(10-03-2023 07:02 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 06:53 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 05:39 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  If a RINO has to win in order for the GOP to have a healthy “majority” then it’s not really a majority to begin with. That is exactly how we got Trump in 2016, failed RINOs who talked a big game but when the chips were down - fold.


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And if you read the post that are the loudest in this thread it's mostly the.....

Never Trumpers.

They now care if a Democrat is the Speaker of the House but they don't give a shite if they elect Biden or any other democrat as President.

Whose a never Trumper here? Some dislike him. But, I don't think anyone has said they wouldn't vote for him. But, you seem to know who they are so I'd appreciate the names.

Theee aren't any. He's interwebs rich. Just ask him.

(10-03-2023 06:33 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 04:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 03:57 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 03:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 03:47 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  I mean all democrats voting with the 11 republicans which includes Gaetz, should concern everyone when all the dems are teaming up with them to make this happen.

Ehh. The Democrats are voting against any Republican. This vote simply reflects the fact that McCarthy cannot get a majority of the House from the Republican Party. He barely had them in January when he was elected and his failure to follow through with the agreement he made with the GOP members caused him to lose the Speakership. I think its a good thing. The next Speaker wont think he can get away with ignoring promises to his own Party members.

The next speaker could end up a dem. It would only take a few people switching sides for that to happen. Try to go for someone more conservative and the some of the moderates wont go for that. McCarthy barely got it after 15 rounds of voting.

There is a reason all the dems joined to remove him. I can promise you it is not because they believe this will lead to a more conservative speaker. They aint stupid.

Any Republican voting for Jeffries is done politically. Nothing Ive seen among the current inhabitants of DC indicate anyone there is looking to give up power prematurely---especially to elect a Speaker they likely disagree with more than any more conservative Republican. We will be fine. The Republicans will elect a Speaker from their own and will move on. Its more important to get the right leadership than it is to align under bad leadership thats comfortable with more of the same crap we had under Democrats. Whoever is elected will understand they cannot make any promises they dont intend to follow through with.

Don't be so sure. Bret Baier reported tonight that the Dems are working on a number of moderate Repubs to get them to flip, and right now they seem to have a shot. They only need a handful. You never know who might decide to retire and flip on the way out.

IF that happens, all the Repubs who caused this, including Gaetz, need to resign.

Oh, and go read the editorial Gingrich wrote on Gaetz today.

If that happens why aren't you putting blame on those that switch? Or the reason this happened in the first place. I believe you said you were neither democrat or republican but you seem perfectly OK with with republicans doing the same shite they always do.....

say one thing to get elected and do the other

(10-03-2023 07:05 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 06:33 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 04:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 03:57 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 03:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ehh. The Democrats are voting against any Republican. This vote simply reflects the fact that McCarthy cannot get a majority of the House from the Republican Party. He barely had them in January when he was elected and his failure to follow through with the agreement he made with the GOP members caused him to lose the Speakership. I think its a good thing. The next Speaker wont think he can get away with ignoring promises to his own Party members.

The next speaker could end up a dem. It would only take a few people switching sides for that to happen. Try to go for someone more conservative and the some of the moderates wont go for that. McCarthy barely got it after 15 rounds of voting.

There is a reason all the dems joined to remove him. I can promise you it is not because they believe this will lead to a more conservative speaker. They aint stupid.

Any Republican voting for Jeffries is done politically. Nothing Ive seen among the current inhabitants of DC indicate anyone there is looking to give up power prematurely---especially to elect a Speaker they likely disagree with more than any more conservative Republican. We will be fine. The Republicans will elect a Speaker from their own and will move on. Its more important to get the right leadership than it is to align under bad leadership thats comfortable with more of the same crap we had under Democrats. Whoever is elected will understand they cannot make any promises they dont intend to follow through with.

Don't be so sure. Bret Baier reported tonight that the Dems are working on a number of moderate Repubs to get them to flip, and right now they seem to have a shot. They only need a handful. You never know who might decide to retire and flip on the way out.

IF that happens, all the Repubs who caused this, including Gaetz, need to resign.

Oh, and go read the editorial Gingrich wrote on Gaetz today.

If that happens why aren't you putting blame on those that switch? Or the reason this happened in the first place. I believe you said you were neither democrat or republican but you seem perfectly OK with with republicans doing the same shite they always do.....

say one thing to get elected and do the other

I don't give a sh!t about either party. I want them both to dissolve, along with most of the federal gov. Impossible of course, but a boy can dream.

But I have a current lean to Repubs simply b/c I prefer stupid to evil.

I didn't say anything about blaming anyone. They're all at fault.

I was simply explaining what I heard today. Sorry I didn't say what you liked.

The GOP is effed. Gaetz should be hung from a tree. Here's the votes to remove McCarthy...

208 DEMS
8 GOP

Eight. EIGHT GOP cowards joined with the DEMS to remove the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE that has never happened in our history as a country.

Makes me want to puke. 8 GOPers over 210 wield power joining with the DEMS. Traitors. Disgusting. Embarrassing.

HEY GAETZ! HEY GREASY OIL HAIRED GAETZ! YOU RUNNING FOR SPEAKER? NOPE! YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN MIND WHO WILL GET ELECTED AS SPEAKER? NOPE!

The premise that moderate republicans are worse than hard core dems is ridiculous. Moderate republicans after all voted for the good Supreme court justices Trump put forward. They voted for the tax cuts. They voted against the massive 3 trillion Biden so called family bill.

Ya they may vote against other pieces of legislation, but it is much better than nothing.

This all goes out the window when it is one in a deep red area I hope they get replaced by more conservative candidates. Or when they claim they are hard right and then aren't like McCain did. But, when republicans have a razor thin majority and you would rather have dems than republicans... Well you may get your wish.

(10-03-2023 07:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The GOP is effed. Gaetz should be hung from a tree. Here's the votes to remove McCarthy...

208 DEMS
8 GOP

Eight. EIGHT GOP cowards joined with the DEMS to remove the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE that has never happened in our history as a country.

Makes me want to puke. 8 GOPers over 210 wield power joining with the DEMS. Traitors. Disgusting. Embarrassing.

HEY GAETZ! HEY GREASY OIL HAIRED GAETZ! YOU RUNNING FOR SPEAKER? NOPE! YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN MIND WHO WILL GET ELECTED AS SPEAKER? NOPE!

I hope the little Baptist brat who likes to get wrapped up in sex scandals gets primaried out.

(10-03-2023 04:49 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 04:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 04:37 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 04:15 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Who here doesn't agree with everything Gaetz said in that statement. Hell, we talk about it everyday here.

I don't agree with anything he said.

And I think what he did hurts the Republicans in getting more conservative things passed. He is just the right's version of the woke. 100% for me or you are the enemy.

The problem McCarthy has is Gaetz is not asking for anything unreasonable. So yeah---if your obstructing reasonable requests that are not only good for the party---but good for the ENTIRE NATION (like getting back to the normal budgeting process)---Gaetz is right----McCarthy is no better than the Democrats. Gaetz isnt asking to be Speaker. He's simply asking that McCarthy either live up to his agreement or get removed. McCarthy picked the latter. Thats on him.

With McCarthy voted out---a number of legit options who were hesitant to be considered in January are now going to be available. Im sure the Republicans will settle on someone---and whoever it is----after todays lesson----will not likely be making promises they dont intend to keep.

The reason we didn't have the normal budget process is primarily because the far right of the Republican party opposed pretty much every bill. McCarthy couldn't get the Republican Party in line.

(10-03-2023 05:18 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 04:22 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Once again, democrats act in lockstep, republicans drift all around. This is why we lose.

We are going to end up with a RINO or a democrat.

McCarthy was a RINO.


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Definition of a RINO-voting with Democrats. That's Matt Gaetz and the 7 others.

McCarthy not seeking house speaker job

so it will be someone new

(10-03-2023 06:01 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Good news, republicans on the problem solvers conference, who basically voted with democrats in the conference on stuff like ukraine funding, may leave the conference en masse after dems voted out McCarthy.

Another win for ousting McCarthy, as republicans who were getting played publicly found out they were getting played.

That's being the smart party, not the stupid party. One good move.

(10-03-2023 06:29 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 05:55 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 05:37 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 05:30 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Something that needs to be said is that Matt Gaetz can be absolutely right that McCarthy is not a good speaker. The problem is this will be 100% pinned on republicans making chances of elections going their way less likely. And that's if they manage to thread the needle and elect another republican leader that might be slightly better than McCarthy. Which I don't think will happen. So at best it's bad for republicans. At worse it's catastrophic.

The GOP wont win key races because the establishment has sabotaged the populist wing of the party for years. The RNC controls the funding for elections and would rather lose if MAGA types end up being the nominee. You can blame MAGA all you want (I don’t disagree that some candidate last cycle that were Trump backed were terrible), but more blame needs to shift to McConnell/Ryan for undercutting momentum on that side of the party


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Funding was given to Trump supporting candidates. It was not given to all MAGA candidates just like it wasn't given to some non Trump supporting candidates.

It's also funny that McCarthy did one of the exact same things that Trump did. Trump went behind republicans back and negotiated with the dems to increase spending rather than decrease it.

Not true. That was a whole issue throughout the midterm election

McCarthy was not that way. Now McConnell was another issue. Like Matt Gaetz, he helped sabotaged Republicans he didn't like.

(10-03-2023 07:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 05:18 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 04:22 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Once again, democrats act in lockstep, republicans drift all around. This is why we lose.

We are going to end up with a RINO or a democrat.

McCarthy was a RINO.


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Definition of a RINO-voting with Democrats. That's Matt Gaetz and the 7 others.

Snow Pelosi and the Seven Republitards.

(10-03-2023 07:32 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 07:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The GOP is effed. Gaetz should be hung from a tree. Here's the votes to remove McCarthy...

208 DEMS
8 GOP

Eight. EIGHT GOP cowards joined with the DEMS to remove the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE that has never happened in our history as a country.

Makes me want to puke. 8 GOPers over 210 wield power joining with the DEMS. Traitors. Disgusting. Embarrassing.

HEY GAETZ! HEY GREASY OIL HAIRED GAETZ! YOU RUNNING FOR SPEAKER? NOPE! YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN MIND WHO WILL GET ELECTED AS SPEAKER? NOPE!

I hope the little Baptist brat who likes to get wrapped up in sex scandals gets primaried out.

(10-03-2023 07:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The GOP is effed. Gaetz should be hung from a tree. Here's the votes to remove McCarthy...

208 DEMS
8 GOP

Eight. EIGHT GOP cowards joined with the DEMS to remove the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE that has never happened in our history as a country.

Makes me want to puke. 8 GOPers over 210 wield power joining with the DEMS. Traitors. Disgusting. Embarrassing.

HEY GAETZ! HEY GREASY OIL HAIRED GAETZ! YOU RUNNING FOR SPEAKER? NOPE! YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN MIND WHO WILL GET ELECTED AS SPEAKER? NOPE!

3 Republicans also voted "present." Probably the 3 who voted against tabling the motion, but I haven't seen the list anywhere of who the 6 voting present were (3 R, 3 D). 2 seats were vacant and Pelosi was at Feinstein's funeral and didn't vote.

208 Democrats and 8 RINOs voted to remove the speaker.
210 Republicans voted to keep the speaker.

Republicans just get dumber and dumber.

(10-03-2023 07:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 07:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The GOP is effed. Gaetz should be hung from a tree. Here's the votes to remove McCarthy...

208 DEMS
8 GOP

Eight. EIGHT GOP cowards joined with the DEMS to remove the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE that has never happened in our history as a country.

Makes me want to puke. 8 GOPers over 210 wield power joining with the DEMS. Traitors. Disgusting. Embarrassing.

HEY GAETZ! HEY GREASY OIL HAIRED GAETZ! YOU RUNNING FOR SPEAKER? NOPE! YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN MIND WHO WILL GET ELECTED AS SPEAKER? NOPE!

3 Republicans also voted "present." Probably the 3 who voted against tabling the motion, but I haven't seen the list anywhere of who the 6 voting present were (3 R, 3 D). 2 seats were vacant and Pelosi was at Feinstein's funeral and didn't vote.

208 Democrats and 8 RINOs voted to remove the speaker.
210 Republicans voted to keep the speaker.

McCarthy can run again and with all that support can win the speakership back.

(10-03-2023 07:52 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Republicans just get dumber and dumber.

Just some of them.

They have to be deep plants. Nobody is this stupid.

(10-03-2023 07:55 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 07:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 07:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The GOP is effed. Gaetz should be hung from a tree. Here's the votes to remove McCarthy...

208 DEMS
8 GOP

Eight. EIGHT GOP cowards joined with the DEMS to remove the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE that has never happened in our history as a country.

Makes me want to puke. 8 GOPers over 210 wield power joining with the DEMS. Traitors. Disgusting. Embarrassing.

HEY GAETZ! HEY GREASY OIL HAIRED GAETZ! YOU RUNNING FOR SPEAKER? NOPE! YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN MIND WHO WILL GET ELECTED AS SPEAKER? NOPE!

3 Republicans also voted "present." Probably the 3 who voted against tabling the motion, but I haven't seen the list anywhere of who the 6 voting present were (3 R, 3 D). 2 seats were vacant and Pelosi was at Feinstein's funeral and didn't vote.

208 Democrats and 8 RINOs voted to remove the speaker.
210 Republicans voted to keep the speaker.

McCarthy can run again and with all that support can win the speakership back.

McCarthy has said he will not run again. I don't blame him. Of course, he can change his mind.

America totally deserves whatever happens.

Gaetz pushed for the power play and now owns it. It will be fascinating watching how things go down. I suspect Gaetz didn't think it all the way through. But, hey, he's a media darling now.

When the blowback hits like Katrina I will point it out at every opportunity.

Well, then I suggest that we all do some serious sky screaming and run around telling everybody that the world is ending then.