(06-24-2023 01:41 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 01:17 PM)Curumim Wrote:  6 billion dollars for this. Well done, CIA. The american citizen must be pissed...

If you didn't hear about it: https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russi...b1973a44ef

They arent pissed because they are stupid.

Im severely pissed.

Be more pissed that Biden left 10 times that to the Taliban.

(06-24-2023 02:22 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 02:19 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 01:51 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Somebody just pissed in the punch of all the low T warmongers.

So sad. I warned you.



Go back to playing call of duty in moms basement

yes, 'oui' did ...

I simply love you droppin' the hammer comin' out of every corner at 7900 RPM ... it's been more than impressive in this thread ... broheim ... fk these g'dammed stupid fk'n pieces o' eight tards...

Sometimes its gotta be done

XACLY!

(06-24-2023 01:49 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 01:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Utter nonsense. The US government did not fund the Wagner rebellion. Some of you guys have completely lost your minds. Look---I get that some believe we should in no way be involved in Ukraine. I dont agree---but its still a completely reasonable point of view that I actually am somewhat sympathetic to. The idea that Putin is not at fault for the war and that the evil West is completely at fault for the Ukraine War is---and Im sorry---nothing more than Pro-Putin propganda and I find it embarrassing that we actually have so called republicans not only repeating it----but somehow believing it. One of the top military figures in Russia literally spilled the beans on the whole thing this week and admitted that all the BS claims Russia made as excuses for the invasion were false. Seems to me that pretty much ends the debate right there.

Well there are reporters and news agencies all across Europe and the free world who vehemently disagree with you on this and can make an incredibly fact based and compelling case. Our media has engaged in a total blackout of that side of this all along, but none of this is hard to dig up if you just read media coverage outside of America.

Now of course your wording this carefully to say the west is "completely" at fault and Putin did nothing wrong at all. That is obviously not what most people say or believe and certainly not what countless news agencies have been reporting for years on this.

But anyone arguing that our industrial military complex and deep state has not been actively seeking and instigating this war for several years in Ukraine just has their head in the sand and is utterly delusional. We have poured billions into Ukraine and created regime changes in Ukraine and conducted propaganda campaigns and all sorts of activates that have been well documented for several years by multiple European agencies many times over. Our own elites in Washington have openly bragged for years that a war in Ukraine is the key to getting Putin overthrown in Russia.

We've already hashed this out countless times, none of these FACTS make Putin the good guy our absolves him from this invasion and war. But its an undeniable fact that we have sought this war our for years and have spend billions to help fund and create the situation and anyone denying these well documented FACTS is just delusional.

Permanent Washington and the industrial war machine have wanted this all along.

I have become so apprehensive about our DC Double Standard Government these days I really don't know what to believe. I do know that we meddle in everyone's business around the world. We are the police of the world which is ludicrous when you think about how 3% of the world population is attempting to police the other 97%.

Nothing would surprise me in what truth might eventually come out in this Ukraine venture. As a longtime friend who subcontracted in the Pentagon for years always used to say FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL and you will understand what is taking place.

(06-24-2023 01:49 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 01:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Utter nonsense. The US government did not fund the Wagner rebellion. Some of you guys have completely lost your minds. Look---I get that some believe we should in no way be involved in Ukraine. I dont agree---but its still a completely reasonable point of view that I actually am somewhat sympathetic to. The idea that Putin is not at fault for the war and that the evil West is completely at fault for the Ukraine War is---and Im sorry---nothing more than Pro-Putin propganda and I find it embarrassing that we actually have so called republicans not only repeating it----but somehow believing it. One of the top military figures in Russia literally spilled the beans on the whole thing this week and admitted that all the BS claims Russia made as excuses for the invasion were false. Seems to me that pretty much ends the debate right there.

Well there are reporters and news agencies all across Europe and the free world who vehemently disagree with you on this and can make an incredibly fact based and compelling case. Our media has engaged in a total blackout of that side of this all along, but none of this is hard to dig up if you just read media coverage outside of America.

Now of course your wording this carefully to say the west is "completely" at fault and Putin did nothing wrong at all. That is obviously not what most people say or believe and certainly not what countless news agencies have been reporting for years on this.

But anyone arguing that our industrial military complex and deep state has not been actively seeking and instigating this war for several years in Ukraine just has their head in the sand and is utterly delusional. We have poured billions into Ukraine and created regime changes in Ukraine and conducted propaganda campaigns and all sorts of activates that have been well documented for several years by multiple European agencies many times over. Our own elites in Washington have openly bragged for years that a war in Ukraine is the key to getting Putin overthrown in Russia.

We've already hashed this out countless times, none of these FACTS make Putin the good guy our absolves him from this invasion and war. But its an undeniable fact that we have sought this war our for years and have spend billions to help fund and create the situation and anyone denying these well documented FACTS is just delusional.

Permanent Washington and the industrial war machine have wanted this all along.

One fly in your soup. Trump kept it from happening. Russia would still be considered a super power if Trump was still president. I guess that spoils narratives on both sides.

Just like that the deep state loyalists go silent in the thread. lol

(06-24-2023 02:08 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  U.S. Intel Officials Briefed Congressional Leaders on Wagner Insurrection ‘Earlier This Week’

Quote:Earlier this week, intelligence officials briefed congressional leaders known as the Gang of Eight regarding the movements and buildup of equipment by the Wagner group near Russia.

Both US and Western intelligence officials observed indications that Prigozhin was taking steps to prepare for such a move, including the accumulation of weapons and ammunition, as stated by a Western intelligence official and another individual familiar with the intelligence to CNN.

A source familiar with the intelligence emphasized that the developments unfolded rapidly, making it challenging to gauge the seriousness of Prigozhin’s threat to the Russian military and where his troops might be deployed.

“It all happened very quickly,” the official said, and it was “difficult to discern how serious Prigozhin was about threatening the Russian military and where he would take his troops,” according to the CNN report.

Nonetheless, it was all-hands-on-deck for U.S. and NATO leaders as of the Wagner rebellion starting on Friday night.

In the hours leading up to the Wagner retreat, U.S. officials held multiple interagency meetings on Friday night and Saturday morning to assess the potential impact, according to Politico’s sources. They tentatively agreed that the insurrection by the Wagner mercenary group would divert the Kremlin’s attention, presenting Ukraine with a crucial opportunity to reverse the tide of their faltering counteroffensive.

At that point, the Biden administration had not yet formulated a formal assessment, and officials cautioned that it was too early to draw definitive conclusions, the report claimed.

These officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the magnitude of the challenge posed to Vladimir Putin in over two decades, stated that they were monitoring the movements of Wagner forces as they advanced toward Moscow, passing through Rostov and heading northward.

President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris received briefings on Saturday from Cabinet-level officials, including Secretary of State Antony Blinken, national security adviser Jake Sullivan, and Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines, regarding the advances made by the Wagner Group before Prigozhin’s decision to stand down.

General Mark Milley, Chair of the Joint Chiefs, held a conversation with his Ukrainian counterpart, General Valery Zaluzhnyy, on Saturday. According to the conversation’s summary, Zaluzhnyy informed Milley about the offensive actions of their units and assured him that the operation was proceeding as planned.

Biden also discussed the situation in Russia with President Emmanuel Macron of France, Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany, and Prime Minister Rishi Sunak of the United Kingdom on Saturday.

Furthermore, Blinken had a conversation with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba. In a tweet on Saturday, Kuleba stated, “Ukraine remains focused on achieving the goals of its counteroffensive within its territory with the unwavering support of our American allies.”

Later on Saturday, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin planned to speak with Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov.

A U.S. official revealed that phone calls with European counterparts aimed to “reassure them” and emphasize the importance of maintaining a neutral stance. “No one should be celebrating prematurely,” the official added.

In these conversations, there was a general consensus between the United States and its European allies that Kyiv now had an unprecedented opportunity to advance while a significant mercenary force shifted its focus from holding Ukrainian positions to launching attacks inside Russia.

Biden’s departure for Camp David, where he would have access to resources to monitor the developing situation, was delayed until early Saturday afternoon.

Even if Putin were to quell the rebellion, it could strain the resources of the Russian military and likely eliminate the Wagner Group’s effectiveness on the front lines, where it had previously proven successful against Ukrainian forces.

“The cracks in the Putin regime are now unmistakably visible. The Kremlin will have to forcefully suppress the Prigozhin rebellion to protect its legitimacy,” warned Alina Polyakova, president and CEO of the Center for European Policy Analysis in Washington.

NATO spokesperson Oana Lungescu stated that the military alliance was closely monitoring the situation. However, an early complication arose when Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the president of Turkey and a NATO ally, pledged his “full support” to Putin during a phone call on Saturday.

Nevertheless, the open rebellion and the ease with which Wagner seized control of the military command center in Rostov, where the Kremlin directed its war on Ukraine, exposed the vulnerability of Russia’s military.

Officials cautioned that predicting events in the coming hours and days was challenging, as evidenced by the Lukashenko-brokered arrangement. Possibilities ranged from Putin swiftly suppressing the insurrection to his grip on power slipping, as the image of his total control over Russia was greatly diminished.

Russian state media reported President Vladimir Putin’s concessions to rebel mercenary leader Yevgeniy Prigozhin in order to halt his advance on Moscow and avoid unnecessary bloodshed.

“According to Russian State Media, Major Changes to the Leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense including changes to the current Defense Minister, Sergei Shoigu and Army Chief of General Staff, Valery Gerasimov have reportedly been Agreed upon in order to Stop the March of the Wagner PMC Group towards the Capital of Moscow; these Negotiations have also reportedly included the assured ‘Security of the Wagner Group’,” OSINT defender reported.

“These Negotiations are also reported to have included a ‘Stipulation’ that the Majority of Wagner PMC Forces will be Redeployed out of Russia and Ukraine to Africa,” he added.

Thus, it appears that the rebel Prigozhin would nonetheless accomplish the objectives of his Russian incursion, regardless of the retreat.

While current U.S. officials believe Putin will retain his leadership, there is quiet concern within the administration that the Russian leader may resort to catastrophic options if he were cornered into a desperate situation.

No one in the White House would mourn Putin’s absence, but there is no evidence to suggest that Prigozhin, or someone aligned with him, would be any less dangerous. Any form of turmoil or coup in a country possessing the world’s largest nuclear arsenal would be a cause for grave concern, officials warned.

“This kind of instability is dangerous, regardless of the outcome,” a U.S. official cautioned.

My guess is he won some concessions and some of his enemies at the top of the Russian military command structure will lose their positions---but lets be honest---How long do we think it will be before Prigozhin "accidentally" falls out of a window somewhere? I cant imagne Putin letting someone who marched on Moscow continue on in a position of power for very long.

(06-24-2023 02:32 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  I have become so apprehensive about our DC Double Standard Government these days I really don't know what to believe. I do know that we meddle in everyone's business around the world. We are the police of the world which is ludicrous when you think about how 3% of the world population is attempting to police the other 97%.

Nothing would surprise me in what truth might eventually come out in this Ukraine venture. As a longtime friend who subcontracted in the Pentagon for years always used to say FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL and you will understand what is taking place.

Its already all well documented by the European press and many others. You haven't heard or seen the evidence becuase of the total blackout by our press, even Fox and most of the right wing outlets have just ignored it.

I posted multiple deep dive breakdowns of it from foreign press that had no connections or loyalties to Putin and Russia in several threads over the last year. You likely missed most of them because they were buried in the middle of a 50 page thread/brawl on the war.

(06-24-2023 02:23 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 02:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 02:17 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Does Wagner broadcast over loud speakers The Ride of the Valkyries as he advances? If not, he's missing a great opportunity to make a classic statement!

Iswydt. Wonder who else gets it.

me paw took me and li'l bubba to our first R rated movie (seems strange today, Ja?!)

do I win a priz3? ...

(06-24-2023 02:34 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Just like that the the deep state loyalists go silent in the thread. lol

they rarely get paid OT ... one has to work for that 'extry' ...

(06-24-2023 02:34 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Just like that the the deep state loyalists go silent in the thread. lol

Of course, they are silent. They know how deep the dung is going to be if President Geriatric Chevy Chase actually has to become a wartime leader. And they don't dare urge his departure 'cause Kamala! Want a scary thought? Biden and the Nuclear football. That should even scare his corporate handlers. We are now on Gilligan's Island and the monkey has found a box of WWII grenades. What could possibly go wrong!

(06-24-2023 02:42 AM)indianashocker Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 06:05 PM)shere khan Wrote:  This will turn out to be propaganda tokyo rose bullshite.

Yall can tell me i was right later.

Dude you're always wrong. A clown show. No one here takes you seriously. You're a wannabe know it all who doesn't know dick. GTFOH

(06-24-2023 02:09 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Proghozin screwed up

"When you strike at a king, you must kill him"

It is also important if you strike at the leader of a mercenary army of 30,000 you’d better make sure you kill him. He may just march right up to your Dacha.

Ha! All you got was a bunch of false information being spread around; overhype by neocons and neoliberals on twitter and now it’s suddenly over and back to the regular schedule program with Putin probably becoming stronger

(06-24-2023 02:53 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Ha! All you got was a bunch of false information being spread around; overhype by neocons and neoliberals on twitter and now it’s suddenly over and back to the regular schedule program with Putin probably becoming stronger

Hmm? A coup de pe'ter!

(06-24-2023 02:53 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Ha! All you got was a bunch of false information being spread around; overhype by neocons and neoliberals on twitter and now it’s suddenly over and back to the regular schedule program with Putin probably becoming stronger

(06-24-2023 02:50 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 02:09 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Proghozin screwed up

"When you strike at a king, you must kill him"

It is also important if you strike at the leader of a mercenary army of 30,000 you’d better make sure you kill him. He may just march right up to your Dacha.

Yeah. Good luck with that. Reread the quote.

Bwahahahahaha


https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ct4oymtu7...FlZA%3D%3D

(06-24-2023 02:19 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 01:51 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Somebody just pissed in the punch of all the low T warmongers.

So sad. I warned you.



Go back to playing call of duty in moms basement

yes, 'oui' did ...

I simply love you droppin' the hammer comin' out of every corner at 7900 RPM ... it's been more than impressive in this thread ... broheim ... fk these g'dammed stupid fk'n pieces o' eight tards...

Well he did lay back when it looked dicey. Said at first it was all propaganda.
Look, we don’t know exactly what’s going on. We don’t know exactly what are our part in it is.
At the moment it seems there is a stall. We don’t really know why. Putin has played his cards on Prigozhin. No way he can allow him to live through this. So what’s going on in Prigozhin head. Is he waiting a brief moment to see if the air forces will stand down or attack him. They haven’t done it in any real manner yet. If the air forces don’t stop him he will probably make it to Moscow. At that moment Putin is finished. So it may all hang in the balance according to who the Air Force backs.

(06-24-2023 03:01 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 02:19 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 01:51 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Somebody just pissed in the punch of all the low T warmongers.

So sad. I warned you.



Go back to playing call of duty in moms basement

yes, 'oui' did ...

I simply love you droppin' the hammer comin' out of every corner at 7900 RPM ... it's been more than impressive in this thread ... broheim ... fk these g'dammed stupid fk'n pieces o' eight tards...

Well he did lay back when it looked dicey. Said at first it was all propaganda.
Look, we don’t know exactly what’s going on. We don’t know exactly what are our part in it is.
At the moment it seems there is a stall. We don’t really know why. Putin has played his cards on Prigozhin. No way he can allow him to live through this. So what’s going on in Prigozhin head. Is he waiting a brief moment to see if the air forces will stand down or attack him. They haven’t done it in any real manner yet. If the air forces don’t stop him he will probably make it to Moscow. At that moment Putin is finished. So it may all hang in the balance according to who the Air Force backs.

it was all done to get the attention off of "The Big Guy's Cut." You steal an election, lie about January 6th being a threat, and seize power and we have your back. You get in trouble we'll stage a 6 billion dollar spectacle to misdirect your press. But you pay for it! Hence, a "Coup De Pe'ter." Or for those who don't care to look up the French, a more declarative quote from Monty Python sums it up nicely, "I fart in your general direction!"

Seriously however, there is a lot of crap happening in the Land of Lenin. And I'm not referencing Illinois.

(06-24-2023 02:34 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Just like that the deep state loyalists go silent in the thread. lol

It is sad we are so incredibly divided. I do believe you were the one questioning why different points of views must be assigned to one extreme or the other just a page or so back.