(10-28-2023 08:51 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 08:41 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Wow. What an eye opener this thread has been for me. I've learned from you know it alls that:

1. Abraham Lincoln was a dictator.
2. The ignorant clowns fighting to keep people in slavery were actually really noble guys.
3. Honoring traitors is is OK, because somehow they really weren't traitors... back then.
4. Robert E Lee is MY guy whether I like it or not.
5. Nobody has any clue of what a disaster the world would have become had the noble guys from the slave states won.

WHAT A ROCK I'VE BEEN LIVING UNDER.

He was a dictator, for the reasons I stated in my post. Why do think Obama cites Lincolin as his favorite president? He wanted to emulate Lincolin. Why do you think he attacked Fox News and Rusb Limbaugh? Why do you think his administration tried to bring back The Fairness Doctrine?

On top of that, when the Union won the civil war, it allowed the government to expand into the large centralized monster we have now.

The monster is Federalism.

Lincoln, in his own words, didnt give two shites about slavery

People need to read

Free your mind indoctrinated sheep

https://www.civilwarprofiles.com/dwight-...ert-e-lee/


would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.


No charge Catlett. Always good to learn.

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:44 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I'm not a fan of honoring confederates.

Robert E Lee was a traitor. Lincoln let them off too easy.

While I'm from a Union state myself I think it's a huge crime to destroy Confederate monuments. It's a part of OUR history and it's better for all of it to be preserved than to whitewash pieces of it. You don't learn and grow if the history isn't preserved in as objectively neutral a manner as possible.

Who's this "OUR" you speak of ??? Robert E Lee aint part of MY history.

Why do you want to objectively neutralize that half our country rebelled against the USA so that they can keep people in slavery??? F that.

My mistake. I thought you were an American born citizen.

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:44 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I'm not a fan of honoring confederates.

Robert E Lee was a traitor. Lincoln let them off too easy.

While I'm from a Union state myself I think it's a huge crime to destroy Confederate monuments. It's a part of OUR history and it's better for all of it to be preserved than to whitewash pieces of it. You don't learn and grow if the history isn't preserved in as objectively neutral a manner as possible.

It shouldn't matter if you are from a union state anymore than it should for the weirdos who think it matters for some reason that they are from the south and cling to this stuff from a century and a half ago.

It's wrong to destroy historic art because you don't like it.

You're right. Unfortunately some people still fight the war to this day and make those distinctions. Just had an exchange with one.

(10-28-2023 09:02 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 08:51 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 08:41 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Wow. What an eye opener this thread has been for me. I've learned from you know it alls that:

1. Abraham Lincoln was a dictator.
2. The ignorant clowns fighting to keep people in slavery were actually really noble guys.
3. Honoring traitors is is OK, because somehow they really weren't traitors... back then.
4. Robert E Lee is MY guy whether I like it or not.
5. Nobody has any clue of what a disaster the world would have become had the noble guys from the slave states won.

WHAT A ROCK I'VE BEEN LIVING UNDER.

He was a dictator, for the reasons I stated in my post. Why do think Obama cites Lincolin as his favorite president? He wanted to emulate Lincolin. Why do you think he attacked Fox News and Rusb Limbaugh? Why do you think his administration tried to bring back The Fairness Doctrine?

On top of that, when the Union won the civil war, it allowed the government to expand into the large centralized monster we have now.

The monster is Federalism.

Lincoln, in his own words, didnt give two shites about slavery

People need to read

Free your mind indoctrinated sheep

https://www.civilwarprofiles.com/dwight-...ert-e-lee/


would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.


No charge Catlett. Always good to learn.

Confederate history is American history. The Communist lie is the civil war was fought over slavery and nothing else.

(10-28-2023 06:23 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Government school indoctrination is strong in tiis thread...its real easy to spot as is the age of the poster along with well tihose that read books.

The War of Northern Aggression for the Abolition of State Rights nhss long been over.

Richmond, is largely a shitrhole

Honestly, this is just another example of cultural decay. The can live in whatever filth the choose. Idgaf.


Lets not lose focus. Its time for CWII.

Prog filth v not prog filth.

Aside from the individual states having the right to determine whether they would allow slavery or not - what other states rights were the south fighting to protect?

I'm aware of other issues where the southern states had legitimate complaints about how the Feds governed, but I don't recall ever seeing much of anything else along the states rights arguments except for the preservation of slavery by a small minority of southern "aristocrats".

(10-28-2023 09:46 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 06:23 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Government school indoctrination is strong in tiis thread...its real easy to spot as is the age of the poster along with well tihose that read books.

The War of Northern Aggression for the Abolition of State Rights nhss long been over.

Richmond, is largely a shitrhole

Honestly, this is just another example of cultural decay. The can live in whatever filth the choose. Idgaf.


Lets not lose focus. Its time for CWII.

Prog filth v not prog filth.

Aside from the individual states having the right to determine whether they would allow slavery or not - what other states rights were the south fighting to protect?

I'm aware of other issues where the southern states had legitimate complaints about how the Feds governed, but I don't recall ever seeing much of anything else along the states rights arguments except for the preservation of slavery by a small minority of southern "aristocrats".

A couple of good articles on the subject -

https://civilwarchat.wordpress.com/2019/...nt-page-1/

https://billofrightsinstitute.org/activi...er-slavery

(10-28-2023 09:29 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 09:02 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 08:51 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 08:41 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Wow. What an eye opener this thread has been for me. I've learned from you know it alls that:

1. Abraham Lincoln was a dictator.
2. The ignorant clowns fighting to keep people in slavery were actually really noble guys.
3. Honoring traitors is is OK, because somehow they really weren't traitors... back then.
4. Robert E Lee is MY guy whether I like it or not.
5. Nobody has any clue of what a disaster the world would have become had the noble guys from the slave states won.

WHAT A ROCK I'VE BEEN LIVING UNDER.

He was a dictator, for the reasons I stated in my post. Why do think Obama cites Lincolin as his favorite president? He wanted to emulate Lincolin. Why do you think he attacked Fox News and Rusb Limbaugh? Why do you think his administration tried to bring back The Fairness Doctrine?

On top of that, when the Union won the civil war, it allowed the government to expand into the large centralized monster we have now.

The monster is Federalism.

Lincoln, in his own words, didnt give two shites about slavery

People need to read

Free your mind indoctrinated sheep

https://www.civilwarprofiles.com/dwight-...ert-e-lee/


would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.


No charge Catlett. Always good to learn.

Confederate history is American history. The Communist lie is the civil war was fought over slavery and nothing else.

That is true in the sense that England, Germany, Japan, Mexico, Spain Iraq and all the other countries we've fought wars against are part of American history.

The confederates weren't Americans. Look up the definition of secession.

The only way Lincoln f'd up was letting them off easy. Then maybe we wouldn't have a good portion of the populace that thinks the confederacy was a good thing.

(10-28-2023 11:40 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 09:29 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 09:02 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 08:51 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 08:41 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Wow. What an eye opener this thread has been for me. I've learned from you know it alls that:

1. Abraham Lincoln was a dictator.
2. The ignorant clowns fighting to keep people in slavery were actually really noble guys.
3. Honoring traitors is is OK, because somehow they really weren't traitors... back then.
4. Robert E Lee is MY guy whether I like it or not.
5. Nobody has any clue of what a disaster the world would have become had the noble guys from the slave states won.

WHAT A ROCK I'VE BEEN LIVING UNDER.

He was a dictator, for the reasons I stated in my post. Why do think Obama cites Lincolin as his favorite president? He wanted to emulate Lincolin. Why do you think he attacked Fox News and Rusb Limbaugh? Why do you think his administration tried to bring back The Fairness Doctrine?

On top of that, when the Union won the civil war, it allowed the government to expand into the large centralized monster we have now.

The monster is Federalism.

Lincoln, in his own words, didnt give two shites about slavery

People need to read

Free your mind indoctrinated sheep

https://www.civilwarprofiles.com/dwight-...ert-e-lee/


would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.


No charge Catlett. Always good to learn.

Confederate history is American history. The Communist lie is the civil war was fought over slavery and nothing else.

That is true in the sense that England, Germany, Japan, Mexico, Spain Iraq and all the other countries we've fought wars against are part of American history.

The confederates weren't Americans. Look up the definition of secession.

The only way Lincoln f'd up was letting them off easy. Then maybe we wouldn't have a good portion of the populace that thinks the confederacy was a good thing.

Well, he died before he had a chance to tell the government to put their boots on the South's neck. Also, what I said wouldn't have happened because historians have determined that he wanted to reconcile with the South.

(10-28-2023 11:03 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 09:46 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 06:23 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Government school indoctrination is strong in tiis thread...its real easy to spot as is the age of the poster along with well tihose that read books.

The War of Northern Aggression for the Abolition of State Rights nhss long been over.

Richmond, is largely a shitrhole

Honestly, this is just another example of cultural decay. The can live in whatever filth the choose. Idgaf.


Lets not lose focus. Its time for CWII.

Prog filth v not prog filth.

Aside from the individual states having the right to determine whether they would allow slavery or not - what other states rights were the south fighting to protect?

I'm aware of other issues where the southern states had legitimate complaints about how the Feds governed, but I don't recall ever seeing much of anything else along the states rights arguments except for the preservation of slavery by a small minority of southern "aristocrats".

A couple of good articles on the subject -

https://civilwarchat.wordpress.com/2019/...nt-page-1/

https://billofrightsinstitute.org/activi...er-slavery

I appreciate you linking the articles. They seem to align with my 2 overarching (and definitely NOT mutually exclusive) points of 1) Slavery and 2) Subsidizing the industrialization of the North. You could argue a 3rd point - restriction of free trade to assist the North but I really think it's a subset of the 2nd point above. Of interest to me were the points put forward by the Confederate gov't that stated any public works or subsidization of any industries are the sole responsibilities of the states and not the "Confederal Gov't". That goes back to point 2 above where it's trying to avoid any individual state having any of its wealth transferred to another state via a Confederal conduit.

This is a very fascinating discussion to me because it's amazing the parallels you can see in today's world. Take the free trade examples where the South wanted zero tariffs so that they could freely sell their raw materials abroad in exchange for the ability to import finished goods. They bristled at the notion of paying more for goods from the North - which they saw as a wealth transfer in their eyes given the alternative of buying from Europe (UK in reality). It's very similar to what we see today when then president Trump wanted to renegotiate trade deals and enact tariffs against China (like the North) vs the advocates of unfettered free trade with China and other countries who subsidize their industries plus use slave labor (like the Southern Elites).

The UK during that time did have a "better mousetrap" vs the rest of the world in the 1860s since the were the first adopters of mass industrialization vs the rest of Europe. Also, the UK had their own wealth transfer/subsidization going on with their large colonial empire. They too engaged in what would today be considered non-competitive practices to thwart any other European country from competing with the UK in manufacturing goods for domestic and international markets. This was also one of the biggest concerns of the U.S. in the 1860s - the UK utilizing a "divide and conquer" strategy to keep the U.S. weak and to kill it's industrialization attempts in order for the UK to remain the dominant international power. While the U.S. was far from challenging the UK on the world stage in the 1800s, it was wary of the potential of the U.S. should it ever figure out how to act as a unified country.

Again, thanks for sharing your links! Interesting to think about!

(10-28-2023 09:02 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 08:51 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 08:41 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Wow. What an eye opener this thread has been for me. I've learned from you know it alls that:

1. Abraham Lincoln was a dictator.
2. The ignorant clowns fighting to keep people in slavery were actually really noble guys.
3. Honoring traitors is is OK, because somehow they really weren't traitors... back then.
4. Robert E Lee is MY guy whether I like it or not.
5. Nobody has any clue of what a disaster the world would have become had the noble guys from the slave states won.

WHAT A ROCK I'VE BEEN LIVING UNDER.

He was a dictator, for the reasons I stated in my post. Why do think Obama cites Lincolin as his favorite president? He wanted to emulate Lincolin. Why do you think he attacked Fox News and Rusb Limbaugh? Why do you think his administration tried to bring back The Fairness Doctrine?

On top of that, when the Union won the civil war, it allowed the government to expand into the large centralized monster we have now.

The monster is Federalism.

Lincoln, in his own words, didnt give two shites about slavery

People need to read

Free your mind indoctrinated sheep

https://www.civilwarprofiles.com/dwight-...ert-e-lee/


would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.


No charge Catlett. Always good to learn.

Robert E Lee only appeared great because all the Union generals he went up against for two and a half years were complete idiots.

Lee had Gettysburg won, f'd up and got his a$$ handed to him by Meade... who then f'd up and let him escape in the same way McClellan let him escape at Antietam.

So if the union had any competent military leadership at all, the whole dang thing would have been done in 1862.

And yes, I know that the conflict was about more than slavery. If the backward a$$ south would have bothered to get off their backward a$$es and developed some industry they wouldn't have had to rely on their only asset, COTTON, to support their half of the country from which came the attitude that the mean old north was exploiting them.

So yeah, I guess the south took offense to the north saying, "get a job".

(10-28-2023 11:46 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 11:40 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 09:29 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 09:02 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 08:51 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  He was a dictator, for the reasons I stated in my post. Why do think Obama cites Lincolin as his favorite president? He wanted to emulate Lincolin. Why do you think he attacked Fox News and Rusb Limbaugh? Why do you think his administration tried to bring back The Fairness Doctrine?

On top of that, when the Union won the civil war, it allowed the government to expand into the large centralized monster we have now.

The monster is Federalism.

Lincoln, in his own words, didnt give two shites about slavery

People need to read

Free your mind indoctrinated sheep

https://www.civilwarprofiles.com/dwight-...ert-e-lee/


would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.


No charge Catlett. Always good to learn.

Confederate history is American history. The Communist lie is the civil war was fought over slavery and nothing else.

That is true in the sense that England, Germany, Japan, Mexico, Spain Iraq and all the other countries we've fought wars against are part of American history.

The confederates weren't Americans. Look up the definition of secession.

The only way Lincoln f'd up was letting them off easy. Then maybe we wouldn't have a good portion of the populace that thinks the confederacy was a good thing.

Well, he died before he had a chance to tell the government to put their boots on the South's neck. Also, what I said wouldn't have happened because historians have determined that he wanted to reconcile with the South.

You guys never learned about the Reconstruction in your U.S. history classes??? Andrew Johnson used a very heavy hand with the South and that probably is the major reason why some people still feel emotional about the War.

All I can say about Lincoln is - hope he enjoyed that show at Fords

(10-28-2023 01:40 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  All I can say about Lincoln is - hope he enjoyed that show at Fords

Just a joke or do you hate Lincoln that much?

(10-27-2023 04:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Eliminating symbols and lessons from the past b/c you don't like it seems short-sighted to me.

Should we burn down the Holocaust Museum?

Take down all the statues of our Revolutionary War heroes? I mean, every one of them was a traitor, too, right?

And there was no one person more responsible for bringing this nation back together after the war than Robert E. Lee. That is a lesson that far too many people now don't understand.

And if he was good enough for Ike, who hung his portrait in the Oval Office, the man who sent troops to desegregate schools, he should be good enough for all of us.

(10-27-2023 02:40 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:44 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I'm not a fan of honoring confederates.

Robert E Lee was a traitor. Lincoln let them off too easy.

While I'm from a Union state myself I think it's a huge crime to destroy Confederate monuments. It's a part of OUR history and it's better for all of it to be preserved than to whitewash pieces of it. You don't learn and grow if the history isn't preserved in as objectively neutral a manner as possible.

Who's this "OUR" you speak of ??? Robert E Lee aint part of MY history.

Why do you want to objectively neutralize that half our country rebelled against the USA so that they can keep people in slavery??? F that.

The reasons for the Civil War were a little more complicated than a bunch of Southerners wanting to keep slaves and noble Northerners pushing back against that.

The New England states seriously considered seceding in 1814. We nearly had a civil war in 1831 when some northern states still had slaves or had recently ended it. In fact, the last few slaves in New Jersey weren't freed until 1866. Kentucky and Delaware, who stayed in the union, didn't abolish slavery until forced to by the 13th amendment in December 1865.

(10-28-2023 09:46 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 06:23 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Government school indoctrination is strong in tiis thread...its real easy to spot as is the age of the poster along with well tihose that read books.

The War of Northern Aggression for the Abolition of State Rights nhss long been over.

Richmond, is largely a shitrhole

Honestly, this is just another example of cultural decay. The can live in whatever filth the choose. Idgaf.


Lets not lose focus. Its time for CWII.

Prog filth v not prog filth.

Aside from the individual states having the right to determine whether they would allow slavery or not - what other states rights were the south fighting to protect?

I'm aware of other issues where the southern states had legitimate complaints about how the Feds governed, but I don't recall ever seeing much of anything else along the states rights arguments except for the preservation of slavery by a small minority of southern "aristocrats".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullification_crisis Nullification crisis
https://www.wbur.org/radioboston/2012/06...succession New England secession movement

(10-28-2023 11:40 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 09:29 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 09:02 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 08:51 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 08:41 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Wow. What an eye opener this thread has been for me. I've learned from you know it alls that:

1. Abraham Lincoln was a dictator.
2. The ignorant clowns fighting to keep people in slavery were actually really noble guys.
3. Honoring traitors is is OK, because somehow they really weren't traitors... back then.
4. Robert E Lee is MY guy whether I like it or not.
5. Nobody has any clue of what a disaster the world would have become had the noble guys from the slave states won.

WHAT A ROCK I'VE BEEN LIVING UNDER.

He was a dictator, for the reasons I stated in my post. Why do think Obama cites Lincolin as his favorite president? He wanted to emulate Lincolin. Why do you think he attacked Fox News and Rusb Limbaugh? Why do you think his administration tried to bring back The Fairness Doctrine?

On top of that, when the Union won the civil war, it allowed the government to expand into the large centralized monster we have now.

The monster is Federalism.

Lincoln, in his own words, didnt give two shites about slavery

People need to read

Free your mind indoctrinated sheep

https://www.civilwarprofiles.com/dwight-...ert-e-lee/


would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.


No charge Catlett. Always good to learn.

Confederate history is American history. The Communist lie is the civil war was fought over slavery and nothing else.

That is true in the sense that England, Germany, Japan, Mexico, Spain Iraq and all the other countries we've fought wars against are part of American history.

The confederates weren't Americans. Look up the definition of secession.

The only way Lincoln f'd up was letting them off easy. Then maybe we wouldn't have a good portion of the populace that thinks the confederacy was a good thing.

You're not getting your stories straight. The "War of Northern Aggression," better known as "The War Between the States," was because the North didn't believe they had the right to secede and never recognized that secession.

(10-28-2023 12:00 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 09:02 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 08:51 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 08:41 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Wow. What an eye opener this thread has been for me. I've learned from you know it alls that:

1. Abraham Lincoln was a dictator.
2. The ignorant clowns fighting to keep people in slavery were actually really noble guys.
3. Honoring traitors is is OK, because somehow they really weren't traitors... back then.
4. Robert E Lee is MY guy whether I like it or not.
5. Nobody has any clue of what a disaster the world would have become had the noble guys from the slave states won.

WHAT A ROCK I'VE BEEN LIVING UNDER.

He was a dictator, for the reasons I stated in my post. Why do think Obama cites Lincolin as his favorite president? He wanted to emulate Lincolin. Why do you think he attacked Fox News and Rusb Limbaugh? Why do you think his administration tried to bring back The Fairness Doctrine?

On top of that, when the Union won the civil war, it allowed the government to expand into the large centralized monster we have now.

The monster is Federalism.

Lincoln, in his own words, didnt give two shites about slavery

People need to read

Free your mind indoctrinated sheep

https://www.civilwarprofiles.com/dwight-...ert-e-lee/


would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.


No charge Catlett. Always good to learn.

Robert E Lee only appeared great because all the Union generals he went up against for two and a half years were complete idiots.

Lee had Gettysburg won, f'd up and got his a$$ handed to him by Meade... who then f'd up and let him escape in the same way McClellan let him escape at Antietam.

So if the union had any competent military leadership at all, the whole dang thing would have been done in 1862.

And yes, I know that the conflict was about more than slavery. If the backward a$$ south would have bothered to get off their backward a$$es and developed some industry they wouldn't have had to rely on their only asset, COTTON, to support their half of the country from which came the attitude that the mean old north was exploiting them.

So yeah, I guess the south took offense to the north saying, "get a job".

Lee did not have Gettysburg "won." There were a series of events that had any gone the other way could have changed the course of the war.

General Early didn't even try to take Culp's Hill on the first day as Lee had asked. The First Minnesota's doomed charge saved the Union center from collapsing the 2nd day as the Maine soldiers fighting on Little Round Top even after running out of ammunition saved the flank. And Pickett's charge could have succeeded if the Confederate artillery had been more accurate or if then Major George Armstrong Custer hadn't done a charge hopelessly outnumbered that disorganized General Jeb Stuart's raid into the Union rear until reinforcements could be brought up.

(10-28-2023 09:29 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 09:02 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 08:51 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 08:41 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Wow. What an eye opener this thread has been for me. I've learned from you know it alls that:

1. Abraham Lincoln was a dictator.
2. The ignorant clowns fighting to keep people in slavery were actually really noble guys.
3. Honoring traitors is is OK, because somehow they really weren't traitors... back then.
4. Robert E Lee is MY guy whether I like it or not.
5. Nobody has any clue of what a disaster the world would have become had the noble guys from the slave states won.

WHAT A ROCK I'VE BEEN LIVING UNDER.

He was a dictator, for the reasons I stated in my post. Why do think Obama cites Lincolin as his favorite president? He wanted to emulate Lincolin. Why do you think he attacked Fox News and Rusb Limbaugh? Why do you think his administration tried to bring back The Fairness Doctrine?

On top of that, when the Union won the civil war, it allowed the government to expand into the large centralized monster we have now.

The monster is Federalism.

Lincoln, in his own words, didnt give two shites about slavery

People need to read

Free your mind indoctrinated sheep

https://www.civilwarprofiles.com/dwight-...ert-e-lee/


would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.


No charge Catlett. Always good to learn.

Confederate history is American history. The Communist lie is the civil war was fought over slavery and nothing else.

Would you like to defend the slavery part?

(10-29-2023 02:51 PM)chess Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 09:29 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 09:02 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 08:51 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 08:41 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Wow. What an eye opener this thread has been for me. I've learned from you know it alls that:

1. Abraham Lincoln was a dictator.
2. The ignorant clowns fighting to keep people in slavery were actually really noble guys.
3. Honoring traitors is is OK, because somehow they really weren't traitors... back then.
4. Robert E Lee is MY guy whether I like it or not.
5. Nobody has any clue of what a disaster the world would have become had the noble guys from the slave states won.

WHAT A ROCK I'VE BEEN LIVING UNDER.

He was a dictator, for the reasons I stated in my post. Why do think Obama cites Lincolin as his favorite president? He wanted to emulate Lincolin. Why do you think he attacked Fox News and Rusb Limbaugh? Why do you think his administration tried to bring back The Fairness Doctrine?

On top of that, when the Union won the civil war, it allowed the government to expand into the large centralized monster we have now.

The monster is Federalism.

Lincoln, in his own words, didnt give two shites about slavery

People need to read

Free your mind indoctrinated sheep

https://www.civilwarprofiles.com/dwight-...ert-e-lee/


would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.


No charge Catlett. Always good to learn.

Confederate history is American history. The Communist lie is the civil war was fought over slavery and nothing else.

Would you like to defend the slavery part?

I never defended the slavery part. Stop making things up that I didn't say.