(10-27-2023 02:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:44 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I'm not a fan of honoring confederates.

Robert E Lee was a traitor. Lincoln let them off too easy.

While I'm from a Union state myself I think it's a huge crime to destroy Confederate monuments. It's a part of OUR history and it's better for all of it to be preserved than to whitewash pieces of it. You don't learn and grow if the history isn't preserved in as objectively neutral a manner as possible.

It shouldn't matter if you are from a union state anymore than it should for the weirdos who think it matters for some reason that they are from the south and cling to this stuff from a century and a half ago.

It's wrong to destroy historic art because you don't like it.

So you would be OK with neo nazis erecting a Hitler Statue next to the WWII memorial in DC... yeah?

Kind of an apples and oranges comparison given Hitler and the nazis were German while those that fought for the South were about all from states in this country.

Cool, glad all the important stuff has been addressed so that we now have time to melt statues.

(10-27-2023 02:15 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:44 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I'm not a fan of honoring confederates.

Robert E Lee was a traitor. Lincoln let them off too easy.

While I'm from a Union state myself I think it's a huge crime to destroy Confederate monuments. It's a part of OUR history and it's better for all of it to be preserved than to whitewash pieces of it. You don't learn and grow if the history isn't preserved in as objectively neutral a manner as possible.

It shouldn't matter if you are from a union state anymore than it should for the weirdos who think it matters for some reason that they are from the south and cling to this stuff from a century and a half ago.

It's wrong to destroy historic art because you don't like it.

So you would be OK with neo nazis erecting a Hitler Statue next to the WWII memorial in DC... yeah?

He didn't say that's where a Confederate statue s/ go. You don't believe in putting things of historical significance in museums?

It's a statue/monument. It's the honor and reverence that I have the problem with.

The people that glorify the confederacy are the ones revising history.

(10-27-2023 02:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:44 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I'm not a fan of honoring confederates.

Robert E Lee was a traitor. Lincoln let them off too easy.

While I'm from a Union state myself I think it's a huge crime to destroy Confederate monuments. It's a part of OUR history and it's better for all of it to be preserved than to whitewash pieces of it. You don't learn and grow if the history isn't preserved in as objectively neutral a manner as possible.

It shouldn't matter if you are from a union state anymore than it should for the weirdos who think it matters for some reason that they are from the south and cling to this stuff from a century and a half ago.

It's wrong to destroy historic art because you don't like it.

So you would be OK with neo nazis erecting a Hitler Statue next to the WWII memorial in DC... yeah?

I'd be ok with not melting down a statue that was created before I was born that had been in the public domain since the 30's.

Move it? Sure. Melt it? Weird. It's historic art. Art is not all unicorns and rainbows.

You missed the point. Not entirely surprised.

(10-27-2023 02:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:44 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I'm not a fan of honoring confederates.

Robert E Lee was a traitor. Lincoln let them off too easy.

While I'm from a Union state myself I think it's a huge crime to destroy Confederate monuments. It's a part of OUR history and it's better for all of it to be preserved than to whitewash pieces of it. You don't learn and grow if the history isn't preserved in as objectively neutral a manner as possible.

It shouldn't matter if you are from a union state anymore than it should for the weirdos who think it matters for some reason that they are from the south and cling to this stuff from a century and a half ago.

It's wrong to destroy historic art because you don't like it.

So you would be OK with neo nazis erecting a Hitler Statue next to the WWII memorial in DC... yeah?

Neo Nazi's are paid Feds.

(10-27-2023 02:19 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:44 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I'm not a fan of honoring confederates.

Robert E Lee was a traitor. Lincoln let them off too easy.

While I'm from a Union state myself I think it's a huge crime to destroy Confederate monuments. It's a part of OUR history and it's better for all of it to be preserved than to whitewash pieces of it. You don't learn and grow if the history isn't preserved in as objectively neutral a manner as possible.

It shouldn't matter if you are from a union state anymore than it should for the weirdos who think it matters for some reason that they are from the south and cling to this stuff from a century and a half ago.

It's wrong to destroy historic art because you don't like it.

So you would be OK with neo nazis erecting a Hitler Statue next to the WWII memorial in DC... yeah?

Kind of an apples and oranges comparison given Hitler and the nazis were German while those that fought for the South were about all from states in this country.

None of those states were in this country from 1861 to 1865.

(10-27-2023 02:23 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:44 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I'm not a fan of honoring confederates.

Robert E Lee was a traitor. Lincoln let them off too easy.

While I'm from a Union state myself I think it's a huge crime to destroy Confederate monuments. It's a part of OUR history and it's better for all of it to be preserved than to whitewash pieces of it. You don't learn and grow if the history isn't preserved in as objectively neutral a manner as possible.

It shouldn't matter if you are from a union state anymore than it should for the weirdos who think it matters for some reason that they are from the south and cling to this stuff from a century and a half ago.

It's wrong to destroy historic art because you don't like it.

So you would be OK with neo nazis erecting a Hitler Statue next to the WWII memorial in DC... yeah?

I'd be ok with not melting down a statue that was created before I was born that had been in the public domain since the 30's.

Move it? Sure. Melt it? Weird. It's historic art. Art is not all unicorns and rainbows.

You missed the point. Not entirely surprised.

Yeah, I never valued art over principle.

(10-27-2023 02:25 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:19 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  While I'm from a Union state myself I think it's a huge crime to destroy Confederate monuments. It's a part of OUR history and it's better for all of it to be preserved than to whitewash pieces of it. You don't learn and grow if the history isn't preserved in as objectively neutral a manner as possible.

It shouldn't matter if you are from a union state anymore than it should for the weirdos who think it matters for some reason that they are from the south and cling to this stuff from a century and a half ago.

It's wrong to destroy historic art because you don't like it.

So you would be OK with neo nazis erecting a Hitler Statue next to the WWII memorial in DC... yeah?

Kind of an apples and oranges comparison given Hitler and the nazis were German while those that fought for the South were about all from states in this country.

None of those states were in this country from 1861 to 1865.

You don't believe the people/state has the rights to honor who they want? There's a statue of George Washington in London

(10-27-2023 02:28 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:25 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:19 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It shouldn't matter if you are from a union state anymore than it should for the weirdos who think it matters for some reason that they are from the south and cling to this stuff from a century and a half ago.

It's wrong to destroy historic art because you don't like it.

So you would be OK with neo nazis erecting a Hitler Statue next to the WWII memorial in DC... yeah?

Kind of an apples and oranges comparison given Hitler and the nazis were German while those that fought for the South were about all from states in this country.

None of those states were in this country from 1861 to 1865.

You don't believe the people/state has the rights to honor who they want?

Do you mean people like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib?

(10-27-2023 02:30 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:28 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:25 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:19 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  So you would be OK with neo nazis erecting a Hitler Statue next to the WWII memorial in DC... yeah?

Kind of an apples and oranges comparison given Hitler and the nazis were German while those that fought for the South were about all from states in this country.

None of those states were in this country from 1861 to 1865.

You don't believe the people/state has the rights to honor who they want?

Do you mean people like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib?

I said PEOPLE, not person, and if the PEOPLE of those two states agreed with those two. Yes. There are many statues and items in museums all across this country that are Anti-American.

(10-27-2023 02:25 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:19 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  While I'm from a Union state myself I think it's a huge crime to destroy Confederate monuments. It's a part of OUR history and it's better for all of it to be preserved than to whitewash pieces of it. You don't learn and grow if the history isn't preserved in as objectively neutral a manner as possible.

It shouldn't matter if you are from a union state anymore than it should for the weirdos who think it matters for some reason that they are from the south and cling to this stuff from a century and a half ago.

It's wrong to destroy historic art because you don't like it.

So you would be OK with neo nazis erecting a Hitler Statue next to the WWII memorial in DC... yeah?

Kind of an apples and oranges comparison given Hitler and the nazis were German while those that fought for the South were about all from states in this country.

None of those states were in this country from 1861 to 1865.

But they were afterwards and they have the right to honor those who fought for their state.

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:44 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yeah, I'm not a fan of honoring confederates.

Robert E Lee was a traitor. Lincoln let them off too easy.

While I'm from a Union state myself I think it's a huge crime to destroy Confederate monuments. It's a part of OUR history and it's better for all of it to be preserved than to whitewash pieces of it. You don't learn and grow if the history isn't preserved in as objectively neutral a manner as possible.

Who's this "OUR" you speak of ??? Robert E Lee aint part of MY history.

Why do you want to objectively neutralize that half our country rebelled against the USA so that they can keep people in slavery??? F that.

The reasons for the Civil War were a little more complicated than a bunch of Southerners wanting to keep slaves and noble Northerners pushing back against that.

(10-27-2023 02:37 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:25 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:19 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It shouldn't matter if you are from a union state anymore than it should for the weirdos who think it matters for some reason that they are from the south and cling to this stuff from a century and a half ago.

It's wrong to destroy historic art because you don't like it.

So you would be OK with neo nazis erecting a Hitler Statue next to the WWII memorial in DC... yeah?

Kind of an apples and oranges comparison given Hitler and the nazis were German while those that fought for the South were about all from states in this country.

None of those states were in this country from 1861 to 1865.

But they were afterwards and they have the right to honor those who fought for their state against the United States.

Forgot that part.

(10-27-2023 02:41 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:37 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:25 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:19 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  So you would be OK with neo nazis erecting a Hitler Statue next to the WWII memorial in DC... yeah?

Kind of an apples and oranges comparison given Hitler and the nazis were German while those that fought for the South were about all from states in this country.

None of those states were in this country from 1861 to 1865.

But they were afterwards and they have the right to honor those who fought for their state against the United States.

Forgot that part.

There are statutes and monuments of Indian Chiefs that fought against America. Should those be moved and destroyed?

(10-27-2023 02:45 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:41 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:37 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:25 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:19 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Kind of an apples and oranges comparison given Hitler and the nazis were German while those that fought for the South were about all from states in this country.

None of those states were in this country from 1861 to 1865.

But they were afterwards and they have the right to honor those who fought for their state against the United States.

Forgot that part.

There are statutes and monuments of Indian Chiefs that fought against America. Should those be moved and destroyed?

If they were traitors, then yes.

(10-27-2023 02:41 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:37 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:25 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:19 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  So you would be OK with neo nazis erecting a Hitler Statue next to the WWII memorial in DC... yeah?

Kind of an apples and oranges comparison given Hitler and the nazis were German while those that fought for the South were about all from states in this country.

None of those states were in this country from 1861 to 1865.

But they were afterwards and they have the right to honor those who fought for their state against the United States.

Forgot that part.

No I didn't forget. I don't judge the actions of the people of that era by today's standards. In that day and age people's loyalty was to their state and not the Federal government. It was a completely different mindset than today.

(10-27-2023 02:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:15 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  While I'm from a Union state myself I think it's a huge crime to destroy Confederate monuments. It's a part of OUR history and it's better for all of it to be preserved than to whitewash pieces of it. You don't learn and grow if the history isn't preserved in as objectively neutral a manner as possible.

It shouldn't matter if you are from a union state anymore than it should for the weirdos who think it matters for some reason that they are from the south and cling to this stuff from a century and a half ago.

It's wrong to destroy historic art because you don't like it.

So you would be OK with neo nazis erecting a Hitler Statue next to the WWII memorial in DC... yeah?

He didn't say that's where a Confederate statue s/ go. You don't believe in putting things of historical significance in museums?

It's a statue/monument. It's the honor and reverence that I have the problem with.

The people that glorify the confederacy are the ones revising history.

Again missing the point

(10-27-2023 02:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:15 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 01:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  While I'm from a Union state myself I think it's a huge crime to destroy Confederate monuments. It's a part of OUR history and it's better for all of it to be preserved than to whitewash pieces of it. You don't learn and grow if the history isn't preserved in as objectively neutral a manner as possible.

It shouldn't matter if you are from a union state anymore than it should for the weirdos who think it matters for some reason that they are from the south and cling to this stuff from a century and a half ago.

It's wrong to destroy historic art because you don't like it.

So you would be OK with neo nazis erecting a Hitler Statue next to the WWII memorial in DC... yeah?

He didn't say that's where a Confederate statue s/ go. You don't believe in putting things of historical significance in museums?

It's a statue/monument. It's the honor and reverence that I have the problem with.

The people that glorify the confederacy are the ones revising history.

If it's in a museum it's not honoring. THINK!

There's a museum dedicated to Jim Crow here in Michigan at Ferris St U. Do you think that s/ get shut down & all those artifacts burned?

My view is that confederate statues should be moved to museums or battlefields. Put up a infographic sign next to it describing the biography/history of the person and perhaps include a section discussing the motivations of the people/groups who commissioned the statue.

(10-27-2023 03:33 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:22 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:15 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:05 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-27-2023 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It shouldn't matter if you are from a union state anymore than it should for the weirdos who think it matters for some reason that they are from the south and cling to this stuff from a century and a half ago.

It's wrong to destroy historic art because you don't like it.

So you would be OK with neo nazis erecting a Hitler Statue next to the WWII memorial in DC... yeah?

He didn't say that's where a Confederate statue s/ go. You don't believe in putting things of historical significance in museums?

It's a statue/monument. It's the honor and reverence that I have the problem with.

The people that glorify the confederacy are the ones revising history.

If it's in a museum it's not honoring. THINK!

There's a museum dedicated to Jim Crow here in Michigan at Ferris St U. Do you think that s/ get shut down & all those artifacts burned?

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