(07-06-2023 09:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-06-2023 09:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm all for stopping Trump from winning the GOP nom. Problem is what do he and his voters do next? 3rd party? Sit out?

Honestly, I think the old senile lying corrupt basturd has his path paved with gold again, either way, even without cheating. Which puts this country in a terrible bind, IMO. Of course, I will be 81 before Biden or his surrogate finishes the next term. Thank goodness.

It would suck a lot worse if I were 20.

P.S. The Koch brothers are no more. David died a few years ago.

That's why you can't go scorched earth. You talk about getting the job done.
You echo some of his complaints. And point out how he did a bunch of whining but let it happen anyway.

Agree. I just don't see how anybody not named Trump can win the GOP nom, even though anybody not named Trump can likely beat Biden, but Trump can't. Catch 22.

(07-06-2023 10:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-06-2023 09:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-06-2023 09:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm all for stopping Trump from winning the GOP nom. Problem is what do he and his voters do next? 3rd party? Sit out?

Honestly, I think the old senile lying corrupt basturd has his path paved with gold again, either way, even without cheating. Which puts this country in a terrible bind, IMO. Of course, I will be 81 before Biden or his surrogate finishes the next term. Thank goodness.

It would suck a lot worse if I were 20.

P.S. The Koch brothers are no more. David died a few years ago.

That's why you can't go scorched earth. You talk about getting the job done.
You echo some of his complaints. And point out how he did a bunch of whining but let it happen anyway.

Agree. I just don't see how anybody not named Trump can win the GOP nom, even though anybody not named Trump can likely beat Biden, but Trump can't. Catch 22.

This^^^.

(07-06-2023 07:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Problem is that the 60 percent or so of republican voters that Trump can get are the only votes he can get in a general. And that won't win.

I see no reason to believe any republican can win.

(07-06-2023 10:47 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(07-06-2023 07:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Problem is that the 60 percent or so of republican voters that Trump can get are the only votes he can get in a general. And that won't win.

I see no reason to believe any republican can win.

I think a repub can win if Trump lost and urged his supporters to vote for the nom. But we all know that ain't happening. Trump is for Trump only.

Signed --

A Moronic Trumplet

This is what the electoral map should look like in 2024 considering the Biden Presidency. There is no cheating the dems could cook up to overcome this. Alas our country has become too caught up in the social issues and as forgotten the only thing that lets us be free to ***** and moan about social issues is economic security.

I would consider Charles Koch more libertarian than globalist, although being in the oil business necessarily requires some globalist thinking.

(07-06-2023 10:58 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-06-2023 10:47 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(07-06-2023 07:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Problem is that the 60 percent or so of republican voters that Trump can get are the only votes he can get in a general. And that won't win.

I see no reason to believe any republican can win.

I think a repub can win if Trump lost and urged his supporters to vote for the nom. But we all know that ain't happening. Trump is for Trump only.

Signed --

A Moronic Trumplet

I wish that was true but I fear its not. I fear the game is too rigged.

(07-06-2023 11:13 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  This is what the electoral map should look like in 2024 considering the Biden Presidency. There is no cheating the dems could cook up to overcome this. Alas our country has become too caught up in the social issues and as forgotten the only thing that lets us be free to ***** and moan about social issues is economic security.

West Virginia is DEEP red now.

It was once blue because of the coal miners and the unions but those days are long gone. The Dems crushed the coal industry.

I believe the brothers were Never Trumpers in 2016 and 2020

Bullet Trump was ahead by MILLIONS in the states where the vote counting was stopped.....

you can't see over a million cheat votes? I guess it depends on what your ideal of cheating is. While neither of us can prove it I would not be surprised if the total was not in the millions on mail in ballot cheating. Mainly other people filling out other peoples voter cards. Special rules put in place for this one election with 95% of those votes going for Biden.

10,000 people working the ground across America is only 100 voter cards collected by each to reach a million. Some of these democrat intercity government apartments will have 200 or 300 in one apartment complex. Didn't take a million votes to swing this election.

All of this 3rd party run by Trump was the same type bullshite some of you people were saying in 2016 or some other stupid shite in the same neighborhood. Its funny Trump "only cares about Trump" yet he's the only damn president in the last 40+ years, maybe in our lifetime that ran on something and tried his best to do as he said he was going to...

fighting both parties, the media, his own government. Actual doing a good job at it till a manmade virus was released in a country that Trump was kicking their ass. I'm not usually a conspiracy type person but the timing of the Covid release was the only thing that was going to stop Trump from winning in 2020. It allowed everything else to take place and without the 10s of millions mail in ballots that up to this point in history were votes a person had to make the effort to go vote. The election is most likely not close.

Its funny as hell that some of you believe Trump is out for #1 but must believe all of the rest cares about everything but themselves. #1 is the most important thing to ALL POLITICIANS. The politicians is not going to open their mouth and tell you anything unless they ran it by 5 other people and they agree its OK to say. Or till they check out if it will be popular....

hardly ever will you get what they would say if they were not in office or running for one. And 99% of the time its all talk because they are telling the sheepe (both parties) what they believe those idiots want to hear. It's funny reading both sides thinking their guy is not going to do what's best for that person and each side calling the other....sheep

A politician....not out for #1 funniest f'ing shite I ever heard

(07-06-2023 09:56 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(07-06-2023 08:14 PM)banker Wrote:  

(07-06-2023 07:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Problem is that the 60 percent or so of republican voters that Trump can get are the only votes he can get in a general. And that won't win.

I would still argue that Trump received more legitimate votes than any person, running for any office, in the history of the United States. So there’s that.

I wish DeSantis wasn’t just another corporate RINO employing a modified persona, but he is. He’s essentially John McCain doing a Trump impersonation to try to win the presidency. I can’t support that.

I'm curious do you have any support behind him being a corporate RINO?

I'm talking actions not who donates/supports him. I already had a liberal saying Trump is white supremacist cause some white supremacists donated to and or supported him. So save me the who donates to you makes you a globalist centrist.

I will give Trump credit. He's managed to make people believe the most conservative governor I've ever seen is a deep state center left guy.

One example would be his rapid flip flop on his stance of the Ukraine/Russia conflict. He plainly said his position was that it was a “territorial conflict” that was not in our vital national interest. He backed off that in a heartbeat - my guess because his donors didn’t care for that take.

His initial position is not one you state without it actually being how you feel. His willingness to quickly back away from his opinion means that you can’t count on him to stand up for anything he claims to believe in if it’s going to impact the money flow. You can’t separate a politician from their donors.

(07-07-2023 02:07 AM)banker Wrote:  

(07-06-2023 09:56 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(07-06-2023 08:14 PM)banker Wrote:  

(07-06-2023 07:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Problem is that the 60 percent or so of republican voters that Trump can get are the only votes he can get in a general. And that won't win.

I would still argue that Trump received more legitimate votes than any person, running for any office, in the history of the United States. So there’s that.

I wish DeSantis wasn’t just another corporate RINO employing a modified persona, but he is. He’s essentially John McCain doing a Trump impersonation to try to win the presidency. I can’t support that.

I'm curious do you have any support behind him being a corporate RINO?

I'm talking actions not who donates/supports him. I already had a liberal saying Trump is white supremacist cause some white supremacists donated to and or supported him. So save me the who donates to you makes you a globalist centrist.

I will give Trump credit. He's managed to make people believe the most conservative governor I've ever seen is a deep state center left guy.

One example would be his rapid flip flop on his stance of the Ukraine/Russia conflict. He plainly said his position was that it was a “territorial conflict” that was not in our vital national interest. He backed off that in a heartbeat - my guess because his donors didn’t care for that take.

His initial position is not one you state without it actually being how you feel. His willingness to quickly back away from his opinion means that you can’t count on him to stand up for anything he claims to believe in if it’s going to impact the money flow. You can’t separate a politician from their donors.

I guess we just disagree on it being a flip flop. He said he didn't intend anyone to believe that meant he felt Russia was in it's rights to invade Ukraine. He meant territorial dispute as in we shouldn't get more involved in it. Nikki Haley, Lindsay Graham and others after he told Piers that it was a territorial dispute, they said he meant he thought Russia did nothing wrong. DeSantis corrected them and I'm not sure a) how people could misconstrue calling it a territorial dispute as saying Russia is right. and b) how is it a flip flop. He clarified what what he meant by it, he still thinks it's a territorial dispute and we shouldn't be involved like we are now. The position in regards to how he treats the conflict has not change, which is what I require it to have done to call it a flip flop.

And ya you can separate politicians from their donors. Otherwise you would have to then accept that Trump has had several known white supremist donate to his campaign and has even dined with several.

Now I don't think that Trump should personally vet every single person he meets, nor should he be held liable for every single person who donates money to him. I don't think you do either. But, if we hold everyone to the same standard then you would have to.

Republicans cannot win with Trump, and they cannot win without him. And the country cannot afford four more years of what we have now. So pray.

Republicans need to drop the "2020 and 2022 were stolen" rhetoric, and take care of business. Maybe there were places where things were stolen, they either have to fix those or win despite them. But regardless, they have to figure out a way to win. I don't think Donald Trump is that way. I know that Donald Trump complaining about how things were stolen is absolutely not the way.

The way for republicans to win is to make it about issues, not personalities. And Donald Trump will always be about personalities. But first they need to find some winning issue positions. And absolute opposition to abortion and LGBTQIA+ rights aren't them.

They can win on health care by backing Bismarck universal care instead of the disaster that is Obamacare. Health care was a winning issue in 2016 until they had control of all three houses--senate, HOR, and white--and did nothing. They can make it a winner in 2024, but this time they need an actual concrete solution. And the best health care systems in the world, by almost any objective ranking, seems a pretty good place to start. Heritage gave them a nudge in that direction in the 1990s, but 30 years later they still haven't taken the hint.

Border security could be a winning issue. But I still don't think a wall works along the Rio Grande. You have to build it on the Texas side, and so by the time an immigrant gets to the wall, he/she is already on US soil and entitled to all the rights and privileges that go with that. Until we have a comprehensive immigration law, that's a huge problem. So build the wall along California, Arizona, and New Mexico, go with Will Hurd's idea of stepped up enforcement including electronic sensors to build a virtual wall along the Texas border, and put a comprehensive immigration policy in place. The Canadian points-based merit system would be a huge improvement.

The leftists have gone absolutely crazy over climate change. It makes zero sense to move from fossil fuels until we have something to move to, and right now we don't have that. Come up with practical ways to reduce carbon emissions, recognizing that the only way to achieve a significant reduction with current technology is nuclear. Wind and solar work where the wind blows and the sun shines (Texas, for example), but not in most of the northern interior. Re-electrifying the rail system, with power from nuke plants, would be one approach that would significantly reduce greenhouse gases.

The military is fast making itself into a woke joke. Commit to having the strongest military in the world, bar none, for less than we are spending now, and get rid of things that don't contribute to that objective. And then never have to use it, because nobody dares pick a fight with us, and we don't go around picking on them. Never fight a war that you don't intend to win. Chasing goat herders in pickup trucks around the MidEast is not fighting a war that we intend to win, and it is actually harming our military strength by sacrificing lives, limbs, and equipment, while creating a false sense of what it takes to fight a peer enemy.

We are in Cold War II, and this time the enemy is China, not Russia. We need a strategy to win. Part of that involves stronger military, part of that involves bringing critical manufacturing home, part of that is building alliances to stop Chinese expansion, like Truman and Marshall did with Europe after WWII.

I said that abortion and LGBTQIA+ rights are not winners. They can be if the focus is on the absolutely loony positions of the far left. Live birth abortions are not justified in any event. Trans people say they just want to be left alone, but pronouns and bathrooms aren't being left alone, they are forcing their preferences on the rest of us.

Those and others are enough winners there for republicans to prevail. But they need to be honest with themselves and form a plan that can win with the cards they are dealt. And Donald Trump is a problem.

(07-06-2023 08:14 PM)banker Wrote:  

(07-06-2023 07:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Problem is that the 60 percent or so of republican voters that Trump can get are the only votes he can get in a general. And that won't win.

I would still argue that Trump received more legitimate votes than any person, running for any office, in the history of the United States. So there’s that.

I wish DeSantis wasn’t just another corporate RINO employing a modified persona, but he is. He’s essentially John McCain doing a Trump impersonation to try to win the presidency. I can’t support that.

I am sorry, the moderate or centrist Republicans and the Independents don't like chaos. The majority of the people in both parties and the Independents want neither Biden nor Trump to be the nominee. We need a third party alternative, but our system have been rigged for just 2 parties, and both sides are rigging it to be one party. People are tired of the Democrats, Republicans and the rich fat cats like Trump controlling this country.

(07-06-2023 08:14 PM)banker Wrote:  

(07-06-2023 07:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Problem is that the 60 percent or so of republican voters that Trump can get are the only votes he can get in a general. And that won't win.

I would still argue that Trump received more legitimate votes than any person, running for any office, in the history of the United States. So there’s that.

I wish DeSantis wasn’t just another corporate RINO employing a modified persona, but he is. He’s essentially John McCain doing a Trump impersonation to try to win the presidency. I can’t support that.

I am sorry, the moderate or centrist Republicans and the Independents don't like chaos. The majority of the people in both parties and the Independents want neither Biden nor Trump to be the nominee. We need a third party alternative, but our system have been rigged for just 2 parties, and both sides are rigging it to be one party. People are tired of the Democrats, Republicans and the rich fat cats like Trump controlling this country.

(07-07-2023 04:27 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  I am sorry, the moderate or centrist Republicans and the Independents don't like chaos.

And those are the votes that you need in order to win a general election. So somebody needs to figure out how to appeal to them.

(07-07-2023 04:32 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-07-2023 04:27 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  I am sorry, the moderate or centrist Republicans and the Independents don't like chaos.

And those are the votes that you need in order to win a general election. So somebody needs to figure out how to appeal to them.

The economy.

(07-06-2023 08:39 PM)banker Wrote:  Biden will either die or be mentally incapacitated by 1-20-25.

Are we sure he isn’t already?
He has the cognitive capacity of a turnip.

He’s a puppet of the woke mob the Democrats surrendered their party to. Only a group of woke idiots can be behind the crap this administration is pushing.

For example everyone in the country who knew the president doesn’t have the power to forgive debt, even Nancy Pelosi. It didn’t stop this administration from using it to pander to 22-30 year olds who don’t know better.

Remember if John Fetterman can win an election anyone can

(07-06-2023 10:58 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think a repub can win if Trump lost and urged his supporters to vote for the nom. But we all know that ain't happening. Trump is for Trump only.

Signed --

A Moronic Trumplet

Your acknowledgment that Donald Trump is a losing bet for the Republicans excludes you, by definition, from the Trumplet label.

What you are is a Trumplet apologist - - much like tanq. is an authoritarian apologist. But at least you get credit for staying in the conversation, and not slink away when unforgiving reality leaves you intellectually stranded.

(B.t.w., there is nothing inherently wrong in being a Trumplet. I am a New York Mets fan, for God’s sake, so I know what it means to back a loser. The offense is in the crying like a two-year-old when your chosen hero is shown up as a paper tiger.)

(07-07-2023 06:08 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-06-2023 10:58 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think a repub can win if Trump lost and urged his supporters to vote for the nom. But we all know that ain't happening. Trump is for Trump only.

Signed --

A Moronic Trumplet

Your acknowledgment that Donald Trump is a losing bet for the Republicans excludes you, by definition, from the Trumplet label.

What you are is a Trumplet apologist - - much like tanq. is an authoritarian apologist. But at least you get credit for staying in the conversation, and not slink away when unforgiving reality leaves you intellectually stranded.

(B.t.w., there is nothing inherently wrong in being a Trumplet. I am a New York Mets fan, for God’s sake, so I know what it means to back a loser. The offense is in the crying like a two-year-old when your chosen hero is shown up as a paper tiger.)

On cue




Billionaire, president, married three models and reproduced with each, paper tiger.

Bwahahaha