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(09-11-2023 10:37 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  we all know why … it doesn’t fit the muh muh muh digital portfolio…

yeah, buggy, let the prelude to the next uncivil war begin…

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(09-11-2023 12:42 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 11:39 AM)mlb Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 11:11 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Nah. It’s all the big cash transactions. Every transaction over the limit requires additional paperwork and a risk of being involved in some sort of illegal activity. I’m feel like we have gone overboard on regulations regarding cash. It’s one of the only places where it’s fine to assume guilt despite a complete absence of any proof of wrongdoing. The mere existence of a large amount of cash is considered in and of itself as proof of wrongdoing unless the holder can prove the cash was obtained via legal means.

You are probably correct. I believe the biggest impetus behind those regulations were the drug dealers... I don't think it has done anything to solve the problem either.

Republicans in congress embraced this law just as they did the rest of the Patriot Act....

never ever freely give up anything to government believing they will only use it to go after the "bad guy". Sooner or later those same laws will be turned on everyone. If they will misuse laws to try and unseat a sitting President that should be all any of us need to know as just how dangerous "laws" can be for us all.

Never trust your government. At any level.

Obama weaponized and the little prog filth drmocrats continue. But yeah whine about a republican trying to stop another 9/11

Americans are idiots.

Name one non filth poster here that trusts the government
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(09-11-2023 07:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Here is the bill to alter the current confiscation laws. Doesnt appear to me any progress on the bill has occurred since it was introduced on 06/14/2023


https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-cong...25/actions

What you afraid of? If you have nothing to hide, you're safe, this law is only going to go after the bad guys.

Same thing was said on the house floor before the Patriot Act was voted on

Same thing was said when congress voted on a bill to get the cheaters not paying their fair share by selling on line.....20k before getting reported is now down to $600 and every person that cleans out their garage and sells it on line and goes over that $600, not a one time sell but ALL COMBINED must not go over $600 or you get reported to the IRS. Then its up to you to prove you really didn't make any money.

You can add to this list and make it the longest on this board with things our government did to "protect us" then used in another way. Before 2016 most Americans believed them...

not so much now but it really doesn't matter if you know they lie to you at every turn. What do people really think the J6 prison sentences are about? It's to put everyone on notice that don't **** with us we control each of you
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(09-11-2023 07:30 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 12:42 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 11:39 AM)mlb Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 11:11 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Nah. It’s all the big cash transactions. Every transaction over the limit requires additional paperwork and a risk of being involved in some sort of illegal activity. I’m feel like we have gone overboard on regulations regarding cash. It’s one of the only places where it’s fine to assume guilt despite a complete absence of any proof of wrongdoing. The mere existence of a large amount of cash is considered in and of itself as proof of wrongdoing unless the holder can prove the cash was obtained via legal means.

You are probably correct. I believe the biggest impetus behind those regulations were the drug dealers... I don't think it has done anything to solve the problem either.

Republicans in congress embraced this law just as they did the rest of the Patriot Act....

never ever freely give up anything to government believing they will only use it to go after the "bad guy". Sooner or later those same laws will be turned on everyone. If they will misuse laws to try and unseat a sitting President that should be all any of us need to know as just how dangerous "laws" can be for us all.

Never trust your government. At any level.

Obama weaponized and the little prog filth drmocrats continue. But yeah whine about a republican trying to stop another 9/11

Americans are idiots.

Name one non filth poster here that trusts the government

I pointed out republicans because back then most trusted the government. "What you got to hide", "This only goes after large drug dealers", "If you not doing anything illegal you have nothing to worry about". All of those were common among the republican party and republican voter. Today we have seen the flip of sides and I would say MOST republican don't trust their government.

Democrats use to fight against government over reach...today they are basically "Bush Republicans" when it comes to government having more control. I'm not talking about the crazies but every day people
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Gab has consistently been denied access to the banking system for their stance on the First Amendment—ie, they believe in it.
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The irony is terrorism and the cartels lauded their money with digital currency now. Cash is too bulky. I still use cash for about 90% of my daily purchases. I still get to buy stuff when the CC machines are off line.
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(09-12-2023 01:25 AM)banker Wrote:  The irony is terrorism and the cartels lauded their money with digital currency now. Cash is too bulky. I still use cash for about 90% of my daily purchases. I still get to buy stuff when the CC machines are off line.

They may use digital, but are often simply using regular banks and either paying bribes, or have the issue ignored because it’s so profitable.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/fe...oliticians

As usual, the biggest corporations in the world are involved in all sorts of criminal activity while they spend huge sums to chase down the small time players.
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I saw an interview of a coin shop owner that had his banker call him and said his transactions were flagged as “suspicious” by the AI. He has done bussiness with this bank for 40 years. He was trying to keep his deposits under $10k, because there is extra reporting involved. The flagged deposits were in the $9k range.

The lesson here, keep your cash deposits under $9k. The whole nefarious reason for this attack on Local Coin Shops (LCS) is because they give private citizens another way of storing their wealth outside the banking system with precious metals.
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(09-12-2023 05:58 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I saw an interview of a coin shop owner that had his banker call him and said his transactions were flagged as “suspicious” by the AI. He has done bussiness with this bank for 40 years. He was trying to keep his deposits under $10k, because there is extra reporting involved. The flagged deposits were in the $9k range.

The lesson here, keep your cash deposits under $9k. The whole nefarious reason for this attack on Local Coin Shops (LCS) is because they give private citizens another way of storing their wealth outside the banking system with precious metals.

then they'll get you for 'how many made over X period' ... good luck escaping the continued throTTTlin' by muh former uncle samuel...

agree

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(09-11-2023 07:40 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 07:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Here is the bill to alter the current confiscation laws. Doesnt appear to me any progress on the bill has occurred since it was introduced on 06/14/2023


https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-cong...25/actions

What you afraid of? If you have nothing to hide, you're safe, this law is only going to go after the bad guys.

Same thing was said on the house floor before the Patriot Act was voted on

Same thing was said when congress voted on a bill to get the cheaters not paying their fair share by selling on line.....20k before getting reported is now down to $600 and every person that cleans out their garage and sells it on line and goes over that $600, not a one time sell but ALL COMBINED must not go over $600 or you get reported to the IRS. Then its up to you to prove you really didn't make any money.

You can add to this list and make it the longest on this board with things our government did to "protect us" then used in another way. Before 2016 most Americans believed them...

not so much now but it really doesn't matter if you know they lie to you at every turn. What do people really think the J6 prison sentences are about? It's to put everyone on notice that don't **** with us we control each of you

Warning shots across our bows.
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(09-11-2023 04:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 02:28 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 01:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 01:29 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 11:11 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Nah. It’s all the big cash transactions. Every transaction over the limit requires additional paperwork and a risk of being involved in some sort of illegal activity. I’m feel like we have gone overboard on regulations regarding cash. It’s one of the only places where it’s fine to assume guilt despite a complete absence of any proof of wrongdoing. The mere existence of a large amount of cash is considered in and of itself as proof of wrongdoing unless the holder can prove the cash was obtained via legal means.

It's not just banks, either. There are still many stories of people who, for one reason or another, were traveling with a large amount of cash and had it confiscated by authorities, despite there being no evidence of criminal activity. These seizures should be illegal without evidence of criminal activity. Often, the funds are never returned. The citizen has little to no recourse.

Absolutely. Thats largely what I was referring to with the comments about being considered guilty just by the mere presence of large amounts of cash. There are lots of legitimate cash business in the US. This automatic assumption that cash is related to drugs until proven otherwise seems completely unconstitutional to me (in a government confiscation the due process burden of proof should be on the government---not the citizen---especially if you've just confiscated their financial ability to hire legal help). I have never understood how that law continues to survive as it seemingly goes against everything the public largely believes our justice system to be.

Simply declaring the cash prior to entry would go a long way in alleviating all seizures. Not saying taking the money is right, but if the proper steps were followed, that wouldn't have been an option, unless of course something shady was going on.

Im not sure what your saying here. If your saying that you protect yourself by simply letting law enforcement know you have the cash before its found---thats not correct.

Under current law, the mere presence of cash is considered "evidence of a crime". Thats how they are able to seize it---its "evidence". "Declaring it" doesnt block that from happening to the best of my knowledge (in fact, it only invites the search that will yield the cash). The only way to avoid it being taken is to prevent the search from occurring. Once large amounts of cash are found in a search it can be taken---and declaring that you have large amounts of cash beforehand simply gives law enforcement reasonable cause to search (its no different from saying "I have a large amount of drugs in my car"). As has been pointed out----there is now a profit motive for departments and agencies to grab the cash anytime they can---otherwise, I suspect law enforcement would behave reasonably if you are a law abiding citizen and have a reasonable explanation for the cash.

Honestly---I thought these stories were total fabrication until I found out a few years ago that these kinds of outrageous seizures now happen all the time because its become a revenue stream for law enforcement.

I've declared money before and had no issue. After declaring, they never asked to search anything. They asked a couple of questions and I was on my way. I know it's anecdotal, but that was my experience.
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(09-12-2023 09:00 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 04:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 02:28 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 01:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 01:29 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  It's not just banks, either. There are still many stories of people who, for one reason or another, were traveling with a large amount of cash and had it confiscated by authorities, despite there being no evidence of criminal activity. These seizures should be illegal without evidence of criminal activity. Often, the funds are never returned. The citizen has little to no recourse.

Absolutely. Thats largely what I was referring to with the comments about being considered guilty just by the mere presence of large amounts of cash. There are lots of legitimate cash business in the US. This automatic assumption that cash is related to drugs until proven otherwise seems completely unconstitutional to me (in a government confiscation the due process burden of proof should be on the government---not the citizen---especially if you've just confiscated their financial ability to hire legal help). I have never understood how that law continues to survive as it seemingly goes against everything the public largely believes our justice system to be.

Simply declaring the cash prior to entry would go a long way in alleviating all seizures. Not saying taking the money is right, but if the proper steps were followed, that wouldn't have been an option, unless of course something shady was going on.

Im not sure what your saying here. If your saying that you protect yourself by simply letting law enforcement know you have the cash before its found---thats not correct.

Under current law, the mere presence of cash is considered "evidence of a crime". Thats how they are able to seize it---its "evidence". "Declaring it" doesnt block that from happening to the best of my knowledge (in fact, it only invites the search that will yield the cash). The only way to avoid it being taken is to prevent the search from occurring. Once large amounts of cash are found in a search it can be taken---and declaring that you have large amounts of cash beforehand simply gives law enforcement reasonable cause to search (its no different from saying "I have a large amount of drugs in my car"). As has been pointed out----there is now a profit motive for departments and agencies to grab the cash anytime they can---otherwise, I suspect law enforcement would behave reasonably if you are a law abiding citizen and have a reasonable explanation for the cash.

Honestly---I thought these stories were total fabrication until I found out a few years ago that these kinds of outrageous seizures now happen all the time because its become a revenue stream for law enforcement.

I've declared money before and had no issue. After declaring, they never asked to search anything. They asked a couple of questions and I was on my way. I know it's anecdotal, but that was my experience.

This was a YouTuber’s experience as well “Yankee Stacking” bought some collectible gold coins from his Bahamas trip, I think it was about $4k in gold, the declaration process was a little hassle, a little sweating, but mostly no problem. Again, I think the magic number is under $10k.
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(09-12-2023 09:17 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  
(09-12-2023 09:00 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 04:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 02:28 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 01:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Absolutely. Thats largely what I was referring to with the comments about being considered guilty just by the mere presence of large amounts of cash. There are lots of legitimate cash business in the US. This automatic assumption that cash is related to drugs until proven otherwise seems completely unconstitutional to me (in a government confiscation the due process burden of proof should be on the government---not the citizen---especially if you've just confiscated their financial ability to hire legal help). I have never understood how that law continues to survive as it seemingly goes against everything the public largely believes our justice system to be.

Simply declaring the cash prior to entry would go a long way in alleviating all seizures. Not saying taking the money is right, but if the proper steps were followed, that wouldn't have been an option, unless of course something shady was going on.

Im not sure what your saying here. If your saying that you protect yourself by simply letting law enforcement know you have the cash before its found---thats not correct.

Under current law, the mere presence of cash is considered "evidence of a crime". Thats how they are able to seize it---its "evidence". "Declaring it" doesnt block that from happening to the best of my knowledge (in fact, it only invites the search that will yield the cash). The only way to avoid it being taken is to prevent the search from occurring. Once large amounts of cash are found in a search it can be taken---and declaring that you have large amounts of cash beforehand simply gives law enforcement reasonable cause to search (its no different from saying "I have a large amount of drugs in my car"). As has been pointed out----there is now a profit motive for departments and agencies to grab the cash anytime they can---otherwise, I suspect law enforcement would behave reasonably if you are a law abiding citizen and have a reasonable explanation for the cash.

Honestly---I thought these stories were total fabrication until I found out a few years ago that these kinds of outrageous seizures now happen all the time because its become a revenue stream for law enforcement.

I've declared money before and had no issue. After declaring, they never asked to search anything. They asked a couple of questions and I was on my way. I know it's anecdotal, but that was my experience.

This was a YouTuber’s experience as well “Yankee Stacking” bought some collectible gold coins from his Bahamas trip, I think it was about $4k in gold, the declaration process was a little hassle, a little sweating, but mostly no problem. Again, I think the magic number is under $10k.

Isn't it anything $10k and over in cash, money order, or travelers checks that needs to be declared? Not sure why $4k in gold would have been an issue.
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(09-12-2023 05:58 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I saw an interview of a coin shop owner that had his banker call him and said his transactions were flagged as “suspicious” by the AI. He has done bussiness with this bank for 40 years. He was trying to keep his deposits under $10k, because there is extra reporting involved. The flagged deposits were in the $9k range.

The lesson here, keep your cash deposits under $9k. The whole nefarious reason for this attack on Local Coin Shops (LCS) is because they give private citizens another way of storing their wealth outside the banking system with precious metals.

People loved paying rent in cash till I updated it to direct pay. I use to stagger when rents were due to keep the limit around 8k on deposits.....

I use to get flagged a couple times a year because of the total amount of my deposits. It doesn't have to just be one bank to get flagged. We had our rental in three group and used 3 different banks and got flagged once because of the total amount of deposits at 2 of the banks.....

that let me know how close big brother keeps an eye on all of us
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(09-12-2023 09:00 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 04:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 02:28 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 01:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 01:29 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  It's not just banks, either. There are still many stories of people who, for one reason or another, were traveling with a large amount of cash and had it confiscated by authorities, despite there being no evidence of criminal activity. These seizures should be illegal without evidence of criminal activity. Often, the funds are never returned. The citizen has little to no recourse.

Absolutely. Thats largely what I was referring to with the comments about being considered guilty just by the mere presence of large amounts of cash. There are lots of legitimate cash business in the US. This automatic assumption that cash is related to drugs until proven otherwise seems completely unconstitutional to me (in a government confiscation the due process burden of proof should be on the government---not the citizen---especially if you've just confiscated their financial ability to hire legal help). I have never understood how that law continues to survive as it seemingly goes against everything the public largely believes our justice system to be.

Simply declaring the cash prior to entry would go a long way in alleviating all seizures. Not saying taking the money is right, but if the proper steps were followed, that wouldn't have been an option, unless of course something shady was going on.

Im not sure what your saying here. If your saying that you protect yourself by simply letting law enforcement know you have the cash before its found---thats not correct.

Under current law, the mere presence of cash is considered "evidence of a crime". Thats how they are able to seize it---its "evidence". "Declaring it" doesnt block that from happening to the best of my knowledge (in fact, it only invites the search that will yield the cash). The only way to avoid it being taken is to prevent the search from occurring. Once large amounts of cash are found in a search it can be taken---and declaring that you have large amounts of cash beforehand simply gives law enforcement reasonable cause to search (its no different from saying "I have a large amount of drugs in my car"). As has been pointed out----there is now a profit motive for departments and agencies to grab the cash anytime they can---otherwise, I suspect law enforcement would behave reasonably if you are a law abiding citizen and have a reasonable explanation for the cash.

Honestly---I thought these stories were total fabrication until I found out a few years ago that these kinds of outrageous seizures now happen all the time because its become a revenue stream for law enforcement.

I've declared money before and had no issue. After declaring, they never asked to search anything. They asked a couple of questions and I was on my way. I know it's anecdotal, but that was my experience.

What do you mean by declared? Maybe I'm confused but are you talking coming into the country or stopped by the police? This is America, why would anyone need to tell the police they have so and so cash on them?

I usually keep two or three thousand in cash on me at most times because some times we wake up on any given morning and say lets go to Ft Lauderdale or PC Beach, Biloxi, or even up the road to the casino. My wife probably has a thousand or so on her......

I dont see any reason to "declare" that just because a police asked. There is not a law federal or state that said I can't load my car up to the ceiling with cash if that's what I want to do. Coming back into the country theirs laws or depositing it into the bank there are laws on them reporting it.

There's nothing saying I have to tell anyone what I'm carrying or got hide in my car or home
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The Patriot Act was a nice set up for this. Prior to that Bush's war on drugs set up some guidelines which allowed seizures made by law enforcement to fund the war on drugs. The Patriot Act simply declared that if you had more than 5G on you, or in your vehicle, or in a safe deposit box you might be a terrorist. 5G became the line for confiscation. It was the first shot fired on the public for the possession of cash and was likely an incentive established to one day move to a digital currency. The problem was the law extended this to include precious metals, jewels, or any portable form of wealth which could be used as currency.

What it did was potentially criminalize millions of Americans who kept family jewels, coin collections, precious metals, stocks and bonds, or other such things in a safe deposit box. Also, if your safe deposit box was rented prior to the passage of the act it may not be inspected without a warrant. Government agencies may inspect any box rented after the passage of the act. This is a reason why the number of home safes suddenly escalated. It also served to devalue collections as many were liquidated to avoid the hassle leaving only the rarest of coins going up in value and leading the melt of many more which had a metal value equal to or greater than the collector value of the coin.

It effectively criminalized anyone who didn't trust the banking system and so kept what was once the recommended 3 months worth of wages in cash at home, made collections of rare coins, stamps, or antiquities of precious metals or jewels essentially public if kept at home, even in a safe, as you would need special insurance, and set a limit on the amount of precious metal you could have without it being subject to confiscation. And folks 5 thousand dollars gets you only 2 and a half ounces of gold on good day.

The measure forces the public to stay all in with the fiat currency and with a banking system which is way over leveraged, and controls the perception of that by trade with other Central banks which are as well. The comparison between them makes them appear to be liquid due to the relative equivalency. The despicable part of this is that it criminalizes people who are innocent of any crime, earned the money they keep at home for security of their family's sake, criminalizes heirloom jewelry passed down for generations, and turns hobbies into potential crimes. And all of those who have these things have the burden of the proof of ownership and taxes paid placed upon them when only after tax dollars could have been used to purchase the items or comprise the cash because of withholdings.

And these examples are not recent. Coin and precious metals dealers traveling to and from shows have already suffered confiscations. And when a rare silver dollar is confiscated, one which could be worth thousands of dollars, the possessor of the coin will likely get face value back from those who do the confiscation as the collectible frequently disappears in the lockup and the coins state value is $1.

If the groundwork was ever laid for the institution of a socialist system in this nation it was laid with certain provisions, few to be sure, which were well placed within this act.

So brothers and sisters the personal possession of portable wealth was eliminated under the excuse of a heinous act by terrorists and used to tie you down to a national debt of catastrophic proportions. It set the limit you may exercise private authority over at 5 thousand, set the boundaries for confiscation of anything over that limit, and put all of the burden of proof upon your ownership and taxes paid upon it.

Receipts are essential, including bank withdrawal receipts to prove previous ownership of cash withdrawals. Keep all transaction receipts for any hobby with value, stamps, coins, historical objects made of precious metals, and family heirlooms need to be stored with the will which gave them to you. I'd recommend a safe deposit box or separate fireproof safe these documents, statements, your insurance policies, and your will(s). And if you get a standard cash register receipt I recommend photo copying them as the ink upon them fades to nothing.
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(09-12-2023 10:27 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(09-12-2023 05:58 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I saw an interview of a coin shop owner that had his banker call him and said his transactions were flagged as “suspicious” by the AI. He has done bussiness with this bank for 40 years. He was trying to keep his deposits under $10k, because there is extra reporting involved. The flagged deposits were in the $9k range.

The lesson here, keep your cash deposits under $9k. The whole nefarious reason for this attack on Local Coin Shops (LCS) is because they give private citizens another way of storing their wealth outside the banking system with precious metals.

People loved paying rent in cash till I updated it to direct pay. I use to stagger when rents were due to keep the limit around 8k on deposits.....

I use to get flagged a couple times a year because of the total amount of my deposits. It doesn't have to just be one bank to get flagged. We had our rental in three group and used 3 different banks and got flagged once because of the total amount of deposits at 2 of the banks.....

that let me know how close big brother keeps an eye on all of us

lol, the bold is what regulators call "structuring". It's definitely a red flag for banks and you were definitely on a "high risk" list if you did that repeatedly. And yes, the amounts are aggregated.
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RE: More bank accounts closed
(09-12-2023 10:43 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
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(09-11-2023 02:28 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-11-2023 01:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Absolutely. Thats largely what I was referring to with the comments about being considered guilty just by the mere presence of large amounts of cash. There are lots of legitimate cash business in the US. This automatic assumption that cash is related to drugs until proven otherwise seems completely unconstitutional to me (in a government confiscation the due process burden of proof should be on the government---not the citizen---especially if you've just confiscated their financial ability to hire legal help). I have never understood how that law continues to survive as it seemingly goes against everything the public largely believes our justice system to be.

Simply declaring the cash prior to entry would go a long way in alleviating all seizures. Not saying taking the money is right, but if the proper steps were followed, that wouldn't have been an option, unless of course something shady was going on.

Im not sure what your saying here. If your saying that you protect yourself by simply letting law enforcement know you have the cash before its found---thats not correct.

Under current law, the mere presence of cash is considered "evidence of a crime". Thats how they are able to seize it---its "evidence". "Declaring it" doesnt block that from happening to the best of my knowledge (in fact, it only invites the search that will yield the cash). The only way to avoid it being taken is to prevent the search from occurring. Once large amounts of cash are found in a search it can be taken---and declaring that you have large amounts of cash beforehand simply gives law enforcement reasonable cause to search (its no different from saying "I have a large amount of drugs in my car"). As has been pointed out----there is now a profit motive for departments and agencies to grab the cash anytime they can---otherwise, I suspect law enforcement would behave reasonably if you are a law abiding citizen and have a reasonable explanation for the cash.

Honestly---I thought these stories were total fabrication until I found out a few years ago that these kinds of outrageous seizures now happen all the time because its become a revenue stream for law enforcement.

I've declared money before and had no issue. After declaring, they never asked to search anything. They asked a couple of questions and I was on my way. I know it's anecdotal, but that was my experience.

What do you mean by declared? Maybe I'm confused but are you talking coming into the country or stopped by the police? This is America, why would anyone need to tell the police they have so and so cash on them?

I usually keep two or three thousand in cash on me at most times because some times we wake up on any given morning and say lets go to Ft Lauderdale or PC Beach, Biloxi, or even up the road to the casino. My wife probably has a thousand or so on her......

I dont see any reason to "declare" that just because a police asked. There is not a law federal or state that said I can't load my car up to the ceiling with cash if that's what I want to do. Coming back into the country theirs laws or depositing it into the bank there are laws on them reporting it.

There's nothing saying I have to tell anyone what I'm carrying or got hide in my car or home

I was talking about coming into the country. Hell no, I don't know of a reason a cop would ask, unless there is already a crime and the monies are evidence. I apologize if I was misunderstanding your meaning.
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RE: More bank accounts closed
The magic number has been $10k for a long time for a Currency Transaction Report (CTR)... too long IMO. That had nothing to do with Patriot Act either. That is an old Bank Secrecy Act rule
that goes back to the 80's and it was originally for Drug related stuff (money laundering more specifically).

Back then $10K went A LOOOOONG way as compared today. The average bank may have had 100 or so filings a year and the overall average # of filings per institution was much less than 100. Now the annual reporting average is in the 1,000's (per bank per year). The banking industry has been trying to get that limit raised for a long time to no avail. I suspect now with the government strapped for money, that limit will never rise. Making matter worse (as someone mentioned) you need to watch for structuring too. You do a bunch of cash transactions in excess of $3k over a short period of time, you will surely get a Suspicious Activity Report filed on you - that is far, far worse than a CTR. The IRS gets to see those - that is when the party starts.


In the end, if you are not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide. You are far better off doing the single $15k cash transaction than three of $7K, $3K, $5K to avoid a CTR....
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RE: More bank accounts closed
(09-12-2023 01:06 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  The magic number has been $10k for a long time for a Currency Transaction Report (CTR)... too long IMO. That had nothing to do with Patriot Act either. That is an old Bank Secrecy Act rule
that goes back to the 80's and it was originally for Drug related stuff (money laundering more specifically).

Back then $10K went A LOOOOONG way as compared today. The average bank may have had 100 or so filings a year and the overall average # of filings per institution was much less than 100. Now the annual reporting average is in the 1,000's (per bank per year). The banking industry has been trying to get that limit raised for a long time to no avail. I suspect now with the government strapped for money, that limit will never rise. Making matter worse (as someone mentioned) you need to watch for structuring too. You do a bunch of cash transactions in excess of $3k over a short period of time, you will surely get a Suspicious Activity Report filed on you - that is far, far worse than a CTR. The IRS gets to see those - that is when the party starts.


In the end, if you are not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide. You are far better off doing the single $15k cash transaction than three of $7K, $3K, $5K to avoid a CTR....

The Patriot Act had to do with Cash on the person or kept in a non visible way, not banking transactions. I think the drug laws for cash on hand have something similar. Youi might be a a terrorist or drug dealer if.... I know it changed Safe Deposit Laws because I had to move shortly thereafter and read the new contracts.
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