhering to the points agree upon privately. It is a basic point of diplomacy to talk about what was agreed and not go off the reservation with other points..

You are taking the word for the Israeli spokesman as to what was said between Kamala and Netanyahu. I mean… maybe… but certainly this dude has an agenda.

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