Perhaps Richmond should meltdown the Arthur Ash monument...The communist governments are some of the most evil governments around.

(10-27-2023 04:04 PM)hburg Wrote:  Perhaps Richmond should meltdown the Arthur Ash monument...The communist governments are some of the most evil governments around.

Next to Islamic governmemts.

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Eliminating symbols and lessons from the past b/c you don't like it seems short-sighted to me.

Should we burn down the Holocaust Museum?

Take down all the statues of our Revolutionary War heroes? I mean, every one of them was a traitor, too, right?

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It's wrong to destroy historic art because you don't like it.

(10-27-2023 03:55 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  My view is that confederate statues should be moved to museums or battlefields. Put up a infographic sign next to it describing the biography/history of the person and perhaps include a section discussing the motivations of the people/groups who commissioned the statue.

I agree.

It's a statue of an historical figure who believe it or not to the fans of this action was an incredibly important historical figure in that city.

A work by an artist was just secretly melted down and lost forever. It's a little scary, honestly how cavalier some are about this.

(10-27-2023 02:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:44 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I'm not a fan of honoring confederates.

Robert E Lee was a traitor. Lincoln let them off too easy.

While I'm from a Union state myself I think it's a huge crime to destroy Confederate monuments. It's a part of OUR history and it's better for all of it to be preserved than to whitewash pieces of it. You don't learn and grow if the history isn't preserved in as objectively neutral a manner as possible.

It shouldn't matter if you are from a union state anymore than it should for the weirdos who think it matters for some reason that they are from the south and cling to this stuff from a century and a half ago.

It's wrong to destroy historic art because you don't like it.

So you would be OK with neo nazis erecting a Hitler Statue next to the WWII memorial in DC... yeah?

That's a ridiculously false equivalence.

(10-27-2023 02:20 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Cool, glad all the important stuff has been addressed so that we now have time to melt statues.

And pay reparations, don't forget that part.

(10-27-2023 02:40 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:44 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I'm not a fan of honoring confederates.

Robert E Lee was a traitor. Lincoln let them off too easy.

While I'm from a Union state myself I think it's a huge crime to destroy Confederate monuments. It's a part of OUR history and it's better for all of it to be preserved than to whitewash pieces of it. You don't learn and grow if the history isn't preserved in as objectively neutral a manner as possible.

Who's this "OUR" you speak of ??? Robert E Lee aint part of MY history.

Why do you want to objectively neutralize that half our country rebelled against the USA so that they can keep people in slavery??? F that.

The reasons for the Civil War were a little more complicated than a bunch of Southerners wanting to keep slaves and noble Northerners pushing back against that.

I can already tell that you're wasting your breath.

But the right is the book burning group they would have you believe. What’s the significant difference in the two actions?

(10-27-2023 03:12 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:41 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:37 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:25 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:19 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Kind of an apples and oranges comparison given Hitler and the nazis were German while those that fought for the South were about all from states in this country.

None of those states were in this country from 1861 to 1865.

But they were afterwards and they have the right to honor those who fought for their state against the United States.

Forgot that part.

No I didn't forget. I don't judge the actions of the people of that era by today's standards. In that day and age people's loyalty was to their state and not the Federal government. It was a completely different mindset than today.

That's the problem with viewing events of the past through the lens of our modern culture, it can create illogical fallacies.

(10-27-2023 05:27 PM)chess Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It's wrong to destroy historic art because you don't like it.

Hey look, another false equivalency. This thread is chock full of them.

(10-27-2023 06:30 PM)banker Wrote:  But the right is the book burning group they would have you believe. What’s the significant difference in the two actions?

I can't wait for an answer to that question.

(10-27-2023 04:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Eliminating symbols and lessons from the past b/c you don't like it seems short-sighted to me.

Should we burn down the Holocaust Museum?

Take down all the statues of our Revolutionary War heroes? I mean, every one of them was a traitor, too, right?

Everything will be destroyed eventually.

(10-27-2023 02:09 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:44 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I'm not a fan of honoring confederates.

Robert E Lee was a traitor. Lincoln let them off too easy.

While I'm from a Union state myself I think it's a huge crime to destroy Confederate monuments. It's a part of OUR history and it's better for all of it to be preserved than to whitewash pieces of it. You don't learn and grow if the history isn't preserved in as objectively neutral a manner as possible.

Who's this "OUR" you speak of ??? Robert E Lee aint part of MY history.

Why do you want to objectively neutralize that half our country rebelled against the USA so that they can keep people in slavery??? F that.

My family is from Kentucky. When the war broke out my GG Grandfather went with a northern unit while 2 of his brothers went with a southern unit. I can assure you slavery played no part in their decisions as none of them were wealthy enough to own slaves. The story that was passed down was my GG Grandfather didn't want to see the Union dissolve. I never heard what prompted his brothers to go the other way but at the time loyalty was more to the state people resided in rather than the United States. Not implying slavery didn't influence some to go one way or the other but the overwhelming majority of southern troops went the way of their state as that is where their loyalty was.

Growing up In KY you were unionist but sympathetic with the south

Government school indoctrination is strong in tiis thread...its real easy to spot as is the age of the poster along with well tihose that read books.

The War of Northern Aggression for the Abolition of State Rights nhss long been over.

Richmond, is largely a shitrhole

Honestly, this is just another example of cultural decay. The can live in whatever filth the choose. Idgaf.


Lets not lose focus. Its time for CWII.

Prog filth v not prog filth.

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:44 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I'm not a fan of honoring confederates.

Robert E Lee was a traitor. Lincoln let them off too easy.

While I'm from a Union state myself I think it's a huge crime to destroy Confederate monuments. It's a part of OUR history and it's better for all of it to be preserved than to whitewash pieces of it. You don't learn and grow if the history isn't preserved in as objectively neutral a manner as possible.

Who's this "OUR" you speak of ??? Robert E Lee aint part of MY history.

Why do you want to objectively neutralize that half our country rebelled against the USA so that they can keep people in slavery??? F that.

I hate to break it to you but if you’re an American, the events and participants of the Civil War are part of YOUR history.

(10-28-2023 07:11 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:44 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I'm not a fan of honoring confederates.

Robert E Lee was a traitor. Lincoln let them off too easy.

While I'm from a Union state myself I think it's a huge crime to destroy Confederate monuments. It's a part of OUR history and it's better for all of it to be preserved than to whitewash pieces of it. You don't learn and grow if the history isn't preserved in as objectively neutral a manner as possible.

Who's this "OUR" you speak of ??? Robert E Lee aint part of MY history.

Why do you want to objectively neutralize that half our country rebelled against the USA so that they can keep people in slavery??? F that.

I hate to break it to you but if you’re an American, the events and participants of the Civil War are part of YOUR history.

Same with Germans and the Nazis, or even the Russians and the Soviets.

Wow. What an eye opener this thread has been for me. I've learned from you know it alls that:

1. Abraham Lincoln was a dictator.
2. The ignorant clowns fighting to keep people in slavery were actually really noble guys.
3. Honoring traitors is is OK, because somehow they really weren't traitors... back then.
4. Robert E Lee is MY guy whether I like it or not.
5. Nobody has any clue of what a disaster the world would have become had the noble guys from the slave states won.

WHAT A ROCK I'VE BEEN LIVING UNDER.

(10-28-2023 08:41 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Wow. What an eye opener this thread has been for me. I've learned from you know it alls that:

1. Abraham Lincoln was a dictator.
2. The ignorant clowns fighting to keep people in slavery were actually really noble guys.
3. Honoring traitors is is OK, because somehow they really weren't traitors... back then.
4. Robert E Lee is MY guy whether I like it or not.
5. Nobody has any clue of what a disaster the world would have become had the noble guys from the slave states won.

WHAT A ROCK I'VE BEEN LIVING UNDER.

He was a dictator, for the reasons I stated in my post. Why do think Obama cites Lincolin as his favorite president? He wanted to emulate Lincolin. Why do you think he attacked Fox News and Rush Limbaugh? Why do you think his administration tried to bring back The Fairness Doctrine?

On top of that, when the Union won the civil war, it allowed the government to expand into the large centralized monster we have now.