(10-16-2023 08:49 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 11:05 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I'm still trying to figure out who the victim in this is.. If the banks and partners made money and didn't file a complaint, what's the problem?

There is no victim. This is 100% nothing more than a political witch hunt to try and keep Trump off the ballot. We've seen it before. It's nauseating.

The victim is clearly Trump.

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(10-16-2023 08:25 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I am skeptical of the integrity of the prosecution... and I want that critically vetted before I even delve into the guilt or innocence of the accused. Much, but certainly not all nor even a majority of what they have said supports my belief. You alternatively have said on numerous occasions that you would at least somewhat agree with some of the contentions, IF Trump were not a criminal... so much of your contention is predicated on Trump's guilt. He broke the law, so you are willing to look past much of what concerns me... and many others.

The problem with your repeated insulting contention is that at least one of the other people whom I suspect you respect agrees very much with my position... and you just choose to gloss over that. I am reticent to throw numbers under the bus, but the facts are the facts.

That should end this thread.... Bravo

(10-16-2023 12:48 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  "Edited to add: as a mod -- feel free to ding me 'warning level points' for my deliberate troll. It *is* against the rules, and *did* happen. it made my point ina crystal clear manner, I would add. But feel free to hit me with those warning points. Rules are rules."

So can we Call out Mods on the Board now?

Not calling anyone out. He made a comment on trolling that was correct.

(10-16-2023 12:13 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 08:25 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I am skeptical of the integrity of the prosecution... and I want that critically vetted before I even delve into the guilt or innocence of the accused. Much, but certainly not all nor even a majority of what they have said supports my belief. You alternatively have said on numerous occasions that you would at least somewhat agree with some of the contentions, IF Trump were not a criminal... so much of your contention is predicated on Trump's guilt. He broke the law, so you are willing to look past much of what concerns me... and many others.

The problem with your repeated insulting contention is that at least one of the other people whom I suspect you respect agrees very much with my position... and you just choose to gloss over that. I am reticent to throw numbers under the bus, but the facts are the facts.

That should end this thread.... Bravo

The problem is he has mistated what I have said. Imagine that.

I think there is a solid basis for investigating Trump -- going back awhile.

My stance is too fing bad they found stuff as a result of that (those) investigations. Huge difference there. One that seem to fly well over the head of most here.

LMAO!!!

You are just eat up with TDS, huh?

(10-16-2023 01:07 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  LMAO!!!

You are just eat up with TDS, huh?

It's just kind of sad at this point.

Some interesting stuff in this thread, for sure!

Especially this:

(10-16-2023 01:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 01:07 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  LMAO!!!

You are just eat up with TDS, huh?

It's just kind of sad at this point.

It's was sad a couple of weeks ago.

Now, it's just laughable.

(10-16-2023 01:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Some interesting stuff in this thread, for sure!

Especially this:

#magaLLC

what a flaming arsehole you splatter from dem of wolves … #expectoRant

(10-16-2023 01:26 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 01:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 01:07 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  LMAO!!!

You are just eat up with TDS, huh?

It's just kind of sad at this point.

It's was sad a couple of weeks ago.

Now, it's just laughable.

The only derangement here, are the mopes who continually beat the drum of poor trump instead of actually looking at the case, what he's accused of, and how the trial is progressing. That's all tanq and I are really doing here. It's really not even about trump personally any more as you guys continually want to direct this discussion to. But I see why, actually, it's hard to defend the indefensible.

For years you types are all law and order and if you break the law and such you should pay. Now you want to seem to ignore all that just because someone might have looked a little too hard or was a little overzealous in finding laws broke by trump.

Well, ****, it looks like he did break the laws....but hey let him go because a mean person or a person with an agenda actually found that he did likely break some laws.

That, sir, is sort of deranged. Abandoning your so called morals all for the cult.

And again, nobody is forcing you to continually click on this thread and create posts while you tell us how WE are somehow deranged for clicking on and posting in it.

(10-16-2023 01:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 01:26 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 01:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 01:07 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  LMAO!!!

You are just eat up with TDS, huh?

It's just kind of sad at this point.

It's was sad a couple of weeks ago.

Now, it's just laughable.

The only derangement here, are the mopes who continually beat the drum of poor trump instead of actually looking at the case, what he's accused of, and how the trial is progressing. That's all tanq and I are really doing here. It's really not even about trump personally any more as you guys continually want to direct this discussion to. But I see why, actually, it's hard to defend the indefensible.

For years you types are all law and order and if you break the law and such you should pay. Now you want to seem to ignore all that just because someone might have looked a little too hard or was a little overzealous in finding laws broke by trump.

Well, ****, it looks like he did break the laws....but hey let him go because a mean person or a person with an agenda actually found that he did likely break some laws.

That, sir, is sort of deranged. Abandoning your so called morals all for the cult.

And again, nobody is forcing you to continually click on this thread and create posts while you tell us how WE are somehow deranged for clicking on and posting in it.

Thank you for proving my point. Again.

(10-16-2023 01:37 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 01:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 01:26 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 01:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 01:07 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  LMAO!!!

You are just eat up with TDS, huh?

It's just kind of sad at this point.

It's was sad a couple of weeks ago.

Now, it's just laughable.

The only derangement here, are the mopes who continually beat the drum of poor trump instead of actually looking at the case, what he's accused of, and how the trial is progressing. That's all tanq and I are really doing here. It's really not even about trump personally any more as you guys continually want to direct this discussion to. But I see why, actually, it's hard to defend the indefensible.

For years you types are all law and order and if you break the law and such you should pay. Now you want to seem to ignore all that just because someone might have looked a little too hard or was a little overzealous in finding laws broke by trump.

Well, ****, it looks like he did break the laws....but hey let him go because a mean person or a person with an agenda actually found that he did likely break some laws.

That, sir, is sort of deranged. Abandoning your so called morals all for the cult.

And again, nobody is forcing you to continually click on this thread and create posts while you tell us how WE are somehow deranged for clicking on and posting in it.

Thank you for proving my point. Again.

li’l dumplin’s are easier than a lmnop knob swabb’n in San Fran…

(10-16-2023 01:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Some interesting stuff in this thread, for sure!

Especially this:

To determine whether or not to believe some random dweebs, you should first ask them if they believe Maralargo is only valued at $25million. Because that thread is nothing but a sausage party of dudes who believe just that.

(10-16-2023 02:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 01:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Some interesting stuff in this thread, for sure!

Especially this:

To determine whether or not to believe some random dweebs, you should first ask them if they believe Maralargo is only valued at $25million. Because that thread is nothing but a sausage party of dudes who believe just that.

With this crew, it's more of a Vienna Sausage party.

But, your point is still valid.

(10-16-2023 11:38 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The facts are obvious Ham.

Yes they are.

It is all but the mantra of most conservatives/libertarians on this forum, and numerous other places... including the left that the government, because of its power, has a vastly greater duty to ensure that it is acting completely above board... and the actions over the past few years represent to most of us, a HUGE increase in the amount of partisanship not only of leadership within the government (which has been the case for a few decades now) but at increasingly large levels throughout the entire structure in more recent years.

I will repeat what I said years ago... from the start of my participation in this thread and have repeated ad nauseum... I am skeptical of the integrity of the prosecution... and I want that critically vetted before I even delve into the guilt or innocence of the accused.

This prosecution falls short in the eyes of virtually everyone on here but you... and despite me being in the clear majority on this forum, you accuse ME of issuing a 'royal edict?' That truly is laughable. At most I am a member of the proletariat.

As for numbers... All you're demonstrating here is that he is vastly kinder to you than I... though I oddly trace this change in you to my coming on to this forum in defense of you, again almost identically to numbers... so numbers, beware....

You grant no grace TO me, you get none FROM me. Everyone on here gets your point.... including me... Some disagree with your conclusion, and others like me never get to your question.

(10-16-2023 03:51 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 11:38 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The facts are obvious Ham.

Yes they are.

It is all but the mantra of most conservatives/libertarians on this forum, and numerous other places... including the left that the government, because of its power, has a vastly greater duty to ensure that it is acting completely above board... and the actions over the past few years represent to most of us, a HUGE increase in the amount of partisanship not only of leadership within the government (which has been the case for a few decades now) but at increasingly large levels throughout the entire structure in more recent years.

I will repeat what I said years ago... from the start of my participation in this thread and have repeated ad nauseum... I am skeptical of the integrity of the prosecution... and I want that critically vetted before I even delve into the guilt or innocence of the accused.

This prosecution falls short in the eyes of virtually everyone on here but you... and despite me being in the clear majority on this forum, you accuse ME of issuing a 'royal edict?' That truly is laughable.

As for numbers... All you're demonstrating here is that he is vastly kinder to you than I... though I oddly trace this change in you to my coming on to this forum in defense of you, again almost identically to numbers... so numbers, beware....

You grant no grace TO me, you get none FROM me. Everyone on here gets your point.... including me... Some disagree with your conclusion, and others like me never get to your question.

One is going for the facts of the case one is looking for excuses.

(10-16-2023 03:53 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 03:51 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 11:38 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The facts are obvious Ham.

Yes they are.

It is all but the mantra of most conservatives/libertarians on this forum, and numerous other places... including the left that the government, because of its power, has a vastly greater duty to ensure that it is acting completely above board... and the actions over the past few years represent to most of us, a HUGE increase in the amount of partisanship not only of leadership within the government (which has been the case for a few decades now) but at increasingly large levels throughout the entire structure in more recent years.

I will repeat what I said years ago... from the start of my participation in this thread and have repeated ad nauseum... I am skeptical of the integrity of the prosecution... and I want that critically vetted before I even delve into the guilt or innocence of the accused.

This prosecution falls short in the eyes of virtually everyone on here but you... and despite me being in the clear majority on this forum, you accuse ME of issuing a 'royal edict?' That truly is laughable.

As for numbers... All you're demonstrating here is that he is vastly kinder to you than I... though I oddly trace this change in you to my coming on to this forum in defense of you, again almost identically to numbers... so numbers, beware....

You grant no grace TO me, you get none FROM me. Everyone on here gets your point.... including me... Some disagree with your conclusion, and others like me never get to your question.

One is going for the facts of the case one is looking for excuses.

Well, if you get Ham pissed at you, you done something stupid.

As long as corrupt and biased law enforcement and prosecutors can bring cases before corrupt and biased judges, there will be no justice for their chosen targets.

And much of the current abuses were enabled by the patRIOT act. My conservative friends, remember when you were telling me that if you had done nothing wrong, you had nothing to worry about? False. Some bureaucrat a-hole who decides that he/she doesn't like you can make your life miserable--and will derive great pleasure from doing so.

(10-16-2023 03:51 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 11:38 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The facts are obvious Ham.

Yes they are.

It is all but the mantra of most conservatives/libertarians on this forum, and numerous other places... including the left that the government, because of its power, has a vastly greater duty to ensure that it is acting completely above board... and the actions over the past few years represent to most of us, a HUGE increase in the amount of partisanship not only of leadership within the government (which has been the case for a few decades now) but at increasingly large levels throughout the entire structure in more recent years.

I will repeat what I said years ago... from the start of my participation in this thread and have repeated ad nauseum... I am skeptical of the integrity of the prosecution... and I want that critically vetted before I even delve into the guilt or innocence of the accused.

This prosecution falls short in the eyes of virtually everyone on here but you... and despite me being in the clear majority on this forum, you accuse ME of issuing a 'royal edict?' That truly is laughable. At most I am a member of the proletariat.

Maybe you might note exactly *what* the subject of the 'royal edict' language is/was. It is *not* your 'gubbmint out to get Trump' issue. If you want to buy into that -- that is your opinion.

My 'royal edict' comment is the issue of yours here (and elsewhere) that *how dare* one bring up a comment that says 'Ham is unfailingly in line with supporting Trump' --- we had that back and forth a bit back, some by PM. I refrained from baiting you with it even *after* your continuous misrepresentation of my stance.

So the 'royal edict was your issue that one must take your statement of your not supporting Trump even in light of your unceasing defense of Trump. And I contrasted your edict of that with your continued rash and incorrect generalization of my stance -- even in light of my express comments in fact that were to the contrary.

Please try and get the object of the 'royal edict' language correct -- as I dont think you really have above. I'll be happy to cut and paste the section for you if you havent looked at it.

the 'royal edict' language I employed with you had zero bearing on your worldview of a vast cabal/conspiracy. You want to believe that —- more power to you. And that vast majority of people here that follow that lock, stock and two smoking shotguns. Your opinion in that respect is not what I was referring to, but nice try in attempting to veer that statement to that issue.

It had every bearing on the section I used it in, and in the sole subject of that response. And that response had zero to do with your comments above, mind you.

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As to the italicized --- that sounds great. I suggest you actually look at some issues when you do so. As opposed to trying to question judicial notice of threefold increase in the SF of Manhattan skyscraper from one floor to three floors, using actual deeds and plans -- and trying to form *your* excuse based on your experiences with 'garage space' and 'outdoor space', or trying to wash away an issue where a transfer or development rights by property deed by equating it an ag exemption.

If you want to look 'critically', please do. Nothing in here or in our PMs indicates your have done anything more than look at rhetorical one liners in your pursuit of 'critical examination', to be honest.